Karajan Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOqFLwo4HUA

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Previous: >>127220348

Gould and Barenboim should have been aborted

The Day of the Karajan

Now listening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn4-pnG0WaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZFG9DbuxbM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfTveydYhZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjBc5L4D8_s
>Hindemith composed the music in 1923 to a commission by the pianist Paul Wittgenstein. He and his brother, the philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein, belonged to a wealthy family of industrialists in Vienna. Paul Wittgenstein lost his right arm in the World War. To continue his career, he arranged works for left hand alone, and he commissioned left-hand piano pieces from leading composers of the 1920s, for his exclusive use, including Benjamin Britten, who composed Diversions, Erich Korngold's Piano Concerto for the Left Hand, Ravel's Piano Concerto for the Left Hand, Prokofiev's Piano Concerto No. 4, works by Franz Schmidt, and Parergon and Panathenäenzug by Richard Strauss.
>In a note added to the first mailing of the music in May 1923, he wrote:
>"Here are the three final movements of your piece and I hope that your shock will subside after perusing the score. It is a simple, completely unproblematic piece and I am sure that you will enjoy it after a time. (Perhaps you are appalled at first, but that does not matter.) In any case, you will surely understand the piece – in case of any doubt I will always be there to give you precise information."
>The outer movements have been described as showing Hindemith's "abrasive early modernism at its finest". The slow Trio is like chamber music, and longer than the two first movements together. A reviewer noted that it mixes Bach and blues, with the piano contrasting solo woodwinds over an ostinato pizzicato bass. A reviewer at Gramophone described the finale as "chatteringly energetic".
>Overall, the piano is used for figuration rather than melodies, following the normal role of the left hand in piano music. The work shows similarities to a baroque concerto, described as neo-baroque "with jazz influences and touches of humour".

>>127232224
Gould yes.
But why does Barenboim bother people so much? What are some of his worst recordings?
>inb4 all of them

>>127232512
his piano solo stuff

>>127232207 (OP)
Holy shit what a badass

>>127232512
In Barenboim's case I recognise he's a top notch interpreter but I despise him as a person.

>>127232494
>>127232500

>>127232581
Fuck off, no one cares

>>127232530
Any specific examples? His Beethoven stuff isn't top tier but by no means is it bad? As far as I recall.
>>127232569
>I despise him as a person.
What did he do?

>>127232512
he cheated on his ill partner, the angelic and great Du Pre

>>127232709
He's also a pretentious asshole al around and not as good as he has tried really hard to make everyone else believe he is. Also there's something incredibly douchey in taking government money to appear in shit festivals where he just butchers some tango and fucks off back home

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN2lGQ8FGEg&list=OLAK5uy_li1W3bQ0qpcb8_SJq7VOmpvc1Bc8lwoHQ&index=13

>>127233044

>plays youre piece in triple time
nothing personnel, pindos

>>127233240
what made you think the second time around your horrid post would get a better reception?

>>127233240

>>127232468
>Erich Korngold's Piano Concerto for the Left Hand
Huh, maybe I shouldn't have dismissed Korngold entirely as a mere hollywood composer of OSTs, a proto-John Williams if you will

>>127233452
nah that's basically what he is really

>>127232468
>Sadly, Wittgenstein declared that he did not understand Hindemith’s work and refused to play it though he kept the score which was found after the death of his widow in 2001 among her papers. It was only given its première in 2004 by Leon Fleisher. The works by both Prokofiev and Godowsky suffered similar fates all of which speaks much more of the dedicatee than the composers.
wow what a cunt

>>127232207 (OP)
herbert was one cool mofo

>>127233845
>Wittgenstein decided to continue his pianistic career by commissioning the leading composers of his day to write dedicated piano works for his left hand. Lured by Wittgenstein’s generous financial terms, composers ranging from Maurice Ravel to Richard Strauss, and from Serge Prokofiev to Benjamin Britten responded to the pianist’s commissions. Wittgenstein considered his commissioned works personal property, and he deliberately prevented other performers from playing his repertoire. After each rehearsal and performance, he personally collected conducting scores and orchestral parts and locked them up in his private archive. On occasion, a pianist would politely ask permission to perform some of the commissioned piano concertos, but Wittgenstein was steadfast—and rather rude—in his refusal. “I must flatly deny your request to perform the piano concertos that have been written for me. It makes absolutely no sense to grant performing rights to the first best pianist who asks for them. You have not commissioned nor paid for them, and so I cannot allow you to perform these works.” In fact, Wittgenstein did not hesitate to engage legal representation in his effort to prevent these scores from ever reaching the public. Serge Prokofiev wrote to Wittgenstein “ I have racked my brain trying to predict what sort of impression my concerto will make upon you as music. Difficult problem! You are a musician of the nineteenth century I am a composer of the 20th.” Wittgenstein’s reply was short and to the point, “Dear Sir, Thank you very much for the concerto. However, I don’t understand a single note and I will not perform it,” and he never did. The same fate fell upon Paul Hindemith’s Piano Music with Orchestra, composed in 1923. Although Hindemith described the work as “simple and completely unproblematic,” it failed to please the pianist. Wittgenstein never played the work in public, and he retained performance rights and refused to release the work.
WOW

best harp works?

>>127234170
some from my harp playlist
are they "the best"? i can say only that i enjoy them, and others by the same artists

- Viejo Zortzico (Transcribed for Harp) --- Xavier de Maistre
- Leonore Prohaska, WoO 96: II. Romanze in E-Flat Major for Glass Harp --- Ingeborg Emge
- Orphée et Eurydice, Wq. 41: Danse des esprits bienheureux (Arr. Xavier de Maistre) [Live] --- Xavier de Maistre, Les Arts Florissants & William Christie
- Concerto for Harp and Orchestra in E-flat major, Op. 74: III. Allegro giocoso --- Boris Khaikin, Moscow RTV Symphony Orchestra & Olga Erdeli
- Waltz No. 19 in A Minor, B. 150 (Version for Harp in A-Flat Minor) --- Magdalena Hoffmann

>>127234170
François-Adrien Boïeldieu - Harp Sonata In G Major Op 8, Harp Concerto In C Major Op 77
Jan Václav Dusík - Harp Concerto In E-Flat Major Op 15 Craw 53, Favourite Sonata For The Harp In E-Flat Major Op 37 Craw 169; Opp 11, 34, 37, 38, 26, 72, 73, 74
Ludewig Spohr - Sonate Für Violine & Harfe Nº1 c-Moll WoO 23, Nº2 B-Dur Op 16, Nº3 e-Moll WoO 27, Nº4 D-Dur Op 113, Nº5 As-Dur Op 114, Nº6 As-Dur Op 115; Concertante Nº1 G-Dur WoO 13, Nº2 e-Moll WoO 14
Charles-Camille Saint-Saëns - Morceau De Concert En Sol Majeur Op 154
Achille Claude Debussy - Sonate Nº2 Pour Flûte, Viola, Et Harpe
Ralph Vaughan Williams - Five Variants Of "Dives And Lazarus" For Strings & Harp
Ernst Heinrich Křenek - Harfe Konzert Op 126, Harfensonate Op 150
Darius Milhaud - Sonata For Violin And Harpsichord Op 257, Harp Concerto Op 323
Alberto Ginastera - Harp Concerto Op 25

wow I am suddenly over with this post

>>127234170
Hindemith Harp Sonata

>>127234089
>>127234089
Yeah, it's pretty bad. I used to think Wittgenstein was pretty cool for overcoming his loss. What a tosser.

Now listening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsSd6P3J_aM
>The quintet begins with a muscular, motoric theme: a five-note motto that spawns related thematic variations and permutations across the entire work. Like columns that frame a symmetric structure, the first and last movements are related. A close inspection reveals that the last movement is precisely the first movement in reverse. Technically called retrograde or crab motion, it is the first movement played backwards. The slow movement comes second. Quiet, restful, it rises without pause out of the first movement with a sinuous theme in the cello. Each of the players joins in turn, imitating the theme in the manner of a canon or fugue. The clarinet is held in reserve yielding a powerful effect upon its entrance. The music features the slowing down and spacing out of the theme in the clarinet (known as augmentation) magically accompanied by the theme at its normal speed in the strings.
>The central movement serves as the scherzo, in this case, coyly named "Schneller Ländler", a faster Ländler. The Ländler is an Austrian folk dance in a moderate triple meter that predates its faster cousin, the Waltz. Hindemith delivers a kind of whirling dervish, a fantastical dream of Ländlers, Waltzes, folk tunes and organ grinders in a colorful, energetic sweep. The brief Arioso is a startling point of contrast and repose. Exotic, sensuous and haunting, a single violin sings a shivering entreaty, a siren song from another world. Three simple, unadorned incantations from the clarinet enhance the singularity of this mysterious oasis of repose. The furthest point of musical remove in the whole quintet, its magic only briefly lingers before the strident beginning, backwards, becomes the end. This is music beholding itself in a mirror.

>>127234428
lol hell yeah li'l dude

Haydn Symphony No. 6 "Le Matin"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtWEvUnC1Vs&list=RDXtWEvUnC1Vs&start_radio=1&ab_channel=Haydn2032

Pretty slow thread tonight

>>127233240
Which piece?

>>127234996
A year ago, there were many nights where the only posts where me posting a recording and the sisterposter calling it shit, so the current average rate ain't nothing to complain about is my point.

now playing

start of Brahms: Piano Sonata No. 3 in F Minor, Op. 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTcbG1Dm8Uk&list=OLAK5uy_klUyxVQ3IoaIMVxs-GECvXlYLJhov_9o0&index=2

start of Brahms: 7 Fantasien, Op. 116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xiD9kP17iE&list=OLAK5uy_klUyxVQ3IoaIMVxs-GECvXlYLJhov_9o0&index=6

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_klUyxVQ3IoaIMVxs-GECvXlYLJhov_9o0

>>127235794
It's plenty to complain. Just because things have been worse doesn't mean they're good.

>>127235844
Post something of interest worthy of discussion or reactions then.

>>127235860
ok
>>127232468
>>127234379
>>127234749

>>127235890
I posted those

Nah those are pretty substantive, thanks for your contribution. Might check out some of those harp works.

>>127235930
>Might check out some of those harp works
Thank you, I reall had to rack my brains and check my music folder because I kept thinking I was forgetting something crucial. I mean I still do but like I said in that post I suddenly got tired of it

Jankowski
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcpWieV5lvg

Karajan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_1N6_O254g

thoughts on Charles Ives? what is a good work to start with?

>>127237057
He's one of the few composers who achieved the incredible feat of being simultaneously lesser known and painfully overrated

>>127237057
MTT's cycle of symphonies, the Concord Sonata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxQbCSOr3SM

someday I hope the world fully grasps the genius of Liszt's Annees de pelerinage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGeGLCNs0Fw&list=OLAK5uy_kVzx81ozMwbktYoJesroEKuytnmfjsGPw&index=2

>>127237057
>thoughts on Charles Ives?
more interesting than good

What is this expression trying to convey?
https://youtu.be/6-ojM-rfkkc?si=-vcIZyObdtjbh6Mt&t=13

>>127237393
a standard female "alright, phew, here we go" look. seriously?

>>127237393
Excitement. She is about to blow her trumpet

>>127237393

>>127237433
Imagine the Blowjobs…

Imagine if Wagner for some reason in an alteranate timeline only had his preludes as standalone symphonic movements and asks you to arrange them for his symphony no.2, which 4 would you choose to make into a symphony and which order would you place them in?

>>127238193
Idk, but I'd love to hear Meistersinger symphony the most. The overture could've been the first movement.

>>127238193
good question. considering the standard symphonic layout is some variation of sonata-allegro -> adagio -> minuet -> finale/fugue, I would select the following:

Tannhauser overture (sonata allegro)
Tristan prelude (adagio mov)
Rienzi overture (minuet/dance mov)
Meistersinger prelude (finale mov)

*I decided not to consider movements from Parsifal or the ring cycle because they aren't long enough. furthermore, I chose the Tannhauser overture for movement 1 because I believe it best sums up the essence of Wagner's style.

>>127238523
this would be a great idea for a concert.

Would someone be kind enough to suggest a good performance and recording of Mendelssohn's second violin concerto please?

>>127238649
I gotchu senpai.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_7fLTLHV2Q

>>127238649
Heifetz, Suk

>>127238676
thanks
>>127238714
from a quick sampling the Heifetz seems like a fine performance as one might expect, but the audio is rather thin and murky. perhaps Im spoiled by modern sound quality but I find it distracting.
the Suk is much better in that regard so I'll give that a proper listen

>>127238649
i've never before seen mendelssohns famous violin concerto refered to as his 'second'.

>>127238823
Lol me neither. No one cares about the other one

>>127238823
well it is his second. I had no clue what the opus number is and I wanted to be specific because 4chan and thought someone might get snarky and link to his early one or something
>>127238828
it might not a fixture in the repertoire but its pretty good

>>127238872
>someone might get snarky and link to his early on
Nah, as I said, no one cares. Repertoire is large enough as it is, no one wastes time on lesser works. Everyone just calls it "Mendelssohn's violin concerto". Or sometimes " in E minor". Anyway it doesn't matter.

>>127238676
Why is she holding the violin neck like that?

>>127237909
>POV: you are an African Land Fish

Buxtehude
https://youtu.be/nCDt0eAaXEA?si=ZhWyov3dp7HWUoW3

https://youtu.be/npK7fhi7s44?list=RDnpK7fhi7s44

1974 version is when the piece was complete. Any later version is insecurity's product than anything else

Why is there far less of a bruckner cult than there is a wagner and chopincel cult?

>>127239280
Because Bruckner isn't that complicated as a person. Bruckner is just
>Luv me God
>Luv me church
>Luv me beer
And besides that wanted his music heard more than anything. It's a lot less exciting than Wagner cucking a king and then having him call him a superior being

>>127239310
>Bruckner isn't that complicated as a person

>In his diaries, he kept lists of the girls he fancied (usually in their late teens), he had a mania for counting the bricks and windows of buildings, and for counting the numbers of bars in his gargantuan orchestral scores, making sure their proportions were statistically correct. And there were even stranger sides to this kind of behaviour: when his mother died, Bruckner commissioned a photograph of her on her death bed and kept it in his teaching room. He had no image of his mother when she was alive, just this grotesque-seeming token of her death staring out at him as an unsettling memento mori. Butt also recalls accounts of Bruckner having "fingered and kissed the skulls of Beethoven and Schubert" when their corpses were exhumed and moved to a different cemetery; that Bruckner had requested permission to see the skull of a dead cousin (he was refused), and also that of the Emperor Maximilian, whose body was returned to Vienna after his execution in Mexico in 1867

>>127239342
That's just autism. Thank God that he was born in that time and not in the modern age of the internet. Guy would have definitely been a lolcow.

:(

What does /classical/ think of Moondog?

>>127239280
Bruckner was an autistic hillbilly whereas Wagner was the greatest prophet since Christ. I don't see how they can be compared.

>>127239361
>Christ
>Prophet
Hello Ahmed

>>127239355
isn't that some baby hippo

>>127239377
nice lack of reading comprehension you have there.

>>127239361
Christ was the autistic hillbilly, anon

>>127239361
>Wagner was the livest of wires, larger than life in almost every respect. He was described by French writer Édouard Schuré as a “floodtide that nothing can stem,” and by Franz Liszt as having “a great and overwhelming nature, a sort of Vesuvius.” Even his nemesis, the critic Eduard Hanslick, conceded that he was “the most remarkable of phenomena, a marvel of energy and endowment.”

>A highly emotional man, Wagner possessed very little in the way of a self-censor mechanism; he was quick to anger, quick to tears, quick to laughter, quick to frenzy. If people caught him on good days, they recounted that “he bubbled with with jokes, wild ideas and comic remarks,” was “utterly charming," and that he was “full of fun” with “childlike jolly.”

>His high spirits overflowed into a joyous froth of acts of sheer buffoonery and eccentric jokes, but the least contradiction provoked unprecedented anger. Then he was like a caged lion, roaring like a wild animal, pacing the room, his voice growing hoarse and the words coming out like cries, his words striking at random. He then seemed like an unleashed force of nature, a volcano erupting... Everything about him was larger than life.

>If a difficult passage went particularly well he would spring up, embrace or kiss the singer warmly, or out of pure joy stand on his head on the sofa, creep under the piano, jump on to it, run into the garden and scramble joyously up a tree.

>In one famous example, when no one was paying attention to him at a party, Wagner let out a “brief but piercing” scream, and then announced he was going to read a book to everyone—from start to finish.

guy was kinda spergy desu, as autistic as bruckner if im honest with myself

>>127239361
Christ is not a historical figure. no mater how hard some historians cope. Carrier debunked it. Also Wagner > Bruckner.

>>127239391
when an autistic hillbilly speaks I listen and learn.

>>127239410
>From 1995 to 2015, he was married to Jennifer Robin Carrier. Announcing their divorce, Carrier revealed that he is polyamorous, and the last two years of their marriage had been an open relationship.

Yeah I am not trusting a cuckold, especially not a literal basedjak (pic related). Physiogamy does not lie, ugly people are always wrong on everything you can think of.

>>127239429
>This is the guy wignatsister shills
rofl

>>127239342
childlish behavior

>>127239410
He is considered fringe by any academic that takes themselves seriously. You can blindly trust his word, but that would make you no better than a religious person doing the same with the Bible and you'd be a major hypocrite doing the same thing in the opposite way

>>127239429
dumbest post of all time award

>>127239460
>Cuckoldry is actually okay and if you disagree you're dumb!
Not beating the onions allegations here, bruh

https://youtu.be/XdLat4f7z30

>>127239468
your greentext is so dumb I didn't read the rest of your post

>>127239496
The greentext is a literal quote from the wikipedia page kek

>>127239280
Because everyone here loves Bruckner so there's no need to posture and be overly defensive.

>>127239280
He's less popular than Chopin and less polarising than Wagner so Bruckner people tend to be a lot quieter and really only become visible when it's time to argue about which editions of the symphonies should be played.

>>127239513
yeah

>>127239429
>>127239436
>>127239460
Who the fuck is this guy? I was referring to Richard Carrier you stupid mongoloid.
>>127239449
>any academic that takes themselves seriously
As in, any academic that is financed by christcucks? I trust logic and rational interpetation of history, judging by my own, not worshipping some half assed "historians" and what they decree. Likewise, many historians know it's bullshit.

>>127239636
>I was referring to Richard Carrier you stupid mongoloid.
That IS richard carrier you fucking retard LMAO. You don't even know of your own idols, absolutely embarassing rofl

>>127239429
>>127239636
I take it back, that is indeed him.
Anyway, no cope is going to cut it. Jesus is a myth.

>>127239636
>As in, any academic that is financed by christcucks?
Yes, everyone, even secular academics are financed by the Christians. Are the Christians in the room with you right now?

>>127239636
>>127239652
>>127239658
i don't know or care what you two are talking about, but lol

>>127239652
>your idol LMAO LOL
>you don't recognize him hahaha
kek. Anyways, copium.
>>127239669
Again, many secular academics disagree. Others are sheep. The ones who can think are few and rare.

>>127239658
>>127239652
>>127239636
>>127239429
This is appeal to emotion and not an argument. There is great art, produced by geniuses who are characterized by extraordinarily high intelligence and very specific personality traits (such as conscientiousness, which typically is in positive correlation with general intelligence, but is low in geniuses) necessary to revolutionize and make exceptional art. Most composers were atheists. But atheism was frowned upon in 17th century and pretty much throughout the entire history, so those who expressed atheistic views were either either ignored or executed. In short, you had to keep your mouth shut and pretend you were part of the herd. Furthermore, I'd also argue and die on the hill that Democritus, Leucippus and even Epicurus were all atheist. Protagoras was technically agnostic (like Epicurus, in some sense), but that can be translated to "atheist but not informed enough". Furthermore, atheism existed in Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia. These topics can be explored and studied in Edward Dutton's books. I gave you the redpill, you're giving me the same cliche every pop slop faggot does. You have a poor understanding of how IQ tests actually work. IQ tests correlate with Spearman's g factor. It measures the g factor, although it is not a perfect measurer of it. And g factor is the best measurer of general intelligence we have. In fact, g factor itself uses musical abilities among other cognitive abilities to measure intelligence, and although it is not as strongly correlated to intelligence as maths, there is a considerable correlation. Actually, quick glance at Dutton's book and I found a source showing correlation between general intelligence and musical preference, that should really end the argument right here. I really don't care, not reading your pseudo historical slop further as it's making me nauseous. March onwards to psych ward you useless shit stain. Go argue with ChatGPT, it's more in line with your takes.

>>127239658
At least you know that you are blindly trusting the words of a literal cuckold soicuck whose wife got her pussy blasted out by other men for 2 years straight LMAO

>>127239687
Didn't read, you follow an ugly cuckold. Cope more

>>127239688
>you are blindly trusting the words
I believed he was a historical figure for a long time. I'm not blindly trusting anyone.

>>127239687
It's actually pretty rational. Ugly people are always wrong, the guy is ugly, so he is wrong. Anything else is a cope

>>127239702
>>127239712
The guy you just replied to is trolling it seems

>>127239688
>>127239702
>>127239709
>>127239712
There’s zero first-century proof for Jesus, just late, forged Gospels and Paul’s cosmic Christ myth. Paul’s Jesus was a celestial being crucified by demons (1 Cor. 2:8), not a historical man. The "brothers of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19)? Spiritual community, not siblings. The "James, brother of Jesus" in Josephus? Interpolation, proven by Bayesian analysis (On the Historicity of Jesus, 2014). Gospels are fanfic. Mark invented a biography, copying pagan dying-and-rising gods (Osiris, Dionysus) and OT midrash. Even Ehrman admits most NT is forged (Forged, 2011), but he still clings to historicity like a brainwashed fundie. "Historians agree Jesus existed"? So what? Consensus ≠ truth. Most scholars are Christian apologists or careerists terrified of mythicism. Carrier’s peer-reviewed work demolishes their circular reasoning ("criteria of authenticity" is a joke). The Talmud’s "Yeshu"? Late garbage. Tacitus? Hearsay from Christians. Josephus’ Testimonium? Obvious forgery. Even if a Yeshua bin Yusuf got crucified, so what? Tons did. The Jesus cult started as a mystery religion about a celestial savior, historicized later by Mark. You’re regurgitating Sunday school slop. Read Carrier’s Bayesian case (Proving History, 2012) or shut up. Your "evidence" is garbage-tier apologist cope. Go gargle Ehrman’s dick if you want, but mythicism’s rising, deal with it.

>>127239721
Ugly cuckold post

>>127239687
>People were atheists then, but they just didn't say they were!
Open atheists existed back then, especially in the time of the great composers. Mozart even commented on one prominent atheist in his time.

>>127239721
Not me, but based and correct.

Bax

https://youtu.be/gAKgUTmf1wM

>>127239741
Obvious samefag is obvious

>Thread turns into people arguing about religion for the millionth time
Take it to /his/ or /pol/

I have decided it's time for me to take a break from the A minor fugue from Book 1. After having played through half of the book now, I figure it's time to give Book 2 a go, since it's supposed to be a more substantial work overall compared to the first one. After the grind that was A minor Book 1, I figure I want something lighter and in a major key. I have narrowed it down to three pairs I want to start out with.

>No 3 in C#
>No 7 in Eb
>No 9 in E

I was originally going to start with 9 in E, since it's one of my favorite fugues from both books, but I'm so worn out after the behemoth that is A minor Book 1, that I'm considering doing 7 in Eb instead, since it appears to be a lighter work at first glance.

Thoughts? Anyone ITT ever played any of these particular preludes and fugues?

>>127239751
Nope. It's some based schizo pretending to be me

>>127239781
At this point the only half decent way to prevent this general from shitflinging is to separate it into one general for Christian posters and another for atheist ones

>>127239818
It's literally one guy starting the same arguments. Just stopping replying to his bait.

>>127239608
Anyone listens to vinyl here?

>>127239824
>It's literally one guy
Yeah and he's arguing with himself, genius. How about stop discussing this at all? Post something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4B-Rw6RfyU

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 27 in E Minor, Op. 90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAK2mVZ9xdQ&list=OLAK5uy_nDgfCSROJc-wfRBnDKKIA6tPu9a8fr3QQ&index=2

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 28 in A Major, Op. 101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O52S4YkK-7E&list=OLAK5uy_nDgfCSROJc-wfRBnDKKIA6tPu9a8fr3QQ&index=4

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 29 in B-Flat Major, Op. 106 "Hammerklavier"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBZH8RRW_d8&list=OLAK5uy_nDgfCSROJc-wfRBnDKKIA6tPu9a8fr3QQ&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nDgfCSROJc-wfRBnDKKIA6tPu9a8fr3QQ

let's have a choral morning with Bach's St John Passion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX3JsyiWeJM&list=OLAK5uy_naPQHu2ZM1w944rxnA-dtrXLgjMe90LX4&index=1

Dijkstra's Bach is so fuckin' good, and refreshing as a third way approach (basically a contemporary mix of traditional and HIP), I highly recommend all of his Bac choral stuff, I think there's even a convenient boxset where you can get it all-in-one.

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcYMa-CM6AM&list=OLAK5uy_kpGa-_olVAv57MY6Mv4AhRSL2JrkHHjJI&index=1

>>127236873
pure kino
this era of karajan with schwalbe is the goat

>>127237057
Based on this I would not be going to Central Park at any time
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1&pp=ygUlY2hhcmxlcyBpdmVzIGNlbnRyYWwgcGFyayBpbiB0aGUgZGFya6AHAQ%3D%3D

>>127237221
Someone posted the Lisztmas Christmas album a few threads ago, it seemed very promising and actually quite cheerful unlike the rest of his later works but I might actually save it for Christmas

>insists on never doing technical exercises, only builds technique through repertoire
>doesn't even work on scales and arpeggios
>still has the best technique in the world

How can one woman be this based?

>>127240427
>still has the best technique in the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IZBX5QIb5k

(jk I love her)

>>127239342
Yeah well everyone does that

>>127239636
>Doesn’t even know what his cuckjak idol looks like
>All academia is le heckin funded by BIG CHRISTIANITY to prove Jesus existed


Then proceeds to start throwing random phrases they half remember at the wall hoping it sticks >>127239687
>>127239721
Btw Edward Dutton is also considered a fringe figure not taken seriously by academics

This was not the Atheist sisters finest hour

>>127240447
Damn, I was unaware Argerich had such vehement detractors. Seems like most of the grievances here are with her interpretations though, not really technique itself. It's fine if one doesn't like her aggressive sound quality, but her technique is beyond effortless.

Has anyone ever listened to all ten gorillion of Hayden’s identical symphonies?

Has anyone ever listened to all ten gorillion of Beethovens’s identical sonatas?

>>127240749
Beethoven wrote 32 sonatas and they’re quite different you stupid lying nigger

>>127240715
Although I revere Haydn and consider him one of the most important composers of all time, it's really hard to get into his massive body of work, since I do think it kinda blurs together really quickly, and also that Mozart and Beethoven both kinda eclipsed him, as sacriligious as that may sound.

>>127240765
Bach is still plenty unique with his massive body of work, why is this?

>>127240749
Beethoven is likely the single greatest piano composer of all time, you uncultured pleb. It's not without reason that Hans von Bulow considered his sonatas the new testament of music. Their scope is massive.

>>127240776
Because Bach was so unbelievably good at music, that some doubt he even really existed. Haydn was great, but he wasn't beyond belief.

>>127240765
This is crazy to say when so many of his symphonies employ unique instrumental ensembles, but even apart from that the London symphonies by themselves are as distinct from each other as Mozart's celebrated last six.

>>127240808
Haydn is one of the only composers than bears comparison to Bach. Also Bach reused his ideas all the time across his career so the notion that his works never blur together is preposterous. It takes nothing away from his greatness as a composer, but just excessive levels of idolatry here being used to justify an amorphous popular consensus and put down a composer who is already less visible than he deserves for largely arbitrary reasons.

>>127240616
desu Argerich isn't very good at Chopin, she's always rushing (not that I dislike fast tempos). Except 3rd sonata and few works. But she's good in general
>>127240580
It is funded by fanatics, yes. And these two pastas were not me, but nice try.
> Edward Dutton
Directly hired and co-worked with Richard Lynn, both published in leading psychology journals. Of course, logically that means nothing. Their research means everything. You have a small brain.

>>127241030
thank you pseud chopincel

>>127241055
Thank you jeet spammer

post your top 10 Baroque composers
1. Bach (obviously)
2. Zelenka
3. Handel
4. Lully
5. Scarlatti
6. Rameau
7. Telemann
8. Corelli
9. Couperin
10. Vivaldi
not sure if Monteverdi counts as Renaissance or Baroque, if Baroque he would be number 2.

>>127241241
1. Handel
2. Scarlatti
3. Telemann
4. Vivaldi
5. Lully
6. I don't care

>>127241241
1. Bach
2. Purcell
3. Handel
4. Scarlatti
5. Vivaldi
6. the rest

Versions of Beethoven's piano sonatas for ensembles?

like dis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NZUkd1mxSc&list=RD8NZUkd1mxSc&start_radio=1&ab_channel=DirkSchneiderheinze

>>127241406
Weingartner made a cool hammerklavier transcription but sadly all recordings are in mono

It may well be that some composers do not believe in God. All of them, however, believe in Bach.

>>127241030
A fine cope discredited fringe sister

Barenboim sort of has this look he's conning you with an insurance scam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FToI2ic4OHA&list=RDFToI2ic4OHA&start_radio=1&ab_channel=AhmedBarod

>>127241560
I've always felt that way about Solti.

>>127241533
yawn. butthurt your own wasn't "le own" you were expecting it to be? Are you going to spam off topic trash now?

>>127241814
You owned yourself earlier-I was just laughing at you

>>127241869
>You owned yourself
(You)

>>127241882
A fine cope discredited sister

>>127241899
Post more schizo sister

Why didn't Bach write any melodies? It's all just
Deedle deedle deedle deedle deedle duh duh
Deedle deedle deedle deedle deedle duh duh dah dah
Deedle deedle deedle deedle deedle duh duh

Did he just forget or was there another reason?

This is supposed to be Beethoven's most innovative composition. You may be listening to it right now. Does any of it actually grab you? I'm a jazz, metal, third-stream and classical composer of 27 years, and all I'm hearing is 'diddly diddly diddly RAAAA, tiddly tiddly pom, plonky-plonky-PLONK, plonky-plonky PLONK, diddly diddly diddly pom POM pom POM pom POMMMMM..' - does this stuff really relate to your deepest self?

>>127241937
are you deaf retarded or both

>>127241997
All three

>>127242010
smartest man on /mu/

>>127241997
Post a vocaroo of you singing 10 of Bach's melodies(the little fugue doesn't count) and they can't be cantatas or choral work

>>127241241
>early
Monteverdi
Sweelinck
Schütz

J. S. Bach
Rameau
F. Couperin
D. Scarlatti

>late
C. H. Graun
Hasse
Gluck

Honorable mention: Schmelzer, A. Krieger, Torelli

Bax

https://youtu.be/borgWgn4oQ4

>>127241930
What are rambling about now pseudointellectual sister?

Bonsoir!
Ravel - Gaspard de la nuit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aaAhrR4f9M

>>127242085
I give it a 3.6

Tchaikovsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4NpaY9ROnc

Where'd everyone go...Bingo?

>>127243343
Ballet class.

>>127243323
>Hiss
Dismiss(ed)

>>127243343
to get drunk

Schumann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fl8intRPwc

>>127241954
Which Beethoven composition does this refer to?

>>127243835
checked the pinned comment
https://youtu.be/dTbesxdLwo8

best Minimalism composers?

>>127244062
Arvo Pärt and that's it

>>127244072
i know him, i love Tabula Rasa, what are some of his other best works?

>>127244062
Charles Ives, Stravinsky, Ravel

>>127244062
Steve Reich
Philip Glass

>>127244148
Reich yes
Glass is a fraud

>>127244028
Is that really Beethoven's most innovative composition?

>>127244083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADNIh5GCV3M
This and the Passio are some of my favorites. I like this recording very much, so take this as a recommendation

>>127244102
How are any of them minimalists?

Are there any composers who have one piece that's unlike anything else they composed?

>>127244259
All great composers have at a few. Chopin's Berceuse (a lullaby) is proto-Debussy and quite different from rest of his catalogue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO9VYfDrcqM
Mainly because of repetitive left hand and texturally complex variations.
Prelude in A minor and finale of Funeral March sonata also come to mind.
Beethoven was becoming more and more avant garde as well. There's nothing like Grosse Fuge, not even within Beethoven's works.

>>127240890
I dunno, Bach appears far more versatile as a composer from my perspective compared to Haydn. I agree that excessive, unquestioning worship of anyone, including Bach, is unhealthy and intellectually lazy, but his music just seems deeper to me. I like Haydn a lot though, don't get me wrong; I recently learned the Gypsy Rondo for solo piano, and I'm really loving it, but he just seems kinda light compared to someone like Bach.

However, if you are a Haydn enthusiast, which I laud because the man deserves love and admiration, what is his most profound work? What work is to Haydn what the Passions and Mass in B Minor are to Bach? Based on what I've heard, Haydn is usually very fun, but he rarely rocks my world.

>>127240828
Alright, I'll check out the London Symphonies. Nice of you to narrow it down, since the man composed more than a hundred.

>>127241937
Bach is one of the greatest melodists, people just don't like bringing it up, since it seems unfair to some that one man is the best at pretty much everything. Bro was OP as fuck.

>>127244379
I disagree. He was A tier melodist, at most.
Some people really love to say that Bach was "muh great melodist", he wasn't even the best Baroque melodist, let alone best overall. Good, sure. Good is not the best.

>>127244259
Rossini instrumental works

>>127244425
>he wasn't even the best Baroque melodist
Who then? Handel?

>>127244472
yup.

>>127244473
too folky and schubert-like.

>>127244473
Understandable.
>>127244488
lol

interesting, this WTC I've been listening to performed by Roger Woodwind, just discovered he had three works dedicated to him by Iannis Xenakis, Keqrops (1986);Mistsfor solo piano (1980) and Paille in the Winds (1992).

https://panathinaeos.com/2010/06/04/j-s-bach-roger-woodward-the-well-tempered-clavier/

peep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sImJKn9lVgQ&list=OLAK5uy_lKr-TUmp_U035LIV5TCkrDSrzHTMfXePg&index=40

now playing

start of Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 1 in F Minor, Op. 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s3SJBkwZO4&list=OLAK5uy_lfnwkAJmKzxZI8m3GVXLP-XmptztLHy7Q&index=2

start of Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in G-Sharp Minor, Op. 19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeW2SzSYpTg&list=OLAK5uy_lfnwkAJmKzxZI8m3GVXLP-XmptztLHy7Q&index=5

start of Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 3 in F-Sharp Minor, Op. 23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8srm2mVvcM&list=OLAK5uy_lfnwkAJmKzxZI8m3GVXLP-XmptztLHy7Q&index=7

start of Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 4 in F-Sharp Major, Op. 30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSOXeAWT93I&list=OLAK5uy_lfnwkAJmKzxZI8m3GVXLP-XmptztLHy7Q&index=11

Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 5, Op. 53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sULLXUrpG4E&list=OLAK5uy_lfnwkAJmKzxZI8m3GVXLP-XmptztLHy7Q&index=12

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lfnwkAJmKzxZI8m3GVXLP-XmptztLHy7Q

>>127239799
Surprised no replies to this, there's a few pianists here after all.

>>127244705
wtf that knot

>>127244705
He looks like someone who plays Scriabin so that's a start

I completely agree with Glenn Gould on this.
https://vocaroo.com/1mrjSQ4NLGi8

>>127245249
I remember this strange half dream I had-it wasn't a proper dream, it was like a dream you get if you if you're not sleeping properly so it's like your conscious mind is more involved in the dream. Anyway in this dream I had trained an AI to perfectly replicate Glen Gould's voice and manner of speaking and I was using it to post vocaroos of him reading all the sisterposter's posts-so you had Glen Gould saying things like "An excellent point scriabincel" or calling recordings dogshit and so on

Captcha PRANK

>>127245241
I'm really liking it so far!

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcYMa-CM6AM&list=OLAK5uy_kpGa-_olVAv57MY6Mv4AhRSL2JrkHHjJI&index=1

>mfw bach on harpsichord

>>127241241
1. Bach
2. Marin Marais
3. Zelenka
4. St. Colombe
5. Scarlatti
6. Rebel
7. Vivaldi
8. L. Couerpin
9. Francois Couperin
10. Rameau

>>127245309

>>127244726
Thanks for noticing. I decided to go with C# major in case you're wondering, since the prelude sounds like August to me, so it seemed fitting. The fugue is already on day 1 much more hospitable than A minor Book 1 was after a week.

Wagner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt6DSyb7k8Q

why he's shaking si much?

>>127239799
isn't one of the E Minors for only two voices?

>>127244705
good overall set yeah

>>127232207 (OP)
Are you supposed to understand what it's about by seeing it

>>127246382
Almost

Steve Reich Octet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xEMBmS36f8&list=OLAK5uy_mQw4LN6ZUb8mSeAsNYCz7dp2XMz9opar0&index=3&ab_channel=SteveReich-Topic

>>127246388
Are you supposed to understand what it's about by listening to it?

>>127246064
was just his style of conducting

saloon slop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtjvtKRl6PM

>>127245344
?

>>127245344
that's mfw anon posts Bee-thoven instead of Baaa-ch

Post some bach on harpsichord

>>127247717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XivdGMOUek&list=OLAK5uy_kx73WLYOVpUKmQUjH55yJF7ZmVnVIy-FE&index=4

>>127244259
I don't much listen to nor like Wagner, but I recently found his early opera Das Liebesverbot. It was different from what I had heard from him before (and which I quite enjoyed). It doesn't feel as heavy as his most famous works.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BOKtHrrSor4&list=OLAK5uy_kAePmbAi4Cd9na9dGFSb3aWoKJ8GG4jsw&index=2

>[Fazil Say] sees the sonatas as "a sacred text for musicians" and Beethoven as "A revolutionary composer starting to create music 50 to 100 years ahead of it's time," adding that: "When we interpret a composer's work, we need to remain faithful to it. In other words, we need to feel like a composer. Compositions should be interpreted with the same freshness as a completely new piece of music that has just been created."

lol that last bit of quoted text seems contradictory.

>>127247788
Hey, that overture sounds a lot better than I remembered it being. Early Wagner's not so bad after all.

>>127247740
first-rate

has anyone heard this, is it a good set?

another week, another Beethoven piano sonatas cycle to try, this time François-Frédéric Guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8T_BEfy7LA&list=OLAK5uy_lV-AJqUmmN1p2sgexSyIjOlXK5zkyLEA8&index=3

I've heard a couple of other recordings by this... Guy, including Beethoven, Brahms, and Liszt, and they've all been quite good, characteristically French, so I'm excited to see how this turns out. They're all live performances too.

still in the backlog: Fazil Say, Gulda, Bavouzet
to revisit: Jonathan Biss

>>127248366
I haven't but looking at what's included
https://musicwebinternational.com/2024/11/faure-the-complete-works-erato/

seems fine enough. everyone here loves Collard's Faure, and there's a handful of other names and recordings I recognize in it that are fine

if you listen to a piece that doesn't sound right or good, come back here for a different recording suggestion and try that one out to find out if the issue is the composition or the performance you have

>>127248394
Is there a better alternative? Even if it means purchasing several different sets, I'm aware of the Eric Le Sage Chamber Works set and Lucas Debargue's solo piano collection. There's also the Complete Songs by Cyrille Dubois and Tristan Raës, and I could acquire the remaining pieces separately. Would that be a better choice?

>>127248418
and by "Purchasing" i meant """""Purchasing""""""

>>127248418
well, what's funny is the usual recommendation here is this earlier, smaller Erato set lol, of which there is a lot of overlap but some replacements too

point being, looks fine. the chamber works section looks good, piano is good, and those are the two most important parts. if you don't end up liking the Requiem you can always find another one later, yknow? so go for it

>>127248436
alright, thanks.

>>127245249
“Gould was a self-obsessed man with no understanding of historically informed performance practice”

now playing

start of Schumann: Piano Quartet in E Flat Major, Op.47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOGaKHA46w4&list=OLAK5uy_nH59lO1n1ai3j69ea037xwcVmRhn9_Ikc&index=2

start of Schumann: Piano Quintet in E Flat Major, Op.44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55N3VJE9CWo&list=OLAK5uy_nH59lO1n1ai3j69ea037xwcVmRhn9_Ikc&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nH59lO1n1ai3j69ea037xwcVmRhn9_Ikc

>Passion, precision, warmth, a gold blend: these are the trade- marks of this excellent Israeli string quartet. --The Times

>The Jerusalem Quartet are at the peak of their career, still youthful yet playing with the wisdom of 20 years' experience. In the Russian pianist Alexander Melnikov they have a collaborator of rare musical intelligence as well as virtuosity. Another award contender? I guess so. --The Observer

mahler4 morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIU8Yr70dzk&list=OLAK5uy_ktZuUgbyWNrSUvSU78cZWBGVHcqWUfULs&index=1

>In Gustav Mahler's first four symphonies many of the themes originate in his own settings of folk poems from the collection Des Knaben Wunderhorn (The Boy's Magic Horn). A case in point, Symphony No.?4 is built around a single song, Das himmlische Leben (The Heavenly Life) which Mahler had composed some eight years earlier, in 1892. The song presents a child's vision of Heaven and is hinted at throughout the first three movements. In the fourth, marked 'Sehr behaglich' (Very comfortably), the song is heard in full from a solo soprano instructed by Mahler to sing: 'with serene, childlike expression; completely without parody!' The symphony is scored for a typically large, late-romantic orchestra (though without trombones and tuba) and an extensive percussion section which includes sleigh bells as well as glockenspiel. However, Mahler mostly deploys his forces with a transparency and lightness more akin to chamber music or eighteenth-century models like Mozart or Haydn. The Fourth has become one of his best-loved symphonies and is here performed by Minnesota Orchestra and Osmo Vänskä, joined by the angelic voice of English soprano Carolyn Sampson.

>>127247810
not really. he's saying we should always play pieces as though it's our first time hearing them, instead of thinking "okay everyone has heard this before time to add my spin to it" and being overly eccentric/different while disregarding the score's intent

>>127249407
guess that makes sense, 'freshness' meaning being unburdened with historical interpretive baggage

the ideal
<----

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6fhliGMaCY&list=OLAK5uy_mybedClHEjpmqDbMJSIPiCV4cHB65WflY&index=27

>>127247810
Interpretation is irrelevant, thoughbeit.

can someone help me out? i'm going crazy

first, lemme say this: Backhaus' all-time great Beethoven piano sonatas cycle comes in at a brisk 9 hours total runtime(!), which is pretty nutty if you compare to others, which I was trying to do, looking at Brendel's 90s digital set which clocks in at just under 11 hours, a major difference -- that's the interesting part I wanted to post about

the thing I'm going crazy over is, when checking to make sure that significant gap in runtime wasn't due to additional tracks, I noticed it says the Brendel set has 104 videos in the set playlist and the Backhaus has 102. comparing both, it seems the Brendel set includes the Andante favori in F Major, WoO 57 -- okay, that's a difference of one -- where's the second, 104th video coming from!? I've compared both multiple times and I just can't see it. Is the Backhaus set missing a track, perhaps combining two movements into one? that's what I assumed but I can't find it! please help

Brendel's 90s set with 104 videos/songs
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lx60QvIaU6orQRORgzptS0AGzjg5whbDE

Backhaus' set with 102 videos/songs
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lERwjwx0bBOki3BE8CqdGpNXNOkgmTAcU

>>127249433
Damn, that sounds significantly better than Goode’s version.

>>127249468
>"thoughbeit" user is retarded
what a shock

>>127249576
It’s whatever,. I got dat street cred, boomer

>>127249571
Glad you like it! Goode is fantastic for what he is and if one is into that -- in summation, Beethoven played like Bach, for those obsessed with clarity and transparency -- but yeah, it's not for me, too mechanical and plain.

Tharaud's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewGeCxJk9lM&list=OLAK5uy_lCFYRO1f5vVAkJG7dckG8PnLQgJvq9TR8&index=11

Why were Haydn and Mozart's development sections so short in their symphonies and sonatas?

>>127249641
they knew that stuff was filler

>>127249644
I mean the development section is the main narrative point of interest. Mozart's music feels more like a collection of melodies than anything well thought out. Most classical period music does. Baroque period does it better by having their Binary Form B sections be lengthy developments without recapitulations and romantic period does it better by simply extending the development. Classical period is literally just tea party slop

>>127249641
Because development for them was only about building to the next them. With Beethoven, development gains importance and a life of its own, something to be enjoyed in itself.

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiDiPvuBzt0&list=PLtDC3LgB9tZiKQ97NanQzDyd2syzab25c&index=2

>>127249706
I mean the literal development section that happens after the exposition is complete. It often takes like 2 minutes at most in a 9 minute piece of music.

Development shouldn't be too long if themes are good and only the second theme should recapitulate

>>127232207 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79kdZCPnkxc

>>127249729
Why does that Japanese ‘girl’ have green eyes?

>>127249729
She was probably born with them

>>127250212
Was her father a passport bro?
https://youtu.be/jSGHZhxEyWo?si=Z_U4Tz9dzHlUnMy2

>>127250251
He probably looked like Karajan. KOEK!

Grieg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FIVqtBlFEM&list=OLAK5uy_kLx9lYcITLKg7BM4dd4YV_InA0uT9KEjY

Karajan's Haydn on this summer day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB0wKXIzWXo&list=OLAK5uy_n7otFtEH5lkWNCdeqP08Y7_Sq-HPxSOx4&index=1

>Haydn was not a pianist of any distinction, nor a very successful composer of instrumental concertos, but his piano sonatas--and there are more than 60 of them--are much finer than those of Mozart, who was one of his era's greatest keyboard virtuosos. The reason for this is simple. Mozart wrote his keyboard concertos for himself and his sonatas for students. Haydn, on the other hand, was constantly stimulated to write piano music for gifted amateurs, though in those days amateurs were often as good as the professionals, particularly women for whom a concert career was out of the question. --David Hurwitz

tru?

>>127250716
yep.

Haydn

https://youtu.be/j91R-7cqKTc?si=k5NZIJblvwP0MRP9

I've got that feeling like there's something I'm really in the mood to listen to, but I'm not sure what it is, like there's a composer I've forgotten about or something, and once I remember or figure it out it's gonna hit the spot so good. Strauss' Alpine Symphony or Ein Heldenleben? Hmm, that's not it. Vaughan Williams' symphonies? Not quite... Elgar's chamber music? Not bad, but no... Beethoven's string quartets or piano trios? nah... Debussy's piano music? Nope... damn it. It'll come to me, I hope

>>127250716
We need critics of music critics.

Franck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG8AfEJfF4M&list=OLAK5uy_kpMrb_OooS1Q3lKCxWN6zzuVnduK_sTu8&index=4

>>127249433
too slow

>>127250859
Chopin

>>127250716
Anyone who doesn't like Mozart's sonatas is gay and hurwitz is a fat jew who is also gay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QEZaBpo_k

My partner, who's African-American.

>>127250716
>and there are more than 60 of them
Oh of course there were Jesus

>>127250859
Maybe you left the oven on?

>>127251757
If you want just the highlights, this disc has his best pieces for piano in a single place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXCrTzZsIs&list=OLAK5uy_lLZLxGl4aUeVtbolQO2-xvrWQspzcCQgE&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NaHEEQeZuA&list=RD8NaHEEQeZuA&start_radio=1 and the 42nd sonata is just lovely

Is Haydn basically a classical period composer with a baroque composer's work ethic?

:OOOO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWN18ZoqzGs

is this what they play in heaven???

>>127251757
Plus it doesn't help that a lot of the best complete sets aren't even in order, so one can't just listen to all of the sonatas above x number so easily -- you press play on X:36 and then it's followed by an early X:19 then X:47 then X:23 or some nonsense like that. Small issue to be sure but it's just enough to tip the scales in making me go, "yeah, I'll come back to all this later"

>>127252230
In hell they play either a Hiss recording of Bach's cello suites or a hiss recording of anything by Brahms

>>127251900
Big papa Mahler had the right idea-just write 10 or so good compositions

Ugorskaja's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th7F44TQda8&list=OLAK5uy_kbhHSbqBix_nuXESX9f_oA4GcBbdwDWMU&index=34

>>127232207 (OP)
My nigger Christmas Adagio Karajan

now playing

start of Chopin: Piano Concerto No. 1 in E Minor, Op. 11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qBw-uM8pk8&list=OLAK5uy_lj_38lKeYJyJGkIvw-UpYOOFKgwPE5OZU&index=2

start of Chopin: Piano Concerto No. 2 in F Minor, Op. 21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJtjQV8o04I&list=OLAK5uy_lj_38lKeYJyJGkIvw-UpYOOFKgwPE5OZU&index=5

Chopin: 4 Mazurkas, Op. 17 - Mazurka No. 13 in A minor Op. 17 No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYZXy_sIpkI&list=OLAK5uy_lj_38lKeYJyJGkIvw-UpYOOFKgwPE5OZU&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lj_38lKeYJyJGkIvw-UpYOOFKgwPE5OZU

>". . . one of the most finely honed pianists of his generation . . . The playing itself is full of flair and charm . . . [and] sparkles with wit and character. With brisk tempos he conveys both serious intent and huge enjoyment, giving the music shape and driving momentum . . . this is a young man's view of a young man's music. Do hear him." -- BBC Music Magazine, London, December 2008 (CD review)

Liszt was a marine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW5J3bVEmW8&list=RDsW5J3bVEmW8&start_radio=1&ab_channel=AndreiCristianAnghel

I often Fantasiaacise about Yuja Wang(s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LX9AdNeB2o&list=RD_LX9AdNeB2o&start_radio=1&ab_channel=YujaWang-Topic

>>127252730
heh

>gunter wand's bruckner
LOL

>>127246323
Indeed, E minor Book 1. I have played that one, really fun piece. Some teachers say it's stretching the definition of a fugue, since it only has two voices and few of the characteristics one associates with fugues. No stretto, no contrary motion, no canons, it even has parallel octaves for two entire bars. It arguably has more resemblance to an allegro from the Italian concerto grosso form than a fugue, similar to the preludes from the English suites.

Still a really cool piece. The subject is so whacky.

let's get neo-romantic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BR04065X-Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1NshLzlshE&ab_channel=RyanPower

When I listen to this I picture myself running naked through the undergrowth in a forest chasing something. Maybe I'm wearing shoes

Arvo Pärt - Cantus in memoriam Benjamin Britten
Lately I've been enjoying his music very much, especially the choral pieces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMF2C2-zcWM

I feel tired and a little bit sad tonight

>>127253819
Sometimes I feel very sad

where da russian violin sonatas at, come on

>>127253976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOyQ2wmzik8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4nBxch0tU

>>127254154
bix nood

any Buxtehude on piano?

>>127254164
I don't think I have ever heard buxtehude on piano

I find there to be kind of magic in Philip Glasses work. The certain combination of instruments is very nostalgic sounding to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKdUMNdUHBo&ab_channel=kademan13

>>127254164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK37B3gTGxc&list=OLAK5uy_lvHRFXVRrZ5X1XGmOF_i-wcH9Q04-Zr20&index=2

>>127254203
Hay it works
Repeated notes work better on piano than harpsichord, tho not as good as on strings

now playing

start of Liszt: Harmonies poétiques et religieuses III, S. 173 (Adam Tendler)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE42ZKQbT3o&list=OLAK5uy_n8-qgOfo_zkoTL_BOOekZT6zhm6BsHmYU&index=2

Liszt: Harmonies poétiques et religieuses III, S. 173: No. 2, Ave Maria (Jenny Lin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFFNm8_eLpc&list=OLAK5uy_n8-qgOfo_zkoTL_BOOekZT6zhm6BsHmYU&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n8-qgOfo_zkoTL_BOOekZT6zhm6BsHmYU

A split duo performance of Liszt's Harmonies poétiques et religieuses by Adam Tendler and Jenny Lin, an interesting release.

what's the best 1-4 set of Rachmaninoff's piano concertos? Wang/Dudamel? Ashkenazy/Haitink? Vasary/Ahronovitch? Wild/Horenstein? Hough/Litton? Trifonov/Nezet-Seguin? Ashkenazy/Previn? pic that I just found of Lisitsa/Francis?

>Ukranian-born pianist Valentina Lisitsa became a YouTube sensation a few years ago by uploading her entire self-produced album of Chopin Études onto the site. It was not long after she mortgaged her home to hire the London Symphony Orchestra for this Rachmaninov project that Decca took notice of her, and signed her to a multi-album contract.

!!!

holy based

Scarlatti
https://youtu.be/W67_igJdI5Y

best Bruckner 5, 7,8 & 9?

>>127255290
Sinopoli or Karajan
Giulini or Karajan
Giulini or Karajan or Maazel
Giulini or Karajan

>>127255290
>5
Sinopoli
>7
Poschner
>8
Barenboim (with Berlin, though I prefer his adagio with the Staatskapelle)
>9
François-Xavier Roth

>>127255407
ew

liking scarlatti is just for contrarians because bach is too popular for them.

change my mind

>>127255673
shut the fuck up

>>127255290
Kna
Kabasta

>>127255290
Wand. The answer is always Wand.

people who like their melodies clearly stretched out and slowed shouldn't opine on Bruckner

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>>127252230
G-d doesn’t hear interpretation.

>>127256159
my only complaint about Bruckner is that he didn't write more music.

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