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Anonymous No.127298441 >>127298550 >>127298861 >>127298938 >>127299224 >>127299571 >>127299611 >>127300000 >>127300167 >>127301193 >>127302788 >>127303974 >>127305218 >>127305847 >>127306846 >>127307204 >>127308064
Do you read music notation, /mu/?
Anonymous No.127298510
yes
Anonymous No.127298550
>>127298441 (OP)
Not like I should.
Anonymous No.127298861
>>127298441 (OP)
No
Anonymous No.127298938 >>127298948 >>127300130
>>127298441 (OP)
Of course. If you call yourself a musician, but you can't even read music, you're just playing pretend.
Anonymous No.127298948
>>127298938
ouch. sad.
Anonymous No.127298964
Yes, I can read a little. Not quickly, but I'm capable, and can even play a little based on the notation.
Anonymous No.127299224 >>127299448 >>127299460
>>127298441 (OP)
Only treble clef.
Anonymous No.127299362 >>127299439
All Fags Eat Ass
Anonymous No.127299439
>>127299362
Very funny anon
Anonymous No.127299448 >>127299478 >>127299539 >>127299647 >>127299829 >>127301355 >>127301623 >>127301932 >>127303257
>>127299224
Here you go.
Anonymous No.127299460 >>127299478
>>127299224
That's okay. All clefs follow the same pattern, the only difference is where middle C is located. If you can read any clef, that means you can comprehend music both vertically and horisontally, which puts you ahead of most so-called musicians.
Anonymous No.127299478
>>127299448
>>127299460
Danke.
Anonymous No.127299539
>>127299448
Not really a fan of mnemonics for learning the staffs. Just learn the major scale, it's already alphabetic, learn where middle C is, then figure out the rest based on that. When advanced musicians sight-read, they're not looking at the music note for note, but rather as a string of notes in a pattern, such as a scale, arpeggio or chord.
Anonymous No.127299571
>>127298441 (OP)
yes. can you?
Anonymous No.127299611 >>127299651 >>127299713
>>127298441 (OP)
I only read tab
Anonymous No.127299647 >>127299849
>>127299448
Empty Garbage Before Dad Flips
Anonymous No.127299651 >>127299901
>>127299611
Saying you can read tab is like saying you can read books, when all you can read is picture books and you just look at the pictures.
Anonymous No.127299713 >>127301216 >>127301932
>>127299611
Anonymous No.127299829 >>127299849
>>127299448
Every Gooner Becomes Deterministically Faggot
Anonymous No.127299849 >>127302509
>>127299647
>>127299829
Whatever helps you, man.
Anonymous No.127299900 >>127299923 >>127299941 >>127300159
You can play in all the keys, right? Not just C?
Anonymous No.127299901 >>127299938
>>127299651
Not really. Tabs has always been the way to write guitar, because the same note will sound very different in different places, and fingering has a lot of potential to end up in bad situation if you don't already know what's coming up later.
Anonymous No.127299923
>>127299900
Totally. Can't sight-read though.
Anonymous No.127299938
>>127299901
>fingering has a lot of potential to end up in bad situation if you don't already know what's coming up later.
Anonymous No.127299941 >>127299954 >>127300049
>>127299900
Anything more than four flats or four sharps is scary.
Anonymous No.127299954 >>127300003 >>127300049
>>127299941
and gratuitous, like if you're gonna write something in F# major, just write it in G. It'll be much easier to read, and the only people who will notice a difference when they hear it are the perfect pitch nerds.
Anonymous No.127300000 >>127300251 >>127301683
>>127298441 (OP)
Of course, I'm not a retarded dilettante.
Anonymous No.127300003 >>127300178 >>127303889
>>127299954
Go to 9:38 for reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFrhar5XexU
Anonymous No.127300049 >>127300067 >>127300109 >>127300183
>>127299941
>>127299954
>BOO!
Anonymous No.127300067
>>127300049
AHHHHHHHHH
Anonymous No.127300109 >>127300151
>>127300049
I got you beat by one sharp. Here's my current piece. You've got the more fucked up time signature though.
Anonymous No.127300130
>>127298938
/thread
Anonymous No.127300151
>>127300109
Oh yeah I forgot about WTC lol
Anonymous No.127300159
>>127299900
How do I get the minor keys counting down from C?
Anonymous No.127300167
>>127298441 (OP)
Yes I do. That's in the key of H.
Anonymous No.127300178
>>127300003
Based.
Anonymous No.127300183 >>127300239 >>127300298 >>127301227
>>127300049
>double sharp
why does this exist? just write the fucking note. "its not in the key" thats why regular flats and sharps exist what the FUCk
Anonymous No.127300239
>>127300183
Because it's theoretically correct. Deal with it. Learn it or be a failure.
>wahhh I'm scared of double sharps
>wahhh I'm so terrified of f sharp major
lolz!
Anonymous No.127300251
>>127300000
Holy digits
Anonymous No.127300298
>>127300183
It's often convenient to use double sharps when you modulate to the dominant in a piece with a lot sharps. I got scared the first time I came across one in the wild too, you'll get used to it.
Anonymous No.127301193 >>127301201
>>127298441 (OP)
I posted this in a different subforum but I think it will get lost there and go to archive. So I think it would be a lot better posted in this thread...

There is this awesome always free/open source course by Chelsea Cook on Sight Reading For Guitar. It has been updated a few times since original release. Kind of an on-going project but very complete and usable now.

It's got the ebook, video and audio mp3s for free and is actually pretty good. I've been using it and I like it. Not super exciting but very effective and you'll learn how to sight read quickly and properly. Hope it helps out.

https://press.rebus.community/sightreadingforguitar/

Sight-Reading for Guitar - The Keep Going Method Book and Video Series
By: Chelsea Green

Book Description: Sight-Reading for Guitar: The Keep Going Method Book and Video Series teaches guitar players from all musical backgrounds to understand, read and play modern staff notation in real time. The Keep Going Method is designed to impart the knowledge, skills and attitudes needed for sight-reading with efficiency, fun and encouragement.

Oh and I have found two other websites that can help you practice learning your notes in game style.

https://www.guitarorb.com/reading-music
and
https://www.richmanmusicschool.com/products/name-that-note

The second one asks for your email address to post your high score, it's NOT required to use the game. They don't sell your email address either, but it was implemented because people were hacking the high scores and putting in bad words, etc.

Anyhow, I use those two sites a lot to practice my note reading. You can pick any clef you want.
Anonymous No.127301201
>>127301193
This is a direct link to chapter 1 online edition of the site reading course as their website isn't exactly obvious how to start to read the book.
https://press.rebus.community/sightreadingforguitar/chapter/chapter-1/
Anonymous No.127301216 >>127301386
>>127299713
numbers?
Anonymous No.127301227
>>127300183
So that the note appears in the correct position on the staff that matches its function. For example, in G sharp minor - there's 5 sharps. Often the 7th is raised in a minor key. That would be F double sharp. Just writing G would be confusing because you'd be writing flattened tonic. Functionally, the note is a raised f sharp, not a lowered tonic.
Anonymous No.127301355 >>127301421
>>127299448
For guitar, I use a different mnemonic phrase.
Every Guitarist Benefits Doing Fingerstyle

Also, learn to read these note groupings in reverse so you're not stuck using mnemonics. Mnemonics are fine when first learning and will get you unstuck but will slow you down over time so the faster you ween yourself off them, the better.

For example...

FACE the treble clef spaces, becomes ECAF
EGBDF becomes FDBGE. If you use the Bass Clef, then those lines are GBDFA which becomes AFDBG. It's spaces ACEG becomes GECA.

Also, you have a hand I assume? Well guess what? It has 5 lines and 4 spaces on it to match your fingers. So you have a portable practice tool with you at all times. Just remember the bottom finger is the E of Every of the mnemonic phrase I told you about earlier. You can add the D note in the space below the E and the G note above the last line (the F note) to extend the staff by 2 extra notes. Ledger lines are then used after this for further extension which can be confusing but its doable with practice. But what I've taught you already covers strings 4 through 1 on the guitar in frets 1 to 3 (first position).

the G, is ALWAYS the second line on the treble clef. The swirl of the treble clef G symbol circles the 2nd line which is the G note...so G symbol is telling you as a landmark, the 2nd line is a G.

The 3rd like is a B note. 3 rhymes with B. 3B is how I remember this. You can also say the 3rd line is IN-B-TWEEN the other lines since it's the middle line on the staff. This 3rd line is also where the note stems change from upward facing to downward facing for readability sake. So this is another clue for you.

But yes, everything is alphabetical EFGABCDE... on and on and on since there are only 7 natural notes (ABCDEFG...back to A again. NOT H).
Anonymous No.127301386 >>127301868 >>127303018
>>127301216
This is TAB short for tablature. It tells you which strings and fingers to use to play the strings. It doesn't tell you duration or rhythm (how long to hold a note).

in that diagram you linked to it says press the 6th string 1st fret, then the 5th string OPEN (no pressing anything), then press the 6th string 3rd fret.

It doesn't tell you how long to press them or how fast...it gets you started but you have to listen to the music to get the rhythm. Where as musical notation tells you how long to hold the notes you finger on the fretboard.
Anonymous No.127301421 >>127301444
>>127301355
Here, I created this for my girlfriend when I was learning but we broke up. Save this, print this. I created it so I am giving it out for free and there is no copyright.
Anonymous No.127301444
>>127301421
Here is part 2 for the Bass Clef (F Clef).

Note, there is a part 3 that I haven't created yet that will talk about ledger lines (the extended lines) but I just haven't got around to designing it yet.
Anonymous No.127301623
>>127299448
Fags
All
Catch
Epidemics
Anonymous No.127301683 >>127301772
>>127300000
Holy shit, quintuples!
Anonymous No.127301772
>>127301683
Checked! Great job. Go buy a lotto ticket.
Anonymous No.127301868 >>127301938
>>127301386
exactly correct. Usually TAB is underneath a regular music staff, so you can get all the musical information, but TAB itself is just for people who are too lazy to figure out the frets themselves.
Anonymous No.127301932
Im learning how to. Its not as hard as you think but its an uphill battle

>>127299448
just saying whatever note im playing out loud when i play it helped me learned. these never worked for me

>>127299713
kek
Anonymous No.127301938 >>127302140
>>127301868
>but TAB itself is just for people who are too lazy to figure out the frets themselves
How do people that make tabs tell the difference between let's say an A# power chord on 2nd fret A string vs A# power chord on 7th fret low E string. Hope I'm making sense
Anonymous No.127302014 >>127303150
As for TAB guitar methods that are actually fun and will get you started fast:

There are some great series by Hal Leonard called
Hal Leonard Acoustic Guitar Tab Method - Book 1 and Book 2.

Also,

Hal Leonard - Guitar Tab Method - Book 1, Book 2 and Book 3. There is also Guitar Tab Method Songbook 1 and Songbook 2 that goes with this series.

I would highly recommend newbies look into using these books. They are available for free online if you know where to look. I happen to have all of them so I'm telling you from experience they're good and will get you interested and playing guitar regularly. But they won't teach you music notation. They will use song bits you already know from popular rock songs or similar. So you're not playing Yankee Doodle or kids songs but rather rock songs that will impress your friends.

The Hal Leonard Guitar Method Complete Edition or Alfred's Basic Guitar Method Complete Edition or the Mel Bay Guitar Method Expanded Edition or Wolf Marshall Guitar Method Books 1, 2 and 3 will all teach you traditional note reading methods as well as tablature but take a lot more effort and a lot more memorization but they will make you a much better guitar player over the course of your lifetime.

I personally love the Alfred's Basic series more than the Hal Leonard series. There is more words/explanation. Mel Bay's is also awesome. Hal Leonard is the most popular but doesn't always have enough explanation and leaves you hanging...
Anonymous No.127302140
>>127301938
So I'm no expert on guitar, but I think they're both going to sound similar, so sometimes they are gonna go with whatever is easier to pay.
Otherwise, they will make the choice based on the timbre of the strings.
Anonymous No.127302509
>>127299849
Anonymous No.127302770
I'd suggest reading this excellent web guide on learning music notation. It's a bit of a long read but worth it. Bookmark it and go through it in chunks and refer it to often until it sinks in.

https://guitargearfinder.com/guides/read-standard-notation/
Anonymous No.127302788
>>127298441 (OP)
>FAG
lol good one
Anonymous No.127303018 >>127303132
>>127301386
huh?
Anonymous No.127303132
>>127303018
>huh?
Read this, it will answer all your questions. Take it slow, come back to it. Bookmark it.
https://guitargearfinder.com/lessons/how-to-read-guitar-tab/
Anonymous No.127303150
>>127302014
>Alfred's Basic Guitar Method Complete Edition
Seconding this book.
Anonymous No.127303153
It's essential for my job so yes.
Anonymous No.127303257
>>127299448
every good boy does fine
good burritos don't fall apart
all cows eat grass
FACE
Anonymous No.127303889 >>127303893 >>127304992 >>127307497
>>127300003
How do you practice improvisation? How do you not stop and just start over when you fail to come up with something new in time?
Anonymous No.127303893
>>127303889
just like make it work
Anonymous No.127303968 >>127304246
sorry lilbros but if you don't know the objective emotional feeling of each chord progression then you are not a real musician
Anonymous No.127303974
>>127298441 (OP)
no im a ritardando
Anonymous No.127304246 >>127304323
>>127303968
Well, I do.
Anonymous No.127304323 >>127304354
>>127304246
>there are only 2 chord progressions bro!!! major and minor!!!
Anonymous No.127304354 >>127304406
>>127304323
Take your meds.
Anonymous No.127304406 >>127304839
>>127304354
I accept your concession.
Anonymous No.127304839 >>127304893
>>127304406
You're hearing and seeing things which aren't there.
Anonymous No.127304893 >>127305967
>>127304839
>STOP TALKING ABOUT CHORD PROGRESSIONS!!!!!
Anonymous No.127304992 >>127305965
>>127303889
How do you say something when speaking? How do you not stop and just start over when you fail to come up with something new in time?
Anonymous No.127305218
>>127298441 (OP)
i still cant read bass clef
Anonymous No.127305847
>>127298441 (OP)
Yes we learned at the church choir.
Anonymous No.127305965
>>127304992
If it was like a solo with a band I guess i'd do the same thing as in a conversation. But if I'm improvising like the whole thing by myself I'd get stuck, start over and it would stop feeling like improvisation (unless I was doing it in front of an audience).
Anonymous No.127305967 >>127306315 >>127306835
>>127304893
I love chord progressions!
Go on?
Anonymous No.127306315
>>127305967
well dude like, sometimes they like, sound like an alien bro and sometimes, they like, sound, like kind of, heroic dude, or like Hans Zimmer bro.. like sad, or like, makes you think, just sit there and think, and feel sad, and like time passing, and, melancholy, and stuff
Anonymous No.127306835 >>127306948
>>127305967
For me it's Pachelbel's Canon progression
Anonymous No.127306846
>>127298441 (OP)
yes
Anonymous No.127306948
>>127306835
kek this is like the ultimate reddit solution to avoid perfect fifths
Anonymous No.127307204 >>127307527
>>127298441 (OP)
Im learning and its already filtering me. Keeping track of all the barely differently spaced little black dots and remembering which notes then dictate is surprisingly difficult
Anonymous No.127307497 >>127308061
>>127303889
Improv isn't just spitting out random notes like throwing paint at a wall and seeing what sticks and in what pattern. Random rambling noise. It's about speaking music language in sentences telling a story. They have context and meaning is derived by how you form those "musical words & sentences" over backing chord sequences.

Listen to real pros like BB King (Blues) who uses very few notes out of a pentatonic scale but just makes those notes WORK and carry weight just by using articulations like vibrato, bends, sustain, slides, hammer-ons and pull-offs. Listening to something like this to start will get you thinking how does he do that? YouTube vids will show you how to start. He's a good place to begin your improv journey and then branch out into a music style that is more to your liking. You just have to start somewhere...I suggest learning BB King or blues like licks to start. It's not too deep end and drowning is unlikely. Pentatonic scales have just 5 notes (penta meaning 5). So anyone can learn 5 notes to start.

Start building a lick vocabulary of cool licks and grooves that sound nice to you over a certain key. Add a few notes here and there to change them up. Soon you can string two or three of those cool licks together and BOOM, you're improv'ing and improving.

Licks and grooves come from a certain scale played over a certain key and chord progression. This is music theory stuff but to start, just find some material that teaches licks over a certain key that you like. Start stringing them together. Get familiar with the sounds and when to end playing them, end on the key note of that progression. For example, if playing a chord progression in the key of C, try ending your improvisation sequence on a C note. It won't then sound odd or out of place (dissonant).

You can do a LOT with articulations like slides, bends, vibrato, hammer-ons and pull-offs. You're not just hammering out notes at mach speed. Make the notes you choose SAY SOMETHING.
Anonymous No.127307527 >>127307578
>>127307204
>Oh and I have found two other websites that can help you practice learning your notes in game style.
>https://www.guitarorb.com/reading-music
>and
>https://www.richmanmusicschool.com/products/name-that-note

I posted this above but it got lost in a longer message. Anyhow, for you since you're practicing...try those two free sites. I think you'd like the richmanmusicschool.com site game. Turn off the music too (icon bottom right corner). Don't worry about posted high scores. Most of them are hacks and completely BS. It's impossible to get a score of 7000 in a minute for example. Just try and better your own scores each time for a personal best. It becomes addictive. You'll improve very quickly.
Anonymous No.127307578
>>127307527
Here's a screenshot example of the free online game on richmanmusicschool.com. Bookmark it and use it daily for 5 mins. Passes the time and gets you improving quickly.
Anonymous No.127308061 >>127308757
>>127307497
>BB King Teaches Improv Using the Pentatonic Scale - 32 mins of wow!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhYXolbCrr0
Anonymous No.127308064
>>127298441 (OP)
duhh
Anonymous No.127308757
>>127308061
Here's his Master Class broken down into parts. Here is Part 1 in full. It's a long haul but this is the essence of improv. FEELING & EMOTION!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvFraycGx74
Part 2 in full.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thja3cvEJWY
Part 3 in full.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX2KjCwTXD4
Part 4 in full.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxluwXcugQU
Part 5 in full.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBT4LvZAzp4
Part 6 in full.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IBrKWE25GM