I was watching a video of some chick from Suede or Pulp or whatever dumb britpop band giving my mate Noel a bad wrap. Saying how before ‘Wasis struck it big, everyone was shitting on their Cigarettes and Alcohol demo. The girl said, “I can’t believe this is best ofwhat England has to offer” Then I saw a video of Damon taking the piss on them as well. There seemed to be hung up, and contained an extreme elitist attitude to Noel and Liams working class aesthetic.

I know there is a huge class culture war in England, so maybe “political” isn’t the right word, but I saw this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDAbvXS1hW4
Literal the same point can be applied here too. There is an elitist sneer towards numetal, and then it hit me. 100% of the people having disdain for Oasis and numetal are leftists. Billy Joel, Damon Albarn, Tom Morello. They hate the music, because they hate the people that music represents. This disdain comes their superiority complex. They find that people who are drawn to that type of music disgusting, and therefore that type of music is bad.

the guy from mbv said oasis were a government psyop

parklife

>>127269710 (OP)
>. They find that people who are drawn to that type of music disgusting,
And they're right.

>>127269710 (OP)
Suede are working-class. Pulp were lower middle-class art school kids (not as bougie as today's art school kids). Blur are solidly middle-class larping as poors which they're a bit infamous for now, Suede loathed them for it at the time. If anything it's more of a north/south thing than a rich/poor thing in this case. Southerners rich or poor are seen as more cultured stylish city types and northerners rustic stupid cavemen. Pulp were north (just), Suede and Blur were very south.

Tom Morello said Oasis made great music and he initially wanted to hate them for being in snobby british magazines but couldn’t

>>127269710 (OP)
You're delusional. "Nu metal" is wigger music. There is NOTHING more leftwing than worshiping blacks. And Oasis endorsed leftwing politicians.

Thank God for Oasis marginalising all these pseuds like Elastica and especially that faggot fraud from The Auteurs. They thought they had their little place in the limelight and got fucking ATROPELATED by Oasis, and then marginalized into nowhere land by bands like OCS (lol) and Cast (lol) in their slipstream. Of course being an "artiste" this made them seethe uncontrollably. No success for you, fraud. Lmao. Good riddance. In their mind it goes a bit like "how the fuck can these working class chavs with their simple stupid music be more liked than me". Well, simple, you got filtered and outed as a fraud. They just happened to be better than you at every aspect of the music game. It's telling that all actual veritable musicians were staunch supporters too. Johnny Marr, Weller, Verve. But none of these disingenuous, useless shits were. It was probably the jewess from Elastica saying that, right? They can snigger at Cigarettes and Alcohol, while they fail to realise it's more pure and better social commentary than any of them could come up with, and despite its ripping off T.Rex, it's musically miles ahead of what they could come up with. Raw and pure honesty is something these folks are incapable of. Looks at the frauds Blur, their biggest hit is an ironic US garage mock up that goes woo-hoo.

Anyway, it's not so much a class thing I think, just a cunt thing. I wish Mark E. Smith were alive and all these frauds dead.

>>127271584
/Thread

>>127269710 (OP)
You're cracking part of the code

My dear RETARD, nu-metal is an absolute cancer that only REDDITARDS (like you, probably) enjoy. Most "metal" discussion on that SHIT site is centered around the fact "big bad meenie metal supremacist discriminate vulnerable nu-metal faggots". KILL YOURSELF, NU-"METAL" FAGGOT. NU-"METAL" IS NOT, HAS NEVER BEEN, AND WILL NEVER BE METAL. FUKKK YOU, FUKKK YOU, FUKKK YOU. DIE, NOW.

>>127271584
"Wigger" itself is an elitist term.

>>127273168
no it isnt you absolute faggot

stop worshiping blacks you absolute faggot

The UK left hates Oasis because they gave British people something to be patriotic about. If you don't believe me, read this
>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/28/stop-the-celebrations-oasis-are-the-most-damaging-pop-cultural-force-in-recent-british-history

>>127273205
Just lol

>>127273215
simon price = subhuman

>>127269710 (OP)
a lot of the hate is theater.
oasis talked a lot of shit too
increases press for both bands whether intentionally or not.
the political part of your post is insane schizo shit

>>127273200
Is too. Whites from the lower levels of society rub up against blacks culturally, and there is cross-pollination. They discover rap and use it in their genuine working class experiences. Poor whites from slavic countries love rap despite being all white and many lower class whites who are far more racially-aware than the bourgeois faggots who sneer down at them still use rap and negroisms to express themselves culturally. Meanwhile these bourgeois faggots, who really dislike rap, absolutely worship blacks in the obnoxious, virtue-signaling way that everyone hates. Just because you like rap doesn't mean you're a doormat for blacks, and just because you don't like rap doesn't mean you don't worship them.

>>127270241
Did Manics comment on Oasis? They were working class people from a mining town
I know The Verve had a good relationship with them

>>127273396
Manics used to tour with Oasis

>>127272817
>The Auteurs
First time I see someone mention them here
What's wrong with Haines? He was an underrated lyricist

Elastica chick is an overrated nepo baby who ripped off almost all of her songs from other post punk bands though

>Cast
They are supporting Oasis on their reunion tour now lmao

>Mark E. Smith
He actually did a song with Elastica lol
https://youtu.be/L_z7PgVDHXg?si=XzbbRVxQeVX41wEO

>>127272817
>>127273205
The biggest faggot is that Rositter guy from Gene who said he hates the label britpop and how the movement was too nationalistic
Molko from Placebo also said something similar
He also seethes about Morrissey now

>>127273459
These twits are so morally bankrupt, these are the types of people who covered up for Saville now talking about how evil it is to like your own country, they should all be hanged

>>127273205
Leftists writing in the media are champagne socialists. They actually hate "the people" because they are sexist, homophobes, rubes, brutes, etc. In their minds, being leftwing means being the morally superior entity and signalling your perfect value system in the media for good reputation.

Ofc they would hate a bunch of poor chavs making simple heartful music that made stadiums chant.

>>127273324
you are a next level faggot

>>127272817
I chose the parklife video for the OP because it fits here too. Lower class are easy targets for mockery, and I always find it ironic when lefties ridicule the proles from a seat of superiority.

>>127273215
They really are spiteful mutants lol

>>127273215
Keith died so this subhuman can hate

>>127273396
manics are huge oasis fans, especially Nicky Wire

>>127273425
to me his music is, at the very best, a wonky bridge between postpunk and early 2000s indie, very unremarkable at that. never understood the hype. comes across as a knob in interviews too. a lot of these early nineties types have a huge chip on their shoulder because they feel underappreciated and wronged because of (but not limited to) the britpop thing. they should take an example in Lawrence from Felt who was pretty much in the fringes for his entire career and yet managed to build up a discography that is immense, and never really bitched about not being recognised or making it big or whatever else bullshit. at Lawrence has a claim at making actual decent music, unlike these guys.

>>127273425
mark was so fucked in the mid nineties, twas probably a quick 500 quid for him to pay off his denbts
>>127273459
Gene, another one of those. Molko I don't mind cos he trooned out before it was hip

nobody cares about your shitty brit bands. you had a nice run in 60's and 70's, but the world's moved on. quit shitting up this board with your parochial nobody spats.

Suede won in the long-term, they're the only ones who managed to work becoming old men into their work gracefully instead of nailing the look but getting more meh musically (Jarvis), becoming totally denatured into mush (Manics, Damon), or leaning on their glory days to the point of tedium (Wasis)

Brett clears them all today
https://youtu.be/EzdFSEzwu8o?si=TSSEbe44L490bpvF
https://youtu.be/S5iKt2hbdMY?si=6j8LwSSM25qIBCvU
https://youtu.be/yjhd6sjJnZY?si=RkOjSTSMxvqxeIRp

>>127273629
I recommend to anyone to read the Mark E. Smith book, half of it is a long rant about these kinds of people, or wet liberals as he calls them. Ashcroft was bang on about them as well in that interview he did with John Doran. There's a media caste of these, both journos and musicians, that rightly got flushed away in the 90s, but they're a skidmark, very difficult to get rid of.

>>127273846
>3rd rate Bowie/Mozza tribute act
>but wait, with the most politically correct interviews
not for me

>>127273837
suck my 40 year old arse you little narc

>>127269710 (OP)
You say that as if rightoids don't feel an irrational hysterical hate for any form of art and media created by people who are different to them

>>127272817
isn't that like American critics being pissed that their favorite art scene NYC punk band was playing 100 seat theaters and they were infuriated that Journey were filling 20,000 seat arenas?

>>127273876
No not like that. If you read Greil Marcus's review of Rocket to Russia he was accusing the Ramones of selling out to the Foreigner audience and this band wasn't supposed to be "mainstream" just a niche act for cool people.

>>127273866
In the very early days I can see the Bowie/Morrissey comparisons but they haven't really stuck since Coming Up, if anything they have more in common with plain old Souxsie/Cure etc. post-punk indie at this point, by 'Bowie/Morrissey tribute' all people really mean is 'flamboyant within socially acceptable bounds', it's an unimaginative comparison

>>127273834
>cos he trooned out
Pretty sure he just considers himself bisexual, there were plenty of artists with androgynous image before him

I just learned that the guy from Mansun is apparently a creep who stalked The Anchoress

>>127271584
This
Linkin Park guys are actually huge progressives, especially Shinoda who is still mad people don't like the new singer

turns out LP's audience is a heavily West Coast and also Mormon thing

>>127272817
woo hoo song was only good thing to come out of the brit cess pool. some of the wacis stuff was aight, but woo hoo is an actual jam, whether ironic or not.

>>127273996
Song 2 is not even the best song on the album

>>127274038
nobody cares about 'deep cuts' from nobody bands.
release your best song as a single or stfu.

Remember Shed Seven? They had a short lived feud with Oasis and they were maligned by critics for being pedestrian since they were some dudes from York and while they ended up breaking up once they are still fairly successful now with multiple sold out shows and their last album topped the charts

>>127274050
Beetlebum was a single and is clearly better

>>127273996
only an am*rican or thirdie can have this horrid of an opinion

>>127274053
Yes, I remember all of these shitters (and have listened to them a lot): Menswear, Sleeper, The Boo Radleys, Northern Uproar, Embrace, Hurricane#1, Catatonia, Longpigs, Gay Dad (lol), and more

For me, it was Suprgrass

https://youtu.be/OJ8TYNpJdLg?si=SB1lv5HlDGRdnllX

>>127269772
POHK LOIF

>>127274528
>or
>implying burgerland isn't third world

>>127274555

I still listen to the Longpigs' first album, it's hugely underrated. Richard Hawley was the guitarist so it's full of great hooks.

>>127274555
>Menswear
The worst of the bunch, entirely manufactured, they got some attention recently because Limmy reacted to them
https://youtu.be/2qrZqzdhk0w?si=-kajXs2Vn7bjgkdR
>Sleeper
They had a few decent singles
>The Boo Radleys
Another case of shoegaze band selling out, Giant Steps is underrated album
>Embrace
The original post-britpop band, their debut came a year before The Man Who by Travis, also they were aware there was another band with the same name so they asked Ian Mackaye for permission
>Hurricane #1
I like Step into my world but otherwise they were mediocre like almost everything Andy Bell worked for after Ride
>Catatonia
I like how their biggest hit is about the X-Files, can't get over the singers accent though
>Longpigs
First album was solid power pop, second one was forgettable
>Gay Dad
A really rare case of a band formed by a music critic, both scaruffi and Pitchfork really panned them in their reviews, first album still had some nice Spacey songs

Also remember The Seahorses? It's funny how John Squire is considered such a great guitarist when everything after Stone Roses with him was so mediocre

>>127275323
From lesser known bands I also enjoy Marion and Rialto who made first album in nearly 25 years this year

https://youtu.be/6KejdccSxBU?si=-jK1EFDzagOBQkj9

>>127275394

>Also remember The Seahorses? It's funny how John Squire is considered such a great guitarist when everything after Stone Roses with him was so mediocre

Ian Brown having the more diverse taste and the better solo career was something not many would have predicted. The Second Coming was clearly Squire’s Led Zep obsession getting out of control.

>>127275394
based fellow deranged britpop casualty. seahorses must have been the most boring of them all, just impossible to get through. On the contrary I really like a lot of Ian brown's solo stuff, even though it's a lot of soft electro shit. Guess I like soft electro shit.

>>127275448
>>127275459
Same thing as Morrissey having much more successful post Smiths career than Marr

>>127275514

lol at Marr’s post-Smiths project

>supergroup
>called “Electronic”
>the guys from the Pet Shop Boys and New Order dominate everything while Marr stands in a corner
>biggest hit doesn’t have any guitar on it

>>127275514
That solo album Marr did 10 years ago I thought was really good, but not better than Mozzers best albums

>>127275409
DO YOU WANNA
DO YA DO YA WANNA

>>127269710 (OP)
none of that happened

>>127273205
It’s funny the way in the uk patriotic working class chuds and soi middle class leftists both ignore the fact that the Gallagher brothers are Celtic supporting, Wolfe tones listening, anti royalty, children of Irish catholic immigrants who don’t give a fuck about anywhere in England outside of Manchester, both sides act as if they are EDF supporters and British empire enthusiasts or something

>>127270241
>Suede are working-class.
lel

YOu need to read this:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/03/kevin-shields-britpop-pushed-by-government

you're fucking welcome

>>127269710 (OP)
Yes. Lets say the divide is between California and Nashville.

Or in a global scale
>Faggots
>And Straight Men

what do you guys consider NU-METAL?
i'm a very neutral music guy who listens to almost everything in every language from every era and i want to give it at try.
will report back with impressions, not that anyone would care lol

>>127277863
metal or hard rock music with rap parts

>>127277904
>with rap parts
oh really? that's it? is that still going on?
i've noticed the rap interlude is disappearing from most Western pop, and has disappeared or become much more melodic/sing-songy in kpop.
i'm surprised it's still around in rock

what are some current groups i can listen to

>>127277827
He's still seething lmao

>>127277827
As if people still care about any 90s shoegaze bands that aren't MBV or Slowdive
Even Ride and Verve have fallen out of popularity

>>127273215
When someone looks like this, I think it's safe to do the opposite of what they say.

The general condemnation of nu-metal really wasn't being lower class. The fags who love it want that to be the case to feel like underdogs but the reality is it was mostly just being shat on as music for immature middle-schoolers.
Most people who were into it, whether it be working class or suburban upperclass grew out of it at some point and moved onto stuff that wasn't just trying to be a 12 year old's spergout in rock form.
I don't really know the history of britpop by comparison so I can't say anything. Most poor brits I know all just like metal. (Hell they're probably more likely to be into nu-metal than they are into Ogaysis)

>>127279102
I grew up white upper-middle class and nu-metal was at its peak when I was in middle school and maybe my freshman year of high school. It was definitely the most popular genre of music among the boys at my school. A few girls seemed to like Lincoln Park and Lincoln Park only. I’m not even sure what they were into- certainly not me hehe! Anyway, it definitely wasn’t a lower or working class thing, or at least the fans weren’t exclusively. As a side note it was interesting as that genre faded out how some of the boys went full wigger/hip-hop and some proud white men like me followed the based Aryan garage rock/post-punk revival movement.

>>127274050
blur were sick. sorry ameritards have nigger tier taste in music

You guys on here just make shit up. Nobody other than 40+ year old boomers that smell like shit listen to metal. Nu metal is beyond irrelevant and considered a joke. Everyone listens to Oasis. This is the case in the UK anyway.

Liberal politics is a cancer that endlessly expands and kills everything it touches, even the core notions of liberalism are cringe now despite being objectively the correct position

>>127279102
>Most people who were into it, whether it be working class or suburban upperclass grew out of it at some point and moved onto stuff that wasn't just trying to be a 12 year old's spergout in rock form.
i mean it's not as if similar stuff wasn't said about 50s R&R

>>127273215
Oasis was the last stand of British culture in popular music

I unironically don't understand the feud between Oasis and Blur-Damon. I do not see the bands as fungible or really comparable in any way.

>>127280274
>i mean it's not as if similar stuff wasn't said about 50s R&R
Do source it.

>>127280846
>On March 8, 1958, Mitch Miller addressed the First Disc Jockey Convention in Kansas City. Miller said that DJs across America had made the mistake of spinning content aimed exclusively at 8-14 year olds, a demographic whose purchasing power "once you eliminate ponytail ribbons, popsicles, and peanut butter brittle, is nearly nil. On much of today's radio we're lucky to get a grown up hour anywhere before midnight. Adults all over the land are yearning for a pause in the day's cacophany. I too believe youth must be served, but how about some music for the rest of us?" His remarks were widely reprinted in the national press.

>>127273215
>Oasis makes homosexuals seethe
wtf I love Oasis now

>>127272817
based

>>127273205
The fact that the one positive thing he has to say about Oasis is defending their worst lyric

>>127269710 (OP)
The disdain for Oasis is because they're derivative and they were one of the first alternative / indie bands that openly went for the mainstream. Listen to their lyrics
>You need to be yourself
>I'm a rocknroll star
>We're gonna make a better day

etc. It's vapid MoR stuff, designed to have mass appeal

>>127273205
>The UK left hates Oasis because they gave British people something to be patriotic about.
fucking kek
the reunion tour must be going very badly if their media guys are gonna try selling oasis as le redpilled and based

>>127281856
Didn't Cobain also decide to move away from metal and noise and go more pop to get that sweet nerd revenge against normies through success

That's what the Gallagher bros did too. Though you could argue Cobain did it with a bit more class.

>>127281856
They were the least lyrically sophisticated out of the big 4 bands as all other ones made songs about social issues and class divide

>>127277827
The irony of him almost bankrupting Creation and Oasis coming along to pull them out of bankruptcy. Lol. He's another one of those pseuds btw.
>oh no it's just impossible for a band to come along and crossover and become massive, it must be constructed by higher powers
yeah it is when you make "ethereal" rubbish

>>127270241
>Blur are solidly middle-class larping as poors
when did Blur ever “larp” as “poors”… shut the fuck up you TikTok brained SSRI’d-out retard. shut your fucking hole.

>>127284024
literally in that fucking pic theyre larping as poors u moron

>>127277791

Brett Anderson was working class at least. Son of a taxi driver and grew up on a council estate.

I only ever heard of Nu-metal after I moved and started going to school in an upper middle class area. All the rich kids (as I perceived them) were obsessed with Korn. Before that when I lived in a working class area everyone just listened to whatever was on the radio.

>>127269772
[spoiler]shite life[/spoiler]

>>127269710 (OP)
Beetlebum is a better Beatles ripoff than any of the Oasis songs. Cope and seethe.

>>127284601
For me, it's She's Electric.

>>127284601
Best song about Heroin

>>127282195
>They were the least lyrically sophisticated out of the big 4 bands as all other ones made songs about social issues and class divide
"Go Let It Out" ain't a thing?

>>127284024
Albarn was basically doing cockney blackface.

>>127269710 (OP)
its hilarious libcucks hate damon albarn because he said he liked england or something like that in the 1990s so he is basically a fascist
even though he is a mega faggot libcuck just like them

>>127285920
meds

>>127269710 (OP)
>>127284024
Shame Blur sucks, because Damon was so qt

>>127285960
Grow a brain, little faggot slave.

>>127285920
Nobody knows who Damon is. Nobody knows what his politics were at any given time. Less than maybe 5% of people have even heard of blur.

You’re in an internet bubble.

>>127274053
Yeah shed seven is hilarious. They said “if you can rip off the Beatles then we can rip off you”. And they managed to make tracks every bit as good as oasis
https://youtu.be/IzkPadoNnzU

>>127286027
meds

>>127286113
You poor thing.

>>127286038
Can americans stop chiming in on discussions on Britpop please. Everyone here in the UK knows who Blur and Damon is.

NO!

The average working class salt-of-the-earth Brit is a complete fucking moron.

>>127286690
fuckin student

>>127275514
Marr has essentially been a glorified session musician post-Smiths, yet leftoids/R*ddit pedophiles now claim he was the talent in the Smiths because he has the correct opinions.

>>127286293
>still going
meds

>>127286058
yeah no

>>127287469
Marr seems to have knowingly avoided ever working with as big a personality as Moz again. Which is of course why his post-Smiths work has been so faceless. Still, I think The Smiths were the gestalt of their members not just "Marr's Band" or "Morrissey Mk. I".

>>127288076
Remember when he produced an album by Marion?
https://youtu.be/0sNTzH3L5J4?si=ouI9cpnNeqPaosPO

>>127288086
I do not remember that. This song is alright, kind of sounds like a bar band version of the title track to Queen is Dead.