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Anonymous No.127299566 >>127299787 >>127299896 >>127299919 >>127300290 >>127300526 >>127300772 >>127301254 >>127301559 >>127301575 >>127302459 >>127302883 >>127303191 >>127303229 >>127303590 >>127303599 >>127306310 >>127306842 >>127308526 >>127308658 >>127308872 >>127309105 >>127309232 >>127309979 >>127311166 >>127311425 >>127311971
When exactly did rock become a genre for wimps, sissies, introverts and school shooters and stopped being a genre for sex-having masculine chads?
Anonymous No.127299623
when cock rock became low quality
Anonymous No.127299733
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeXwCVFptCs
Anonymous No.127299760
When women stopped listening to it the men that wanted to fuck women followed them to the genres they listen to now
Anonymous No.127299787 >>127301281
>>127299566 (OP)
There are no sex-having masculine chads in music at all anymore. It's just faggots and sluts.
Anonymous No.127299842 >>127301108
For various reasons, rock ceased to be music you could dance or party to. Especially in the US, where the big labels decided we all needed to hear garbage like Hootie, Matchbox 20, Counting Crows, etc.
Anonymous No.127299896 >>127311005
>>127299566 (OP)
When DLR left the band....
Anonymous No.127299919 >>127300327 >>127300463 >>127300703
>>127299566 (OP)
Radiohead pretty much.
Anonymous No.127299957 >>127300318 >>127300327
Emo fagged out rock forever and it can't be undone
Anonymous No.127300290
>>127299566 (OP)
I hope my mustache and mutton chops finally connect at some point
Anonymous No.127300318 >>127300463 >>127301116
>>127299957
It was indie that did that. When rock became afraid of having distorted riffs it died.
Anonymous No.127300327 >>127304840
>>127299919
>>127299957
yeah this, it's when bands like this started being called rock
Anonymous No.127300463 >>127300610 >>127300715 >>127300744 >>127301194 >>127303613 >>127311477
>>127299919
>>127300318
Much of rock's novelty when boomers were young was how heavy it was. When metal music became the default heavy genre, being far heavier than any rock group of the past, rock had to double down on its more melodious and introspective aspects to even have a niche. Personally, I think this is for the better, for the most part. If I want something profound, I have OK Computer, if I want something face-melting, I have Painkiller. I frankly see no use for inoffensive, middle of the road dadrock like Zeppelin or Motorhead, and I pretty much consider it a product of its time.
Anonymous No.127300526 >>127300582 >>127300689
>>127299566 (OP)
I like 3's and 7's by Queens Of The Stone Age more than any Motorhead song. Dadrock is for boomers. If you are younger than 50 and still clinging to that shit, you need to cultivate an actual identity already.
Anonymous No.127300582 >>127300978 >>127301196
>>127300526
>you need to cultivate an actual identity already
>QOTSA
And you must model your identity around that faggot band, you must make weed your personality just like your faggot idol Josh Homme and his gay bandmates do
Anonymous No.127300610 >>127300706 >>127301261
>>127300463
dadrock bands like Zeppelin have something over any modern metal band in existence, guitar riffs people can recall after the song is over
Anonymous No.127300613
With the indie/alternative movement.
Anonymous No.127300689 >>127301196
>>127300526
>If you are younger than 50 and still clinging to [band I don’t like], you need to [listen to band I like]
Anonymous No.127300703
>>127299919
or U2
Anonymous No.127300706 >>127300745 >>127309172
>>127300610
untrue, you're just one of the unlucky few who got filtered by metal
Anonymous No.127300715
>>127300463
3/10 ragebait
Anonymous No.127300744
>>127300463
Lmao
Anonymous No.127300745 >>127311477
>>127300706
nah, it's true and you're coping, metal is irrelevant for everyone except genre enthusiasts because the focus is on mindless heaviness and aggression without memorability
Anonymous No.127300772 >>127301241
>>127299566 (OP)
Hate to break it to you anon but bitches fuck to rnb not rock
Anonymous No.127300978 >>127301196
>>127300582
God damn dude heaven forbid someones favorite band isnt some obscure retard noise garage band. Nta either, i just cant understand how youd get so triggered over someone else having a favorite band.
Anonymous No.127301108 >>127301400 >>127301653
>>127299842
Wtf I love the big labels now.
But actually you are full of shit and they just moved on from degenerate rockstars to degenerate rapstars, popstars and house/techno/electronic concert pop slop instead.
And its not like the degenerate social concert aspects of Rock ever actually went extinct. Its even having a revival now. Especially now with Ozzy dying you are going to see an explosion of new big, dumb festivals. A lot of them arranged as virtue signalling charities as well of course.
These are all sick subcultures. And thats not me being some christian moralist dickhead about it. Because liberals are just a more honest form of christians actually. Christianity started as a deconstructionist, spiritually reductive and weird anti-family, nihilistic doomsday movement in Judea. They were basically the doomer subset of Jews at the time. Then it spread to the criminal and deviant lowlife of gentile Roman society first and foremost. Thats how it fucking started.
Christian Conservatism is an oxymoron.
Anonymous No.127301116
>>127300318
I'm blaming the first guitar player who got a lip ring, not sure exactly what subgenre the faggot played but it's definitely his fault
Anonymous No.127301194 >>127301261 >>127306858
>>127300463
Painkiller is dadrock made by boomers hitting their 40s. Its midlife crisis the album. So they just produced it in a way that would make it sound like a Metallica album audio-aurally or some shit.
Anonymous No.127301196 >>127301294
>>127300582
>>127300978
>your faggot idol Josh Homme
>favorite band

Goddamn, that's a lot of conjecture. I just said I liked the song. QOTSA is not even close to my favorite band. My message was more about embracing some newer stuff instead of clinging to boomer nostalgia, jeez.

>>127300689
Not what I said at all. I just don't care for "born in the wrong generation" types who wish they were part of the boomer generation.
Anonymous No.127301241
>>127300772
Only black people have sex to music wtf are you on about mate
Anonymous No.127301254
>>127299566 (OP)
Im going to guess it was around the time rock music died… which was around royal trux’s end
Anonymous No.127301260
The early 60s british wave of rock was the last time rock music was for sex havers. The EARLY 60s mind you, the beatles, kinks, rolling stones etc, not led zeppelin and black sabbath. Basically once the beatles ended rock became nerd music
Anonymous No.127301261 >>127301329 >>127303638
>>127300610
I never hear kids in guitar stores play Zeppelin riffs, but they're always playing Metallica riffs ad nauseam. Not even a Metallica fan or a metalhead in general, but if you don't think that a group of blues plagiarists from the 70s are more unique and memorable than the entire metal genre, I don't know what to tell you.

>>127301194
It's not even close to dadrock. It's textbook heavy metal, and this whole idea that you are not allowed to play rock or metal music past the age of 40 is one of the many reasons many don't take the genres seriously. What kind of genre is so fickle and superficial that it becomes cringe as soon as middle-aged people play it?
Anonymous No.127301281 >>127301390
>>127299787
is this 2021? wokeism is dead and buried.
Anonymous No.127301294 >>127301419
>>127301196
Why do you think that you should decide what is and isn't acceptable for young people to be listening to and not those young people themselves?
Anonymous No.127301329 >>127301419
>>127301261
Nta. but they specified modern metal, and Metallica is practically dadmetal at this point.
Anonymous No.127301390 >>127301604
>>127301281
lol
and even if that were true it's not like there are any convincing figures among the opposite end of 2020s losers either
Anonymous No.127301400
>>127301108
Okay but you haven't actually contradicted my post. Mainstream rock died while the labels were pushing miserable music.
Anonymous No.127301419
>>127301294
Decide? I am not deciding anything, I am merely judging.

>>127301329
Fair enough, but I still argue that the memorability of classic rock is vastly overstated, and survives mainly because of boomer nostalgia baked into the culture. This shit ain't Mozart.

Queen was pretty memorable though.
Anonymous No.127301424
itt: bots talking to other bots
Anonymous No.127301473
When Nirvana came on the scene
Anonymous No.127301559
>>127299566 (OP)
when larpers like lemmy, keef & alice cooper took over & rock as dress up make believe took hold.
Annoymous No.127301575
>>127299566 (OP)
Some time around the early to mid 90s.
Anonymous No.127301604
>>127301390
>and even if that were true it's not like there are any convincing figures among the opposite end of 2020s losers either
?
Anonymous No.127301653
>>127301108
meds
Anonymous No.127302459 >>127303184 >>127313759
>>127299566 (OP)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavistock_Institute

Always was...
Anonymous No.127302883
>>127299566 (OP)
"i'm scared"
Anonymous No.127303184 >>127304382 >>127309091 >>127310938
>>127302459
But it wasn't though. Rock used to feature tough masculine men
Anonymous No.127303191
>>127299566 (OP)
The 90s
Anonymous No.127303228 >>127304863 >>127306863
It was that whiny bitch Cobain that emasculated rock
Anonymous No.127303229
>>127299566 (OP)
Way after it died, which was i the nickelback downfall era
Anonymous No.127303590
>>127299566 (OP)
https://voca.ro/1mIZ5wIF7ccn
Anonymous No.127303599
>>127299566 (OP)
When the Beatles were considered the greatest artists of the 1960s rather than Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band.
Anonymous No.127303613 >>127306648
>>127300463
Being heavy is irrelevant if the songs aren't any good. You're acting like music should be entirely heavy or unheavy for some reason, a very strange position to have about art. There's an entire spectrum of tone colors you can use for any given purpose.

A tremendous amount of metal has an autistic fixation on being heavy and has largely forgotten how to write good songs. There's a billion metal bands churning out generic unmemorable heavy mush, it's stuck in an uncreative rut that did not exist in the glory days of metal when it was starting to be formed.

This is likely why Sabbath still managed to BTFO every other metal band even when they were all old men with Ozzy 2 weeks away from dying.
Anonymous No.127303638
>>127301261
Kids in guitar stores playing any riffs that aren't their own original compositions aren't going to become adult musicians.
Anonymous No.127304382 >>127306874
>>127303184
>Rock used to feature tough masculine men

That was just image posturing.
Truth is most everyone in the showbiz industry looked like a faggot when young, but used all sorts of tricks to make themselves look impressive.

Metallica were a bunch of nerds who started a band and crafted their niche that catered to rejected "bashed boy" types. Masculine guys listened to the most boring mainstream shit, not rock or metal. It's autists and socially awkward people who listened to rock after the 60s.

Because rock went through a crisis back in the 70s when disco conquered the charts and redefined what "popular" music was. Pop music became dance music predicated on beats and electronic instrumentation.

That's when rock lost prominence and that's also when the media started calling it rock. Until then they called rock popular music too.

So in the post-60s era, rock had to reinvent itself to survive. And it either went heavier (metal, hard rock, punk) or it went more pop (pop-rock, new wave) to stay relevant.

So neither were music for the "masculine dude". Rock became less mainstream in the 70s 80s. The few bands that broke the mold were those that found ways to write poppier tunes while still playing with rock instruments (Police, Fleetwood Mac).

Saying that a certain kind of rock brought the schoolshooter type as a rock fan is just plain dumb and doesn't nearly scratch the surface on this subject. Rock had to go more strident to survive the 70-80s, either way.

And then, since the 90s, it went the other way, towards minimalism and deeper emotional message.
Anonymous No.127304840 >>127304859
>>127300327
and REM
Anonymous No.127304859 >>127311136
>>127304840
I never thought of REM as rock
Always had them down as new wave/pop-rock
Anonymous No.127304863
>>127303228
Anonymous No.127304889
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-wHTQ9jLE
Anonymous No.127306310
>>127299566 (OP)
When you faggots made a literal fag who loves to bottom like Rob Halford your "rock icon" to follow.
Anonymous No.127306648
>>127303613
even Nickelback had songs
Anonymous No.127306838 >>127306855
Nirvana saved rock unironically
Anonymous No.127306842
>>127299566 (OP)
grunge
Anonymous No.127306855 >>127307886 >>127310122
>>127306838
this is the opposite of reality
Anonymous No.127306858
>>127301194
painkiller slaps and you're a fag
Anonymous No.127306863
>>127303228
exactly
Anonymous No.127306874 >>127311242
>>127304382
how is it possible to be this wrong?
Anonymous No.127307886 >>127308732
>>127306855
Shallow and gay hair metal and boomer rock would have killed rock in the 90s. Kids hated that shit.
Anonymous No.127308526 >>127309020
>>127299566 (OP)
>a genre for wimps, sissies, introverts and school shooters
It's not even that anymore. At this point rock is just a genre for hipsters. If you like any rock more obscure than RHCP you're just a LARPER romanticising the past. Myself included.
The music for pussies everybody else hates now is shit like Zilla, Lil Darkie and $uicide Boyz.
That type of extremely edgy but still social media marketable rap. If you go to a show for any of those types of faggots the crowds will all be dysgenic losers with maybe a few women who have the misfortune of being so unattractive that those are the only guys who even try to pull her.
Anonymous No.127308658
>>127299566 (OP)
When grunge happened
Anonymous No.127308732
>>127307886
>Kids hated that shit.
90s kids are fags
Anonymous No.127308872
>>127299566 (OP)
>rock
>masculine chads
When? The entire premise of rock were outcasts shunned by system. It was "emo phase" before emo phase was a thing. Even at its peak, it was mostly for younger folks still discovering themselves, or bunch of chicks that wanted to fuck [insert what band]. It was dominated by female audience in fact. There is a reason why so many of these old school rockers didn't care for their music as much as they cared how much pussy they would get. Rock was the ultimate gateway for a "loser" to feel like a chad by getting tons of bitches.
Masculine chad had some normalfag shit blow on his radio and not give a shit. If he listened to shit like Axl Rose it was because he himself was trying to score and chick that he was targeting was into Axl Rose.
Rock was never for "masculine chads." It was always just a gateway. Gateway for previously unpopular guy to get women by getting popular through music. Women who were unironically into it because they are schizo by nature (who rock always appealed to). If chad found himself there, it's always because he was after pussy himself.

In short: Rock was always for losers and women by large majority aka nothing changed. More men unironically started listening rock when nu-metal shit came to scene. There are more "masculine chads" who would come to Slipknot than Motley Crue that was dominated by bitches showing Tommy Lee their tits.
Anonymous No.127309020 >>127309074
>>127308526
>Reddit pasta
Anonymous No.127309074
>>127309020
Assmad wigger.
Anonymous No.127309091
>>127303184
You're gonna tell me Bon Jovi or Axl Rose's twink asses are supposed to be seen as masculine? Popularity-wise, rock peaked during the glam metal era and that period was gay as fuck
Anonymous No.127309105
>>127299566 (OP)
When Pet Sounds gained universal critical acclaim in the 90s
Anonymous No.127309131 >>127309195 >>127309221 >>127309718
I remember listening to the Ramones as a kid and never knowing how ugly the band members were. Joey Ramone literally looks like a truecel. How'd they get away with it? Interesting that I never find any mention of their ugliness on incel forums
Anonymous No.127309172
>>127300706
the only metal riffs I remember are from filosophem, jane doe and random metallica unironically
Anonymous No.127309177
>glam metal
>dudes look like trannies
>they have macho songs about fucking and girls are swooning over them
>grunge
>dudes look like manly lumberjack types
>they're all turbo betas who sing about heroin addiction and suicide
Anonymous No.127309195
>>127309131
Because it's about fame over looks. Look at current bands. Sleep Token is literally femcel core and lead singer of it is far from good looking guy. No hate to man, but he looks like human version of sloth.
Anonymous No.127309221
>>127309131
>Interesting that I never find any mention of their ugliness on incel forums
incels have no idea who they are. They like the same 3 songs, the same 5 movies, and the same 2 videogames.
I used to wonder why "A Boy & His Dog" never managed to get a reputation as an "incel movie" when it was basically a movie made for them but then I realized they're too small minded to dig beyond the same microcosm of garbage
Anonymous No.127309232
>>127299566 (OP)
>Lemmy pointing at talentless hacks
Anonymous No.127309718
>>127309131
Anon finally realizes the power and aphrodisiac properties of fame.
Anonymous No.127309979 >>127311143 >>127313800
>>127299566 (OP)
the turn of the century. that seems to be when different fanbases shifted. another example is current day wrestling fans.
>wimps, sissies, introverts, school shooters, stalkers and trannies
they embody this aesthetic. so many gay bands in the late 90s like weezer come to mind
Anonymous No.127310122
>>127306855
Not really. Enjoy Taylor Swift
Anonymous No.127310938
>>127303184
You fell for marketing. Do you also think the Michelin Man is real?
Anonymous No.127311005
>>127299896
underrated post
Anonymous No.127311136
>>127304859
>jangle pop
>college rock
>alternative rock
Anonymous No.127311143 >>127313091 >>127313800
>>127309979
Wrestling has always been popular with undesirables.
Anonymous No.127311166 >>127311250
>>127299566 (OP)
when women stopped seeing rockstars as hot
then they stopped going to places that played rock music, and Chads stopped following them there or playing rock to impress them
only boomers, nerds and geeks still listen to rock
Anonymous No.127311242 >>127313771
>>127306874
Literally 100% true THOUGH
Rock became nerd music in the early 70s
Anonymous No.127311250 >>127311303
>>127311166
>when women stopped seeing rockstars as hot
Yea, Sleep Token totally sells off of male audience indeed.
Anonymous No.127311303 >>127311334 >>127311376 >>127311396 >>127311494
>>127311250
who even gives a shit about that
rock music used to sell out stadiums and frontmen were seen as masculine, transgressive and/or virile
women liked watching Robert Plant with his tight pants or Chris Cornell beeing high and good looking, while the rest of the band played loud music
with indie rock, you have more of a moody teenage angst, and rap artists took over as the "masculine" ideal for musicians, which is why young men aspire to be like them nowadays
it's just the way it goes
Anonymous No.127311334 >>127311382
>>127311303
nobody thinks rap is "manly" especially not since Diddygate
Anonymous No.127311376 >>127311382
>>127311303
>and rap artists took over as the "masculine" ideal for musicians
Ghostmane is peak masculinity indeed. As well as any other nigger fag that wears unironic crop top and paints their nails.
Anonymous No.127311382 >>127311456
>>127311334
>>127311376
Holy seethe batman
Anonymous No.127311396 >>127311691
>>127311303
Most of nu-rappers dress like an absolute faggots. Let us not even go into whole Diddy fiasco. The so-called masculine rape (at least idea of it), died with Compton and the whole idea of gangster rap. Rap has been a fucking joke ever since.
Anonymous No.127311425 >>127311545
>>127299566 (OP)
Media has been working very hard to kill rock as a genre
Nickelback was the last rock band ---- and look what they were put through

that was NOT organic

there was never anything like that in the history of modern music: every comedian, every media outlet, every forum somehow constantly dumping on the only popular rock band left

and there have been zero rock bands since.

the only question is:
WHY did this happen?
Anonymous No.127311456 >>127311533 >>127311548
>>127311382
Seeth about what? Pic-related isn't "masculine." It looks like they suck dicks for living.
Anonymous No.127311477 >>127311645
>>127300463
4chan has a hard time not taking every word at face value.
>>127300745
>metal is irrelevant
What a braindead take. Its become more like jazz too me. The genre isn't huge, but the people who listen to it make it their main genre. Generally speaking
Anonymous No.127311494 >>127311533
>>127311303
>and frontmen were seen as masculine
Anonymous No.127311533 >>127311557 >>127311567 >>127311591
>>127311494
>>127311456
women still would rather fuck those dudes than any midwestern emo or indie musician
it's not about being good looking or well dressed
it's the status they uphold
Anonymous No.127311545
>>127311425
>there was never anything like that in the history of modern music
U2 were the butt of every joke for years when they were popular. I will grant that they deserved it a lot more than Nickelback though.
Anonymous No.127311548
>>127311456
those are trannies, bro
Anonymous No.127311557
>>127311533
Masculinity is not just about status though.
Anonymous No.127311567 >>127311606 >>127311659 >>127311795
>>127311533
>any midwestern emo
Funny. Scene bands fucked most bitches and they looked like THAT too. Or what? Do you think that FIR too sells off of males too? Ronnie Radke is an absolute cunt. The reason why he has done as well as he did is because there are too many women who are into the idea of psychopath that will ruin their life. The same goes for fucking Sleep Token, that are even worse. Not in terms of music (they are meh there), but their fanbase are literally teen JB fanbase tier of bad.
Anonymous No.127311591 >>127311946
>>127311533
According to this logic, all of K-Pop guys are PEAK MASCULINITY because guess who has the most parasocial cunts of all time? The only reason why they don't smash is due to industry, but doesn't change the fact that women get wet over them (men who barely look male), the most.
So, fag... if this is masculinity according to you, then grab your mother's makeup and start looking like gay street worker.
Anonymous No.127311606
>>127311567
>their fanbase
sure, but it's not a massive appeal the same way rock used to have
The Beatles had millions of fangirls who were in love with them, even though they weren't particularly good looking or dangerous
but they were transgressive for their time
rock became an old dead genre, the next big thing is elsewhere
the same thing will eventually happen with rap and hip-hop
girls 30 or 40 years from now will laugh at the idea of being around a rapper, saying it's for geeks or old people, and they'll wanna be with a guy who plays a new rythym yet to become mainstream called zalab or some shit
Anonymous No.127311645 >>127312013
>>127311477
>Its become more like jazz
so, irrelevant?
Anonymous No.127311659 >>127311713
>>127311567
Ronnie is "toxic masculinity" these days though kek
Not saying he is masculine, just that he long since stopped whole emo-scene shit and is now more selling himself off of acting in the same way average chud incel would, except he does get laid and gets money from thirsty bitches over his cock in the process I guess.

Not exactly huge on Sleep Token, but they got popular for the same reason this one e-celeb called Corpse Husband did. They have edgy aesthetic that appeals to edgy teen girls. It's like Slipknot, if Corey Taylor showed his abs to thirst teen girls over them while wearing a mask.
Anonymous No.127311691 >>127311744
>>127311396
>Ice Cube trying to cover up that he DJ-ed in a gay club in the late '80s
Anonymous No.127311713
>>127311659
Corpse's selling point was mostly his fucked up voice. Which he had due to illness, but women were into it.
However, yes. The "design" of lead singer of ST is meant to thirst trap 100%. Which is why I find it funny that he is crying over it. Of what kind of fans he attracted. Bro, you dressed yourself as some Tumblr's sexyman OC. Who the fuck did you think you would attract mostly?
Anonymous No.127311744
>>127311691
He never said they weren't gay. Just that they were trying to at least sell you the idea of being gangsters. Despite 99% of them just being studio rappers. 1% was Easy-E and we all know how he ended up.
>played like a fool by all of them who took the credit for everything after he funded all of their asses and them using him for their nonexistent "street cred"
>then died of AIDS like a dog
>let us not go into his wife after his death because oh boy
Anonymous No.127311795
>>127311567
>but their fanbase are literally teen JB fanbase tier of bad
Nothing tops K-Pop fags. Nothing! Teen JB fans back then... 1D bitches... All of them are functional compared to average K-Pop fag. Even Swifties are functional compared to them.
Anonymous No.127311946
>>127311591
K-Pop retards are fujoshitters who wish to see these bands fuck each other over them. They aren't attracted to these men themselves as much as they are attracted to the idea of seeing these dudes get it on between each other. Absolutely not comperable to rock/scene. While there were women there who might've giggled at the idea of two of their favourites kissing, they mostly want to fuck these men themselves.
Anonymous No.127311971 >>127312070
>>127299566 (OP)
>sex-having masculine chads
Op's pic very unrelated.
Anonymous No.127312013
>>127311645
Good point. Kind of shot myself in the foot
Anonymous No.127312070 >>127312174 >>127313513 >>127314387
>>127311971
Lemmy banged like 5000 girls in his lifetime
Anonymous No.127312174
>>127312070
That's enough of hell's whiskey, Lemmy.
Anonymous No.127313091 >>127313532
>>127311143
its been taken over by freaks though. you can watch videos from pre2000 and you never see trannies or weirdoes in the audience like now. look at how modern-day punk has changed now its all about inclusiveness.
Anonymous No.127313513
>>127312070
Bottles of whiskey aren't women
Anonymous No.127313532 >>127313684
>>127313091
Now that DEIslop is dead and trannies have been defunded...
Anonymous No.127313684
>>127313532
they love modern day wrestling
Anonymous No.127313759
>>127302459
this is delusional nonsense
Anonymous No.127313771
>>127311242
again, you could not possibly be more wrong
Anonymous No.127313800 >>127313967
>>127309979
it's a shame what happened to wrestling

>>127311143
revisionist nonsense
Anonymous No.127313967
>>127313800
>undesirable
Anonymous No.127314387
>>127312070
t. Lemmy from afterlife after getting drunk off his ass in Satan's bar