Thread 127178148

Mozart was a romantic edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLotvoOxB84

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>127162019

half the links are missing or deleted (empty folders), does anyone have a backup?

>>127178148 (OP)
What is the name of the anime boy in the OP?

The nigga seething about romanticism in the previous thread would absolutely HATE what mozart would turn into

>>127178191
Maho Hiyajo. She's a girl

>>127178195
trans?

>>127178191
That's his fictional BF, don't be a hater

>>127178195
>Ma-ho Hi-ya-Jew

>>127178208
Just a biological woman

Bruckner or Mahler?

>>127178245
Prove it

Beethoven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hQzG-CATQM

Korsakov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYAJopwEYv8

>>127178258
>>127178356
>>127178247
>Romantislop nonsense
Didn't we settle this last thread?

>>127178361
>fantasiaslop
Nah, Romantic music is better. Besides, you were unable last thread to know what a development was

>>127178148 (OP)
>nonce edition

Hello, friends.

Wagner sisters I have an idea!
Lets make a petition to make the Tannhauser overture a Trans Hymn
Who is with me?

Why is /classical/ so zesty?

>>127178505
Part of that romantic charm.

>>127178505
Part of that classical charm.

why is OP linking something where 80% of the links are dead

On the topic of last thread with romantic vs classical. Is there any classical period composer that does extended development besides Beethoven? I was listening to Mahler's 4th recently and it impresses me how much mileage Mahler gets out of a very traditional sonata-allegro structure in the first movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41b0Jh8xRhk

My main issue with a lot of classical period music is that it feels like it builds up a lot towards the development section, and then the development is like 16 bars or something. I guess they weren't really focusing on development back then as much as they would in later periods, but development is one of my favorite aspects of classical music as a whole. Is there any composer from that period that had more meaty development sections present?

Note that it doesn't have to be 10+ minutes, a 7 minute movement with a 2 minute exposition, 4 minute development and 2 minute recapitulation is perfectly find and interesting too

>>127178607
I just copied over what I saw in the previous thread. Guess we need a new pastebin

>>127178700
im looking to get into classical to see what the fuss is about, where are some box sets/cds for broad coverage? want the most famous or renowned works out there covering everything if possible. ill track down where to download them, just need names. thanks in advance

>>127178735
what*

>>127178480
>Transhauser overture
PEAK

>>127178735
>>127178742
> want the most famous or renowned works out there covering everything if possible.
Depends on what you specifically want. If you are mainly interested in the symphony, I'd say listen first to some of Haydn's later symphonies, then Mozart's last 4, then Beethoven's entire output of symphonies, then Brahms.

Bach - Air

>>127178838
like everything, i saw decca ultimate box set collection 170 cd's for instance and thought that might be good. like just big sets that cover everything so i can trial and taste everything. the major famous works rolled into one sort of thing, not nessecarily in depth with an individual composer

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkCV-cTi0wU

>>127179231
Fuck off, this is an atheist /general/ we don’t want to listen to Christian composers like Bach.

>>127179286
I do

https://youtu.be/D9F73uNovr4?list=PLJcuQ6Eht9DHta_VFnxHQY3y_U5SXa01y

Schoenberg, Mozart, Bach. The greatest masters of our canon

Schoenberg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_0W5MIQrT0

Mrs. Stravinsky a cute (the first one, the second one's fugly), she looks like she could be Sissy Spacek's mom

>>127179322
Thank you, sister

>>127178148 (OP)
Händel: Te Deum Utrecht, Jubilate Utrecht
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnycRbNQ-GU

Happy saturday, friends

>>127179362
The German genius is peerless.

>>127179546
>axl rose

lol. Great source, dude!

now playing

start of Brahms: 7 Fantasias, Op. 116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTxhgLBj3_c&list=OLAK5uy_nmcwPbaAKESno7K2MooNGo2_xRPUqSdio&index=2

start of Brahms: 3 Intermezzi, Op. 117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqRC1wKFEiY&list=OLAK5uy_nmcwPbaAKESno7K2MooNGo2_xRPUqSdio&index=9

start of Brahms: 6 Piano Pieces, Op. 118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwJU5bC4zRI&list=OLAK5uy_nmcwPbaAKESno7K2MooNGo2_xRPUqSdio&index=12

start of Brahms: 4 Piano Pieces, Op. 119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxIoY3HbGw&list=OLAK5uy_nmcwPbaAKESno7K2MooNGo2_xRPUqSdio&index=17

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nmcwPbaAKESno7K2MooNGo2_xRPUqSdio

>>127178641
Ries?

I think the logical conclusion here is to not wate our times with music before late Beethoven and after death of Wagner. Maybe make exceptions for Bach and Scriabin, but that's it. And micro-composers (as I like to call them) like Mozart and Mahler for a snack every now and then (but not too much, lacks nutrients).

W.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPlaz7e1wio

C.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6dKMCofOrE

S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03T9pxREXCs

>>127180040
High IQ take.

>>127180040
Miss us with that outdated shit, we're only listening modern music here sweaty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZrm9h3JRGs

>>127180108
>modern music
Degenerate, decadent, low IQ.

Sibelius day? Sibelius day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0srW0vx72I&list=OLAK5uy_nf8F0t3qK-FjDLqU9qy_mpEQ2rXMwl8UY&index=23

>>127180146
Sibelius might be the most easiest-enjoyment-listening symphonist of them all. I put on a set of the symphonies for listen to one and next thing I know I've ended up listening to three or four or five because it's so good and flies by. Instead of some composers who make me feel like changing to something else when I've had them playing for too long, with Sibelius I just wanna keep listening to more and more, until I realize I've listened to entire set worth of music in one or two days.

>>127180138
Can't handle a little innovation in your stale compositions, boy?

now playing

start of Glazunov: Symphony No. 3 in D Major, Op. 33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tiBTCcxI9s&list=OLAK5uy_mdKxfyc7SrZetIyPumarpDEStb-301-H0&index=2

Glazunov: Symphony No. 9 in D Minor: Adagio - Allegro moderato - Adagio (Orch. Yudin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zohHZqjnmk&list=OLAK5uy_mdKxfyc7SrZetIyPumarpDEStb-301-H0&index=6

start of Glazunov: Symphony No. 2 in F-Sharp Minor, Op. 16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRCLG30LwFo&list=OLAK5uy_mdKxfyc7SrZetIyPumarpDEStb-301-H0&index=7

start of Glazunov: Symphony No. 1 in E Major, Op. 5 "Slavyanskaya"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9aXE-eSLag&list=OLAK5uy_mdKxfyc7SrZetIyPumarpDEStb-301-H0&index=10

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mdKxfyc7SrZetIyPumarpDEStb-301-H0

This is a set everyone here should have in their collection.

Haydn's Op. 20 string quartets may be the most important group of works in the history of Western music.

>>127180322
Okay but are they still good and worth listening to?

such a comfy album cover. a little bit lewd with the bare f**t tho, should be covered or censored but w/e

This is one of the great classical recordings of this decade, yes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRaYwB6nEI4&list=OLAK5uy_lYcjatHBOJ9raY_ysy_miCCz9jWtweHlI&index=46

not for sissy ears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWN4S0c6cz4

Before Wagner. After Late Beethoven.

Before Bach. After Schoenberg.

Before medieval. After contemporary.

>>127180666
>what if I take music and make it drawn-out and sound like shit
genius

>>127180997
quintessential romanticism

Why do Scriabin and Wagner mog everybody else so hard?

Mozart was Romantic
Schoenberg was Classical
Ligeti was Romantic
Wagner was Medieval

>>127181494
wagner is boring and scriabin is a 4chan meme. his late work doesn't even make sense for a normal human brain. god knows what his synesthetic ass saw in them, but you definitely don't so stop pretending.

>>127181684
Terrible opinions and taste.

>>127181684
The ultimate... you have no idea what you're saying about Lord Scriabin, whelp. Continue down this path and you'll feel the heat of my demon left hand searing your insides. Don't tempt the shadows little puppy... LOL!

>>127181748
deeply homosexual wording, did he learn that from tchaikovsky?

>>127181719
I am not saying I don't like some of his piano sonatas they're fantastic but he's not a giga-mogger.

>>127181574
Schoenberg was baroque

>>127181684
This but Messiaen

>>127178148 (OP)
I'll listen to a recordings linked in a first three replies to my post and write my honest thoughts on them.

>>127182016
Alwyn's Harp Concerto
https://youtu.be/1OP3N7KxTpU

>>127180997
Bruckner please...

>>127182016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaN_3jez-hA

It's a Debussy afternoon for me
https://youtu.be/IoENgt1h4_A

Where do you guys still buy CDs of classical music? They tend to be absurdly expensive online.

>>127182016
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G4K6ZSDtRZE&pp=ygURaGVsbXV0IGxhY2hlbm1hbm7SBwkJxwkBhyohjO8%3D

>>127181748
Synthetic slop

Bruckner has some great moments in his symphonies but they are separated by many minutes of completely unmemorable romantic filler

Before I started, I listened to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCnotjS66kE
J.S. Bach: The Art Of Fugue, BWV 1080: Contrapunctus 11 which may or may not affected these impressions. Thank you: >>127180615 for linking.

>>127182037 Alwyn's Harp Concerto.

Gloomier harp piece than usual. I think I was in a much better mood than would be recommended to properly enjoy this melancholic, brooding piece. Sometimes I felt harp was overshadowed by the orchestra, not sure if it was author’s intention or not. 3>4>1>2. Also, why four parts in a concerto?

Adagio: nice harp entrance solo.
Listened two times in quick succession.

>>127182072 Symphony No. 8 in C Minor, WAB 108 (Remastered): I. Allegro moderato

Just one movement? Ok. I can do that. Damn this guy really likes his tubas and horns! Also, a very down, oppressive movement. Is the end supposed to be dying heartbeat?
Started the whole symphony. 1:15??? Who Bruckner thinks he is? Mahler?
Really like the end of the second movement. Overall liked the second movement more than the first. Adagio: Would I have almost half an hour of peace and quiet? Listening to Adagio now.

>>127182561
Uppity pup thinks he grasps the Atman who am the dark God? Hah! You're fortunate that your feeble "brain" can even interpret Lord Scriabin's spellcraft as "music" at all. Little does the whelp know that his organs are melting as he speaks, unable to withstand the profane sonorities of Pater Scriabin's tenebrous craft...
>>127181770
LOLOLOL! An eyesore like you would die of a gay orgasm from simply "listening" to Scriabin were it not for the obscurity of your own primitive consciousness protecting you from such effects.

>>127182969
Anattā

Joseph Schwantner- Recoil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fQmSV_5A34&list=RD3fQmSV_5A34&start_radio=1&ab_channel=SkylarWarrenMusic

Not quite as good as Joseph Schneedner

best Scriabin interpreter?

>>127183433
Ignore everyone else, the answer is always Lettberg.

>>127183433
Hammelin
Ohlsson
Szidon
Ashkenazy

Where were you when you realised violins sound kind of awful?

>>127182468
... Zwei Gefühle ... Musik mit Leonardo

Strange. Super strange. Honestly, I don’t like how he pronounces HR-R-R-R. What’s the Lyricist saying? I’m mostly confused. Sounds a bit like Arvo.
Thank you, that was something else…

>>127183626
What instrument sounds good in your mind then?

Sell Hindemith to me. Explain what's so good about him and why his music is worth listening to today.

>>127183915
The harp idk

>>127183915
Viola.

CPE Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z-p3atX5Uk

>>127184432
oh yeah?

>>127184546
You better believe it

>>127184559
and then what?

>>127184572
Dont challenge me

>>127184590
speak on that

Does this count as classical music?

>>127184044
are you asking this question for an assignment?

>>127184863
Anything before late Beethoven and death of Wagner doesn't belong here >>>/mu/

>>127184863
ye

>>127185190
and after* death of Wagner

>>127185190
that only gives 66 years (1817-1883) to choose from.

>>127178247
Obviously Bruckner.

>>127185187
I'm thinking of finally delving into his music but I just don't want to waste my time; man was prolific. If I'm not convinced then I'll just move on to something else, but he seems to be important and worthwhile and I wanted to know why/hear /classical/'s opinion. Dumb, I know.

>>127184863
ma'am that's a OST

>>127185250
Correct.

>>127183433
Just so we're clear:

Symphonies, Rêverie, Sonatas & Vers La Flamme: Ashkenazy
Piano Concerto: Postnikova+Rozhdestvensky
Op 54: Lokalenkov+Golovschin
Op 60: Argerich+Abbado
Symphonic Allegro: Moscow Philharmonic+Golovschin
2 Piano Fantaisie: Ponti+Leonardi
Scherzo & Andante for string orchestra: Hamburg Strings+Preyss-Bato
Everything else piano solo: Dmitri Alexeev

>>127185610
Ashkenazy sucks cock.
Argerich/Abbado recording is a literal joke
Alexeev can't play

>>127185339
>wanted to know hear /classical/'s opinion
Huh. Yeah, that *is* pretty dumb

>>127185339
I like Hindemith for his free use of the chromatic scale in counterpoint which has been described by Glenn Gould as quasi-tonal. Similarly, Hindemith's all-encompassing system of harmony solved the then centuries old paradox of "non-harmonic tones".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ATRgXKMTw

>>127185610
Sweetie you forgot the Lettberg again. It's time to get back to the disciplinary chamber.

>>127185660
bait should be believable

>>127185677
What about his symphonic/chamber music? Would you say his music has had staying power? I mean regardless of popularity, would you say the music he made was notable/memorable/interesting/unique enough to be worthy of remembrance, like a number of his contemporaries (Bartók, Milhaud, Messiaen, etc)? Is he more than a product of his time? Is his neoclassicism even as partially as devoid of identity and personality as Stravinsky's?

>>127185702
Dogma should be defensible
Ritual should be repeatable
Liturgy should be legible
Belief should be beautiful
What fulfils these conditions in the decadent modern world in which "God is Dead"? Answer: the holy poetry of Richard Wagner and his "Sacred Festival Stage Play" which transforms and supersedes religion.
https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg?list=PL_Cf5Xxn5OZY1gE9zsWHAjXz6MVz9IZYS

>>127185190
I agree my guy, after Wagner's death is when things started getting really good

>>127185660
>Ashkenazy sucks cock.

>>127185744
see fagner pic
stop reading post
life is good

>>127185190
based Romanti-chad

>>127185743
Hindemith is as important as his modernist contemporaries (Stravinsky, Bartok, etc.) however his works will remain relatively obscure because they're for musicians already initiated into the mysteries of classical music.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jitbwlX0_ds

>>127185857
I gather that he's important, and I realise (my having to ask about him being evidence enough) that he's relatively obscure, which is why I'm asking for personal appreciations/impressions of his music and how it compares to his contemporaries. Just giving a kind of back-cover blurb won't cut it. Anyway sorry, at least someone's taking the time to reply.

Why are concerto sonata allegro movements longer than symphonic sonata allegro movements?

>>127185909
because of Dussek and Field

>>127185909
It's more fun to compose sonata-allegros than it is to compose scherzos, adagios, or rondos

>>127185943
But why is it so much longer in a concerto than in a symphony? Beethoven's 4th and 5th piano concerto's first movements are longer than any sonata allegro movements he ever wrote in any of his symphonies and it confuses me as to why

Can anons give me some piano recs?I really like "clair de lune" but idk where else to start when it comes to classical music since I mostly listen to music from the 70s

>>127185984
because of Dussek and Field

>>127186023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpMdr9nBJc0

>>127186023
I gotchu senpai.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sj5wq4EIRg&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD

>>127186023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwDqNz9GeuI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=831CmEITXdI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw9ni9zXc7A

>>127186140
I kneel. this is advanced shit posting.

>>127186195
It's good to have one's efforts appreciated once in a while.

>>127186023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5R8xe2cCbA
>I really like "clair de lune"
here's more then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uei_czWHtVE

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCgwP4gc5Jo&list=OLAK5uy_kcxWNb_peYeLOuBpmGdYW7Hz8ieWHM8A8&index=7

Scarlatti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn2uisntIYk&list=OLAK5uy_mgCUeC3R2TfhTglooeLs1oz5hVCRBbGrA&index=12

>>127186383
Sounds fartier than Farthoven

>>127178148 (OP)
16th century music (Palestrina, Tallis, Lassus, etc.) should be called Reformation music instead of Renaissance music. change my mind.