Thread 127256700

Krebs Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLlywNpIZU

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition.

Previous: >>127232207

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

>>127256733
It’s unnecessary junk.

>>127256771
No, it's not.

>>127256793
Every single person who engages with this general has heard classical music before.
Go massage a donkey’s ass.

Krebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbq7mjuj_N4

>>127256807
The solution to a paste with bad links is to improve it. Obnoxious highhandedness will get you nowhere.

>>127256842
You have no cards.

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj7ArU7DkpA

>>127256863
Neither do you, newfag. Everyone's an anon here.

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOrMwoHWcxg&list=OLAK5uy_kZPlYu0U64Zysh6UbWviayzFAA_A2S1_w&index=9

>>127256873
The thread is made. You have no cards. As for future threads…I am just not going to put your links in OP. You snooze, you lose.

>>127256873
Just remember: (You) are here forever.

>>127256912
I won't have to wait long but in the meantime I hope you're enjoying your summer vacation.

Scarlatti is peak cringe

Bach
The Secular Cantatas Vol. 1-5 (Masaaki Suzuki)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk3jxwKQESA

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvDDzX7uy2k

>>127256873
>hates newfags
>wants to tailor the thread to newfags

>>127257114
Where did I say I hated newfags?

*27257120
Get thee to a mental asylum

>>127257138
I'm not the one angry about some free downloads in the OP.

>>127257177
Krebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERmM9AC-Ce4

>>127256771
you're unnecessary junk
it's useful for newfrens

I am going to build a gorilla nest in the sister poster’s house and throw a banana at him every time he says ‘Sister’.

Krebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJq_yEE10kg

Krebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFroHepz2Ls

Krebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRNmA97aAtI

Krebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adcgkljXDds

Another Hammerklavier. This one is Jed Distler's favorite. It's exceedingly rare, and I had to purchase it for a pretty penny since it's been out of print for decades.
>For my favorite modern recording of the Hammerklavier, I always cite a recording made in the mid 1980s by Peter Serkin for the Pro Arte label. Peter Serkin takes Beethoven's metronome markings pretty much on faith and he does so with the utmost ease; his playing is light, jazzy and whimsically inflected with an underlying nervous energy that just keeps you off balance. It's not the granitic monumental type of Hammerklavier that his father Rudolph Serkin favored, and Peter Serkin just swings like a maniac. It remains such a vital, fresh, and unusual yet utterly compelling interpretation.
-Jed Distler
https://litter.catbox.moe/bwxgq3ufihy8917q.zip

Bachish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xje4OYalB5Q

Krebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVbUVz-uPKw

Liszt - Sonetto 104 del Petrarca, S. 161, No. 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnkVjsvdyoM&list=RDW7WpjF2VILE&index=4&ab_channel=musicanth

>>127256700 (OP)
In your opinion, in all of classical and opera, what is the...
>most dramatic sounding music
>most bombastic music
>most "heavy metal sounding" music (other than Mars, Bringer of War) or just heaviest sounding in general
>most emotionally intense music
>best oratorio
We'll exclude anything by Wagner though, because I know all his stuff.

What's some classical or opera with really weird or unconventional instruments (or even outright non-instruments)? Think Wellington's Victory or something like that.

>>127258084
Iron foundry music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-yl4aI6xzU&ab_channel=RoyalConcertgebouwOrchestra-Topic

>>127258132
Which one of those is it supposed to fit?

Krebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJcOhJ6wcRI

Wagner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ojhx-cFsJw

>>127258392
Wagner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hn55apMC78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd63y1xbkUc

>>127258084
>most dramatic sounding music
the storm music from Strauss' Alpine symphony
>most bombastic music
not sure
>most "heavy metal sounding" music (other than Mars, Bringer of War) or just heaviest sounding in general
Verdi's Dies Irae
>most emotionally intense music
Adagio from Bruckner's 7th
>best oratorio
Handel's Messiah

>>127258114
Anvils in Das Rheingold

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyzbxpOi8Do

>>127258084
Ignore the Mumbai morons who responded to you, the most heavy metal classical is Grieg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P01EqXn7mik

>>127258998
fuck off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVVWe9gQdrI

>>127258084
>>most dramatic sounding music
Beethoven Appassionata
>>most bombastic music
Mahler 6th
>>most "heavy metal sounding" music (other than Mars, Bringer of War) or just heaviest sounding in general
Scriabin Sonata no.9
>>most emotionally intense music
Chopin Ballade no.4
>>best oratorio
St. Matthew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIpOzPaQoSg&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD&t=2249

>>127258084
>>127259036
>>>most emotionally intense music
Rach 2 too

>>127259014
Not classical, my subcontinental friend

>>127259076
>anyone who disagrees with me is brown.

what the fuck is your problem?

>>127259076
>>127259108
Not sure what's goin on here, but metal is a brown genre, sorry.

>>127259113
I was replying to a poster that asked for metal sounding classical music. Hate the question, not the replies.

>>127259108
Grieg is Proto-Varg

>>127259143
Grieg would have called Varg white trash.

>/classical/ invaded by lowbrows
End times.

>>127259174
seethe harder. /classical/ is a Pachelbel and after and Reger and before general.

>>127259174
Um, we identify as Philistines…

>>127259217
Incorrect.
Late Beethoven and after
Late Wagner and before.

bait should be believable.

>>127259217
Tits and ass size category?

>>127259272
aristocrats tend to be faggots therefore tits and ass are low-brow.

>>127259290
Explain precisely the relevance of aristocrats to that chart.

>>127259315
the upper class i.e. the aristocracy is usually assumed to be high-brow.

>>127259250
What's wrong with that collection of records?

>>127259328
Are all high-brows aristocrats?

>>127259345
you seem unfamiliar with the concept of venn diagrams.

>>127259361
he's autistic. don't reply to him.

What's the closest classical to dark ambient?

>>127259402
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sj5wq4EIRg&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD

>>127256159
Hey, I withheld my recommendations and love of Celibidache!

>>127257496
Awesome, thank you as always.

>This one is Jed Distler's favorite. It's exceedingly rare, and I had to purchase it for a pretty penny since it's been out of print for decades.
Are you sure he isn't running some sort of racket here? He probably sold you the copy at the high markup!

Rach Sonata 2: original, revised, or Horowitz mix? What is your choice?

>>127259484
What do you think of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hkr_0crFFU&list=OLAK5uy_nJ7LXFs0YTShQomsjbeuXWacHnJxJoBLc&index=5

speaking of Rachmaninoff's piano sonatas, now playing

start of Rachmaninoff: Piano Sonata No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf6w9Xcsihc&list=OLAK5uy_nb2lu54kExill1Q0mB2EqkaNkvD3hLyv0&index=2

start of Rachmaninoff: Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vun2sLLClHw&list=OLAK5uy_nb2lu54kExill1Q0mB2EqkaNkvD3hLyv0&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nb2lu54kExill1Q0mB2EqkaNkvD3hLyv0

>>127259484
Original because more Rachmaninoff is always better.

>>127259512
>>127259552
Listening!
Yevgeny Sudbin has the Horowitz version and it's pretty gud.
>>127259570
Fair.

>>127259512
lol harsh

>>127259592
I've actually been digging a few Sudbin recordings lately (ex. his Scarlatti and Scriabin), just added some of his Beethoven and that too, thanks.

recommend me something to listen to, anything.

>>127259918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCp5XC2rsEM

Krebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjaBewjS5Lg

>>127259918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xQodIz01s&list=OLAK5uy_lgVzHhxfdv3NXjHGu_2cb1jEuh7RdahIQ&index=33

Bach and before. Nothing after.

>>127260107
I was listening to this set earlier today. I found the performance of the first piano concerto a little too... lightweight for my tastes.

the counter-melodies iron maiden write btfo any classical or romantic piece. Iron maiden is classical music with shitty filler motifs. Meat and potatoes and good for the heart and soul. Better than bach (too simple and obligatory) or wagner (too dramatic and bloated)

>>127260204
>with shitty
i meant to say without.

>>127260193
I think it has great sonics and performance is top tier in 2, 3, 4. I actually don't know if I listened to 1st from that set. Buniatishvili has bad sonics which I realized after a while.
>>127260204
not sure what this has to do with /classical/ maybe try >>>/mu/ instead tastelet sister?

>>127260241
>not sure what this has to do with /classical/ maybe try >>>/mu/ instead tastelet sister?
not an argument

>>127260249
not sure what this has to do with /classical/ maybe try >>>/mu/ instead lowbrow sister?

>>127260253
>>127260249

>>127260258
>>127260253

>Top 5 Scarlatti sonatas

Kk. 364
Kk. 232
Kk. 87
Kk. 4
Kk. 2

Each of these is superior to anything Bach ever wrote.

>>127260249
I am going to build a gorilla nest in your attic and throw bananas at you whenever you say the s-word.

>>127260262
>>127260249

>>127260204
I used to think iron gayden was cool when I was little with no musical experience too

>>127257164
certainly on the money as far as saint-saens and debussy is concerned

>>127260241
Do you think it's the best overall set? see: >>127254841

>>127260300
babies listen to bach, schubert or mozart not iron maiden lmao

>>127260317
I do. Along with Abbey Simon/Slatkin. These 2 are my faves.

>>127260326
It's the IQ meme in action, low IQ (babies) and high IQ listen to classical, the midwit listens to pop.

>>127260340
Ah. I think I'll always have a soft spot for Ashkenazy/Haitink because it's the set I started with and the only one I had for years. Even just looking at the cover makes me happy.

Also why did Haitink record the piano concertos but not the symphonies? Lame.

>>127260348
>errrrrhhhhhmmmmmmm muh bell curve
sorry but that's just a cope. You listen to lame baby music and maiden will forever mog. Keep seething

>>127260356
Listening to Haitink set now, I like it too but my preference mainly comes down to tempo choices between all these top quality recordings. Haitink/Ashkenazy is a bit slow, much like Richter's recording, sometimes it feels bit like a drag, sometimes it just hits the spot. So depends on thr mood too. Ashkenazy also has recordings with Kondrashin but I didn't like that one at all.

>>127260326
>>127260376
not sure what this has to do with /classical/ maybe try >>>/mu/ instead lowbrow sister?

>>127260419
>>127260249

>>127260429
>>127260419

>>127260430
>>127260249

Thoughts?
I like his 9th a lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOxIPHRcNlw

>>127260405
>Haitink/Ashkenazy is a bit slow, much like Richter's recording, sometimes it feels bit like a drag, sometimes it just hits the spot.
I feel that. I suppose I just prefer that grand, robust sound, which is funny because according to what little I've read on it, Rachmaninoff himself preferred the taut, lean, and fast approach for his own music.

>>127260437
>>127260419

>>127260443
I thought Rach was playing too fast and it was hard to process and enjoy all the harmonies in such short intervala, but I've changed my mind over time, faster is almost always better. 19th century pianists played crazy fast, and for good reasons

>>127260443
I thought Rach was playing too fast and it was hard to process and enjoy all the harmonies in such short intervals, but I've changed my mind over time, faster is almost always better. 19th century pianists played crazy fast, and for good reasons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX6PXkqOr0Y

>>127260452
yawn

>>127260481
/spit

>>127260489
/punches is you in the mouth and bruises your lips

>>127260499
>t.

How come Scriabin preludes are so hard to enjoy? I love all the sonatas, most etudes etc. But Preludes are almost always boring.

>>127260503
hell yeah. Walk on home boy

>>127260499
You won’t do shit

>>127260546
you think I can't throw down? step outside and put your dukes up.

>>127260526
Really? I find them immediately appealing. Now, certain poemes and the like can be a bit stilted, but yeah, I love his preludes.

>>127260551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXna1a-806Q

continuing with François-Frédéric Guy's Beethoven piano sonatas cycle, vol. 2

No. 15, "Pastorale"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGhWzzIbDXY&list=OLAK5uy_kEDm5WlZwQqrfQB8L_wIUaKx4fh--f65I&index=2

No. 21, "Waldstein"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdtiyqzOgm8&list=OLAK5uy_kEDm5WlZwQqrfQB8L_wIUaKx4fh--f65I&index=10

No. 23, "Appassionata"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4onIqn8qB1E&list=OLAK5uy_kEDm5WlZwQqrfQB8L_wIUaKx4fh--f65I&index=22

No. 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAyUmxz4KeM&list=OLAK5uy_kEDm5WlZwQqrfQB8L_wIUaKx4fh--f65I&index=30

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kEDm5WlZwQqrfQB8L_wIUaKx4fh--f65I

just the most known of the sonatas in this vol., there's more included in this live performance cycle. Great for those looking for something different! I'm not quite sure how I'd describe Guy's overall approach to these sonatas, but on the whole I'm liking them

Krebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br74vyYZw3s

>>127260152
Fine, I'll bite. My knowledge of pre-Bach classical is severely lacking, so gimme a list of composers to check out please and I'll give them a serious dive in the coming days.

>>127260573
>yippie-kai yai-yay
>I'm glory bound
>no more jingle jangle
>I'll put my guns down

Who the fuck is this Krebs obsessed nufaggot and what does he want

>>127260720
I have many names, friend.
Purcell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NevapMVyjSQ

now playing

start of Beethoven: Trio for piano, violin and cello No. 6 in E Flat Major, No. 2, Op. 70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gJPV4c9OSw&list=OLAK5uy_mDedlbb89ouZWPv6G4xb6v3XInhDGEeV4&index=2

start of Beethoven: Trio for piano, violin and cello No. 7 in B Flat Major, Op. 97, "Archduke"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vaajQuxuG8&list=OLAK5uy_mDedlbb89ouZWPv6G4xb6v3XInhDGEeV4&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDedlbb89ouZWPv6G4xb6v3XInhDGEeV4

>It’s not just that ideal balance between the instruments, so faithfully caught by the Harmonia Mundi engineers, which makes this new recording so recommendable. The three performers combine so well that although they aren’t a ‘regular’ trio with a name, they have played together often enough, as in the Faust/Melnikov series of the complete Beethoven Violin Sonatas and in Schubert - review - to ensure that this glorious free-wheeling performance is likely to become my listening choice in future, perhaps even in preference to the Beaux Arts and Florestan Trios. I’ve been very sparing recently in nominating Recordings of the Month but this transport of delight certainly constitutes one such. ---- Brian Wilson

also

>In fact all the instruments here are period: the fortepiano is a restored 1828 Graff, the violin a 1704 Strad (‘Sleeping Beauty’) and the cello a Cappa from 1696.

:o

been too long since I last listened to Beethoven's Archduke. Might spend the next couple days searching out and listening to several recordings of it, preferably modern and recent, to enjoy it from as many wonderful perspectives as possible.

>>127260641
Things 1 and 2 (one of whom is the sister poster) have adhd and wouldn’t be able to finish that.

now playing

start of Brahms: Piano Trio No. 1 in B Major, Op. 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVZUXqE3Ia4&list=OLAK5uy_nZFGvNd9uXxNqhonNvJZDmv4f8VbGH06k&index=2

start of Beethoven: Piano Trio No. 7 in B-Flat Major, Op. 97 "Archduke"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xFcd9ODqf4&list=OLAK5uy_nZFGvNd9uXxNqhonNvJZDmv4f8VbGH06k&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nZFGvNd9uXxNqhonNvJZDmv4f8VbGH06k

>André Previn has spent so much of his time doing things like conducting orchestras and writing operas that we can easily forget he is also a fine pianist. No part-time player should be able to handle Brahms's difficult writing this well, but he does. Where any of these busy musicians gets the time to rehearse performances like these is a mystery, but both pieces have obviously been absorbed thoroughly and the ensemble plays like a full-time group. This coupling makes a particularly useful introduction to the Piano Trio medium for beginners, but even those who know both pieces inside-out will find a lot to appreciate in these performances. --Leslie Gerber

Previn, Mullova, and H. Schiff? now there's an all-star cast

>>127260820
The boomers keep yapping about the same few composers for, like, a decade.

>>127260830
Yes, they are still waiting for Beethoven to ‘click’

Krebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOLL6YOSljs

>>127260856
they're totally into Wagner and Scriabin. who even is Scriabin tho? I vibe with this Krebs guy

>>127260830
>>127260856
>calls others boomers
>listens to and enjoys the organ and harpsichord
Anon, I...

Also Beethoven's music is instantly gratifying, pleasurable to both the most unsophisticated brute on up to those with the utmost cultivation, though of course there are secrets and connections available only to those who spend time discovering all of its subtlety and surveying its architecture in all its splendor and complexity and harmonious wonder, but I digress.

>>127260876
Scriabin was a Russian madman with a god complex. After his death, his novelty quickly forgotten; you can safely ignore him. The anons only like him because they admire how he was a pedophile who groomed teenagers.

>>127260887
boomers were vibin' to the Beatles, not the harpsichord, unc

>>127260912
These niggas got sugar4ngrr in da tank, Unc

4nggr was the Captcha. Oops

>>127260946
>>127260999
Yes, they are pederasts.

And the sister poster is a tyranny

>>127260912
>The anons only like him because they admire how he was a pedophile who groomed teenagers.
Damn. Is this how classicuck and boreque fags cope with being filtered by Scriabin?

>>127261043
Yep.
Reminds me of a song…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ZD7rNb_EA

Can the krebs obsessed anon give me some composers with 20+ movements that I can appreciate that might not be well known?

>>127261175
Surly Joe!

>>127260772
>deller
thanks for making me vomit

https://youtu.be/Vz8uFugb1MY
I recently listened to this and really enjoyed it. What other Asian or "non-Western" classical music should I check out?

Beethoven objective symphony rankings

8 > 4 > 2 > 1 > 6 > 9 > 7 > 3

>>127261930
7 is his best

>>127262004
Wrong, Beethoven himself said the 8th symphony is much better than the seventh symphony

Bruckner
Mozart
Bach

>>127261930
>4, 2, 1
Damn dude, what what is this horrid bait.

>>127262222
Low IQ: Middle beethoven
Midwit IQ: Late Beethoven
High IQ: Early beethoven

3 > 8 > 7 > 9 > 5 > 6 >>> 4 > 2 > 1

>>127262233
Now put that backwards and it is true, 3 is worst beethoven symphony by a mile. Move 8 to the front tho

>>127262233
Nice ranking of Mahler's symphonies dude

low IQ here, how do i get into classical music, most of it is just sounds

>>127262243
>>127262261
Retards.

Bruckner Symphonies
3 > 9 > 1 > 4 > 7=8 > 2 > 5 - 1 = 6

>>127262348
Repeated listenings. Full attention to the music. Start with Beethoven sonatas (Waldstein, Appassionata, Tempest) and try different recordings. If you have good attention span it'll click fast and you'll love it.

>>127262399
i need symphonies, piano too sil3nt on it's owne

>>127262396
8 > 5 > 7 > 6 > 9 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1

>>127262406
Then start with Beethoven's Eroica symphony (Kletzki), then 7th, 5th and the rest. Again, repeated listenings etc.

>>127262348
People like you will benefit from listening to multiple different recordings of the same piece. You should focus on collecting as many different recordings as possible, while reading reviews so that other people can spoon-feed you. Don’t focus on the structure of the music; focus on judging what sounds best. Make sure to collect the album artwork and paste everything here so that you can have something to refer back to.

>>127261072
KOEK!

>>127260441
It's probably the best stereo set of Scriabin sonatas on the whole.
>>127260473
There's a really good talk about this by Dereck Cooke that I've been meaning to reupload - he goes into all sorts of details about the "golden age" of pianism, and their style and playing, and how they were not only able to play fast, but do so with upmost control and ease.

>>127262585
>>127262460
this is all too much work, it's overloading my brain, i'll just listen to Iron Maiden instead.

>>127260441
no one here talks about Zhukov's Scriabin but he was always known as one of his best interpreters.

>>127262396
5 - 1 equals 4!!

>>127256818
>>127256872
>>127257466
>>127257475
>>127258042
>Hapsburg funded circus music starts playing

>>127259045
Livin' alone
I think of all the friends I've known
But when I dial the telephone
Nobody's home

>>127262585
hey! >:(

>>127262638
>>127262647
Yeah I don't think there's a better 9th out there, even Sofranitsky was meh. I'll dive into his cycle more now.
>>127262642
not sure what this has to do with /classical/ maybe try >>>/mu/ instead tastelet sister?

>>127263059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmt37B6RU3Q&list=OLAK5uy_lfnwkAJmKzxZI8m3GVXLP-XmptztLHy7Q&index=16

>>127261834
Takashi Yoshimatsu

>>127262638
>It's probably the best stereo set of Scriabin sonatas on the whole.
what is the best mono one?

>>127263059
I like Sofronitsky's 1958 9th quite a bit, the problem is that the piano sounds incredibly distorted in that recording and the dynamics are all messed up, so you don't really get a good portrait of his Scriabin playing without imagining some things. As can heard in his recordings where the microphones were actually setup well, he can be an extraordinary Scriabin interpreter.

Be sure to give Richter's Warsaw recital a shot as well. It has some of the best Scriabin playing on record. Including a stellar 5th and 9th. That recording has some pretty weird stereo balancing, which I did my best to correct in post.
https://litter.catbox.moe/3uklzemvy34wgyo1.zip

I think it's also worth hearing some earlier Horowitz. He has a very unique, very breathless approach to the music but his sense of control and litheness gives it a wispy quality that I always appreciate hearing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2KrSCxgATk&list=OLAK5uy_n_luror8DbKMwQyFORiWwDfjLfDHD094c&index=48
>>127263086
I guess I kind of misspoke. I don't think there is a mono cycle. There are bleeding chunks of excellent mono recordings, though.

best Medtner sonata recordings?

Lortie!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3wT1ihzvfk&list=OLAK5uy_k35_klK4PO4hu84Cf2o9AMansUk5AykG4&index=1

>>127263166
can't go wrong with Hamelin

B.

>>127263536
Bomb?

Chopin is too mannered, too delicate, too effete.

>>127263536
Another porky looking German boy

>>127263536
Bruch?

>>127263747
shut up 'tard, Chopin's music is perfection.

>>127263747
>>127263786
The greatest piano music is Bruckner arrangements

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOB7zir8-ZE

Chopin just can't compete

B.

>>127263789
You shouldn't play music on instruments for which it wasn't originally composed.

>>127263838
Bruckner's own arrangement, every choice made is canon

>>127263848
oh

>>127263789
>27 minutes
lmfao

>>127263859
So true low attention span chopincel

>>127263838
Most of Bruckner's symphonies got first performed in their piano arrangements before they ever got performed with the original orchestras that he asked for. Orchestras are spensive, even Beethoven's symphonic output was mostly expierenced on the piano for most of history before recording technology came to be commonplace and people could hear orchestras at home

>>127256700 (OP)
Went to the US premiere of Gaia Theory by Jonathan Dove. It's a symphonic poem I guess? Author or program never specified and it was not obvious to me what else it could be. In any case I liked third movement the most, the ending was more impressive than what's in the recording. Also I felt that early parts of the third movement borrowed from Bartok's Piano concerto №3 (last Allegro vivace movement specifically). The piece is supposed to represent the sounds of the earth, but I felt composer focused too much on less tonal part of the Earth repertoire so to say. A lot of Earth and nature sounds are quite tonal and harmonic (birds, a lot of animal sounds in general, sea, wind). And granted, percussion and atonal things also happen but they are not a totality of Earth sounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcKLn5MZ6HA

https://www.wisemusicclassical.com/work/68312/Gaia-Theory--Jonathan-Dove/

Stick to Liszt folks

Why’d that post get deleted?

Real classical wouldn't say it like that. This some ai

>>127264693
Are you the brother of Mike J Nelson?

>>127264744
Sounds queer. No.

>>127264756
He’s your brother all the same

>>127264769
Son, I'm 81 years old

best recording of complete Reger organ works?

Thomas Tallis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI5Y9l2NHIo

I have been reading Paul Griffith's A Concise History of Western Music today. Very enjoyable! Good night, everyone!

>>127256987
No u

>>127263786
I, too, enjoy anime and video game music!

>>127264533
Neat, thank you.

feels like a good day for Bach's French Suites
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqwJElaSy9o&list=OLAK5uy_mvLc6In66M2fAhsJ7PbK_QYINBNPxJLOU&index=21

>>127265834
kek

but rude and untruthful and philistine

Occasionally I see a recording by one Claudio Colombo, whose name sticks with me because it's a catchy stagename, and today I considered giving one of his recordings a try, so I decided to google him first and see what he's all about, what others think of him, and saw this post on another site,
>Apple Music Classical needs to stop promoting Claudio Colombo’s recordings as “popular”
>Claudio Colombo, according to available information online, records pieces at a slower tempo and then uses computer programs to get to the right tempo. The resulting music is utterly devoid of phrasing, dynamics, rubato, and emotion. While it is an applaudable effort to bring under-recorded pieces to life, there is no reason to list his recordings as a “popular” choices for pieces with hundreds of recordings.

digitally manipulated recordings!? scum

>It gets a little ludicrous when you see his computer-assisted recording of his own piano arrangement of pieces like Beethoven’s Quartet No. 13 listed as more popular than that by a professional string quartet. I don’t know Apple’s algorithm for ranking popularity, but the number of albums an artist has released seems to be included, which made Colombo’s recordings consistently listed as “popular”. They really need to fix that. I refuse to believe the average ear would prefer his recordings over that by Ashkenazy for Chopin’s Etudes.

S to Spit on this Colombo character
S
S
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i kneel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K3uCUko7rc&list=OLAK5uy_lX5lX8YZNMMdzhQ57wXKw37Fab5j3Mg1Y&index=1

>>127265919
I would be mad but sometimes performers are so arrogant and eccentric that fake midi performances are the only accurate ones available at all

>>127265951
I kneel and fall asleep immediately, you mean

>>127262228
higher iq: no beethoven

>>127266183
He's got an eccentric Scriabin cycle too

>>127262073
and he was wrong

>>127261930
3 > 9 > 6 > 8 > 7 > 5 > 4 > power gap > 2 > 1

>>127266178
There's legitimate interpretations for all flavors, anon. Fraud and digital assistance under the guise of human performance should never be rewarded. I'm reporting all of his recordings. Or at least I should.

all of you guys not ranking Beethoven's 9th first are kidding or being contrarian, right? or do you guys rank his 7th string quartet above his 14th and 24th piano sonata over the Hammerklavier too?

>>127266263
i haven't contributed to the rankings yet, but i wouldn't rank his 9th first either. i find the transition to the choral section really gauche and disharmonious. there's no sense of balance to the whole. the 4th movement should have been a separate, stand-alone piece.

>>127266336
So true tasteless retard sister

Bearbaiting?! What sort of sick post modernist piece is this?

>>127264985
rosalinde haas

>>127266336
There's a certain classical restaint thats missing

>>127266389
it's just not a coherent piece of music. each movement would have worked better as a stand-alone piece.

>>127266423
it only seems that way because it's so magnificent it's basically overflowing the symphonic form

>>127258084
I would say Mars is the most bombastic rather than sounding the most like heavy metal

>>127266263
It's mad, the Hammerklavier isn't the best though

>>127266251
>There's legitimate interpretations for all flavors
after an accuracy-striving, "basic" interpretation is available first, sure. otherwise the "real" piece risks being lost to eccentric interpretations (it pisses me off that the most popular recording of the Siegfried Idyll is Celibidache's slow-as-molasses one. Poor piece...)
>Fraud and digital assistance under the guise of human performance should never be rewarded
sure he should admit they aren't real, but did you know the ONLY recording of Mozart's sonata for 2 pianos in D "played" on a piano, in stereo and taking all repeats, is by him (or rather his machine)? you don't really have an alternative if you want to listen to the full piece with a modern "piano" sound, as every other piano performance ignores the repeat, and the ones that don't are performed on a harpsichord or twangy fortepiano. so by this point I just find the existence of these fake performances an important jab at performers if nothing else.

*If you want to listen to a piano performance of the mentioned sonata with all repeats you can check the vastly superior performance by Neuhaus. Unfortunately, it is in poor mono sound

>>127266263
audiences and conductors alike have frequently ranked both the 3rd and 9th as his best. there's nothing contrarian about ranking the 3rd over the 9th at all, they're both equally as valid picks.

>>127266617
>(it pisses me off that the most popular recording of the Siegfried Idyll is Celibidache's slow-as-molasses one. Poor piece...)
there's no way that's true

>>127266617
Everyone plays the Goldberg Variations at 200mph once Glen Gould did it that way

>>127266635
well I'm speaking from memory but I do believe it was by far the most viewed one on YouTube a few years ago. like, by FAR far

>>127266634
>there's nothing contrarian about ranking the 3rd over the 9th at all, they're both equally as valid picks.

>>127266559
i get that it appeals to a lot of people, i just have no use for something so effusive, too low t, thanks.

>>127266673
kek, the 9th is the very opposite of low t, it's pure vitality and masculine life-affirmation, but however you wanna look at it, you do you

Beethoven's 9th was important as a stepping stone so that the greatest symphonist of all time could get the ball rolling and make the greatest music that any man has ever been able to write

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knhU8t3fgIw

B.

>>127266720
Hmm, never tried Masur's Bruckner, interesting choice.

why are there so few (quality) recordings of Beethoven's Bagatelles? weird

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeHWd-GGL1Q&list=OLAK5uy_miXcW8mo9loJQi_bJzv9TAiMo__469V78&index=19

>>127266718
no, i was referring to myself

>>127266827
oh

>>127266812
Jeno Jando: the world's first invisible pianist

was browsing for a recording of Chopin's Waltzes to listen to and checked the reviews for my boy Arrau and one of them said this is the very first release put out on compact disc and sold commercially, so uh, that's pretty cool and historic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciAjnX1b1Lg&list=OLAK5uy_mYUuGiLlF6Q7hJDfS7GPTISWygRkmmkuc&index=12

>>127261043
That sounds like it's been badly translated. But they're gone I think, haven't seen them for a while. I think they didn't come back once the site got shut down

How do the first three movements of Bruckner's 9th rank up against the first three movements of his other symphonies? Would it have been his greatest symphony if he had completed it?

>>127267214
Among the very best things he wrote, undoubtedly. At least the first and third movements.

>Would it have been his greatest symphony if he had completed it?
probably

but it's great as is to be honest, with the first and third movements given more weight and taken slower -- if you had a fourth movement, you have to play them faster and a little lighter

Agricola

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAB0Es05ue4&list=OLAK5uy_l-HugPXKn-gptFkWlMhaToc-UQPh7Ey4k&index=8

monteverdi's the only italian singing i can stomach. it's such a ridiculous language.

>>127266649
what is the best accurate one?

>>127267621
https://youtu.be/OJlTmYB6iVM

finnish, on the other hand

>>127267782
pinnock

>>127267810
what about on piano?

>>127267782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELqjm8Yt7ug&list=OLAK5uy_lDPSgCjgjxFJ7xfZmSbpOfdx3cqaqGr54&index=17

but there's tons and tons of great ones

for piano
https://theclassicreview.com/best-of/bach-goldberg-variations-the-best-recordings-part-3-piano-versions

for harpsichord
https://theclassicreview.com/best-of/bach-goldberg-variations-the-best-recordings-part-2-harpsichord-versions

>>127267782
Kempff

best Goldberg Variations recordings that are
>played on piano
>NOT played by a jew, homosexual, trans, black, hispanic or woman
>played at a reasonable tempo
>preferably a russian pianist

>>127267782
>>127267846
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJnZK-Gk2K0&list=OLAK5uy_lHdPJoAwZeyCbrUE1BnRLWIq0kaA74SMg&index=1

>>127267846
on piano? why on earth?

>>127267873
Sounds like you want Koroliov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L9SYt9rED8&list=OLAK5uy_lBcr4WW5-mYp1RmDD64lC9atQnOTfawow&index=1

>>127267873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq6TeI_U1l0
yudina my beloved

>>127267886
because Harpsichord sounds like two skeletons fucking on a tin roof.

Pietro De Maria!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6sk4KYFhSg&list=OLAK5uy_np_M1Uj4hKjWW2di5ZCQRqTiwjaqeHwiQ&index=14

>>127267894
balderdash.

https://youtu.be/86nIGgUQb-g

>>127267953
two skeletons making love on a tin roof

>>127267953
keep fighting the good fight, even though I disagree

Were you raised on the harpsichord?

>>127267932
bach on the piano performed by an italian, smiling no less. i'd rather die

>>127267988
just an early interest in the baroque which never dislodged itself. the harpsichord is just such a pleasant instrument. i like springy sounds.

>>127268002
kek

well good thing there's a GV recording for everyone. What's funny is I'm listening to it right now and while it's pretty good, the competition for GV recordings is very steep, so every flaw, every imperfection, every moment of disagreement is enough to relegate a recording to the dustbin. that is to say, it's good, very good, but not good enough

also Beatrice Rana is Italian!
>>127267876
but she aint smiling in hers I suppose, and her recording is better

Why is Mahler jerked off so much? I've listened to very little of him, but isn't he just Beethoven 2.0? What's special about him, what was his one contribution to music that couldn't have been anyone else's?

>>127268051
He perfected the symphonic form, his style is unique, each of his works is an entire universe of its own, and for those who his music clicks, it's pure divinity. I guess you either get it or you don't, but even then you can't deny there's nothing else quite like his music.

>>127268051
He's a century removed from Beethoven and sounds nothing like him. However, he likely expanded the scope of the symphony more than any composer since Beethoven.

>>127267873
this same question but for the French and English suites

>>127267873
Are there even any notable trans keyboardists excluding Wendy Carlos who barely counts

>>127268075
haydn perfected the symphonic form. mahler expanded it to grotesque proportions. just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
>universe of its own
any good piece of music is. pity mahler couldn't write one.

>>127268082
Oh um... Gavrilov, and Ashkenazy has a set of the English Suites. bam, conditions met and answered (Ashkenazy counts as Russian and not a J in this scenario)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UEqpshSuFg&list=OLAK5uy_k9ADT1kAWki2t7hRjoR5H_P20Tnc7yMTs&index=27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-G_8G_q8YY&list=OLAK5uy_l3Zxws3kHFSlboiybyLZj9gDVuWc05c40&index=2

Also Koroliov has a French Suites as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVGtgcDHoV4&list=OLAK5uy_l6kdJpwh2GriBTVbjY87HxvQulWoZ0Oy4&index=1

I'm done giving recs for the day btw, so good luck if you have any appeals for recordings left

>>127268112
Haydn gets credit for building the foundations of the symphony (and string quartet and piano sonata), but to say he perfected it completely dilutes and drains the meaning of the word

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkeiHYIBpGU&list=PL4f_fJlj2od0790pjYSv0hBa13J-j4GlO&index=26

>>127268118
i forgot to mention except the russian part, i don't care if they are russian or not, are those still the best ones?

>>127268082
this same question but on Harpsichord

>>127268210
oh then I'd recommend Perahia for both
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4za_qkV3Lc&list=OLAK5uy_nkCdHegrFikpAxrAietbxsOFC-rbvlaYU&index=1

Koroliov's French Suites I'd still recommend as they're just as good, only a different flavor -- Perahia if you want more dancelike and tuneful, as most people would claim the suites ought to be, Koroliov if you want a unique contemplative approach. To put another way, Koroliov's French Suites runs to almost 20 minutes longer than Perahia's! so you can imagine what their style must be. I go back and forth depending on my mood

Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxea0D0s4QQ&list=OLAK5uy_lqkeEWGC4g4A0QtVhwXdDKa5P7sXjgtPs&index=14

>>127268112
>mahler expanded it to grotesque proportions. just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
This. A lot of classical music fans seem to be incapable of distinguishing between true innovation and merely technical revolution. They've just gobbled up the avant garde aesthetic, where everything must always be 'new' and flashily advertise its newness. I say that there is more innovation and new-creation in Bruckner than in Mahler.

>>127269014
Speak on that. Use direct examples from both of their compositions, analyzing the form, and show us what one does better than the other.

if anyone here is familiar with Brahms' catalogue, i would love if you could identify which piece is in the background of this video:
https://youtu.be/DJci68yA-T8?si=SWNPV6iS8yEnsy68
I used to have a recording of it on a ''best of Brahms'' Cd when I was a teen and still have the intro as an earworm, but can't track the source it back. it's not an intermezzo.
(if it ain't brahms, maybe rachmaninoff, but pretty sure brahms.)

>>127269151
that's chopin
https://youtu.be/MsIzN8YRsgU?list=RDMsIzN8YRsgU&t=191

>>127269151
Sounds like the slow movement of Chopin's second piano concerto actually.

chopincels win again

>>127269229
>>127269233
MUCH THANKS, ANONS!
I was misremembering which CD I had first heard this piece from.

Bax

https://youtu.be/HrHb5PE7BTg

Krebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOvWHtCqk-g

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6bf1UM5e18

any good sets of Bach's complete keyboard concertos?

>>127271154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTINJiH_d4&list=OLAK5uy_lSfKftvKipzFgOMmK316WrgMxpJp8sfj0&index=4

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnclBIF8Wr4&list=OLAK5uy_nT9NDGJlOcbAv6GE2HNreXiwtLbiBjfOg&index=7
(there's a second volume with the other 4)

>>127271198
thanks, what about the Violin Concertos?

>>127271211
So this is kinda an opposite situation where there are literally endless amounts of great recordings for this. In the same way every great violinist has a Bach Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin set, they also have one of his violin concertos. Anyway, a few examples, here are three classic sets:

Oisktrakh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKaSKuNfRqQ&list=OLAK5uy_k1MSNTeinHkWZJsdad53nwHPJAZVgKJEQ&index=1

Perlman/Barenboim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vmVYFN5Kuc&list=OLAK5uy_mcHp12ECrHyaPC9tMvRYVQFAJS5U6WBv0&index=1


and the one most people start on, Grumiaux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEMfHTs1X8o&list=OLAK5uy_kxJvEEC1D6gQEqgbYOs7MyaeYyFpnveU4&index=1

and a modern one

Kavakos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnPwN2Tm6CE&list=OLAK5uy_mW8xNyLf0fMCh5IT2IrON2su3U8-UJof8&index=1

>>127267873
caring about who the performer is outside of the performance quality is a sign of profound retardation

>>127271154
No, Mr Collector.

>>127266669
you got an argument or just a reddit image?

The slow movement of Chopin's 2nd concerto has melody very much like his 2nd Scherzo, I always expect it to continue like the beautiful Scherzo melody. Did anyone else notice?

>>127271532
that's fine

>>127271154
>>127271198
They are harpsichord concertos. Bach composed the works for the harpsichord. He preferred the harpsichord to the piano (This is putting it mildly because Bach hated the piano).

>>127271695
As I always say, you're free to make your own recommendations as well.

>>127271745
Karl Richter of course

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsaIW5MrbMc

>>127271867
We already went through recs for the choral works the other day

>>127271695
Bach did not, in fact, hate the piano. this is debunked harpsichordist propaganda

>>127272038
Bach hated the first piano he ever saw. Hate at first sight. Go cry about it while playing your emotional tampon instrument.

It’s hard to hate something you never saw.

now playing

start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 1 in F Major, Op. 18 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvSXaa7B2I0&list=OLAK5uy_llPBx9b0bgTfKmmLfIdZbIzGgJvdH3EcM&index=2

start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 14 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 131
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ2iIlZCVJY&list=OLAK5uy_llPBx9b0bgTfKmmLfIdZbIzGgJvdH3EcM&index=6

start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 7 in F Major, Op. 59 No. 1, "Razumovsky"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNCoyZ3ZVwI&list=OLAK5uy_llPBx9b0bgTfKmmLfIdZbIzGgJvdH3EcM&index=13

start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 8 in E Minor, Op. 59 No. 2, "Razumovsky"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nubV0CjHhdk&list=OLAK5uy_llPBx9b0bgTfKmmLfIdZbIzGgJvdH3EcM&index=16

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_llPBx9b0bgTfKmmLfIdZbIzGgJvdH3EcM

Not sure why the pieces are in such a strange order but whatever, I'll listen to it how they have it because I assume it was intentional and had a creative purpose. Everywhere I look this set gets effusive praise and rave reviews, with many declaring it the best complete set of recent years, so let's give it a listen.

>>127271927
Karl Richter did almost everything.
There’s a reason they put his performance of the Brandenburg Concertos on Voyager; he was the best interpreter of Bach since the big guy himself.

>>127272136
>Brandenburg Concertos
I actually don't really care for those that much, but when I do wanna give them a listen, I've got Karajan and Chailly and Britten for that.

>>127272145
Whatever, dude

>>127272131
If Beethoven only wrote his first six string quartets, they would be viewed in a much more favorable light and considered a bigger deal. But since he so thoroughly exceeded them with the middle quartets, then lapped even those with the late string quartets, they, understandably, get tossed to the wayside. The Quatuor Ebene do a great job at making the first string quartet sound substantial here, which is no inconsiderable feat, as many perform it on autopilot.

>>127272155
I'm the arch-romantic/modernist, sorry. It's better with way though, with opposing viewpoints amongst regulars in this general.

is there such a thing as good Lieder (aside from Schubert's)?

>>127272170
Mahler, Zemlinsky, Brahms, Mozart, Schumann, Strauss, Debussy, Faure, Grieg, Berg, Wolf, the list goes on... for ease, consult the "Top Art Songs" section on this page,
https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996

ya try and listen to a new recording of Bach's Goldberg Variations only to get sucked into considering and reading reviews for six different good candidates, and end up paralyzed on the decision, sigh

at least it's good to know there's an surfeit of a buffet for quality recordings of all varieties and styles

>>127272170
Dichterliebe, opus 48.

Scarlatti > Redditach

middle of the night bump limit, here's the
new
>>127272800
>>127272800
>>127272800
>>127272800
new

Krebs
https://youtu.be/0SbLS-H6I4M?si=zK7icbd1xRfgnN3d

Krebs
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=7bug9Wa5fyw&si=rIaXgljLdlwThsFl