>rock is an actual degradation of skill of music from jazz which is a degradation of skill from classical. the amount of talent and work – mostly work – you have to put in into mastering a classical instrument is a lot higher than the amount of talent and work you have to put into playing three chords in a rock song.

He's not wrong but it doesn't translate to automatically being better art or even just music

I don't think he said that.

>>127149022 (OP)
It's a trip, it's got a funky beat, and I can bug out to it!

genius insight that must pass for unprecedent wisdom to rightoids

>>127149064
I love classical, but it's not even meant for the same thing. You can't dance or bang your head and kick out the motherfucking jams.

Don't worry, metal fixed it and became better than classical.

>>127149134
That's hardly true either. Metal hasn't been good since it's earliest days.

>>127149022 (OP)
>the amount of talent and work – mostly work
Spoken like a true marxist.
It's irrelevant how hard someone worked on a piece of art, all that matters is if it's any good. You working for 50 years on an unlistenable piece of crap doesn't make it somehow good.

>>127149080
He did

>>127149022 (OP)
I dunno man some prog rock and metal is pretty fucking hard

>>127149022 (OP)
how is it possible for him to have an even less appealing face then alan dershwitz
why does maga insists on using the most ugly and unappealing people as their demagogues

>>127149022 (OP)

>>127149247
>why does maga insists on using the most ugly and unappealing people as their demagogues
I doubt he even said this.
But no one cares about presentation exactly on the right. Just economics and political philosophy. Focusing on looks has always been more of a liberal thing. They've always tried to be more marketable. At least since Kennedy. Or maybe FDR. He was literally a cripple, but they hid that the whole time.
They probably should care more though.

>>127149285
>I doubt he even said this.
He said it in this video https://youtu.be/IGb6TQY7HL8?si=176WGv2dj5nJ0hNw

>>127149285
Here's the funny thing. Hiphop is more capitalistic than even GOP geezers would ever dream of. It's all about hustle and the individual rising up and obsessed with luxury (Gucci gang) and killing anyone who gets in your way.
And yet there's like schizoprenic messaging in hiphop. They almost all support Democrats, despite it representing nothing that they stand for. All because of marketing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jLAJk1Hj4Y

>>127149311
Is this about rap or rock? I've heard him talk shit about rap before, but I don't want to watch 7 mins to find the rock bit.

>>127149319
It's at 3:35

>>127149022 (OP)
nigga you are JEWISH! YOU are the reason behind the degradation of western art

>>127149326
Ah, OK. He's showing himself to be a bore for this, like I said earlier. Rock was for kids and dancehalls and for having fun. Not listening alone like some loser and act intellectual about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wOZbMjzJsQ

>>127149311
>errm i got the musical case against rap and then the cultural case
holy fuck he's the embodiment of pathetic loser dweeb energy
i discard the opinion of people i feel like i could kill with my bear hands so he can be ignored

>>127149311
Ben Shapiro is a rapper now thoughbeit
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kGpohEpuTE

>>127149022 (OP)
lots of jazz musicians are classically trained

>>127149314
ever consider that hiphop might be the fakest genre of music?

>>127149022 (OP)
there's no direct line from rock to jazz to classical.
that is a mental construct based not on music, but on perceived popularity.

silly cherry-picking statement about mastery, too.
let me try: the work you have to put into playing Steely Dan's Deacon Blues on guitar is a lot greater than the work you have to put into John Cage's 4'33"

>>127149342
>was

>>127149022 (OP)
hate this kike

>>127149022 (OP)
the buzzfeed of politics, yawn

>>127149022 (OP)
>classical
blasphemy to god. Anything not gregorian chant with candles and robes is auditory heathen.

>>127149022 (OP)
lol
lmao even

>>127149247
>why does maga insists on using the most ugly and unappealing people as their demagogues
He's controlled opposition.

>>127149314
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

>>127149022 (OP)
he's not wrong if you only play three chords but how many guitarists stop there?

>>127149022 (OP)
Him, Walsh, and the rest of the Daily Wire are a psyop to turn anyone with any conservative leanings into boring sods for the left to easily ridicule.
>Oh you're right wing? That means you must be a dense, serious automaton about every thing, not fun allowed. You can only be irreverent when mocking the most insane leftists like trannies, otherwise you must be a boring faggot with no personality because facts don't care about your feelings (feelings only count when it's about Israel)

>>127151443
>comments all have 20x more updoots than on his other videos
totally organic

>>127149152
Source

>>127149022 (OP)
Huh? Are you stupid are something?

>>127149147
So what do you have against AI art?

>>127149064
Yes, it does. Because classical music requires mastery of composition and aesthetics, not just instruments. It's all connected.
>>127149128
Yes, you can. You literally have classical DANCE forms, you fucking dilettante. Besides, some 20th century classical is heavy as shit, and you can headbang to it.
>>127149147
You're right. Good thing (the best) classical music is extremely listenable and interesting.
>>127150667
Were. Not they're trained in jazz because jazz is its own academic thing.
>>127151111
Nobody is talking about or listening to Cage, you cretin.
>>127151344
Gregorian chants are classical music.

>>127154870
>Because classical music requires mastery of composition and aesthetics, not just instruments
So does metal

>>127154870
>You literally have classical DANCE forms, you fucking dilettante
Rooms filled with wannabe aristocrats in gowns and tuxes aren't what that anon was referring to you fucking niggerfaggot. Have you ever been to a metal concert?

>>127154894
I listen to metal and no, it doesn't. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>127154911
You have no idea what the idiot meant, you fucking retarded faggot. He was clearly making a universal statement about classical music not being danceable, which is demonstrably false.

>>127149022 (OP)
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>>127149064
It does. Art music is better by every measurable aspect. It objectively stimulates the most pleasure.
>>127149147
Classical composers however, are great.
>>127150667
Jazz is still pop
>>127151111
All popular music, even the most underground garbage you listen to, has the same roots in lowbrow pop music.
>>127153543
He got it right.
>>127154870
Correct.
>>127154894
LOL. No dude. Beethoven's pupil could write better metal songs if he wanted to. Which metal "composer" understand the language of music? How the voices should move and how harmony functions? All they do is parallel fifths and sloppy lead on top, metal is more pop than actual pop music.

>>127156095
You still don't get that because something is more complex or someone has more knowledge about something doesn't make it better. Consommé might be way harder to prepare than steak with fries and you have to be a skilled chef to make it right but I'd sill take the steak with fries.

>>127156138
Your missing the point. It's not just about complexity or difficulty for their own sake. It's about mastering multiple dimensions. Classical music demands a holistic mastery, so it's not just about playing an instrument well, but also mastering form, harmony, counterpoint, orchestration, aesthetic coherence, etc.

Also, your food analogy doesn't hold. You're conflating subjective preference ("I like fries") with artistic value, which CAN be assessed to a fairly high degree through objective criteria.

>>127156138
>>127156237
I'd also point out that just because you've mastered all these things to a high degree, that doesn't mean the music will necessarily SOUND complex as a listening experience. Mozart is incredibly detailed and intricate, but often sounds simple and balanced on the surface. That's the beauty of this kind of music. It's not always "difficult" in how it comes across, but it still takes a genius (or an extremely hard worker) to create.

>>127156138
Classical music that's not complex is still more enjoyable (not on a personal, but objective basis) than pop music. Having immense experience and being a genius is extremely valuable in any field of study, science, tech, medicine or whatever, why do you think music is exempt from this rule?

>>127156237
>>127156270
"Objective" my ass. It's your subjective opinion. How tf do you measure which music composition is objectively better?

>>127151443
These are clearly leftists being boosted by discards, where do you think you are? We know your tactics.

>>127156463
>discards
*discords

>>127149285
Which philosophers in general?

>>127156345
It isn't.
>How tf do you measure
Form, voice leading, harmony etc.
Of course, at the top of the ladder, there come subjective preferences, like between late Beerhoven sonatas, or Mozart piano concertos, or preference between genres such as string quartet, piano concerto etc.
But everyone can at least appreciate bits of everything, because classical enjoyers value objective quality as much as subjective preferences (which really become one, the more you listen).

>>127153443
>>127156463
>totally organic
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-putin/

>>127149022 (OP)
If you have to put time into it and it doesn't come natural you are a hack fraud pseud anyway, regardless of genre or style. Classical music is the ultimate midwit pastime btw, sitting in a church listening to Bach trying to make it look as though his ugly protestant soulless music means anything, lmao. It's not that people with a functioning brain (as in me) don't understand or it, we just disregard it for the elaborate nonsense it is.

I don’t know if I can listen to Ben anymore he’s so darn Jewish. I think he might have got even more Jewish

>>127157112
>PUTLEERRRRR
Fuck off

>>127157159
Most plebian shit I've ever heard, if you are going to diss some of the most emotive and well-constructed works of art ever, at least don't pretend to have a functioning brain. The worst part is that you probably say all of this and then will esteem some shitty acts like Van Halen to be pillars of rock music in your moronic pursuit of "non-chalant" pop muzak. Kill yourself

Triggered midwit

>>127154870
You probably believe in the Labour Theory of Value

>>127158110
>if you are going to diss some of the most emotive and well-constructed works of art ever
lmao as I said enjoy your midwitslop

>>127157159
>It's not that people with a functioning brain (as in me) don't understand or it,
You don't. You don't understand how a fugue works, you can't hum a single fugal subject, you're retarded.

>>127149022 (OP)
metal requires more skill than classical

>>127159146
1/10 bait made me reply.

>>127159163
not baiting tho it took mustaine a couple hours to learn some classical pieces while the orchestra would take years to learn mustaine's songs look it up on youtube

>>127159221
>years to learn megadeth songs

lol, lmao

>>127149022 (OP)
This guy doesn’t even have intercourse

>>127158110
>and then will esteem some shitty acts like Van Halen to be pillars of rock music
EVH listened to classical as much as he did rock, and that's on top of being the most influential guitarist of the 80s.

Cope and seethe at being a nerd that's intellectualized music so much you forgot how to enjoy it.

>>127159221
First off, no one would learn a Megdeth song because of how trivial and shitty it is. Second, no, Mustaine could never in his life play a 4 voice fugue, or anything that demands careful voicing.

>>127159307
The irony here, is that classical enjoyers truly enjoy the music more than pop sloppers. Not that a POP slopper would know heh.

>>127159221
Based

>>127159387
>is that classical enjoyers truly enjoy the music
Your virginal sperging about what is and isn't well made music says otherwise.
>pop sloppers
Sorry, I don't post in kpop threads

>>127159387
How does your enjoyment of music look like? Do you get orgasm while listening?

>>127159429
>Your virginal sperging
Blah blah keep your boring buzzwords to yourself, girl.
>kpop threads
Rock is pop.
>>127159451
Fuck yeah. I literally get an orgasm listening to this sonata, especially the last movement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBUNHCigc1s&list=OLAK5uy_mHAMWgaTjn2xJTqzRos14q2wyB1jd3sLA&index=1
So do you. The version of yourself that's patient.

>>127159876
And classical is boring, in the time it takes you to wait to cum to that last movement, rockers will have gone through a dozen vaginas.

>>127159939
Even the first movement alone mogs all popular music (a.k.a. non-classical and non-folk) though. Has more energy and more music than entirety of pop.

>>127160003
>and non-folk
Why are you bringing even this here

>>127159876
>, especially the last movement:
>posts the first movement

>>127149022 (OP)
Ben Shapiro couldn't hack it as a classical, jazz, or even a rock musician.
Rap is not even music according to him, and it's the only genre where he was even able to find fake success.

>>127160020
It's important to see the distinction between Art music, Popular music and Folk music. Pretty much all the garbo you listen to probably falls in the category of 'Popular music', not the other two.
>>127160023
Click the playlist, dummy. And listen to the entire sonata, it won't kill you;

>>127160137
And folk music is where in your music hierarchy?

>>127160126
Ben is more succesful than anyone in this thread or on this board

>>127160150
He was handed everything with his name on it.

>>127160145
It isn't exactly a hierarchy, just a correct classification.

>>127160150
>(((Ben)))
He was born unsuccessful. Even though he's right this time, as I already said.

Ben Shapiro with all of his musical training couldn't make this if his life depended on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upzqpdqNDg0

Unfortunately so much classical music is rigid and formulaic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kGpohEpuTE

>>127160314
he was born with gold-covered foreskins in his mouth, dont be fooled

>>127160443
The vast majority of classical music ever made was formulaic garbage. Many composers who are praised today died unknown to the public (Haydn, Schubert, Alkan, Bach, etc.), meanwhile there are tons of composers who were famous in their time whose music aged poorly (Meyerbeer, Hummel, Praetorius). The same is true for rock music, the only difference being that all the garbage hit rock songs are too recent to have been forgotten yet.

>>127158724
I know what it is, could hum it, but I simply don't give a fugue

>>127149022 (OP)
Gay nerd

>>127160996
Lol nice pun, but no you don't. Faggot.

the "problem" is music, along with eating, are the two great "artforms" that everyone literally has to do. unless you're deaf or you don't have a stomach, you have to hear stuff and eat stuff. therefore everyone has an opinion on music, and food. not everyone has an opinion on painting, reading or sculpture. that's why you rarely get retarded takes on those artforms, whereas hot takes like "rap is good, rock is better than classical" and "burgers are good" is going to be the mainstream opinion; doesn't mean it means anything, doesn't mean we should take it seriously

>>127156095
laufey isnt jazz tiktk addicted zoom zoom

>>127160299
Art Music and Traditional Music have no overlap?

>>127149022 (OP)
You talk like a fag and your shits all retarded

>>127157159
They play guitars in churches, not Bach