I really don't understand why people care so much about the politics of musicians. Why the fuck would you go to musicians for political takes, they're stupid as hell.

that's a young person thing. i almost stopped looking at interview or anything like that past a certain age

>>127172802 (OP)
I don't care about that at all unless it changes how the lyrics are interpreted. It kind of ruined some Leonard Cohen for me, songs like Suzanne or Hallelujah don't feel the same when you know he's kvetching about Christianity. But it's whatever, I still like how the music sounds.

>>127172802 (OP)
>>127172842
It's not just a young person thing. I think the Western world was built like that. Tthey tried to reinvent the world by killing off feudalism after WW1, but knew the plebs still needed to be "controlled". So they gave them retarded entertainers as the replacement for the new "influencers" instead of nobles. Most of the big money went to bankers, but the social management was a entertainer thing. Woodrow Wilson also had this ideal of "expert" classes being the authorities everywhere, and credentialism (uni level degrees) became the norm for how to rise in the expert class. You couldn't just pass a bar exam. You had to go through approved Law schools. You couldn't just tinker like Thomas Edison or Henry Ford. You had to be Engineer. Before, even politicians weren't exactly a big thing in the 1800s. There were political offices, but politicians themselves were just landowners and farmers or businessman or military leaders of some sort. They had other lives and other interests.
That's been the 20th Triumvirate to rule pleb minds since. Celebrities, bankers, and expert classes. And when people put a lot of stock in a celebrity's opinion on politics, it's just because they were programmed to.

>>127172996
20th century*

>>127172938
>d. It kind of ruined some Leonard Cohen for me, songs like Suzanne or Hallelujah don't feel the same when you know he's kvetching about Christianity
The lyrics of those songs are rather abstract and don't seem to take any POV one way or another.

>>127173028
Well that's I thought too but
>Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water
>and he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower
>and when he knew for certain only drowning men could see him
>he said all men will be sailors now until the seas shall free them
When you actually think about these lyrics he seems to be saying that Christianity tricks people into a state of despair so that they're susceptible to Jesus as a solution.

When you know that Cohen is not exactly a fan of Jesus it just makes it more obvious I guess.

>>127173061
based cohen making fun of the christoids

>>127173028
if you compare like "Sail Away" which is absolutely Randy Newman being butthurted about Christians.

>>127173069
SAAR

>>127173078
jesus isn't going to make you immortal bro

>>127173086
Sandeep, you worship an elephant man with 30 arms and throw your dead grandma's corpse in an unimaginably filthy river. Take the beam out of your own eye.

>>127173069
It's not really that I'm offended by antiChristianity, it's more that it feels like a strange thing to have in such a calm and pretty and languid song.

I liked it better when I thought he was just being vague and philosophical lol

Imagine how much the quality of this board would skyrocket if people suddenly forgot how to gossip about the personal lives and political views of musicians

>>127172802 (OP)
Trump made everything about politics. To hell with that guy.

>>127173098
Actually I worship marvel characters

i know that LC was pretty stunned and in disbelief at Dylan's Christian phase, he was like "wow, really Bob?"

>>127173061
>>127173069
Not at all what he meant. He liked Jesus. All heretical Jews like the ultimate heretical Jew.
>"I'm very fond of Jesus Christ. He may be the most beautiful guy who ever walked the face of this earth. Any guy who said 'Blessed are the poor. Blessed are the meek' has got to be a figure of unparalleled generosity and insight and madness.. . A man who declared himself to stand among the thieves, the prostitutes and the homeless. His position cannot be comprehended. It is an inhuman generosity. A generosity that would overthrow the world if it was embraced because nothing could weather that compassion. I'm not trying to alter the Jewish view of Jesus Christ. But to me, in spite of what I know about the history of legal Christianity, the figure of the man has touched me".

>>127172802 (OP)
It's not really that people look to them for insights, it's more so that it's fairly natural to not want to support someone that holds views you deem abhorrent.

>>127173138
I had no idea he said this. I feel like he must have changed his mind if this is the case.

>>127173130
My experience with Jews is that they absolutely do not care if you're a Jew and become a fedora tipper or a Buddhist or even a Muslim but converting to Christianity gets you seen as a traitor to the tribe and insta-excommunicated.

>>127172996
>killing off feudalism after WW1
Pardon?

>>127173111
No one talks about music here lmfao

>>127173072
he had none of Cohen's more mystical side he was just a butthurt edgelord who sounds like Goofy

>>127173150
He was a bit dark himself even up to the 90s.. But he embraced love. As we all must. And it's hard to ignore Jesus's love once you see it.

The Best of Leonard Cohen [Columbia, 1975]
I've always found "Sisters of Mercy" unnecessarily and uncharacteristically icky--"You can read their addresses by the light of the Moon"--really? But if you're like me and you admire Cohen's albums more than you play them, then this will be the one you find yourself pulling out and playing the most. B