Thread 127268460

Holy shit

best songs:
>Computer God
>After All
>Master of Insanity
>I
good songs
>Letters from Earth
>Time Machine
>Buried Alive
not so great songs
>TV Crimes
>Sins of the Father
>Too Late

Dio ruins Computer God by screeching to much trying to sound 10 years younger than he is, Master Of Insanity rips off The Wanton Song to the point of it being distracting and Too Late is kinda boring
still, if you remove those three songs you have 35 minutes of good to great music, same length as MoR

>>127268542
I actually like sins of the father
>>127268575
I noticed it does sound a lot like wanton song lol

>>127268542
>filtered by tv crimes
Sad!

>>127268542
>Holy shit
Yes, it's pretty embarrassing. It was an attempt to recapture the magic of Heaven and Hell, but it came out in 1992 and was disastrously out of step with the musical tastes of the era, both metal and grunge. Metallica's black album and Nirvana's Nevermind were both far heavier and felt far more authentic than this sad, tired 80's retread. Even pic related completely destroyed it commercially.

>"It was good to try that with Ronnie," Iommi reflected in 1997. "[But] we lost millions on it... because of the time we took to record it, and fly backwards and forwards to the States with everything, all the gear; bringing it back; recording here [the UK]... A lot of messing about and a lot of money wasted... If it came to it again now, we could plan it different and it'd be okay, but we had to try that."[23]

>>127268699
>label would rather throw millions around and have retarded logistics out of the blue rather than promoting the band normally through the years since Martin joined in
what the fuck were they thinking

>>127268575
>>127268583
The riff is extremely similar to one in the verse of Rainbow's Lady of the Lake, too. The music was actually written by Geezer's solo guitarist Jimi Bell (who got the gig on a recommendation from Sharon Osbourne after he was the runner-up to replace Jake E Lee in Ozzy's band), who got screwed out of royalties because Iommi refused to give another guitarist writing credit on a Sabbath album. Gloria Butler said they'd instead list him under Geezer's thank yous in the liner notes, which they did, and still pay him for it but then they never did lol

>>127268729
Record company logic

>>127268460 (OP)
yeah its shocking how bad it is

>>127268756
Lmao, the whole album was a clusterfuck despite giving us some alright songs from it

>>127268756
Is Bill Ward the only member of the original Sabbath who isn't a total dickhead? His alcoholism aside he seems like a much more solid person than Ozzy, Iommi and Geezer

>>127268460 (OP)
Well, they can't all be Forbidden

>>127268699
nothing about metallica's sellout album is authentic or heavy
also
>out of step
>commercially
who cares, what are you, their manager. It has some good songs and isn't a total balladfest that is no more tears

>>127268820
apparently the poor bloke was subject to the other three's "good natured" bullying like the time they set him on fire

>>127268831
Lmao

>>127268820
>Is Bill Ward the only member of the original Sabbath who isn't a total dickhead?
probably, yeah, we don't really know that much about him but he seems like a sensitive guy
best drummer they ever had and an underrated 70s drummer

>>127268820
just brummie bantz mate, but yeah everyone that ever passed through the Sabbath camp said BIll was one of the nicest guys they ever met

>>127268851
>the time they set him on fire
>the time
times your mean

>>127268874
Dude just did his job and didn't ask for attention for it

>>127268699
>Even pic related completely destroyed it commercially.
Yeah because No More Tears kicks ass, ZAKK WYLDE baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0siYUjV9UM

>>127268935
>Ozzy does cheesy hair metal GNR style and I'm supposed to feel something

>>127268955
You seem upset. Did Zakk style on you?

>>127268831
It sounds like even if the original lineup's reunion fell apart, Iommi was going to continue Sabbath without Martin since they weren't getting along very well by the time of Forbidden. Steve Grimmett said Bobby Rondinelli had contacted him at Iommi's behest about auditioning and the Gary Sharpe-Young book says as a backup plan Iommi was considering trying to convince either Halford or Glenn Hughes to rejoin.

>>127268460 (OP)
The superior album

>>127269064
>we have soundgarden/alice in chains at home

>>127269064
Lmao

>>127268460 (OP)
It kind of looks like the Emperor from Star Wars doing force lightning on Luke, except now they're both robots for some reason

>>127268927
i did actually mean that, yes. honestly forgot the 's'

>what do you mean they're not putting us on MTV?

Mid-90s Sabbath gave off very strong divorced alcoholic dad vibes

>>127269064
boring 90's adult contemporary metal

>>127269001
>Iommi was going to continue Sabbath without Martin since they weren't getting along very well by the time of Forbidden.
I mean he had it coming, he fucked Martin over and over by that point that it got comical
>saves the Glenn Hughes tour, don't call him back but fair enough
>saves Eternal Idol
>finally manage to have the same singer on 3 albums in a row for the first time in the decade
>band is finally stabilizing
>even without label support they are starting to do well in Germany, Russia and Japan
>by Tony's own admission it was easy to write song with them
>still fuck him over with the Dio reunion
>fuck him over with the Ozzy reunion

>>127269189
kek

>>127269189
Should have gave them their own reality series

>>127268460 (OP)
>>127268831
>>127269064
All three are trash that damage Sabbath's legacy

>>127269189
I don't think it was a vibe with Tony.

>>127269126
>except now they're both robots for some reason
Terminator II was all the rage at the time

>>127269230
Ah of course

Ozzy selling out arenas while Iommi and Dio slumming it in tiny clubs with barely anyone showing up. Iommi is lucky Ozzy allowed the reunion in the late 90s

>>127269249
It's impressive really, Ozzmosis fucking sucks ass but then Forbidden and Angry Machines managed to be even worse.

>>127269288
I mean this sort of shit, I'd argue Dio in the mid-90s was more embarrassing than Sabbath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHgL4bFdUsM&

>>127269332
Feels like he got sick of the Renaissance faire singing and tried to be harder into the 90s and it didn't work too well

>>127269384
Yeah Dio trying angry political lyrics is just weird

>>127269384
Angry Machines and Strange Highways came straight after Dehumanizer. coincidence?

>>127269397
Not at all, he was probably trying to do a solo comeback after the failed attempt at getting him to tour the album cause he hated Ozzy.

>>127268575
>Dio ruins Computer God by screeching to much trying to sound 10 years younger than he is
what the fuck are you on about lol

>>127269249
>Ozzy selling out arenas while Iommi and Dio slumming it in tiny clubs with barely anyone showing up.
wasn't that the fate of every traditional band in the 90s?

>Iommi is lucky Ozzy allowed the reunion in the late 90s
Sharon was done crashing the stock of Sabbath, it was time to rebuild it as an extention of Ozzy

The absolute worst Dio album is Magica, a boring, melodyless dirge of a concept album. Not quite as bad as Ozzy's Down to Earth or Geezer Butler trying nu-metal with GZR but not far off.

>>127269440
Pretty much, trad metal was dead in the States. Even the mighty Iron Maiden couldn't get arrested in America back then.

>>127269465
That's why Judas Priest went wild with Painkiller

>>127269465
I wonder if Martin would've been fucked anyway, between Sabbath, Priest and Maiden the 90s are basically a filler decade for the eventual comeback of the original singers, with the substitues getting sacked and shat on with for no fault of their own (Harris made Blaze a sitting duck).
Only thing that could've made a difference was that he had been there since the 80s when metal was still in vogue and maybe he could've been accepted better had the label tried

>>127269332
I noticed that when old metal bands are washed their riffs go from something catchy to just a guitar going DUN DUN DUN over and over, see Dissection and King Diamond off the top of my head

>casually mogs 90s Black Sabbath
https://youtu.be/nM__lPTWThU?si=J2d-U3oiyK-fdWIx

>>127269605
It mogged pratty much everything else too, so that isn't fair for an already dead in the water band like Sabbath.

>>127269519
That album was such a breath of fresh air from them after stuff like Turbo

>>127269589
Everything about '90s Sabbath just looks weird, I think image was always going to be a problem regardless of the quality of their output.

Bear in mind this is an official promo photo

>Cozy Powell still with the same haircut he had in 1974, wearing sweatpants, Timberlands and dog tags
>Iommi still with his stupid 80s hair but dressing like a skateboarding teenager
>Tony Martin, balding with Doc Martens and John Lennon sunglasses
>Neil Murray sporting a visible beer gut and velvet Cuban heels

>>127269189
Nice of Tony to come straight back after getting booted for Dio. Then the poor bastard just gets booted for Ozzy.

>>127269519
>>127269605
Pretty crazy how they fell flat on their face trying to incorporate AOR and glam metal elements with Turbo and Ram It Down, but then did the same with thrash and Euro speed metal only to put out arguably their best ever album. [spoiler]And then fucked up again straight after trying to chase Pantera and then nu-metal with Ripper Owens lol[/spoiler]

>>127269696
Grim. You really can tell that Sharon took over when Tony switched to the long coat, looks better and didn't need to change it in 20 years, much like with Ozzy

Dio was performing in elementary schools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YEpd5V94EI

>>127269696
>Hello, we're here to fix the pipes

>>127269189
alcohol, coke, alcohol, coke

>>127269440
>wasn't that the fate of every traditional band in the 90s?
>>127269465
>Pretty much, trad metal was dead in the States. Even the mighty Iron Maiden couldn't get arrested in America back then.
Yep, you had Priest with Painkiller in '90 and then nothing basically. Both Priest and Maiden were totally screwed when their singers quit.

>>127269696
I mean, in the mid 90s, dressing up was a thing of the past.

>>127268460 (OP)
>I
this is the only song I remember from it.
I thought the production was too crisp and slick.
much prefer H&H

>>127269790
long coat looked stupid af

>>127268984
According to Geezer's book, Zakk Wylde regularly drank his own urine. He had a party trick where he'd urinate into the air and into his own mouth. Another time he got mad when a bar was closing and wouldn't serve him anymore, so he pissed in his own pint glass and downed it in an act of defiance.

>>127268756
Oh great. Its a Sharon shill trying to deflect from her own corruption with something awful Tony, Geezer, Gloria, Ronnie, Wendy etc. and whoever also supposedly did.
>>127268820
Yes. He was the real MVP. But none of the other three were total dickheads either. Their managements and lawyers were.
>>127268699
Dehumanizer is the 70s Sabbath retread that was what 13 wishes it could be only with Ozzy instead of Dio.
Only normies cares if something is of its time or not.
Paranoid or Master of Reality were not of its time when they first dropped. So your shit narrative just got nuked from orbit.

>>127269696
>muh image
Has this board just decided to become fucking unusable now?

>>127269790
I can tell you are on a payroll of some sort.

>>127269189
And mid-90s Ozzy did not?
>>127269198
You are boring and narrow minded.

>>127269332
Angry Machines was a miss but Strange Highways is kino. You are just being spiteful gremlins.
>>127269384
Feels like you are just using deliberately dumbed down talking points.
He already made a darker themed album in Dream Evil. He just switched to Sci-Fi and social themes on Dehumanizer. And he was great at it regardless of what a mess the making of Dehumanizer was and how much of it could be laid at Ronnies own feet. You are just being a dick.

>>127269249
The popularity contest narcissism is unending with you shills.
You know who was on record as stating that he preferred "slumming it in tiny clubs" as opposed to "selling out arenas". John Michael Ozzy Osbourne. Deep down he hated being Sharons circus moneky. Deep down he hated and regretted being a rockstar ever since he first got hooked on cocaine. If you want to hear the moment his innocence and joy started dying then listen to Vol. 4. If you want to hear the moment it was completely gone for good take a listen to Bark at the Moon. Then listen to Master of Reality and you can tell he was in a happier place then. He was not an alcoholic or cokehead yet and the worst it got back then were pot or qualudes which is pretty fucking quaint compared to where he would eventually take himself in self abuse. He had a brief reprieve of clarity during the No More Tears era I guess. But he cleaned himself up on his initiative that brief period. Sharon was not there in Vegas when he decided "fuck this".
And with this post I just paid more respect to the man than you Sharon shills can ever try to pretend.

>>127272452
Pretty good trick

>>127272914
good post. i enjoyed reading.

>>127268820
People talk about Jason Newsted being hazed but Metallica didnt do awful stuff to him like Sabbath did to Bill Ward. They would set that guy on fire and almost killing him by painting his entire body

>>127273788
lol, Bill's mother called Tony and told him off and to grow up at which point he never messed with Bill again.

>>127273874
His GibsonTV YT interview where talked about this prank was hilarious. He said the paramedics were admonishing them, too. Laquered him gold, head-to-toe in DuPont paint. I think they took it down, though; don't know why.

>>127268575
>>127268756
Always thought it was interesting they just did a straight cover of a song. You'd think Dio would change the lyrics at least. Guess they liked it a lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pB_yWFJyX0

>>127268831
remix made it listenable

>>127269682
>>127269781
>they replaced Dave Holland with a literal drum machine
Those albums could've been just a tiny bit better without it.

After All is a top ten Sab tune. no doubt about it

Buried Alive is super heavy