Thread 127168204

why grunge boys hated glam so much?

was it jealousy and insecurity?

>>127168204 (OP)
Pretty much, they couldn't identify with it.

Roth was based, but only because of his focus on health and fitness.

I doubt they thought much about glam at all. It was rejected by society because the mood changed. Snorting coke and hairspray wasn't the move in 1991. The music just resonated with people and the demand for what came before it plummeted. This was unexpected by the industry but they raced to chase this trend with reckless abandon once they figured out what was happening.

It was oversaturated

>>127168204 (OP)
It's starting to happen again, yet you (clearly) won't realize it until it's too late: people are currently seeking out refuge from the sloppy pop-culture excesses of the 2010s, the same way they did in the 90s in relation to the sloppy pop-culture excesses of the 80s.

>>127168204 (OP)
I think you'd have to have been there and heard your 25th power ballad on high rotation

>>127168204 (OP)
Because it's literally fake and gay poser music?
The music came secondary to the posing and posturing, like women do - it's narcissistic slop that is only still liked by people who were teenagers at the time it was popular
Literally bubblegum pop for the 80s

>>127169043
We love it for the exceptions.
https://youtu.be/8dx-PrDQej8?si=-JbbEoIT8NDnKjtj

>>127169043
>Because it's literally fake and gay poser music
you think ozzy really worshipped the devil?

>>127170751
Ozzy's "music" is boring teenage edgelord trash too, so what?
Same with KISS and any of that cartoon rock that came out between late 60s and late 80s
You nostalgic faggots love to overlook the slop curated to suck your wallet dry as teenagers but will eagerly criticize slop made for the other demographics, absolute retards kek

>>127169043
Breath in for four seconds, hold for seven, exhale for eight.

>>127171933
no

>>127168204 (OP)
today, it just sounds and looks gaudy and jewish. i guess the alt crew of yesterday had the read too.

>>127168204 (OP)
By that point it had become too paint by numbers to be cool anymore

>>127169043
Every single glam metal musician was ten times as skilled as the best grunge musicians.

>>127172787
>skilled
Who said anything about skill?
People respond more longterm to authenticity, feeling and overall emotional journey of a song
The glam faggots sold candy, simple as, eventually you're gonna want something real

>>127172787
Are you really going to tell me that Poison is more talented than Soundgarden? Give me a fucking break.

>>127168204 (OP)
>was it jealousy and insecurity?

Yeah.

Source: Old guy. I was in unsigned "alternative rock" bands in the 90s. The whole genre/"scene" was awkward white trash losers who couldn't get laid and had a huge chip on their shoulders. I retired from music because I couldn't stand to be around these fags.

>>127172897
>>127172869
>>127169043
Grunge was manufactured by the record labels.

You're gullible white trash.

>>127173106
No you "retired" because you couldn't get signed, quit bullshitting bro
You'd be singing a different tune if you were lucky/talented enough to have been in a Soundgarden, Nirvana, Alice in Chain or STP etc

>>127173133
>manufactured
Kek no, but it was shilled and squeezed dry by labels once Nirvana blew up
Nobody in the band or even at Geffen thought Nevermind would sell more than 30k copies
Major labels do NOT put major resources into unknowns; they'll literally throw 100 acts at the wall and when one sticks they pump money into it, simple as

>t. was in a music scene where one band got famous and labels came sniffing around for other groups in the scene so they could cash in, but nobody was interested beforehand

>>127173174
>falling for corporate marketing propaganda

don't believe the hype, kid

>>127173357
My guy I saw it happen firsthand in case you didn't read the greetext of my post
>>127173348
It's me

>>127168204 (OP)
even though there were some good glam/hair metal bands, overall it was bad for metal and killed metal's mainstream appeal. MTV just pushed so many bad hair metal bands throughout the 80s that even people (like myself) who love metal got sick of it. Im glad hair metal is dead, it was overhyped and pushed too hard and gave metal a bad name

>>127168204 (OP)
It sounded like total dogshit unironically
>70's cocaine hangover plastic stadium shit

The 80's rock albums literally blow my mind everytime. How the fuck did you go from led zepp and steely dan to producing shit like motley crue?
Sounds like the engineers just gave up.

At least with the 90's bands they wanted to get back to the bare bones less reverb approach.

>>127168204 (OP)
Kurt Cobain was an incel who tried to rape a retard. He set the tone for the image of grunge being so puritanical and anti-Chad.

>>127175401
he was married with a child and the story about the retard is fiction

>>127173348
I wonder what the guy in the pic is doing these days.

>>127168204 (OP)
Someone remarked once that glam guys dressed like workmen but had the most bad boy misogynist lyrics, and bringers dressed like loggers and had the sad nice guy lyrics.

Weirdly Kurt and Axel had a competitive thing going, Kurt looked up to him a bit as he was a massive rockstar before him but Axel hollywooded him

>>127168204 (OP) (OP)
Someone remarked once that glam guys dressed like women but had the most bad boy misogynist lyrics, and grunge guys dressed like macho loggers and had the sad nice guy lyrics.

Weirdly Kurt and Axel had a competitive thing going, Kurt looked up to him a bit as he was a massive rockstar before him but Axel hollywooded him

>>127175612
Kurt didn't look up to Axl. Axl was complimentary to Nirvana and offered them a gig with Guns'n'Roses, Kurt turned it town and then started shitting on Axl and G'n'R.
They were both bitchy faggots but Kurt started that feud.

>>127175612
>Weirdly Kurt and Axel had a competitive thing going
That was just a one-sided feud with Kurt acting like a butthurt faggot towards Axl when Axl hadn't done or said anything wrong to him. Kurt was just jealous at Axl until the day he did himself.

>>127174092
You're right from '83 onwards. That's why Mötley's first is the best. That one still has the golden sound.
Then everything turned to dogshit. And it's not just the reverb. A concerted effort to make rock records sound thin, screechy, hollow: unpleasant. To this day I have no idea why that happened. And it was the same people that produced golden sound in '82 and commited aural atrocities in '83.
Unironically only got better with Rick Rubin in '86 who set an example by going to the late 70s Albert Productions (AC/DC) standard for inspiration when producing thrash metal (showing it could be done).
But by and large we never got back to the golden sound. In the mid 90s we got Loudness instead. Hooray!

>>127168204 (OP)
yes

>>127168998
based karate chad just like Dolph Lundgren but he was on roids for 10 years still a giga chad possibly the most genetically gifted white man ever

the 90s was like a reaction to 80s "greed is good" cocaine excess.
music became alternative and "selling out" was a big no no, the drug became heroin, and instead of music about partying it became music about your inner pain.

>>127176930
>music became alternative
"alternative"
fake alternative and still corporate

>>127176967
it was real alt, collge rock, thanks to nirvana lots of obscure bands got to go mainstream, but yeah the whole no selling out while being mainstream and on mtv was kind of a weird contradiction.

>>127173144
Both things can be true.

>>127176986
> thanks to nirvana lots of obscure bands got to go mainstream
fake n gay

>>127168204 (OP)
Middle School vs Seniors.

>>127176967
Got started as a marketing term in '94. You didn't really hear it before. All sorts of monikers then: indie, college rock, underground. Alternative was the machine. Sort of like "New Wave" before.

>>127168204 (OP)
Grunge could handle the responsibility of singing about women so they escaped into absolute nonsense. Grunge sucked because of this. 80% insane babbling.

>>127168204 (OP)
Sammy Haggar was far from glam. Just saying.

>>127177257
AOR. The glam accountants.

>>127176518
>>127176817
Idk dude, sounds like you don't know what the fuck you're saying.
What's with all this Kurt hate anyway?

>>127175401
Begs the question, to sue or not to sue.

Yes sue him. Can be a subject in his 7th album.

>>127168204 (OP)
Did they? Early AIC was glam metal. Mother Love Bone had strong glam elements. One of the biggest Seattle bands that they all looked up to back in the late-80's was Queensrÿche, so...

>>127177410
Dude, Kurt being a bitch towards Axl before his death was well-known. Were you living under a rock since you were born?

DIE QUEER!

>>127177257
>Sammy Haggar was far from glam. Just saying.
yes he was, he was just a dorky wrestling version of glam

>>127175455
He's arguing with me in threads on /g/

>>127176817
You don't need to be jealous of someone to simply dislike them. Kurt and Axl were both huge stars. Kurt never gave off the impression that he was insecure about not being liked enough, quite the opposite in fact. To him fame and fortune was a tiresome burden and to put it quite frankly he acted like a little bitch about it. On the other hand you have Axl, who by all accounts is one of the greatest egomaniac assholes to ever exist in the business. Why would these two contrasting personalities ever get along? If Kurt was still alive and he sat down and chatted with Axl today he might get it. Axl could tell him about how his childhood trauma sent him down a self destructive path. But they met each other when they were both on top of the world and Axl was acting like a massive annoying prick. Both made great music btw. Console warring them is dumb.

>>127178625
A couple more thoughts on this. There is nothing, not a thing, that Axl had that Kurt would have wanted. Likewise. Axl would not be interested in a single thing Kurt had. Nirvana is the cult of Kurt Cobain. All praise that goes it's way usually centers around his contributions. The same can not be said about Guns n Roses when it collapsed and became the Axl show. But Axl has never given me the impression that he is butthurt about this. It's his way or the fucking highway. Do you think that man sits around wishing he got a better deal in life? Lmao no because even after being humbled by many missteps and failures, becoming a better man, he still thinks too highly of himself for that.

>>127177657
Naw, dude.
People who made Montage of Heck.

>>127178199
That's probably because of how Axl acted during his shows.
Didn't want to be associated with that.

>>127168990
I was there and THIS. In retrospect most "alt/grunge/whatever" was fucking awful but at least it was something different and new.

>>127173174
>Major labels do NOT put major resources into unknowns; they'll literally throw 100 acts at the wall and when one sticks they pump money into it, simple as
Unless it's a manufactured fraud like Shillie Eyelash.

>>127176915
>To this day I have no idea why that happened

That's like asking why the 2000s had such gross and trashy aesthetics...well actually I know why that happened.

>>127174092
They had a lot of new studio tech in the 80s and didn't understand how to use it well.

>>127180000
Based quads. The path from this: https://youtu.be/l2q_-xN2N54 to this: https://youtu.be/K6wuyUsD5Bg is as clear as can be. If you don't get it by now when it's already ancient history you're never going to get it.

>>127180000
nice quads and i bet Chapman and Simon got a lot more critical acclaim than his band

>>127180038
He wasn't dissing them. He was pointing out how retarded it would be if they started doing heavy metal songs to mock hard rock bands going all in on ballads.

>>127180000
>The industry has always worked the same way. If one's good, a hundred's better.

>>127179557
Even back in that time when there were about 655 different harmonizing vocal groups.

1982-83 were very plastic-sounding years, yes in fact 84 sounded a lot better and not as plasticy.

ok