Thread 127272800

Sergei Prokofiev Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeH-330FJf4

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>127256700

lol sir gay

Listen to Rachmaninoff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML41ThvX7XQ&list=OLAK5uy_npvvZjmvU1s58Uk8p-OB66dy-bMhGWKz0&index=3

now playing

Liszt's Années de pèlerinage II, S. 161: IV. Sonetto 47 del Petrarca
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qqKf3pM-ag&list=OLAK5uy_my0dL6Yv_wDPNxppRfxGULpqSTIX6Z4_E&index=13

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_my0dL6Yv_wDPNxppRfxGULpqSTIX6Z4_E

>In November 2011 I heard Bertrand Chamayou for the first time during the Lucerne Piano Festival, where his recital in the Lukaskirche featured an ample selection from Liszt’s Années de Pèlerinage. I was frankly bowled over by the young French pianist’s staggering technique, commanding artistry, wide color palette, and controlled concentration. These qualities consistently inform his Naïve recording of the complete cycle, which may well become a version of reference alongside Muza Rubackyté’s out-of-print Lyrinx edition. ---- Jed Distler, 10/10

I'd always thought this Annees cycle was great yet short of excellent because of Chamayou's straightforward, limpid approach, as I generally prefer my Liszt with more color and overt poeticism, but this morning it's really hitting the spot, proving to be an exciting and virtuosic rendition of one of the great masterpieces of solo piano repertoire.

Who are some composers melodically similar to Wagner? It occurred to me that I don't actually have any classification in my head for what distinguishes Wagner's melodic sensibility. I don't mean his harmony or orchestration, but the melodies themselves. Who influenced him, who inspired him to write melodies like he did? Is Wagner a melodic chameleon with no distinctive style here?

>>127272869
Bruckner and Mahler

>>127272869
Bellini and Gluck (according to AI). Beethoven, Weber etc. obviously.

whos more underrated, Martinu or Turina?

>>127272900
neither. both are properly rated third-tier composers.

>>127272924
deeply lowbrow take tbphwy
but its fine, theres a lot of people like you whose knowledge only extends as far as their gas station 100 Classical Hits CD

>>127272966
>their gas station 100 Classical Hits CD
But that's how I discovered and fell in love with Martinu!

best recording of Goldberg Variations on Organ?

>>127272966
you seem to think that third-tier means bad. it doesn't. martinu is a decent composer, and i think he is generally rated as such. he was never great however, and certainly no genius. i have plenty of martinu in my collection and i would describe most of as merely pleasant.

best Goldberg Variations on Synth Guitar?

>>127273153
>>>/mu/

>>127273089
>>127273153
>>127273344
this is a scarlatti thread, gb2rebbit if you want to talk about bach.

>>127273369
So post Scarlatti.

>>127273344
Source: my ass

Piano exists because of Bach. And in its early stages it was indeed shitty, perhaps as bad as clavichord or harpsichord, in dynamic range at least.

>>127273089
Middelschulte

>>127273430
No, he is right. Bach criticized Silbermann’s pianos. Silbermann tried to rectify flaws. Bach granted his approval, to save their friendship, and never voluntarily played one again.

>>127272886
Bruckner's melodies seem just about the opposite of Wagner's.

now playing

start of Haydn: Symphony No. 93 in D Major, Hob. I:93
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPAUplGTorc&list=OLAK5uy_nEme9tK5uZsf-qelqnKGTbn3tA69wS4I0&index=2

start of Haydn: Symphony No. 94 in G Major, Hob. I:94 "Surprise"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOg20IFN49E&list=OLAK5uy_nEme9tK5uZsf-qelqnKGTbn3tA69wS4I0&index=6

start of Haydn: Symphony No. 95 in C Minor, Hob. I:95
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgvDe5lHvnY&list=OLAK5uy_nEme9tK5uZsf-qelqnKGTbn3tA69wS4I0&index=10

start of Haydn: Symphony No. 96 in D Major, Hob. I:96, "Miracle"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO8nl8KzYW8&list=OLAK5uy_nEme9tK5uZsf-qelqnKGTbn3tA69wS4I0&index=13

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nEme9tK5uZsf-qelqnKGTbn3tA69wS4I0

>>127273479
>never voluntarily played one again.
Source: trust me bro

>>127273089
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzJR7MY5WiM&list=OLAK5uy_k-d0REes8NzUn_AJfkiu9qw9P4Fzm0_l4&index=6

>>127273089
The Piano was invented after Bach’s death, by guy

>>127273715
The Piano was invented after Bach’s death, my guy; hard to play something that doesn’t exist yet.

>>127273715
>>127273806
Bach did not compose for piano even though it was available in his day.

>>127273715
The musician, a guide for pianoforte students. 6 grades - Page 35

>>127273806
Bach himself owned piano. The piano you know is different, sounds different, but is the same old piano that Bach used to play.
>>127273815
Bach did not specify what he composed for, he composed for "Klavier", as in, any keyboard instrument, including the piano. So yes, Bach composed for piano.
>>127273821
Clearly historically illiterate.

>>127273849
Bach hated pianofortes. His favorite “Klavier” was the Clavichord.

i had the displeasure of watching ryan's daughter whose only redeeming quality was beet's prevalence throughout the movie. it is my formal opinion that the infidelity expressed in the film deserved worse treatment. i hate women.

Can you actually appreciate Wagner and Das Rheingold if you don’t speak German? I feel like I’m wasting my time.

>>127273925
i feel the same way when listening to opera from other composers, except it isn't the language barrier that concerns me, but rather the fact that they are not and can never match up to the quality that wagner himself attained.

>>127273925
Yes, obviously. Just read along with a bilingual libretto.

Wagner fucked Liszt or something?

most of Bach's """keyboard""" works were written for the superior Xylophone, the "klavier" thing was mistranslated.

>top rated recording
>Performer: John Butt
no thanks

>>127274110
what's wrong with John Butt

>>127273870
No one knows that.

>>127274116
not that anon (nta) but anyone who dares have vulgarities within their name ought be shunned from society

>>127274110
>>127274124
don't sleep on the conductor Yondani Butt

Is young Lenny the handsomest classic musician of the 20th century?

Haydn

https://youtu.be/2qXB7e-ZU28

how true is it on a scale from not true to five that beethoven studied under haydn?

>>127274390
Literally true in that Beethoven took lessons from him.

>>127274609
Not just some lessons, he was his pupil.

>>127274609
okay, normally when someone seeks to prove the affirmative in a case citations are provided. although it isn't uncommon to see the contrary occur on the internet it is all the same worth noting. moreover, i did not receive a satisfactory response that was measured against the scale set out in my initial question; not true to five true indicates that there are 6 possible responses.

>>127274680
Not looking up an easily verifiable fact for you, man. If you want a robot to go search the internet for you and use your made up truthiness scale then ask ChatGPT.

For me, it's Shostakovich's 24 Preludes and Fugues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRAtde-IPfw&list=OLAK5uy_mta00bfdpXP7wiTm7HnXmiN3hn-sjqEmI&index=34

best recording of Da Bussy's complete piano works?

now playing

start of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgoRedjMEiw&list=OLAK5uy_l62ZYbmCD5-Tn5il1Du0jwis53vAEwE98&index=2

start of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsxKsm_b9k0&list=OLAK5uy_l62ZYbmCD5-Tn5il1Du0jwis53vAEwE98&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l62ZYbmCD5-Tn5il1Du0jwis53vAEwE98

I've heard this recording is better than Hough's later and more well-known release of the same works with Mark Wigglesworth, so time to finally give them a try since he is one of the better famous pianists of our era, and his set of Brahms' late piano pieces is one of the very best available.

>>127274928
There's so many and all different, appealing to various, even divergent tastes, so you're best looking up the most acclaimed and notable sets and sampling them and comparing on your own to make a decision which best suits your own preferences.

>>127274928
just get warners complete works box set and be done with it

fuck I can't stop listening to Bach's WTC. nothing else is really hitting the spot in the same way right now

>>127275536
Listen to Shosta's prelude and fugues

>>127272800 (OP)
Fool. Ne3 is a checkmate in 8

>>127274974
>warners complete works
is that better than the DG one?

St Matthew Passion Sunday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djMqjExVAog&list=OLAK5uy_mFEo1rkGb4W7O4nFZrki4zOH-6KCzuT6c&index=1

Sometimes Rach is so good I can't imagine listening to anything else. This doesn't happen with any other composer, except Chopin and Brahms. He spellbinds you like nothing else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Ld20K-7GU&list=OLAK5uy_nTiMehnmBZUucoRELO8hrG_9g0wLT__2c&index=1

This is also Hurwitz's favorite recording of the 3rd concerto. Closest to what Rachmaninoff intended apparently, and does its form and structure 'justice' in his own words. Exciting, first time listening to Edo de Waart!

>>127272088
he specifically disliked a few aspects of it, told the creator who then had those aspects changed, then went on to sell those revised pianos himself
yeah, I'm sure the first man who sold the instrument secretly hated them. makes sense.
you're purposefully spreading misinformation. kill yourself. people who spread lies don't deserve to enjoy the real world.

>>127275748
i believe the consensus agrees that it is the best, however, warner classics has a lot of money to spend on advertising, much more than dg could ever hope to obtain, so it is my honest and most educated opinion that the consensus could very well be the result of that which i alluded to earlier. it should be noted that art et son studios is responsible for remastering the warner debussy anthology and that their engineering is in most instances great. now if you would a word on consensus what does it mean for public opinion to be driven to conclusions just because it has mass appeal? is this not one of the most dangerous, if not the most dangerous, attacks on our individual freedom as a people? how much of my decisions are based on this big money effort in altering my attitudes and thus behavior? what can we do about it?

>>127275934
Don't you like Prokofiev too? His piano concertos have the same type of romantic intensity that only the russians had at the time

>>127275934
"Rachmaninoff is music for teenagers." - Alfred Brendel

Bach

https://youtu.be/2RLY1-r46Ao?list=RD2RLY1-r46Ao&t=438

>>127275934
Probably the best Rach 3 I've ever heard. So fast, yet precise, expressive, dynamic, rich and slow actually feels slow.
>>127276326
Love Prokofiev to death, obviously. Going to listen to Toradze/Gergiev concerto cycle now.
>>127276335
I guess I'm eternally young and healthy enough to appreciate greatest beauty the world has to offer, I like that!

>>127275934
Can't ever go wrong with a Kocsis performance.

>>127276335
Brendel, RIP, seems like the kinda guy who was born at the age of 50.

>>127276485
>kinda guy who was born at the age of 50
...with no remarkable talent or taste.

>>127276335
damn I didn't know Brendel was cool like that

>>127276500
Actually he was pretty talented at playing the piano

Who did Beethoven steal Moonlight Sonata from?

>>127276695
He might have been influenced by Mozart, he didn't steal it.

>>127272800 (OP)
Prokofiev

>>127276804
>>127276814
what the fuck is this

>>127276804
>>127276814
Post link instead of the artwork bud

>>127276831
That's what I said. I hope this 1448 is just a coincidence

>>127276831
Nvm my guy I confused it with 1488

>>127276868
You've had the artwork, that's enough for just now friendo

>>127273404
Either listen to the entire 555 or fuck off. Start with Scott Ross's cycle obviously.

>>127278699
>All 555 sonatas

>>127274121
Not an argument.

>>127275822
>Every Sunday is Easter.

>>127273479
That's toxic history we need to change it to make it seem like bach instantly loved the piano

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NhDAepqo5w

>>127279512
The instrument Bach tells Pianists not to be jealous of

Hello friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQC9vxMvDU4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPzOiwK-sss
>Suzuki

>>127279590
Hi Dave

Alan Hovhaness - Symphony No. 21 (Symphony Etchmiadzin),

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkDQyqsZB2s&list=RDbkDQyqsZB2s&start_radio=1

>>127279550
lol

Recs for classical that goes hard like Mars and Allegro Con Fueco?

>>127283166
Strauss' Ein Heldenleben and Thus Spoke Zarathustra and various tone poems, Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, Liszt's Faust Symphony, Saint-Saens Symphony No. 3 'Organ'

favorite recording(s) of Ravel's Miroirs, M. 43?

>As for the Beethoven, as soon as I heard the opening 'thwack, thwack, thwack, thwack' of leather mallets on the timpani, I knew this performance was a loser. It's another misguided HIP job, with a reticent, vibrato-less, barely audible soloist and an undersized orchestra(too few string players). The fashion now is to play Beethoven's op. 61 as though it's a piece of chamber music...which doesn't work.

savage, and 'misguided HIP job' is hilarious

A neat video of the violinist Gil Shaham comparing Brahms' and Beethoven's violin concertos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwiEA2yQ4Qk

and accompanying article
https://www.violinist.com/blog/laurie/20211/28623

>You don't need to read any history to sense the connection between the Beethoven and Brahms violins concertos -- it's right there in the music. This idea led to a wonderful conversation with violinist Gil Shaham, who releases his new recording of Beethoven and Brahms on March 12. In the video below, Gil demonstrates nearly a dozen places where the two concertos mirror one another, playing on a c.1719 Strad from Rare Violins In Consortium Artists and Benefactors Collaborative.

...

>The history of this connection - between Beethoven, Joachim and Brahms - is actually quite interesting. When Gil talks about why he decided to record both the Beethoven and Brahms violins concertos together on one album, he points to one historical moment: March 11, 1848, the fateful day when Johannes Brahms, just 14 years old, watched Joseph Joachim perform the Beethoven Violin Concerto at a concert in Hamburg. "Apparently, this concert changed his life," Shaham said, citing the historical research by Styra Avins, who wrote the program notes for his new album and who also wrote the 1998 book Johannes Brahms: Life and Letters.

>Fast-forward to the 44-year-old Brahms, who had just started composing his own violin concerto. He turned, of course, to Joachim, who was by then a close friend. They talked about technical considerations, playability, etc., and Joachim wrote a cadenza which is still used today by violinists, including Gil in this recording. Brahms dedicated the work to Joachim -- who actually opened the premiere performance concert by playing the Beethoven Violin Concerto!

Fascinating stuff. Imagine that, thirty years later having the same performer premiere and contribute on your own violin concerto.

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Trio No. 5 in D Major, Op. 70 No. 1 "Ghost"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6QSai1KGz8&list=OLAK5uy_nYbILp9L6xtc5LqdzrFm3NkCWUTzgxIew&index=2

start of Beethoven: Piano Trio No. 7 in B-Flat Major, Op. 97 "Archduke"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaZzCTBG248&list=OLAK5uy_nYbILp9L6xtc5LqdzrFm3NkCWUTzgxIew&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nYbILp9L6xtc5LqdzrFm3NkCWUTzgxIew

I've been in quite the Beethoven mood this past month. It's difficult finding modern recordings of Beethoven's piano trios which satisfy my personal tastes because it seems performing them in a period-appropriate, HIP approach is the dominant fashion. I'm not outright avoiding those recordings, and indeed I've added a couple to my backlog to be listened to as some point (eg. Immerseel/Beths/Bylsma), but it's not currently my preferred choice, and certainly not what I want every recording to sound like. Anyway, hopefully this is good.

now playing

start of Beethoven: Violin Sonata No. 5 in F Major, Op. 24 "Spring"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz5vpRYEY8o&list=OLAK5uy_lSf7yFXPx-SqasWcffj8ZqWMQYvoPLCuk&index=14

start of Beethoven: Violin Sonata No. 10 in G Major, Op. 96 "The Cockrow"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFl11Pc8oA0&list=OLAK5uy_lSf7yFXPx-SqasWcffj8ZqWMQYvoPLCuk&index=18

start of Beethoven: Violin Sonata No. 6 in A Major, Op. 30 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcNXmYaD0iw&list=OLAK5uy_lSf7yFXPx-SqasWcffj8ZqWMQYvoPLCuk&index=21

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lSf7yFXPx-SqasWcffj8ZqWMQYvoPLCuk

>This is as fine a set of Beethoven violin sonatas as has ever been recorded. It has everything: excitement, character, explosive contrasts, subtle shadings, and the long cantabile line that Beethoven demands--and it's superbly recorded as well. Isabelle Faust and Alexander Melnikov form a true partnership, playing off of each other and imbuing the music with a genuine, conversational quality that's very fetching. ---- David Hurwitz, 10/10

Previn!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfrniVMJX70&list=OLAK5uy_nG3SfkeFOcJIFJJLRzzbrqVwoF2A99zH8&index=1

>>127275934
>>127276397
What do you think of this set

Amusing and interesting article about Schiff discussing playing Bach on the piano

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/aug/06/andras-schiff-bachs-goldberg-variations-dance-devil

>>127273479
>>127273870

>>127284371
Ashkenazy/Previn is pretty good, nothing against it. But not my favorite, mainly for tempo choices, but also lack of dynamics and imperfect the sound of orchestra, relative to e.g. Slatkin/Simon.

>>127284371
Ashkenazy/Previn is pretty good, nothing against it. But not my favorite, mainly for tempo choices, but also lack of dynamics and the imperfect sound of orchestra, relative to e.g. Slatkin/Simon.

>>127273479
>Bach granted his approval, to [headcanon]

some Prokofiev in honor of the edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2659MXUPP4c&list=OLAK5uy_mJRD9XI7b_huElPoSDFzF5dmqOUfrEIBI&index=1

>>127285429
The story that Bach granted approval to the piano afterwards is the real head-canon; there is no primary source attesting to that, only that he pawned one to a Polish kipchak at Silbermann’s behest.

What recording does this score video use? I really like the articulations and tempi used in this performance. The suggested recording from a reply of a comment asking the same doesn't seem to match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9YmR5zFyLE

>bach
>piano
>atheism
Oh. My. Fucking. God.

a Piano is a harpsichord, just a much much better harpsichord.

>>127286157
Piano has completely different mechanism of producing sound, haprischord plucks strings, pianos strike strings with hammer, they're not the sams.

let's try out Fazil Say's Beethoven piano sonatas cycle, here's a sampling

No 8, Pathetique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNS2wsE3k-o&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=28

No 15, Pastoral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4tWD5cHLdA&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=57

No 17, Tempest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXDa2wtddxk&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=64

No 24, A Thérèse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmQTtNog-vA&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=82

>>127286180
yeah i know, a much much better mechanism, who is Sam?

>>127284787
what are your favorite recordings of the Concertos, Slatkin?

>Certainly agree that Angela Hewitt is a star in the firmament as regards Bach's keyboard works and thank you for this review. She in particular also has popularised the Orgelbuchlein Chorale, "Alle menschen Mussen Sterben" as an encore , bravely treating a song of resignation to death as a lullaby for a general audience. It translates well to the pianoforte.

interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN2G6-fxqBc

huh, there's actually plenty of emotion, color, and personality in Schiff's Decca WTC, it's nothing like his dreadful and dry ECM WTC and ECM Bach at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIPXYK5bR_g&list=OLAK5uy_nOj9ZI9kc8GX4qzMtGz_HJyI9gq6kHbrE&index=6

>>127283364
> Saint-Saens Symphony No. 3 'Organ'
Don’t be fooled by this one my geezer

>>127286607
That's the best piece there.

>>127286607
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWPB3pjX_UU

You don't think it's aggressive and exciting and thrilling?

>>127284305
They sound like what they are - a smart businessman, working on commission, trying to fill up three quarters of an hour with whatever can pass for music, to get a large paycheck for doing so.

>>127286693
Melnikov and Faust or Beethoven? And strange you feel that way, even if you don't care for their performances, they're two musicians at the top of their game who can hardly be accused of phoning it in. Wait, are you trolling me rn? pls dont

>>127272800 (OP)
Are there any concertos for triangle?

>>127286812
No but there’s plenty for squares

>>127286812
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrfXp3g38yo

any solo Triangle works?

>>127286384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI1k4xWC2pA
kurtag did it better

now playing

start of Dvořák: Symphony No. 6 in D Major, Op. 60, B. 112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEf3it8cJt4&list=OLAK5uy_kSK2NFPnxuKtS48iBHnBiar7DGNJkt-wM&index=30

start of Dvořák: Symphony No. 7 in D Minor, Op. 70, B. 141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCyvLzq-OQU&list=OLAK5uy_kSK2NFPnxuKtS48iBHnBiar7DGNJkt-wM&index=34

start of Dvořák: Symphony No. 8 in G Major, Op. 88, B. 163
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rgtOXSrU3I&list=OLAK5uy_kSK2NFPnxuKtS48iBHnBiar7DGNJkt-wM&index=38

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kSK2NFPnxuKtS48iBHnBiar7DGNJkt-wM

>>127287683
>The back of the jewel box pretty much lets you know what you’re in for: it’s a photo of Bostridge and pianist Mitsuko Uchida standing alongside each other, the pianist’s hands folded at the waist, eyes closed, a serene smile on her lips, simulating spiritual repose. He towers above in fashionable black, leans toward her, arms crossed, eyes closed in an aspect of otherworldly saintliness. They’re bearers of Spiritual Art, Keepers of the Sanctified Flame. It makes me long for those unabashedly semi-porn covers of girl violinists’ cleavages.

>>127287683
>>127287695
lmao

the description on the second post is too good, it really couldn't be written better than that

>>127286134
Bach was acutally a piano

it's a Faure's Nocturnes kinda day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTydwTRzugI&list=OLAK5uy_m9oL7db083mA78uh8mhRpuqisHM6bggVk&index=6

>>127286289
Slatkin/Simon and Litton/Hough for 1st, 2nd, 4th, and Kocsis for 3rd. I actually haven't listened to Kocsis other concertos so I might change my mind when I do, but yeah Slatkin and Litton are absolutely the best.

Man, nothing is sounding good today. Maybe I should take a break from classical music for a bit.

inb4
>sibelius
>makela
>that's your problem

yeah yeah, I'm only pressing play on it now, so nice try.

What are some musics like Gympedos and Gnossiens by Erik Satie?

>>127288201
I would peep the other French composers with solo piano music, like Poulenc, Faure (>>127287907), Debussy, certain Ravel. Grieg's Lyric Pieces would probably be up your alley.

>>127283166
Don't be put off by the Gay in the title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAA918JlNyo&list=RDvAA918JlNyo&start_radio=1&ab_channel=Bat%C3%BBldeM.

r
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce3OERuCY0E&list=RDCe3OERuCY0E&start_radio=1&ab_channel=PeterChen2.0

Hekla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AQ24wuylqI&list=RD-AQ24wuylqI&start_radio=1&ab_channel=lexlex

Don't be put off by the Gey in the title
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsbELUEQsFQ&list=RDIsbELUEQsFQ&start_radio=1&ab_channel=IcelandSymphonyOrchestra-Topic

I don’t know what Philip Glass is up to these days but he should definitely consider making an album of orchestral versions of Aphex Twin songs.

https://youtu.be/PL4DHLVgO7Q

best Bruckner 8?
preferably with the rhythm in the adagio played very clearly, so no lush "wall-of-sound" type recordings, but rather transparent ones.

>>127286625
>aggressive
Like Michael Cera telling you to back off his girlfriend

>>127289899
>but rather transparent ones.
I think the usual recommendation here is Boulez/Vienna then. For me, I'd say Blomstedt/Gewandhaus.

Boulez adagio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kFqR7QApRg&list=OLAK5uy_mb3oPotZ-3cYlT8ZKojT5H5mCo7FPzoeU&index=3

Blomstedt adagio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzVDyj-pztM&list=OLAK5uy_lfO0D9nEkr5K3Y2guLjYSdcJG2JqDLlyE&index=31

>>127290264
>29 minute long adagio
uh thanks but I'll have to pass lol
boulez is alright but still not how I'd do it. I always felt this rhythm needed more of a "waltz"-y pulse than most conductors give it

best Rachmaninov symphony cycle? fatass says Slatkin/Detroit

>>127290673
You are mentally ill.

why bother trying to pick around with Bruckner when you can just do Jochum for the whole set?

>>127290678
yeah

>>127290687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-7n-gXtal8
you can find recordings like this one

>>127290651
Maybe you're one of those who this cycle was made for then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIX2CYJJ6MA&list=OLAK5uy_kMTyc_NFLrEvt_EAEdN17Su8SOUPG58mE&index=3

>>127290687
Jochum's fine but really isn't the end-all-be-all. Bruckner's music just lends itself to interpretation -- every conductor does it differently, so why not enjoy the wonderful music in multiple shades and colors?

>>127289899
try Janowski

>>127289899
>>127289899
Roger Norrington

>>127290687
Jochum is only my favorite with the 6th, where he ties with Poschner. the rest all have better alternatives to my liking.

now playing

start of Schubert: Violin Sonata in A Major "Duo", Op. 162, D. 574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i6r-ierCZE&list=OLAK5uy_nhZvjf-FnlZs6iQb3m-DCUA_Y5jXPV9Sw&index=2

start of Schubert: Fantasy in C Major, Op. 159, D. 934
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-k1HsNWfvY&list=OLAK5uy_nhZvjf-FnlZs6iQb3m-DCUA_Y5jXPV9Sw&index=6

start of Schubert: Fantasia in F Minor for Piano Duet, Op. 103, D. 940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESMyuGr0cU&list=OLAK5uy_nhZvjf-FnlZs6iQb3m-DCUA_Y5jXPV9Sw&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nhZvjf-FnlZs6iQb3m-DCUA_Y5jXPV9Sw

>>127290806
lol

does Bruckner count as Classical or Romantic?

>>127290864
:^)

>>127290872
late romantic

>>127290897
source?

>>127290914
me

few things better than putting on a Debussy set and getting comfy in bed while it plays through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhrsmGZJV2c&list=OLAK5uy_m86_vuN78UsXdnJrzS_bhDUXRue8h9fEk&index=1

>>127290963
Which piece is that?

>>127291022
i thinjfk its

>>127291031
??? What number?

>>127291033
i think so

>>127289899
For upmost transparency, I would have to give it to Janowski. It's one of the few recordings that gets the accented syncopations between the trombone and horns correct.
https://youtu.be/Zfmc3E01sv8?list=RDZfmc3E01sv8&t=945
Overall favorite for upmost rhythmic punctuation and is probably Beinum, though. It's also astonishingly transparent for a mono recording. A good stereo alternative would probably be Bohm's live Berlin recording on Testament.

>>127291045
Thank you. It really does seem like early Debussy is best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxzsl1UOyJ8
Damn, these tapes are something else

>>127272800 (OP)
I've been listening to Rachmaninoff Symphonic dances and in the first movement around 9:49 (see timestamped youtube link) percussion instruments give three strong notes in quick succession (the sequence is repeated twice, followed by winds playing the same afterwards):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF9cmCgM8ew&t=588s

I'm 99% percent sure I heard some other classical piece with absolutely the same percussion, although it had a different development. But damn I can't remember where I heard it, maybe some kind anon recognizes this two-second fragment?

does Wagner count as Renaissance or Baroque?

>>127291170
Definitely Renaissance.

>>127291172
based Schillinger reader.

>>127291170
Neoclassicism in music.

Meistersinger is Neo-Baroque

>>127291234
the Meistersinger is Neo-Renaissance you tard.

>>127291158
That's funny because I always think the same thing when I hear that same segment, and I always forget which piece it is that's similar. I'll keep your post in mind and if I remember or come across it, I'll let you know.

But yes, I know the feeling you're talking about. My immediate response is Dvorak's Slavonic Dances but I don't think that's quite right... Tchaikovsky maybe? hmm

>>127291253
Is it true Wagner used real Renaissance Meistersinger melodies?

>>127291296
yes. the opening theme was based on a 16th century cantus firmus.

too fast for me but i'm sure some of y'all will love it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eHcqn4IKH0&list=OLAK5uy_mUHEoa-F3R1-TaG7EWiDhC587_kmVgnro&index=91

>>127291313
Interesting. Is there anywhere I can hear the original?

>>127291405
https://www.google.com/

>>127291039
holy shit Beinum's adagio is so good. I'm sticking with that and Mravinsky

>>127291478
Good choice. I like the Mravinsky one too.

>>127291478
>I'm sticking with that and Mravinsky
O_o

you guys, uh, do you I guess

anyone here try this cycle by Melodie Zhao?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q30ybfNCjAM&list=OLAK5uy_mBS4ZUSnN3A_Uiu6XxTbwxtoJABHgRbJ4&index=86

I saw someone on another forum say her playing was "too beautiful for [them]" lol

>>127291552
What's wrong with Mravinsky? He's a great conductor.

>>127291595
It's 2025 and I'm not 55 years old

Nah I just wanted to bust ur balls, like whomever you want

>>127291604
Wouldn't have this problem if contemporary conductors didn't insist on playing Bruckner like 85 year olds.

>>127291354
you're right I do love it
thanks for sharing

>>127291664
Jed Distler has it as one of his reference cycles, probably worth checking out if you enjoyed that.

Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNR_ObmG8jg

he studied with clara schumann, very cool

>>127291708
>he studied with clara schumann
Isn't that more of an embarrassing fact you'd want kept quiet?

>>127291786
are you for real?

>>127291287
Thank you! It's been driving me nuts because I always think it should continue differently but also don't fully remember how.

It's not Dvorak's Slavonic Dances - I just listened to them to check. Although a lot of similar passages (especially Dvořák: Slavonic Dances, Op. 46, B. 83: No. 8 in G Minor. Furiant. Presto and Dvořák: Slavonic Dances, Op. 72, B. 147: No. 7 in C Major. Serbian Kolo. Presto), I certainly see the similarities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkX35hkkGZg&list=PLyuqYwVVVx2dbl38uOt2AmRhYidjmcoWS&index=8

Liszt Lucrezia Borgia, Huang
https://youtu.be/DwL_AP_3oOs?si=dSUnYtyEcfDq6Bi_
Not everyones cup of tea, but this guy has made some legendary recordings

>>127292394
>asian
pass

>>127291708
Check out Bruce Hungerford. One of his students, and extremely talented. Left some great Beethoven and Brahms.

>>127292415
if you let race be the determining factor on what you listen to you will miss out on great recordings

>>127292394
some more favorites
https://youtu.be/0NyHXCcJjC8?si=lvzLkE_KLD8JgEDe
https://youtu.be/FfnHPIL_oHc?si=QdcQ1N_8acdHKinR
https://youtu.be/b2SvOtu5WiI?si=a5Jx7JP7EAbEaZUB
https://youtu.be/_cuqIyn5Xeo?si=gGMIBpAs4OcOv2QE
https://youtu.be/7fpp0JKOlFM?si=NTDbQYTyKVFY4olU

best Mozart sonata cycle?

>>127293615
Prosseda is pretty good

>>127292067
>>127291158
fuck I went to sleep and upon waking up, the theme has been stuck in my mind since

dodo DO dodo DO dodo DO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHy6N5GdV4U&list=OLAK5uy_nH-Z6BzaBnBTksqwSMct-wHsWFWbSItko&index=7

damn Rachmaninoff sounds like THAT???

>>127275536
Time for the Partitas, maybe English suites. Then maybe art of fugue if you can handle it.

Perahia is good
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oakfbyp0dRo

>>127272900
Martinů
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1j_K752Wac

now playing

start of Chopin: Nocturnes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3QTWn41W7Q&list=OLAK5uy_l56ekZ1o8S2X-c-DWhYV4xMNE0vVNzJdM&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l56ekZ1o8S2X-c-DWhYV4xMNE0vVNzJdM

>Say presents 15 of the canonic 21 Nocturnes in startlingly unconventional readings that raise more questions than they answer. ---- Gramophone

guess we'll see what that means

anyone else find it more difficult to listen through long piano cycles than symphonies? for example, an hour-to-hour-and-a-half of symphonic music is no problem, but piano works which last over an hour always considerably tax my attention -- for example, I don't think I've ever listened through the entirety of Bach's Goldberg Variations or Chopin's Nocturnes in one sitting before, at least not while paying attention the entire time, sad as that is to say.

>>127294776
Both are daunting to listen to for 40+ minutes, my attention span does not last longer than that. But I find piano more engaging and easier to listen to and longer lengths, but that's just me.

>>127294943
>and longer lengths,
at*

>>127294943
Performances of Chopin's Nocturnes last anywhere from 100 minutes to 2 hours! Or listening to an entire book of Bach's WTC in one sitting, also crazy. Though I will say I feel the same about choral works too -- 160 minutes to three hours of Bach's St Matthew Passion in one sitting? phew, though I'd imagine in a live concert setting there's intermissions for that

I wonder if it's corruption of modern influences on my attention span or whether I just don't love listening to music as much as some people, those who can listen to music for hours and hours with total focus and doing nothing else; I can do it, but only if there's some browsing the internet or going for a walk involved as well.

Debussy morning, about time I finally go through this popular Thioller set of the solo piano music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaQtCcAcnho&list=OLAK5uy_mVb6M2rTNHOUPjiAYH6RjZt7GfMvTHw6s&index=1

Wolf
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=pqVEvxDhDtg

comparison of recordings of Chopin's immortal 24 Preludes, Op. 28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5C5CJwsGBk&list=OLAK5uy_nog_d0Hc2EK05CWlGWVwexjH-qCP_rHQU&index=15

gotta love Sokolov. this recording also contains the second piano sonata and Op. 25 Etudes, so give it a whirl

>>127294943
>>127294990
For me it depends on a movement to movement basis. If all the movements are captivating the length of the work does not matter for me. But sometimes a certain movement (Usually a slow movement) can really kill the flow for me. Though that slow movements are really hard to captivate me also leads the ones that do to be some of my favorite movements in all of music, so it balances out.

>>127295059
Sokolov looks like Boris Johnson

Papageno scares me in how accurate he is, were incels always made fun of even in those times? ;-;

>>127294990
>I wonder if it's corruption of modern influences on my attention span or whether I just don't love listening to music as much as some people
It's both. The cultural influence mainly, which stems from generally less attention span among all native populations (e.g. backward digit span, a heritable trait, measured from 1923-2008, appears to be declining)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3VDGnxq8sk
kek

i tried listening to Mahler's second symphony and i don't know, nothing really grabbed me, i was just kind of bored for an hour and twenty minutes, did i do it wrong?

>>127295742
Listen to Klemperer's, it's probably the only good recording.

>>127295748
that is the one i listened to

>>127295750
Well, listen again, or try other recording some other day, all the advice I can give ya. I didn't like Mahler at first either, it comes with time, but it's highly rewarding. Do you like any other Mahler symphony?

>>127295757
this is the first Mahler symphony i have listened to

>>127295761
They're all quite different, but honestly nothing except maybe the 5th clicked immediately, you gotta give it a time. I would suggest you try 2nd a few more times, and/or pick any other symphony - especially 5, 6, maybe 4, 8

>>127295742
you have to be impressionable, a bit of a man-child, in order to enjoy mahler. you have to believe that making lots of noise is being "expressive". you seem to really get mahler, for which i commend you, in that you recognize his music for what it is: a big nothing.

>>127295780
>

pieces that i have thoroughly enjoyed so far:
Wagner - Lohengrin Prelude, Faust, Rienzi Overture
Rachmaninov - PC 2, Paganini Rhapsody, Symphony 2
Dvořák - Symphony 9
Chopin - Nocturnes, Sonatas 2 & 3, Preludes, Ballades
Medtner - Forgotten Melodies
Tchaikovsky - Symphony 6, Swan Lake
Prokofiev - Classical Symphony
where do i go from here?

>>127295812
there's this guy called beethoven.

>>127295812
Brahms Symphony 4, Piano Quintet
And other works by those composers, like:
Wagner Tristan und Isolde (prelude and liebestod)
Rachmaninov PC3
Dvořák Cello Concerto
Chopin PC1
Medtner Sonata Night Wind
Tchaikovsky PC1
Prokofiev PC2

Fauré
https://youtu.be/umryo_Znn24?si=_NCbmIuFnoUm9UOz

>>127295059
dumg george, sokolov plays like a brute
it works but not in chopin's case

>>127295812
>>127295891
>Lohengrin Prelude
>Tristan und Isolde (prelude and liebestod)
No one ever listens to entire Wagner operas anymore.

>>127295812
The same path you're already going. Seems you're mostly into symphonies at the moment, so Beethoven, Mozart, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Brahms, Dvorak 7 and 8, Tchaikovsky 5 and 6, Shostakovich, maybe some more Russians like Borodin and Glazunov and Rimsky's Scheherazade. Then some violin concertos, like Beethoven, Brahms, Mendelssohn, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Schumann, Prokofiev, Shostakovich

also more piano music, like Beethoven's piano sonatas, Mozart's piano sonatas, Bach's Goldberg Variations and WTC, Brahms' solo piano work, Schubert's late piano sonatas, Schumann's solo piano work, etc etc

>>127295982
i'm planing on listening to Lohengrin, the Kempe one seems to be the most highly rated one right?

>>127295982
We're trying to get them to enjoy classical, not run away.

What's the most epic classical film score and why is it Battle on the Ice by Prokofiev?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyDKezDLGTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QHarIKmNZU&list=OLAK5uy_kgokUrJTcET7aak3NR2HF0x54G5H_EMWU&index=2

holy shit, Liszt sounds like THAT??? :OOO

>>127295891
>>127295812
listen to Mozart's string quintets, Arensky and Litolff's piano trios

>>127296015
Yeah, that's the one.

>>127295742
>>127295761
I generally like Mahler but never cared much for the 2nd. Try his 5th symphony.

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6BtDBu_PT4

>>127295476
What is his issue with Boulez?

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsWsu7bOmjk

I am convinced that Bruckner's 8th symphony is the best thing mankind has ever done

>>127296930
It would be if it wasn't for the 9th symphony + Te Deum (The real 4th movement)

Does Mahokun like Mahler as much as Bruckner

>>127297228
Mahler is a bit symphony-to-symphony to me. Some bore me a little bit, some are REALLY good (Though every symphony by him has a standout movement). With Bruckner I love everything he composed. I think he his structure is ideal for long-form instrumental works.

If Anton, then Webern.

If Sergei, then Prokomaninoff.

if Wolf, then Gangamadeusmozart

Why is development often so emphasized by people when introducing people to classical music when most of the sonatas and symphonies by mozart and haydn use the development section more as a bridge than a emphasized part of the music

>>127295742
>>127295748
>>127296423
i'll try it again another time, usually when i'm not "feeling" a piece it's just because i wasn't in the mood for what it was doing, i'm sure i'll return to it at some point and enjoy it.

>>127297679
unironically jews

>>127297679
It's not? At least not in my experience. Much more attention is usually given to the exposition and its contrast of themes/keys.

>>127295992
Such boring recommendations

>>127297679
>Why is development often so emphasized by people when introducing people to classical music
Development happens almost all the time in any Mozart and Haydn sonata form structures. You'll rarely hear the theme restated in exactly the same way except for exposition repeat or recap. The theme is constantly evolving and pushing boundries, in the exposition it happens in tonic and dominant key. The development section just takes it a step further with modulations and heightens drama.
I'm not sure if development is "emphasized" to new listeners, but they are pretty important, and often quite long in romantic music, and it's what sets is apart from pre-classical forms as well as pop music.

Was there ever any evidence of Mozart's symphonies being played skipping the repeats?

>>127297769
*In his time?

>>127297740
I mean they're just starting out and those are the essential basics... I'm not gonna recommend them Britten's Cello Concerto or Berg's Violin Concerto or Per Nørgård's symphonies at this juncture, and then names like Elgar, Debussy, Ravel, Weinberg, Berlioz, and so on they can always get to later the next time they ask for a set of recommendations or once they learn to discovered music on their own.

And as always, you're free to make your own recommendations instead of criticizing other's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcNv0gpdL_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXVTCrTnVP8

>>127297740
i hope one day fate allows me to punch you in the face

Reading mozart's scores made me realize that it's a waste of time writing for transposing instruments. Dude just wrote all the brass instruments as "in C" and continued writing like they're any other instruments

>>127292477
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSdPNy_T7B8
ok thanks, sounds good for what im hearing

now playing

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 6 in A Major, Op. 82
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw3IeWXiw7c&list=OLAK5uy_mGv25MxSJ11k156eN6a6qaZkxK9jxXeZo&index=14

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 7 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EHalh9IquQ&list=OLAK5uy_mGv25MxSJ11k156eN6a6qaZkxK9jxXeZo&index=18

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 8 in B-Flat Major, Op. 84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4STo4EhnXA&list=OLAK5uy_mGv25MxSJ11k156eN6a6qaZkxK9jxXeZo&index=21

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 9 in C Major, Op. 103
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjh3N5Q09bw&list=OLAK5uy_mGv25MxSJ11k156eN6a6qaZkxK9jxXeZo&index=23

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mGv25MxSJ11k156eN6a6qaZkxK9jxXeZo

putting on Rostropo's Tchaikovsky set, getting in bed, and letting it play through kinda afternoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZNn7rpFFVc&list=OLAK5uy_kMEixP5emqmdqK0-QM7Z6F2tSGdvSpCew&index=9

Best Mahler 4s? Bored of Szell's.

>>127298472
Like the 9th, there's lots and lots of great ones, but also like the 9th, there's a clear standout for me: MTT/SF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK8nEOOQkuQ&list=OLAK5uy_k7ob6i_aXp628odbYPxHvg0s2VGlsbkq0&index=1

Incredible.

With my main backups these days being Karajan/BPO, Maazel/Vienna (when I want a real slow tempo), and and Levine/Chicago.

>>127272800 (OP)
J. Haydn Sonata n°53 in E minor Hob XVI/34

>>127298524
Yikes

>>127297787
My recommendations are Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Mozart, Schubert, Schumann etc etc

i'd like to recommend heinrich isaac, pierre de la rue, jan pieterszoon sweelinck, adam krieger, johann heinrich schmelzer, carl heinrich graun, johann adolf hasse, arthur honegger

If I had been a composer in a past life, surely I would have been Elgar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wubg436pziY

>>127298713
post some pieces by them, then

>>127298524
lmfao

>overture to the Rosenkavalier is literally describing sex
I never noticed that before lol.

now playing

start of Fauré: Impromptu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-nmgNPPlME&list=OLAK5uy_kJj-xBcXIvcUvFFKkL_mQOXPeoSv1sh94&index=2

start of Fauré: Valse-caprice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D_Ch4wKyb8&list=OLAK5uy_kJj-xBcXIvcUvFFKkL_mQOXPeoSv1sh94&index=23

start of Fauré: Barcarolle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaNT9gDmAeQ&list=OLAK5uy_kJj-xBcXIvcUvFFKkL_mQOXPeoSv1sh94&index=27

Fauré: Ballade in F-Sharp Major, Op. 19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZlMrZZHZQo&list=OLAK5uy_kJj-xBcXIvcUvFFKkL_mQOXPeoSv1sh94&index=40

start of Fauré: Nocturne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owtEEVxClKo&list=OLAK5uy_kJj-xBcXIvcUvFFKkL_mQOXPeoSv1sh94&index=40

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kJj-xBcXIvcUvFFKkL_mQOXPeoSv1sh94

One of the essential, if not the essential, Faure solo piano sets to own.

>>127298472
mengelberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc2hxQoxFiY

Can't stand the sound of a piano. But no one asked. Excuse me for the outburst.

>>127299001
It has it's issues no one would deny that. It does get fairly grating. The top two notes just sound bad and should be removed

>>127298849
>isaac
https://youtu.be/rI712ZGflAQ?si=I_NlDm7aXSI-H9Cq

>de la rue
https://youtu.be/RXk09sRIQuo?si=iumemqANYiRSpgkB

>sweelinck
https://youtu.be/q71qsH_g8b0?si=Kf7T6SZETudrIFCa

>krieger
https://youtu.be/gsnCf33_jyY?si=5aS__MffPxOmfRIj

>schmelzer
https://youtu.be/DmKxSepVWf4?si=HBbClmr6TjXiX2eA

>graun
https://youtu.be/ixvCooitBxk?si=FD0NCLQPoUy3m9eW

>hasse
https://youtu.be/Gwjgf3N4RsY?si=Ug1Wk1cVMgFHLDXX

>honegger
https://youtu.be/n7YGD_NOFJA?si=rme59DeOoHftAg4O

>>127299091
based 'bach n b4, ives n after' anon

>>127299001
>>127299053
It's the most perfect instrument for me. I can listen to solo piano all day and not get bored at all. Orchestra kinda has a fatigue point though, and so does non-piano chamber music. I don't know why but piano just makes anything "non-fatigueable", piano quintets, trios, piano concertos are all my favorite genres.

>>127299175
indefatigable too :p

the piano is the instrument of the Western mind, the violin its soul, and cello its heart

the penis is the instrument of the Western mind, the vagina its soul, and boypussy its heart

>>127299188
kek

>>127299210
meaningless

>>127299227
inspirational

>>127299210
Piano is OK but gets tiresome
Violin can sound really bad solo and in groups
Cello is unlistenable solo

>>127299227
>>127299250
samefag non-classical listening shitposter

>>127299297
Presumably stoned same shitter

I mean you get solo violin played by supposedly the best players ever and it makes a sound like Huh HUueeeeeeeeee and that's good, thats what they're going for, that's the sound of the violin being played correctly

>>127299297
meaningless

I like to listen to Roussel's symphonies and pretend they were composed by Debussy :3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGNStVYcc8Y

>>127294185
>>127291287
William Tell Overture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awFoZIO0g1Q

When I first got into Prokofiev, I remember finding his string quartets what enjoyable. When I tried them again a couple months ago, they were some of the worst string quartets I'd ever heard. What do you guys think about them?

>>127299210
I think you mean the horn not the cello

Haffner is such a charming little symphony. Find myself coming back to it all the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up4_6UKrcxE

>>127296537
Boulez must have been a bigot, an antisemite who refused to gorge on African Land Fish. KOEK.

>>127299227
>>127299210
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Bach was an atheist
That's why his music is so soulless

>>127300385
Kys

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHYithGyz1M

>>127300385
t. illiterate moron who can’t understand German

>>127300400
Was that kid in front edited in?

>>127299961
Yeah it's easily the one of his late symphonies I listen to most these days, mainly because it still has some freshness for me, 40 and 41 are too familiar, silly as that may sound.

>>127300400
>Schame dich

If Bach were alive in the 1930s/40s, he would have been a card-carrying member of the NSDAP. Bach was an antisemite, like all Christians of the time. If you asked Bach who killed Christ, he would have told you it was the Jews.

>>127291354
I even saw the lights on the Goodyear Blimp
And it read, "Ice Cube's a PIMP"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8nLAi3jiTk&list=OLAK5uy_mUHEoa-F3R1-TaG7EWiDhC587_kmVgnro&index=97

>>127300551
Who. Gives. A. Shit.

>>127300551
Being a drone in a police state dictatorship is not something to be proud of

>>127300548
> Do not be ashamed, o soul, to acknowledge your Savior

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>>127300592
Shalom

I asked poster >>127300551 if he gave fellatio, the first thing out of his mouth was a jew.

Desu The Joi of Trans Desire

>>127300592
But enough about the UK…

>>127300652
What a moronic response

>>127300485
That is one of the Pharisees’ boypussies

>>127300503
I get what you mean, I tend to have that with Prague. I still think it's a great work but I over-listened to it. Though Jupiter I'll probably never get tired of

>>127300672
Ignorant imbecile.

I apologize again for my outburst. I didn't mean "all pianos". Acknowledge your replies. Lots to learn.

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