An Edition For You (Ozzy) edition
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>>127118862 FAQ: https://www.google.com/search?q=rip+ozzy
So sad Pozzy died of AIDS
Posting the 19 minute long Wicked World jam to kick off this thread: https://youtu.be/cRCeK3Gk93s
I only listen to obscure 80s demo tapes.
>>127137957the few modern dm bands i listen to all try to sound as old school as possible so i cant form an opinion on that. if thats true i can see how this'd get boring very quickly
Few things:
- I really want to fuck Kelly or whatever the fuck her name is
- uhh that's it basically
>>127137887Yes, especially if you've heard their 1970 Paris show, or if you like the first 2 albums in general. Also this one with the full version of Warning that couldn't be included on the studio album, even though the quality is rougher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Lq2z9rKpE
Oz' will be with me forever bros ;_;
>>127138000>Dude here's a song with some endless soloWe hate solos here
>>127138063You are fucking gay.
>>127138050Death >>> CC > obituary>>> morbid shitgel
>>127138080FUCK SLAYER >:(
>>127138097first two albums are peak
I worship Satan because life sucks and I might as well embrace it. Metal for this feel?
>>127138050Death > Morbid Angel > Obituary > CC
Altars of Madness/Blessed are the Sick is the highest peak between them all though.
>>127138050cannibal corpse is the anthrax of death metal's big four
>>127138063>We hate solos hereCorrect.
>>127138123My opinion precisely. I wanted to rank Morbid Angel highest cause of those 2 albums but I have to admit Death had a better run
>>127138127you're the Fred Durst of these threads
>>127138113I agree but fuck slayer regardless
>rob halford is next
>tim owens replaces him again
>kk downing is back, they become a trio like iron maiden
kek
>>127136340https://voca.ro/19kxNrLc23HD
>>127138076OK even Discharge has solos in some of their songs on their first album but they are still gay as fuck, especially the long as fuck ones
Who the FUCK wants to hear that pretentious smug shit
>>127138055Why do I feel like I've seen this exact tat before? Who are you?
>>127138146>funny, handsome, talented, adored by allprecisely
>>127138172This is literally me
>>127138172A Rei minifigure owner with a flat brim wrote this post
>>127138152Rob is immortal, you take that back
>>127138152>>rob halford is nextSHUT UP
Primus' cover of NIB with Ozzy goes so hard.
https://youtu.be/U122lh0ODFU?si=0Gs2yJR4np0QRvdT
This version always plays on the local rock station.
You DO support local artists and read fanzines, donโt you?
Donโt tell me you just listen to โessential metalโ charts in your room?
Go to shows. Buy tapes. Buy zines. Support the underground.
https://youtu.be/_kKyAD9FAn8?si=3S6kU2YAIb666pgi
>>127138050Morbid Angel > Cannibal Corpse > Death > Obituary
>>127138050Death > Morbid Angel > Obituary > CC
>>127138270>local artistsWhat local artists?
>>127138277Where are you from?
>>127138050Death > Morbid Angel > Cannibal Corpse > Obituary
Ghost > Sleep Token > Trhรค > Knocked Loose
>>127138288Connecticut, in an area with not a lot of people and mostly nothing but small towns and forests nearby
>>127138302yeah you're kinda fucked there lmao
t. 8 years in CT, saw only 2 metal shows in the state my entire time there
>>127138302Did you go to this?
>>127138359>t. 8 years in CT, saw only 2 metal shows in the state my entire time thereThis state fucking sucks for just about everything. JP is playing Bridgeport in a couple months but both days I'm not available to go which really bummed me out. Might be able to catch Queensryche/Accept in November though...
>>127138384No and this looks like a bunch of BDM, so I wouldn't have gone anyway.
>>127137965 (OP)What's Devone's problem anyway?
>>127138401I mean, I just looked up Connecticut extreme metal and found several shows this year, and some local demos. You guys have a metal scene.
>>127138401Nevermind. It sounds like youโre into NWOBHM and power metal.
Local stuff is all death and black metal.
>>127137987https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Jsf41tyTk&si=Cl8kVO8kspJNCa81
>>127138445>Nevermind. It sounds like youโre into NWOBHM and power metal.Pretty much, although I do like thrash quite a bit too. My genre ranking goes something like
Trad>Power>Thrash>Doom>Stoner>>>>Death>Black
>>127138488Yeah itโs gonna be tough to find non-extreme metal bands anywhere. Not a lot of modern bands playing that style, outside of a few thrash revival bands and stoner metal.
>>127138234That ain't shit:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EEFNP2wz40
>>127138557Why's the mixing so weak on this one
>>127138050Morbid Angel > Obituary > Cannibal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Death
>>127138050Death>Obituary>don't care about the other two
>>1271380501. Obituary
2. Death
the others suck farts
>>127138047>dudes with long hair wearing black and looking down at the camerathe most based metal band photo that hasn't changed in over 50 years
Ozzy just got reincarnated as Trisha Paytas' baby.
>>127138661Speaking of things that haven't changed...
Great metal discussion today.
>>127138703This but unironically.
>>12713870390% of it has been about Black Sabbath/Ozzy Osbourne, ie NOT METAL.
>>127138721>90% of it has been about Black Sabbath/Ozzy Osbourne, ie METAL.Hell yeah
>>127138692I hate this pretentious faggot. And Lester Bangs too.
>>127138752A true rarity. Priceless.
>>12713872191% coming through
MรTORHEAD
REMEMBER ME NOW
MรTORHEAD
ALRIGHT
Did ozzie kermit sewerslide
>>127138752imagine the smell
zoomer metal sucks but it's better than liking rap ig
>>127138797He unironically died of AIDS.
>>127138847Hated by the Fagtanos of their generation. Music critics can't play an instrument and can only blog about it. Hate those faggots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID7pLwg2-JY
>he's one of us
Incredibly based.
>>127138835true it's easy to shit on zoomer metalfags but then you remember most zoomers listen to shit like bladee
>>127138797obviously, he spoke about it the past and the timing after his last show is too convenient
Vol. 4 is a little weak compared to albums before and after it
>>127138884Agreed, millennials like myself listen to real music like Sematary and Joeyy
>>127138050Death and Morbid Angel have 1 good song each, while Cannibal Corpse and Obituary have 0
So Death = Morbid Angel > Cannibal Corpse = Obituary
Sharon killed Ozzy under the guise of a "last show", she just couldn't put up with his shit anymore. RIP
true or false: in the 80s Ozzy was considered total trash degen music only listened to by stupid kids and was considered a symptom of severe brain damage and societal decay in the way that someone like Tekashi 69 was considered recently.
>>127138957If you're not team XqC you can go back to /reddit/
*flaps my hair wings and flies away*
later metal bros
>>127138974Closer to Fred Durst, who might get the media suck-off one of these days when he kicks the bucket.
>>127139007Durst ain't gonna be dead for another 30 years unless that's a threat brah brah
>>127138974travis scott of his time
>>127138951Murder is just your typical metal behavior
>>127138907Ruined by FX and Changes.
;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yYJ6ZAYns&list=RD-9yYJ6ZAYns&start_radio=1&ab_channel=OzzyOsbourne
>>127138908i don't know who that is but all pseudo wigger emo rap americanized zogslop should be avoided
>>127138063Your life is an endless solo LMAO
>>127139083Didn't understand the buzzword salad but yeah this is real music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx__JMleHm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be_nxEO0qZA
>>127139033I just threw this out there as a troll response to see what would happen and none of you even called me a retard
very telling
>>127137987https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skC1UB_bXr0
>>127139146Who the fuck is Travis Scott even
>>127139184He had a McDonald's meal a few years back
>>127139135i didn't open your links because it looks like white kids pretending to be black and also your simp image and none of these things have anything to do with metal besides. seems like you're in the wrong thread
>>127138907Vol 4 had some of the best Sabbath guitar solos but it is like you said pretty weak
>>127139184>>127139199first time i ever heard of travis scott was at the mcdonalds drive thru. second time was when some people died at his concert.
>>127139240i do the same with my cat
>>127139220Yeah you sound low IQ no worries
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=VZQoMgF4ifY
>>127139256you're the one posting nigger music in the metal general? are you lost?
He's the type of guy to post simp images
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-6DhvwUeS8
>start playing guitar
>stopped liking metal
why?
I've just fuckin found out the dark prince of hell and cocaine Ozzy died
fffffffffuck man
what were his health problems? or was it old age?
I'm imaginary sendoff concert ie like the one for Freddy Mercury and Metallica come on playing iron man which would make me ascend
>tfw IMG
>>127139338you became aucoustic?
>>127139290Not a simp but women do simp for me, correct
>>127138050Morbid Angel > CC > Death > Obituary
How did Ozzy even manage to fall off a cliff anyways I thought he was bedridden?
>>127138911I'm curious what those Death and Morbid Angel songs are
MAQUAHUITL - FORWARD WITH HATE
https://youtu.be/jUlsKnV0UcA
>>127139619I don't like this wave of Mexican BM.
https://youtu.be/P8gzYKf8qWc?si=m2Np8TDo9Gf5GRK5
Now is as good a time as any to admit Black Rain was a decent album.
>>127139280well not anymore but because he finally learned
Daily reminder that metal is inherently National Socialist.
Metalcore, perfected.
https://youtu.be/Z2-Ifw2zHfA?si=s4HJIo2j3qnEpHm8
https://youtu.be/BzOA0suU8aE?si=kiz0sHpVB3gK6Mss
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>LOST IN THE WHEELS OF CONFUSION
>RUNNING THROUGH VALLEYS OF TEARS
>EYES FULL OF ANGERED DELUSION
>HIDING IN EVERYDAY FEARS
>>127139765I think you meant to post Knocked Loose.
>>127139765Age of Apocalypse guy does the Link hookshot grab from super smash bros on a guy with the mic cord at 3:52. Never noticed it before but it's very funny.
https://youtu.be/Z2-Ifw2zHfA?si=fjUBsWu1BaxU7vSb
Quite a few posts today that would definitely belong on /reddit/, wonder why that is
>>127139783I prefer mathcore for those low down no good feelings.
https://youtu.be/nsMH7KkNVlc?si=qYU6f8ay0MKx80x2
>>127139900Thank you Timantha
I like when the lyrics are obviously completely mentally ill and eccentric.
https://genius.com/Love-lost-but-not-forgotten-save-me-from-the-outside-world-lyrics
>>127139240>downie cat>shitbullEvil motherfucker.
>>127140008Eternal Hails for Paul Di'Anno!
>>127140027I think Powerslave and SiT are better but it's still a really fucking good album
Symphonic metal is better when the drummer writes it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T68DTL8QQWo
fuck
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I don't think I'm going to recover from this one bros. it hit like freight train and I wasn't prepared. going to need to keep blastan more ozzy sabbath just to be safe.
The modal mixture. The medieval trumpet harmonies.The continuity of big drumming energy. Drumming thought for once driving the forces of "symphony".
>>127138050As someone who literally does not listen to any of these bands, nor can I even recall what they sound like:
Death > Cannibal Corpse > Obituary > Morbid Angel
>>127138050Morbid Angel > Obituary > Death > CC
>>127140125Morbid Angel should be third imo. Obituary's vocals are memes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD_D4DJoRS8
>>127140080Do I need to give it multiple listens so I can tell what's going
People not putting Morbid Angel first just proves how shit the taste of this general is.
>>127140153Most of the lyrics are just shit the vocalist ripped from his fantasy stories and are not even said in the songs. You will never understand what is going on.
>>127140080This sucks. Like, really hard.
>>127140167Chuck Schuldiner's solos rule. The Sound of Perseverance's solo sections are fucking insane.
https://voca.ro/14Ay4QoExIM1
swsh
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>>127140183Chuck Schuldiner? Isn't that the guy who died from AIDS?
>>127138047there has never been a cooler looking and sounding band in existence
Death hit a higher extreme of emotion than any of these bands on SoP. Ignore the bitchy vocals if they're not your thing. This album was supposed to have power metal vocals but the label were being retarded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LN_Yeob_9Q
>>127140213>This album was supposed to have power metal vocalsTells you all you need to know.
>>127138050early Death > later Cannibal Corpse
early Cannibal Corpse > later Death
basically, they both peaked early on
Death after Leprosy became so shit its unbelievable. "Progressive" bullshit has no place in Metal.
>>127138847>nobody but the vast majority of people like Black Sabbathkek, what a retarded line
>>127138907i wish people would wake up and realise song for song how lame the debut actually is. Vol 4 is solid
>>127139640That song is 10 years old at least
Well, /metal/? Did they?
https://youtu.be/H0SglyK_SYo?si=bHrh8NV7SUGa8CTr
>>127139655>album with decent album cover is decenti believe you. album art is usually a pretty accurate indicator of music quality
>>127140276Title track, The Wizard, and N.I.B are fucking awesome wdym
>>127140229Control Denied was what Sound of Perseverance was supposed to sound like.
https://youtu.be/-kynte2_52U?si=7KXBPsvLvD46-K03
>>127140253there was nothing progressive about Spiritual Healing and it was basically Leprosy pt. 2. also has some of the most Sabbathy riffs, it's awesome.
>>127140299that's my point, those are literally the only good songs and thank you for proving that. and honestly, they became music better songwriters from Paranoid onwards
>>127140324>literallylol warning's a great jam but i somewhat agree with the other ones
The vocals on the fragile art of existence could be better but it's still cool from an obsessive retard perspective to hear how melodic vocal lines can flow over what is basically still the style of the last two death albums.
>>127140305Control Denied sucks.
Why are people so adamantly against anything progressive? You can start out easy with some Rush or Mastodon or something. This shit isn't too intellectual for your pothead uncle.
https://youtu.be/VIm-UJ4GhdU?si=RohhuD9GW1Tk9-iq
>>127140426Metal is inherently anti-intellectual.
https://voca.ro/1bTWqPh3DWnU
>>127140438You're inherently anti-intellectual, you fucking guy
>>127140438And that's a good thing.
>>127140492I have beer and I have RIFFS. What the fuck do I need books and progressive wankery for?
>>127140499Of course!
>>127140389Never bothered listening to Control Denied tb h, despite being a huge Death fan.
My favourite solo Ozzy song? No More Tears of course.
>>127140438It isn't inherently intellectual to do cool shit with a composition or try to get athletic and intricate or whatever. Skateboarding isn't seen as intellectual. Technicality is a bit of spectacular trickery. It doesn't have to be all delicate though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdwxk7LAKzc
Xeroxed black and white cover art almost always equals good
https://youtu.be/UrI1JDmpZuA?
Most unique black metal album/demo ever. The riffs are just fantastic and sound like no other band. I donโt know what genre theyโre taking influence from but it works
>>127140438Tell that to 15-y/o me lmao. I was adamant at that age that pop was unequivocally shit and that it was metal that was the really talented music. Oh how naรฏve I was.
>>127140438Metal has been overrun by corekids for over 15 years now so anything more complicated than some dime-a-dozen open string break down causes them to freak out and start coping.
>>127140581>They've been talking about Ozzy for how long?!>Start an NSBM flamewar
>>127140530If you've heard the demos of The Sound of Perseverance with melodic vocals and computer drums, you're ready.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBXIDzQIAF4
>>127140612I should have by now cause I fucking own the deluxe reissue on Bandcamp, but alas I haven't. You've piqued my interested thobeit.
>>127140542I like Miracle Man
>>127140608NSBM reigns supreme doe
>>127140602The modern corefag loves aimless techshit (wrapped around a metalcore/rock/pop kernel) actually
>>127140628But that's based, you fucking guy.
>>127140354it's a cover song. So is Evil Women.
>>127140628I love aimless techshit wrapped around aimless techshit. I love the ideal of no exact repetition that bands like cause for effect approach or achieve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmS4ptdk4lU
>>127140554This is a great tape.
>>127140650Even when stripped down to nothing but a bass, drums, and gutterals, caveman riffs mog techshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubzH-o8Vgn0
>>127140641And it's a really fun cover song :p
>not a fan of thrash, dm, bdm or bm
What the fuck are you doing here then you stupid fuck?
>>127137987I am enjoying some Branikald.
Proggy shit can be heavier than dumb shit cause prog shit is more potentially annoying to listen to, but in a good way. I'll admit the autistic freaking by the actress really sells that "breakdown" though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl4Q25Ks6Qs
>>127140680>prog>writes the most uninspired and unoriginal song they could (they heard Dillinger Escape Plan and Carbomb for the first time a month ago)
>>127140694absolutely skull crushing riffage
>>127140714Didn't give you permission to speak.
>>127140694Chill Out is cool so I will allow this not metal po-
>>127140721Nevermind you're being a fag
Psyopus makes me literally cringe because it is so "alarms and sirens 24/7". It's maybe a deeper form of heaviness than mere mortals can vibe with.
>>127140731Thank you for the worthless cliquespam
>>127140744Thank you for the very coherent post
John Michael "Ozzy" Osbourne
>>127140770Go back to sleep, the ETERNAL sleep
Maybe I find mathcore so heavy because I have dyscalculia. Idk. I think it is so heavy.
>>127140790Yes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wai9kq9kww&pp=ygUPZHJhZ29uYXV0IHNsZWVw
Maybe I like heavier and slower metal because I'm severely overweight idk
>>127140858I like stoner metal because I can get lost in a trance to it
Post Polish Black Metal.
Please.
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>>127140888Unironically a great album, up there with Earth 2 and the best of Sunn O)))'s discography.
Is this the GOAT thrash album?
>>127140734>>127141118What did he mean by this?
>>127141133I deleted the former post because the filename was "Demolition Hammer Epidemic of Violence HD cover" and I suddenly realized it was actually not HD quality lol. I felt like an idiot so I deleted it and went hunting for a better quality scan.
>>127141187Many such cases unfortunately.
>>127140628I'm aware, but lets not pretend playing basic 16th note scales at 4/4 150 bpm is something that requires a brain. Sure, it's requires practice, in the same way that mindlessly blast beating through every song does, but it doesn't require the player (or listener for that matter) to actually think, hence the coping part. But none of this changes the fact that every time some corekid talks about a new band or song, it's always about the break down.
Why exactly is Kerry King so hated? I've already seen several people today saying stuff like "It should've been Kerry King" in the comments section of a few Ozzy articles
>>127141310He's the Lars Ulrich of Slayer.
Okay enough about Ozzy.
What if Megadeth did the soundtrack for the next Purge film? I would totally pay for a vinyl of that.
In order to successfully imitate Sabbath, any doom band has to groove and occasionally implement hook riffs. Both are necessary and it's not up for discussion.
We've been having some really quality threads the past week or so.
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I HIDE I HIDE I HIDE I HIDE I HIDE I HIDE I HIDE
Im listening back to the beggining and Ozzy sounds frail but it actualy adds up because his voice had always this tormented quality to it.
they just took out the sticky, i hate this board, if it was some boring korean whore or somebody like Michel Gira it would last a week
>>127141591Kenny Rogers the janners just forgot about and it stayed up for like 8 days. I FUCKING HATE Kenny Rogers by the way.
>>127141563Discovering the meanings behind Geezer's lyrics is the real gem for me, after already loving BS musically. He was writing lyrics that a working class lad from Birmingham shouldn't have been knowledgeable enough to write, and yet he was. Geezer's lyrics are perhaps the most influential part of Sabbath, freeing writers from writing about the usual 3 or 4 cliched subjects like love, heartbreak, romance, typical shit.
>albums get remastered
>Ozzy dies the next year
Martinchads....we won.
Just another Martin Monday
>>127137987https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGclueDSWD4&list=RDDGclueDSWD4&start_radio=1
Ironman is actually the greatest RIFF of all time.
>>127141630>Tony playing a right handed SGKNEW IT what a faker. I bet his fingers weren't really sliced off on a factory accident too. What a bunch of clowns those guys were.
>>127138875I hate this faggot
>>127141726Ratthew doesn't care, he's just spamming.
>>127141720No, that would be Supernaut.
>>127141720>*Into the Void is actually the greatest RIFF of all time.
>>127141609To be honest i think metal will always stay here (probably not relevant but it will always be made) because its a very meritocratic genre, look for example at Sabbath, the first 6 albums are WORSHIPPED, same as Metallica, Maiden, Judas, Morbid Angel, Bathory, Venom, theres an innerent quality that resounds with a lot of people, im just so fucking sad man.
>>127141780Correct.
C# versus E standard no brainer
>>127141797Thank you bonehead sister.
Is he gen z's version of Ozzy Osburn?
Is he gen z's version of Ozzy Osburn?
>>127141780>>*Into the Void is actually the greatest RIFF of all time.100% this. I played it in C# on my spare Les paul last week and it sounded amazing out of my Marshall
>>127141930MGK didn't invent shit, unless getting cucked by Megan Fox counts as inventing something, in some loose sense of the term.
>>127141941why even reply to such a shit post
>>127141941Would you agree that he's the most important heavy metal guy out today? Me and my friends were having this debate, and I said mgk is the biggest metal guy now, but my friends said Ye.
>>127141952Banger. It's Alright and R&R Doctor are certifiable classics.
>>127141968Thanks! I'm going to tell my friends the metal guys say I'm right this is so sweet
why does metal music attract losers so much?
I remember I got into slayer and megadeth around 1986, went to concerts and looked around and realized it was all losers, ugly, weirdo, outcasts. what is it about the music?
I left the scene to go where the hot girls were at.
Rushing to 310 while you can still keep your eyes open, I see.
>>127142018Sounds like you had no game grandpa. Metal girls are the hottest, and most of them even have a penis.
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>>127142045deceivingly untrue
Working for Ozzy paid so little that zakk has been homeless for 30 years. That's how badly he wanted to play for daboss. The skull cap and long beard is so he stays warm sleeping outside in the cold, in the alley in back of the hotel Ozzy stays in.
https://youtu.be/nqgUG_JVzCs?si=8_XOrIKa5ngM5Frp
>>127138114linkin park you fucking fairy
smh
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>>127142018>outcastsThat is normal for all underground scenes/acts. Once they hit mainstream you will see more women enter the formerly sausage parties.
>I left the scene to go where the hot girls were at.Go to the most vain (pop) music imaginable if you just want to get laid. Music that makes you want to shoot your brains out basically.
>>127142142Coombait is not welcome here (unless it's kpop whores, that's ok because they're butt fuckin ugly).
>>127142170BA ba ba ba ba bad
>>127142142There's just smth about Germanic/Nordic goils.
Any crunk niggas up?! https://youtu.be/Ny6lX2ubVQo
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>>127142148How does Linkin Park worship Satan? Satan Hates Hiphop
Is slam truly the thinking mans metal?
>>127142258No, quite the opposite, but that's what makes it based.
>>127142258>slam>the thinking mans metalWhat does he think about? Fucking corpses and being stinking fat?
>>127138063>We hate solos here>WeImagine being a cog of the hive mind.
>>127138050Morbid Angel > Death > Obituary > Cannibal Corpse
master of reality is my favourite album of all time but I do really like vol 4 as well
AND I SAY
GOODBYE TO ROMANCE
YEAH
GOODBYE TO FRIENDS
>>127138907Wheels of confusion is one of their best songs. Having a hard time choosing between masters of reality and sabatoge for my favorite
>>127141619>that a working class lad from Birmingham shouldn't have been knowledgeable enough to writeHow do you reckon? What class do you consider yourself?
>>127141619>working class people can't be knowledgeable
>>127138895based and kill all s*rbs pilled
Ozzy's farewell concert was literally the series finale of metal
ozzy really wasnt that great
>>127141591I'm sick to death of fake bullshit straight outta Caleb's bedroom being presented as perfection personally. I want to hear metal presented as sabbath presented it: basically a representation of a live performance and the abilities they had to execute it if everything goes well. I'm not emotionally invested in the idea that a guy can play triggered double bass at 260 BPM while having no groove and not being able to play it in a way that sounds good on an actual drum. The master of reality is gone. There is a vacancy open. I think I will apply for the job. I am as metal as they come. I will be the new singer of black sabbath and my vocal style will be a mix of Lord Worm and King Diamond.
>>127141619That was why I loved sabbath as a kid. Everything on the radio was about normie bullshit. I needed to ascend.