Thread 127300837

Beethoven Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF96pgmLVeQ&list=PLa4VssjO4cvcyOdLnDINhAn2oahsKanz4&index=10

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous:>>127272800

First for Mozart

https://youtu.be/lK43TZ80Iv8

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzpeM8f8rYU

If Bach were alive in the 1930s/40s, he would have been a card-carrying member of the NSDAP. Bach was an antisemite, like all Christians of the time. If you asked Bach who killed Christ, he would have told you it was the Jews.

Passin' thru.

>>127300894
SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP

>>127300965
Sorry, but it’s true.
Also:
>anime poster

>>127300929
:D

>>127300965
striking image

>>127300929
What a zesty mofo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wWISuVmgtE

"Nicola Vicentino, "L'antica musica ridotta alla prattica moderna", Rome 1555: "Musica prisca caput", madrigal fragment for 4 voices, played on a 24-tone harpsichord, tuned in meantone temperament. Originally written for a vocal ensemble and an Archicembalo or an Arciorgano with 31 keys per octave.
Played by Johannes Keller. Harpsichord by Tony Chinnery (after Grimaldi), keyboard by Markus Krebs. Recorded July 2013"

>>127300929
You can tell Mahler walked like that to provoke goys

Hewitt's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEnxGCBptq8&list=OLAK5uy_mV2fKy2RwJhFxR0AoPf50U7lmDs6T78ug&index=76

>>127300929
>On the prowl for boypussy

>>127300894
He was actually an atheist

>>127300929
>oh no, i bet alma is cucking me again...

>>127301171
And Wagner was jewish, right Moshe?

>gaming friend sends me link to a classical piece he got recommended on YouTube as an example of boring music
>it's from Richter's WTC
oh no :(

Best recording of Das wohltemperierte Klavier on Clavichord (as Bach intended it)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQIiLeR3j_A

>>127300837 (OP)
>classical
Music after the 17th century is not worth listening to, for the most part. Music affects the soul; Plato said that music is integral to a healthy society; a Chinese emperor said that he could tell the health of his provinces by the character of the music which was popular in each of them; Lenin said that he knew no quicker way of corrupting a people than bad music. So why poison your soul with the violent and distasteful music of the 18th century, the brooding and evil romanticism of the 19th century, or the schizophrenic and malignant "music" of the 20th century? The popular music of today is nothing but pornography mixed with cloying sentimentalism; cheapo McDonald's music for cheapo McDonald's souls.

I don't think you can listen to Mozart and not become a flamboyant socialite obsessed with "beauty" (vanity).
I don't think you can listen to Beethoven and not become a disturbed, brooding revolutionary intent on self-glorification and an arbitrary "justice".
I don't think you can listen to Chopin and not become a pretty little girl fond of nostalgic memories.
I don't think you can listen to Wagner and not become a raping and pillaging pagan.
I don't think you can listen to Mahler and not become a neurotic Jew.
I don't think you can listen to Stockhausen and not become Satan.

I can't stop listening to Glazunov's String Quartet No.3 movement III, it's something else...

I can't stop listening to Glazunov's String Quartet No.3 movement III, it's something else...

>>127301336
Which Chinese province listened to mumble rap?

>>127301389
Tchaikovsky's first string quartet is my Russian string quartet love.

>>127301336
There is nothing Jewish about Mahler’s music. He sounds like every other Romantic German.

Woodward's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwaFdmSGfUo&list=OLAK5uy_kBKoe2khqssaX6ZWY562JM1fU9wkJqGm4&index=1

>The London Guardian described him as a "pianistic genius"; Le Monde de la Musique, Paris, for his Debussy performances, as "magnificent"; and in Edinburgh, he was described as a "musician's musician". The Financial Times, London, called Woodward "one of the most consistently exciting and convincing interpreters of virtuosic avant-garde music."

>>127301418
Favorite recording? I've only listened to live performances years ago

>>127301450
Borodin Quartet

>>127301442
>The Guardian
No one cares what the UK’s Pravda has to say.

>>127301442
I don't know why but I really, really like this album cover.

can this /pol/tard fuck off already

>>127301313
>>127301442
enjoyed both of these, unfortunately the first channel only has a few uploads

>>127300837 (OP)
Did people have big cocks back then? Which composer had the biggest hog?

>>127301472
I understand your frustration, but before we proceed I need you to fill put the form.

>>127301613
Edward Dutton says cock sizes have been on average decreasing amongst white folks

>>127301625
holy fuckin' boomer you actually posted that pic on 4chan in 2025 LOL as to be expected by a /pol/tard

You deleted it because you knew it was true and you have no argument against it.
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqqAij9p0YU

>>127301647
Fill out the form loser

>>127301684
thanks wignat boomer

>>127301688
>23 seconds
Bro is lonely af or has no life

>>127301705
thanks wignat boomer

>>127301715
Lmao both times I wasn't even the one you were arguing with. Fragile ass.

>>127301724
thanks wignat boomer

They don’t call him TJ for nothing
Mozart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OWOqkUTjbE

does classical music simply attract crazy people or the mentally ill? because this general alone has:
>guy who posts the same anime girl every time he talks
>guy who posts smiley faces on 4chan (might be a literal boomer to be fair)
>guys who uses gen z speak like "Xcel" or "based" (most likely to be braindead)
>guy who spams female performers who is most likely still a literal virgin
>guys seriously wasting time discussing religious beliefs on 4chan
>forced meme spammers who post jokes only they laugh at
and this is STILL better than places like talkclassical or (God forbid) YouTube comments. seriously, does this type of music just attract the mentally unwell? am I going to melt my brain by listening to it?

>>127301793
Bait should be believable
Dogma should be defensible
Ritual should be repeatable
Liturgy should be legible
Belief should be beautiful
What fulfils these conditions in the decadent modern world in which "God is Dead"? Answer: the holy poetry of Richard Wagner and his "Sacred Festival Stage Play" which transforms and supersedes religion.
https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg?list=PL_Cf5Xxn5OZY1gE9zsWHAjXz6MVz9IZYS

>>127301809
you could've just said "yes"

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkZxxBJNkCk&list=OLAK5uy_nPWGRqFSPbeROg1QFljFG3Z50Cc2cQDmw&index=3

>>127301793
every one of those is me, fug

>>127301793
classical music = high IQ
4chan = neurodivergent individuals
high IQ + neurodivergent + niche subject = funny results, especially when you add in memes and culture which can develop in any kind of community

:^)

Glen Gould was supposed to be buried in a grave in Mount Pleasant Toronto but he was actually buried in an adagio in in Mount Pleasant Toronto

>>127301793
the main upside of 4chan is that someone will just call you a retard and move on. boomer forums are hives of welled-up passive aggressive seethery.

>>127301793
Is this all this general is? Just straight nonsense? When are we getting serious?

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOzWN-PYh9s

>>127301874
>funny

>>127301985
haha

>>127301984
People should try combining several of these hunks of fuck together and see what sound they make

now playing

start of Mendelssohn: Piano Concerto No. 1 in G Minor, Op. 33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Bf9tvIwyU&list=OLAK5uy_lBxGwlIstJvSYKcg-RjHH2kxbI3AG78Tg&index=2

start of Mendelssohn: Piano Concerto No. 2 in D Minor, Op. 40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_-20MWHWn4&list=OLAK5uy_lBxGwlIstJvSYKcg-RjHH2kxbI3AG78Tg&index=5

start of Mendelssohn: Lieder ohne Worte (selected)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZOPSJQmsR4&list=OLAK5uy_lBxGwlIstJvSYKcg-RjHH2kxbI3AG78Tg&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lBxGwlIstJvSYKcg-RjHH2kxbI3AG78Tg

having to use the fan again because of the heat and now i can hardly hear the music :(

>>127302145
I hear you my laptop speakers are hot dogshit and my headphones don't work.

>>127302299
I can't hear you because of the fan, but been there too. I ended up buying some ~$20 speakers recently and they've been nice, better than the desktop onboard/build-in I'd be using.

Strauss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkp_cZ-43w0&list=OLAK5uy_kbB784Urvlfb1Ec-uWhiVc2NbC72f5lu0

Is there a good list for pre-Bach choral works and composers? I have such difficulty remembering their names. You got Monteverdi's Vespers, uh, Sweelinck, uh, Palestrina, and, uh... fuck, I forget.

>>127302437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThCPkFEP6dY&list=PL_LSLKvZ1zoE3P1HM8jCh6_8QYtL2CIYn&index=1
old naxos come in handy

>>127302331
Yeah but I have this motto "If it's fucked but still sort of works leave it" it's a shit motto to live by but it still sort of works

>>127302641
Hey, if anyone gets that it's me, but then I started doing the math on how much of my time I spend listening to music, and figured $27 to permanently enhance that experience was too cheap not to treat myself to. Again tho, I fully understand, you should see the keyboard I'm using rn!

I like bach

everyone plays the adagio of Bruckner's 8 too slowly ffs

>>127302814
Maybe that says something about your preferences!

Shostakovich's 8th Symphony is the best symphony for going to sleep, in that it sounds great and is musically interesting enough to keep your attention, while also being thematically and atmospherically sedate and mellow, so if you start listening when you're tired and focus on the music with your eyes closed, I promise you'll be out before the end of the symphony while enjoying the piece. Works for me, anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W-RhE4HFLU&list=OLAK5uy_no0P7_hLarp8ucwuJfdERI9rfZu1JqxCU&index=1

The 11th and 12th Symphonies are similar but, depending on mood, those can be too soporific and therefore unable to hold your attention, so you end up wanting to change to something else or check your phone and you stay awake instead, defeating the purpose.

>>127303024
what
https://youtu.be/_miQM0sGfKY?list=OLAK5uy_lF_9WaP6WtntBhQFqv7HpEtS8yi7734UA&t=669
that's not sleepy at all

Big Boulez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJG38iQ9d7I

>>127303145
Given Hurwitz considers Schoenberg to be a genius, why doesn’t he like Boulez?

>>127303246
He thinks Boulez was singing:
>To do Jewish music so selfishly
>And use it to get myself wealthy (Hey)

>>127303246
Pretty big leap between serialism and total serialism
Also unlike Schoenberg, Boulez actively bullied the shit out of tonal composers and basically got them kicked out of academia entirely. At least in France.

>>127298472
>Historical
Mengelberg
Beinum (mediocre soprano)
Rosbaud
>Stereo
Kubelik (mediocre soprano)
I. Fischer
Chailly (either, but Gewandhaus variant is better)

All the stereo ones I recommend have the proper orchestral layout so you can hear Mahler's antiphonal effects the way he intended them to be heard.

Not classical music but I have a piano question. What is the technique or term for how the piano is played in this song at the 1:18 mark? Is it an arpeggio?

https://youtu.be/Kmg3s1PW3xE?si=8-LhwM2aFHJCuBn6

>>127303121
Suit yourself. A shot of Dayquil + a benadryl + listening to that with my eyes closed = I was out

I’m going into battle
I need only your finest Scriabin no 10s

bland pre-African meanderings

>>127304353
Ignore everyone else, the answer is always Lettberg.

Mozart
Schoenberg
Bach

>>127300837 (OP)
Mozart was the true innovator, CRAPhoven didn't do anything notable except make slightly longer development sections

>>127303321
> basically got them kicked out of academia entirely
Something tells me that Hurwitz is generally not opposed to such behavior.

Is there a finer more gorgeous violent movement in music then this my sisters?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p5favl2Qtx0&pp=ygUYYmVldGhvdmVuIDkgMm5kIG1vdmVtZW50

>>127304465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jnlzcZdhkE

Was there ever any evidence of repeats being omitted in Mozart's time?

>>127304465
Händel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29OJhfGj9NE

>>127304426
Haydn was the true innovator, moSHART didn't do anything notable except steal sonata-allegro and add pretty girl melodies

>>127304816
Real-HIP version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gxz9IwY3Ho

Händel was German.
Why couldn’t the English produce any great composers after Purcell? (Purcell’s greatness is debatable).

If feeling sad is uncomfortable, why do we like listening to sad music?

>Sadness, by definition, isn’t a positive emotion — and by extension, not a desired state of being.

>Which makes the genre of sad, somber music curious. The vulnerability it often represents affects different people in different ways — while some may enjoy the despair in tone and lyrics, others would rather press pause or skip sad songs altogether. The contradictory perception has something to do with memory association, biological response, and our emotional eloquence.

>...

>Sad music also triggers the release of a hormone called prolactin, which can help reduce feelings of grief. Since the feeling of sadness, which led the brain to release the hormone, was second-hand — there’s no actual grief the person experienced that needs consoling, so the hormone just leaves them feeling happy. “Sad music tricks the brain into engaging a normal, compensatory response by releasing prolactin. In the absence of a traumatic event, the body is left with a pleasurable mix of opiates with nowhere else to go,” Heshmat added.

>Moreover, people who experience a greater degree of empathy are also believed to like sad music more — often because they appreciate its emotional nuances and find it aesthetically beautiful. But the contradiction is also evident: since empathetic people experience emotions more deeply, how do they manage to derive pleasure from sad music without falling prey to its negative emotions?

>“…sadness elicited by music arises through emotional contagion, and that the pleasure elicited by music occurs in response to our perception of the beauty of the music. As these two mechanisms occur concurrently, it is possible to experience pleasurable sadness when we listen to sad music,” a 2014 study on the “paradox of pleasurable sadness” states.

(1/2)

>>127305309
>One’s music choice often reflects one’s state of mind too. But if one is sad, wouldn’t listening to somber tones make them sadder?Perhaps, but it’s also comforting. “Sad music can be experienced as an imaginary friend who provides support and empathy after the experience of a social loss. The listener enjoys the mere presence of a virtual person, represented by the music, who is in the same mood and can help cope with sad feelings,” Heshmat explains.

>However, a study published last year found that people living with feelings of “persistent sadness” as a result of clinical depression may also prefer sad music — but not because of the emotion conveyed by the music. Instead, their preference was guided by the fact that sad music also tends to carry a low, toned-down level of energy, making them feel more relaxed.

Discuss.

(2/2)

>>127304353
You didn't like the Maltempo one?

>>127305309
(Replying to myself)
>Moreover, people who experience a greater degree of empathy are also believed to like sad music more
Why doesn't this surprise me at all?
People who generally prefer sad music tend to be more civil, maybe more rational.
>empathetic people experience emotions more deeply
And if this is true, we also enjoy music on the deeper level. e.g. A Chopin connoisseur can probably connect to the music on the deeper level. Interesting.

Mahler 3 morning
https://litter.catbox.moe/zh0u4mzf4rk8mo86.flac

It's funny, a couple months ago I was practically a stranger to Beethoven's early piano sonatas (pre-Pathetique) because I always figured they were unremarkable juvenilia from when a composer has yet to find their voice and really breakthrough as a creative talent, like Mozart's early piano sonatas or Beethvoen's first two symphonies.

The last couple months changed that. I felt the desire to try a wide array of performance cycles and my steadfast habit of starting most sets of this nature from the very beginning meant I became, over time, very, very familiar with Beethoven's early piano sonatas, and let me say I've, as many no doubt expect, come away with a new and deep appreciation for them, these wonderful Haydnesque piano sonatas. I don't know if I'd go as far to claim Beethoven has 32 masterpiece piano sonatas, but it's a lot higher than I used to think, and what I would claim without hesitation is Beethoven wrote 32 worthwhile piano sonatas.

All of this is to say if any others are in a similar boat to my earlier position, give them another chance, you might find yourself coming to love them as I now do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6GILsxcoQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1g4tFxdsi8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3asWeutbY0c

What is some Anthony Fantano approved classical music?

>>127306084
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpMdr9nBJc0

>>127306084
Yo Yo Ma & JS Bach
Unaccompanied Cello Suites
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=eKbrty2x8rM

now playing

start of Liszt: Années de pèlerinage, 1ère année "Suisse", S. 160
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQnVfKIn73Q&list=OLAK5uy_k6cbAENcI5M2KWFVaBWBMt6STtvB1Cy9Q&index=2

Liszt: Piano Sonata in B Minor, S. 178: Piano Sonata in B Minor, S. 178/R. 21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2k4Tig4XCE&list=OLAK5uy_k6cbAENcI5M2KWFVaBWBMt6STtvB1Cy9Q&index=10

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k6cbAENcI5M2KWFVaBWBMt6STtvB1Cy9Q

>Charm and local color seldom turn up in Michael Korstick’s Liszt playing, yet his commanding technique, huge (indeed, sometimes overpowering) dynamic range, and kinetic sweep add up to riveting, large-scale interpretations that fuse Alfred Brendel’s probity and Lazar Berman’s physicality. ---- Jed Distler, 9/10

>>127306084
literally who?

>>127305939
> I was a stranger to Beethoven's early piano sonatas
You should have started with Goode; he goes through them all.
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=OUiPi-xWwuI

>>127306210
Reddit sòy music reviewer

>>127306223
Wonderful cycle if you're into Goode's approach, but it's too plain for me. I prefer more flair, a tragic shade, and gravitas. Goode's great if you want clarity and transparency, allowing total appreciation of the formal aspects like the counterpoint, development, variations, etc. I'm more about emotion and spirit.

>he goes through them all.
Oh, my issue was I often started cycles with No. 17, "The Tempest" and listened on from there, not that the recordings I was playing didn't contain the earlier sonatas.

best recording of Schubert's Winterreise?

>>127306277
Do you start reading a book with Chapter 17?

>>127306287
kek

It's not like they're all part of one larger, all-encompassing sonata! That'd be dope tho

saddest pieces? posting Chopin is cheating

>>127306282
Jonas Kaufmann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14vREp92Jjg&list=OLAK5uy_nKsyOm_RMGH1LOwZlJaeWAzInIrPZY1i0&index=1

and getting a little unorthodox, here's a female singer Rachel Fenlon -- she's also playing the piano!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhmMqYLc-hM&list=OLAK5uy_mLCG2PbhBvsenRTuidwRXDTCbbspw19zY&index=1

>>127306299
Do you think Beethoven arranged them arbitrarily?

>>127306334
NTA, Beethoven didn't arrange them at all.

>>127305939
thank you so much for unearthing these obscure early works by beethoven! you're like a great explorer. the world of classical music would be much poorer without your amazing fieldwork.

>>127306334
Well, he didn't "arrange" them at all... that's just the order of when he composed them over the course of his life. To use your analogy, each individual piano sonata is its own distinct book. We're not talking about Bach's WTC or Liszt's Annees de pelerinage or Chopin's Preludes and Nocturnes, all works with an intentional arrangement where I do in fact listen from the start and in order.

note: Actually I wonder if Chopin's Nocturnes do have an intentional order, I could be wrong on that one, but that's how I listen to it, though I've seen some recordings with a different arrangement.

>>127306365
you're welcome! and thanks

>>127306366
chopin's nocturnes were composed over a period of twenty years

>>127306223
>You should have started with Goode; he goes through them all

who'd have thunk? do any other recordings exist of these early sonatas?

>>127306366
> order he composed them over the course of his life
That was the joke, Einstein

>>127306382
Exactly. And they are distinguished by distinct opus numbers and groupings. So yeah, those ones I guess can be done in whatever order the performer (or listener) sees fit, with of course by ascending number being the most common.

>>127306398
Don't be rude, they were just trying to help and they made a recommendation while posting music, something which should always be encouraged, welcomed, and thanked.

>>127306399
Thought we were having an actual discussion. Alright then.

>>127306366
Chopin's Nocturnes are not generally arranged, but some opuses have more than one Nocturne, and they are usually similar in style compared to other opuses, so you could say there are small arrangements within the entire set of the Nocturnes.

>>127306414
We were having a discussion. You seem to have trouble understanding the English language (In particular Polysemy). Are you the Indian anon?

>>127303631
P-pls respond

>>127306366
>the order of when he composed them

except opus 49, which two sonatas date from the 18th century

>>127303631
>>127306454
I don't play piano but isn't that legato? idk, hopefully one of the pianist anons here helps you out

>>127306454
No one here wants to suffer through shit music. It is a run, not an arpeggio. Similar runs are in Rachmaninoff concerto, at the very beginning after introduction, if's full of runs and pretty melodies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xQodIz01s&list=OLAK5uy_lgVzHhxfdv3NXjHGu_2cb1jEuh7RdahIQ&index=33

did you guys know that before beethoven wrote opus 47, he wrote no less than 46 other opuses? and that some of those opuses contain multiple pieces? and that not all of those 46 opuses completely suck? historically, beethoven is one of the composers of all time, so some of these works may be worth hearing. but don't take it from me!

>>127306282
Hüsch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_ixD680SJ8&list=OLAK5uy_nKzQy1EA5iyBer9-FCl5QBsZ-qPjTFHo8&index=27
>>127306328
>Kaufmann
oh no no

>>127306613
What?

>>127306518
Th-thanks, anon.

https://youtu.be/BsVCdW8QeEE
Pogorelichbros...

>>127306713
That dude is a retard.

>>127306713
HoffmannScores is a retard.

>>127306760
Have any actual arguments?

remember, if you go out, don't forget your Chopin Liszt, HA HA, GET IT?

because The joke "Chopin Liszt" is a clever play on words that hinges on the dual meanings of the names of two renowned composers, Frédéric Chopin and Franz Liszt, both of whom were prominent figures in the Romantic era of classical music. To fully appreciate the humor embedded in this phrase, one must first consider the context in which it is presented, as well as the phonetic and cultural nuances that contribute to its comedic effect.

At its core, the joke operates on a pun, which is a form of wordplay that exploits multiple meanings of a term or similar-sounding words for humorous effect. In this case, the names "Chopin" and "Liszt" are not merely identifiers of two distinct individuals; they also serve as a phonetic foundation for a humorous interpretation. When spoken aloud, the phrase "Chopin Liszt" can be heard as "Shopping list," which evokes a completely different imagery and meaning unrelated to music.

I just discovered Enrique Granados, why didn't I know about him sooner?

>>127306769
Every difference he points out is either blown out of proportion or borderline inaudible or madeup. And he likes to cherrypick recordings.

>>127307008
>borderline inaudible
Maybe your ears are just bad?

>>127307036
idk, I'm not the one listening to hiss trash

>>127302878
yes, specifically that I like music to sound like it's in motion and not stagnant

>>127302814
>>127307260
Here's a cheat code: listen to Celibidache's Bruckner once or twice and no other recording will sound too slow ever again:

Sony Adagio - 31:26 (!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8txbks_ifns&list=OLAK5uy_kGtahB1qPpFaptdTEKzEh9PoM24BsJC3o&index=3

EMI Adagio - 35:08 (!!!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdmUOJI4IMk&list=OLAK5uy_kYXvpe5lfH5_dxTFp21CzOsy0AXSpn3zQ&index=3

now playing

start of Schumann: Piano Trio No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 63
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JKHgHfYq-M&list=OLAK5uy_kzpQ4n6k82q33iRZCk18BjE6wtsQNk1Vk&index=2

start of Schumann: Piano Trio No. 2 in F Major, Op. 80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c63PHFfk_SY&list=OLAK5uy_kzpQ4n6k82q33iRZCk18BjE6wtsQNk1Vk&index=6

start of Schumann: Piano Trio No. 3 in G Minor, Op. 110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBJQ5fK3P8I&list=OLAK5uy_kzpQ4n6k82q33iRZCk18BjE6wtsQNk1Vk&index=10

start of Schumann: Phantasiestücke in A Minor for Piano Trio, Op. 88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxbdFaXNULA&list=OLAK5uy_kzpQ4n6k82q33iRZCk18BjE6wtsQNk1Vk&index=13

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kzpQ4n6k82q33iRZCk18BjE6wtsQNk1Vk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9WBXrgZYIA
Bravo Mozart

>>127307589
That's not how that works, anon

>>127307778
It can, by shifting one's frame of reference and relative perception.

>>127307589
I would rather kill myself than listen to Slopidache

>>127307839
One day it'll blow your mind and raise your spirit to divinity.

oh shit, they finally added Haitink's Vaughan Williams cycle to YouTube Music so I can delete the offline copies I have. Good reason as any to take another listen through his set, let's go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Or85gW00cg&list=OLAK5uy_lgfYXDgbuhCD0GUO9xC8XaxSeP9u79sZs&index=16

>>127307891
if by that you mean that it will cause me to blow my brains out with a shotgun then maybe

>>127307974
True, a genuine glimpse at transcendence can be too much for some people

Why is Haydn's clock piece no longer memed? It used to be a funny ritualpost

favorite Chopin symphony?

>>127308059
Anon... I...

>>127308059
No. 26 "Nieistniejący"

https://youtu.be/Hd0bfJ3Oay4&t=1543

someone really should put together a "Dave sings" montage

>>127308138
someone should put a bullet and Dave's brain together

didn't know Barenboim had four(4[!]) Beethoven piano sonata cycles. Gonna try this one out, as I saw someone rank it as his best

>This collection was recorded live across eight concerts at the Staatsoper unter den Linden, Berlin in June and July 2005.

>Barenboim says of the Beethoven piano sonatas: This music encompasses everything that a great human being is capable of in thought, in feeling, in intuition, in temperament, in character. All the different attributes of the human condition are contained in this music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygrhSSAUClI&list=OLAK5uy_mkFeou6ujBvONbc826eosq4izXqAG1L1k&index=71

Jochum!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX1tsFhiH3Q&list=OLAK5uy_l439l6danM0LzDxHcS4sieHlwOlH1KbVo&index=13

why do retards still play editions of Bruckner's 8th other than Haas?

>>127308497
>Levine is dead now and so many artists were awful people and we don't care so I don't see why we should care about Levine
agree
>The truth of the matter is Levine was neither better nor worse than anybody else in the biz
dude
he raped people
come on

>>127308516
source?

now playing

start of Elgar: String Quartet in E Minor, Op. 83
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g7CLJ-Ktz4&list=OLAK5uy_mUmf2-APlk99T5Afzkpg8e3MgQyRBNmsk&index=1

start of Elgar: Piano Quintet in A Minor, Op. 84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVT-WGUukp8&list=OLAK5uy_mUmf2-APlk99T5Afzkpg8e3MgQyRBNmsk&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mUmf2-APlk99T5Afzkpg8e3MgQyRBNmsk

Quite possibly the best recordings of these stellar chamber works. A great listen on this grey, rainy day.

>>127308042
>For example, the Eighth Symphony existed in three versions: Bruckner's original manuscript of 1887, a revised manuscript of 1890 which incorporated suggestions from Franz Schalk, Arthur Nikisch and others, and the first published edition of 1892 which went even further in the direction of the changes, including significant cuts, suggested by Bruckner's friends.

>Haas decided to make a composite edition based on the 1890 manuscript but adding in some passages from the 1887 version he (justifiably, in the view of many Brucknerians, including conductors Rudolf Kempe and Georg Tintner) thought it a shame to lose: he also rewrote a brief passage himself. Haas thus produced a text of the symphony, however laudable on its own merits, that didn't happen to correspond to anything ever written or approved by Bruckner. Similar reworking occurs in Haas's edition of the Second Symphony.

>Some scholars have suggested that Haas was motivated to make these changes in order to assert copyright over his work.

somedays Debussy's and Ravel's solo piano music hit the spot in a way no other composer can, and somedays they just sound so discordant and unpleasant, almost to the point of annoyance

>>127309079
Same, but they rarely hit the spot for me. Especially Debussy, sometimes he sounds as ugly and unpleasant as Schoenberg.
Interestingly, rarely happens with Scriabin and Prokofiev.

jeez, now this is an eclectic pianist discography

and it doesn't even have the recording I was looing for! (a Satie: Complete Piano Music set)

>>127302558
Good thinking, thanks.

>>127309362
>Nietzsche: Complete Piano Music

>>127309617
only for the most eccentric pianists

>[musician] employs minimal vibrato...
*delete*

>>127309617
A professor of philosophy I had in college, who was a very endearing man who loved music and would always play music for us during tests, once played a cd of Nietzsche's music, as a curiosity, really. Naturally, it was not good, probably some of the worst classical music I have ever heard.

In 1871, the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche sent a birthday gift to Richard Wagner's wife, Cosima: a composition for piano, four hands. The music quoted the "Siegfried Idyll" and bore the rather Wagnerian title "Echoes of New Year's Eve, With Processional Song, Peasant Dance and the Pealing of Bells." When Cosima played the work with the conductor Hans Richter, Wagner fidgeted through the performance. Before it ended, he left the room. A guest found "the Master" lying on the floor, overcome with laughter.

That reaction was mild compared with the way the conductor Hans von Bulow -- whom Cosima had left to marry Wagner -- judged a composition that Nietzsche sent him the following year. Bulow told Nietzsche the work was a joke, even a crime: "It is more terrible than you think."

now playing

start of Bax: Symphony No. 5 in C-Sharp Minor, GP 313
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoWnsYJiaQo&list=OLAK5uy_mTBkYklcLZnJefzcYeArK7O9vh7Z1ZPwM&index=2

start of Bax: Russian Suite, GP 215
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N-IUh1kJRY&list=OLAK5uy_mTBkYklcLZnJefzcYeArK7O9vh7Z1ZPwM&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mTBkYklcLZnJefzcYeArK7O9vh7Z1ZPwM

>Sir Arnold Bax's later symphonies were written during the 1930s (the Fifth premiered in 1932), and they are characterized by his penchant for keeping the music at once dramatically intense and deeply personal. Bax was, for a very brief time, the most popular British symphonist alive. He had five symphonies to Vaughan Williams's and Elgar's two. But by 1935, all that changed. Still, Bax's Fifth seems to harken back to a lost era, rather than look to the future. Moody and uncompromising, it has all his trademark shifts of color and outlook. Chandos's entire run of Bax symphonies is exceptional. --Paul Cook

>>127307957
why would you even care to listen to the worst of the major Vaughan Williams cycles more than the one time it takes to identify that

>>127309915
I didn't know nietzsche composed but I imagine that it has a very reddit flavor as well
But I could not focus for shit on a test if music was played, especially not active listening music

>>127310129
because the Previn, Mark Elder, Slatkin, and Hickox/Davis cycles haven't been doing it for me lately. I was gonna listen to the Thomson one before I saw the Haitink one had been added finally.

anyway I enjoyed the London Symphony I posted, looking forward to the rest. I know people have strong, contrasting opinions on RVW cycles; those who like one hate the others.

>>127310129
>>127310169
Plus I can tell I'm in the mood for performances of the symphonies with a bit more heft, which is Haitink to a T

>be me
>"hmm, I think today I'll listen to Messiaen's Vingt Regards sur L'Enfant-Jésus"
>clueless
>10 minutes in
>mfw

>>127301929
Classical is simply a case of fandom without new material. See, when a fandom (over anything - books, tv series, music - does not matter) pumps put new content it's communities are visited by all kinds of people - from casuals to hardcore fans and it essentially becomes a micro-representation of society, or at least some large social group (target audience). However when new content stops, casual fans disappear - they don't have a new content to discuss so they move on. Over time an average fan still participating in a discussion becomes more and more hardcore. It is inevitable and also natural.

At the same time, community starts creating memes. By memes I don't mean funny pictures, but rather a very condensed way of passing information. Someone here can say "Wagner" and it immediately brings forth many associated meanings. Memes also serve as a way to distinguish in-group from out-group - also a very old tradition.

As classical music is not an active fandom - while new works are being pumped out, most discussion is focusing on already existing material, a community will always be like this. I think all classical art communities I've ever been a part of: opera, music, ballet, theater share the traits you described and most are even worse than here.

Since imageboards enforce anonymity (or rather lack a way to establish a social real or pseudonymous identity), worse actors do pass this community by, but on the other hand you get a low level of moderation which has it's own ups and downs.

I'd leave here but unfortunately most of my friends IRL think classical music concerts are an enforced adult naptime or torture. Some think it's both.

Wagner.

>>127306287
Maybe Naked Lunch

>>127301793
every single one of those things can apply to any random thread on /x/

anything else like Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade?

>>127311156
yes but that board is full of literal schizophrenics

>>127311215
being schizophrenic is pretty cool

>>127311156
Yeah but there's new ghosts coming out whereas there's no new classical(there actually is a quite a lot but /classical/ just ignores it)

>>127310707
>I'd leave here but unfortunately most of my friends IRL think classical music concerts are an enforced adult naptime or torture. Some think it's both.
you should kill your friends and get new friends.

>>127311255
yeah check out my next symphony, coming out October 8th.

>>127311263
Jail friends?

>>127311180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gak536cq5YM

>>127307589
>>127307839
Let him Cookner

>>127311236
only if you don't remember what not being schizophrenic is like

>>127298472
Kletzki has the best soprano by such a wide margin it isn't even fair to the other women

>>127311517
It's good, but I would personally give that award to Abravanel and Davrath.
https://youtu.be/QYPQQPZvutM

>>127311569
damn that's pretty good indeed. I still prefer Kletzki's girl (Emmy Loose?) but they have surprisingly similar voices

>>127311601
Yeah it's close. Probably 3rd runner for me would be Mengelberg's soprano, whose voice is maybe just a tad dark but she has unbelievably natural vibrato and diction.

Most disappointing would be Schwarzkopf with Klemperer. She's technically sound and there are far worse sopranos than her, but she has just about the worst voice possible for the role lol

>>127308497
>>127308516
> Allegations of sexual assault by Levine came to a head at the end of 2017, when it was widely reported that four men had accused Levine of molesting them (starting when they were 16, 17, 17, and 20 years old, respectively) from the 1960s to the 1990s.
How do you get molested as an adult male? Just punch him in the face and walk away.

>>127312477
those aren't adults

>>127312477
He was probably blackmailing them by threatening to ruin their careers.

>>127301336
Based and platopilled

Bach/Debussy, Chads where you at?

>>127312508
Physically they are. If you couldn’t knock out a fat middle age Jew at 16 then you are a woman.

>>127312513
So what? It’s not worth the squeeze. Just punch him in the head and walk away. KEKADOO

>>127312508
Actually they are. You have simply been infantilized by the education system. Go back to ‘it.

>>127312595
Um, that would be antisemitic.

meant
>>127312623
for
>>127312530

>>127306654
Damn, that is top shelf

>>127312530
>>127312595
you need to leave 4chan as soon as possible

>>127312477
> Levine was born in Cincinnati, Ohio, to a musical Jewish family. His maternal grandfather was a composer and a cantor in a synagogue; his father, Lawrence, was a violinist who led dance bands under the name "Larry Lee" before entering his father's clothing business; and his mother, Helen Goldstein, was briefly an actress on Broadway, performing as "Helen Golden".

>>127312477
Clearly they were willing poofs who thought they could get 1st clarinet by sucking his cock, then they realised they could make bank on this years later

>>127312695
>Um the brain only finishes ‘developing’ at 18+7

>>127301336
>>127312516
This rules out all the music of Bach too since he didn't write anything in the 17th century

>>127312741
you talk like Beavis or Butthead

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p01w8MpOkxM

>>127312925
>Yuja Wang

Tchaikovsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDado9wtXk&list=OLAK5uy_kKc8R8ufirS50RMLOEizZhvCv-JUcvrNc

>>127311180
I have a rule: if someone doesn't like Scheherazade, they aren't human. It's that universal of a musical masterpiece imo

>>127312477
Ah, that's why sisterposter always made those jokes. I played along but I honestly never knew what they were referencing.

>My favorite composer? Britten. Favorite conductors? Levine, Nézet-Séguin, and Zander.
>Why yes I am gay, how did you know?

For me it's Lenny Bernstein and Michael Tilson Thomas.

now playing

start of Schubert: String Quintet in C Major, D. 956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb6RagzBZjk&list=OLAK5uy_kTNOotlQHG-W22_hf2Oj4w-ZxgtF0m1XQ&index=2

Schubert: String Quartet No. 12 in C Minor, D. 703 "Quartettsatz"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SahRJX2RdhQ&list=OLAK5uy_kTNOotlQHG-W22_hf2Oj4w-ZxgtF0m1XQ&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kTNOotlQHG-W22_hf2Oj4w-ZxgtF0m1XQ

>The matchless Takacs Quartet return to Schubert. Their first disc on Hyperion - his Death and the Maiden and Rosamunde quartets - received unprecedentedly lavish critical acclaim, acknowledging a new modern benchmark for these works. Now they turn to perhaps the most hauntingly beautiful of all Schubert's chamber works, the String Quintet - completed six weeks before the composer's death. Schubert included a second cello in the texture, creating a sumptuously warm sound, a cradling intimacy. Here the Takacs players are joined by cellist Ralph Kirshbaum. Also recorded here is the Quartettsatz: A fragment - of the highest quality - of a quartet in C minor abandoned by the composer.

i cried listening to Confutatis Maledictis again this year.
am i really just a filthy casual or what?

>>127313837
Having a strong reaction to music and art in general is never casual

Tchaikovsky's two piano sonatas and his The Seasons cycle should be bigger deals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU7cE6qDGxE

That's fire.

>>127313837
one of the best choral movements Mozart ever (partially) wrote which is saying a lot

>>127312883
Yes, but Bach's music is rooted in the 17th century so he is therefore based and platopilled

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkcn75jXtAI

Rameau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KBGMnuFo_E

Barry Lyndon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-3fwAW_v5s

>>127314150
> Stonmann 8 months ago
>The clavichord is (imo) the most difficult keyboard instrument. I've played piano, fortepiano and virginal, but NONE are nearly as challenging and nuanced as the clavichord. Amazing job!

b-but it's a solo piano album!! wtf

Late Beethoven string quartets and after.
Parsifal and before.

Nothing else is worth hearing.

Pachelbel and after. Reger and before.

>>127300837 (OP)
There is nothing greater than Wagnerian Opera. Period

>>127300837 (OP)
What instruments do you all play!

Machaut to Ligeti and everything in between.

>>127315853
Prehistoric flute

>>127315853
the baton

>>127315799
>skipping Renaissance

mozart clarinet quinetet with strings accompany, the stadler quintent, performed by munchy and boston symphony orchestra

>>127316698
Renaissance is a meme, it only helped build, there's nothing worthwhile to listen over romantic and classical music.

Grosse Fuge is euphoric. It is single greatest piece of music ever written, it's on another level. I can't stop thinking about it. Bach could never.

>>127316773
why are you gay?

>>127314308
amazon sometimes fucks up and switches reviews around

>>127316833
Why are you retarded?

>>127316846
because I don't listen to Renaissance music, causing my brain to shrink

>>127316827
Can you explain for the rest of us?

>>127316842
Yeah I know but that ruins my indignation and the humor

>>127314308
He means in general.

now playing

start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 12 in E-Flat Major, Op. 127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4o_jTosnec&list=OLAK5uy_mgKK2-gPFg6yc6rFHtm37s6HyaUtSfE3Y&index=46

start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 13 in B-Flat Major, Op. 130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQLvO98FUhE&list=OLAK5uy_mgKK2-gPFg6yc6rFHtm37s6HyaUtSfE3Y&index=50

Beethoven: Grosse Fuge, Op. 133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nys-CUQQS8E&list=OLAK5uy_mgKK2-gPFg6yc6rFHtm37s6HyaUtSfE3Y&index=55

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mgKK2-gPFg6yc6rFHtm37s6HyaUtSfE3Y

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZx6WUdYaj0

Bonjour, messieurs
Debussy: Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqYFFk9Q4k

why does Amazon sell these burn/print-on-demand CDs? I mean I know why, but is it really worth burning all of the goodwill of people who still buy physical media for music in this day and age for some short-term profit gain? you think these people are gonna buy another? it's ridiculous, and I feel bad for them. If you're forking over money for a physical release, you should be getting the real deal with a proper design and packaging and quality

Anyway, I feel like listening to a Beethoven 9 this morning, and I know Hurwitz and others consider this Wand/NDR 9th a reference recording, so putting aside my poor experience and personal distaste for Wand's bland, geriatric conducting for a moment, let's give it a try, and if it's good, fug it, I'll listen to the rest of the cycle too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK4qetlv_vs&list=OLAK5uy_lgqktqNY9Q_Q3O9MZkwjSIbH3G3afRKp4&index=34

If it ends up sucking, I'll switch to the, idk, Blomstedt/Gewandhaus recording of the 9th

>>127317116
Is the audio quality of these CD's as good as the originals?

>>127317134
i inadvertently bought a few of these cd-r reissues over the years and several of them had digital artifacts like glitches or ticks. it's extremely disappointing to get a cd-r when you expect to get the real thing.

>>127317187
:/

It ain't right, and sorry to hear that. Not that I buy physical media, but is there anyway to tell on an online marketplace like Amazon? I could be mistaken, but my impression seems to be Amazon has stock of both the real thing and these cheap, essentially counterfeit print-on-demand CD-Rs, and which you get depends on where you live and if they have stock of the real thing at your local fulfillment warehouse -- if this is the case, then sounds impossible to tell and do anything about it aside from returning them if you get the wrong one.

If I'm wrong and the true situation is Amazon doesn't have the real release on hand for the listing at all, then, well, that's even more fucked up, and I don't see how it's not outright false, misleading advertising.

I'm listening to the 5th from this >>127317116
as like an overture to the 9th, and I gotta admit, it's pretty great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtVA-yz6OYQ&list=OLAK5uy_lgqktqNY9Q_Q3O9MZkwjSIbH3G3afRKp4&index=31

Gorgeous, heroic, majestic, exactly as this traditional style Beethoven ought to sound.

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFcgdAzEkso
True-HIP

>>127317226
Woah my guy…you can’t just post a raw performance in /classical/. We need record label-issued albums with pretty album covers (usually with the diversity front and center); We need 2000-word reviews from the experts attesting to the quality of the recording; We need an essay tying the recording to Plato, Democritus, and Heidegger's Philosophy, before we can even start to listen.

>>127317281
pls no bully

Playing Chopin's Grande Valse Brillante op.18 before or after something very jarring and dissonant like Grosse Fuge is so satisfying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZCxO9lPMUs

I went looking for a new complete solo piano Debussy set to try because I ones I currently frequent just aren't satisfying enough (Thibaudet, Bavouzet is good but not enough, etc.) and came across one a pianist named Paul Crossley and I'm going through it slowly and am enjoying it quite a bit so far. Anyway, while listening I decided to look up his Debussy and see what others have said or written about it, and came across a website dedicated to him, and there's a bunch of his writings on certain late 19 century and early-to-mid 20th century solo piano music, and a lot of it is very interesting. Give it a look:

Debussy (part 1)
https://paulcrossleypianist.com/debussypiano-musicvolume-1

Faure's Nocturnes
https://paulcrossleypianist.com/faure-the-nocturnes

Liszt
https://paulcrossleypianist.com/liszt-piano-works

Ravel
https://paulcrossleypianist.com/ravel-complete-piano-music

Messiaen
https://paulcrossleypianist.com/messiaen-piano-recital

It's fascinating and enlightening stuff, basically almost the ideal writing on classical music for someone like me. And of course the set I'm referring to,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_0EtTBGU6Y&list=OLAK5uy_kTrP62FQogH_k9Gz1jH11BYpKCzgA65lI&index=13

Might this be the set I've been looking for, one to live with for the rest of my life? Perhaps. I also added a complete set by the legendary Walter Gieseking finally (been putting of trying his for a while) and the well-known Naxos set by Francois-Joel Thiollier. Of course, there are plenty of great recordings of individual or selected solo piano Debussy pieces, but at the moment I'm specifically looking at those who recorded a complete set.

>>127317226
based

>>127317359
here's an idea: find favorite recordings of individual works and stop obsessing over complete sets

>>127317397
What if the best performance is within a complete set? Anyway my post was more about sharing those writings, check them out!

>>127317397
this, it's getting annoying

>>127317397
>find favorite recordings of individual works and stop obsessing over complete sets
Ain't nobody got time for that.
Complete sets are the standard.

>>127317413
yeah i hate when people post music
-_-

>>127317359
>Nowhere is the complex nature of Fauré’s art better exemplified than in the great series of 13 Nocturnes. They span almost the whole of his creative life, the first dating from 1875 when he was 30, the last from 1921 when he was 76. Whilst the appellation ‘Nocturne’ is neutral rather than evocative, it is quite clear that ‘Nocturne’ was chosen for piano pieces of the greatest emotional weight and depth, ranging from the poised equilibrium of No. 4 to the great struggle of No. 13, from the long lines of No. 7 to the terse and epigrammatic No. 9, from the uninterruptedly radiant flow of No. 3 to the inarticulateness of No. 10, from the serenity of No. 6 to the anguish and torment of No. 12.

>Fauré wrote regretfully of the ‘similarity’ of his music: “It seems that I repeat myself constantly and that I cannot find a noticeably different approach from that already expressed”, and yet listening to the 6th. Nocturne which is separated from the 5th. by 10 years one is aware of an enormous development. Apart from the much richer, subtler, harmony there is, already, a mixture of sensuous lyrical appeal and something approaching the sparer, more angular manner of his later works. The piece juxtaposes various independent blocks of material which, however seem to dove-tail so logically and inevitably. Though quite unanalysable, it remains one of Fauré’s perfect works.

Faure's Nocturnes are truly underrated

>>127317411
>What if the best performance is within a complete set

i said: recordings of individual works, not individual recordings. of course they can be part of a bigger collection. you will never find a perfect complete cycle by one performer because it doesn't exist. you create your own "perfect cycle" by picking and mixing from all the different recordings out there.

>>127317418
if you listen to classical music long enough you'll inevitably find your favorite recordings of your favorite works scattered throughout all sorts of collections and individual recordings

>>127317478
Ah. Well, there's also something to be said about listening to a set by a singular performer/ensemble with a specific vision and crafted approach. Anyway, if one set ends up having the best Preludes but inferior everything else, I'm gonna take note, I'm not gonna arbitrarily limit myself to just one if it's overall higher rated than the other. This is just an easy way of exploring a bunch of performances of all his works.

And again, complete sets are in a way in their own unique class.

Vivaldi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orIkFo1QGgI

Handel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M38TptI0tAc&list=OLAK5uy_meS4O_WMUqV61rsdMoHTJapPWsMtCYoDA&index=3

>he doesn't air-conduct in a room alone like a retard
ng2fmi

damn this might be my favorite recording of the Haas edition (though I'm sure others might find it too fast)

Never bothered listening to Bruno Walter's recordings of Mozart but now I really gotta

https://youtu.be/CQknNSpnSYI?list=PLBgagen1f2_8gKQIZX4iILXRepk9eK20i

I absolutely love the stereo seperation here. Every part is crystal clear. Not to mention that I really like Walter's interpretation.

>>127318836
Surprised you'd never listened to them. One of the essential Mozart symphony sets.

>>127318871
Honestly don't know, I like Walter's recordings of romantic-period music quite a bit. Guess I just put him off a long while for some reason.

For me, it's Liszt's Piano Sonata in B Minor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UimlbR1ffO4&list=OLAK5uy_kfXsYK6hIl24E0pCt4JUeTG7GZIrpKMtg&index=5

>>127318836
>>127318903
Tsk tsk, tried to be a contrarian but learned as we all do that the most popular classical sets are most often the best

>>127319277
Unpopular opinion, I cannot stand this piece. It pretends to be a multi-movement work that acts like one movement but really it's just a shitty single movement work that constantly restates the same 3 themes over and over again

>DUN DUN DUN DUDUDUN DU
>DUUUUN DUUUUN DU DUUU DUDUUUUUUUUUN

>>127319363
fair enough

>The structural ingenuity of this piece is basically unmatched among the large-scale piano works of the period; the sonata opens with a deliciously harmonically ambiguous descent, and ends with a tritone harmonic leap that manages to sound kind of beautiful. The sonata is constructed from five (or, depending on your choice of paper, four, or seven, or nine) motivic elements that are woven into an enormous musical architecture. The motivic are relentlessly transformed throughout the work to suit the musical context of the moment. A theme that in one context sounds menacing and even violent, is then transformed into a beautiful melody (compare 0:55, 8:38, 22:22, 26:02). This technique helps to bind the sonata's sprawling structure into a single cohesive unit, and is a pretty cool example of double-function form (on which, more below).

>Broadly speaking, the sonata has four movements, although there is no gap between them. Superimposed upon the four movements is a large sonata form structure, although the precise beginnings and endings of the traditional development and recapitulation sections has long been a topic of debate. Charles Rosen states in his book The Classical Style that the entire piece fits the mold of a sonata form because of the reprise of material from the first movement that had been in D major, the relative major, now reprised in B minor.

>>127319363
>constantly restates the same 3 themes
Literally all classical restates themes, especially in sonata-allegro form and imitative polyphonic forms.
Now if that theme is boring, that's understandable. Most Beethoven themes are utter boring shite but they're combined in ways to make it interesting.

>>127319413
Yes but a good composer doesn't just restate them verbatim.

>>127319462
Correct, and thankfully Liszt is a good composer.

Just found out that Bach died before finishing The Art of Fugue, so I went ahead and completed it myself in Dorico using the golden ratio, a tone row made from my own DNA, and a MIDI harpsichord soundfont I bought for €3.49 on Gumroad. Thoughts?

Listen. Bach was fine. FINE. But let’s not act like the guy wasn’t just vibing in D minor and calling it a day. He didn’t even finish his last fugue. So naturally, as someone who’s spent upwards of 14 months in Sibelius crashing my CPU with tuplets nested inside tuplets (inside tuplets), I felt compelled to intervene.

I’ve reconstructed the final contrapunctus using:

-mathematically perfect Fibonacci-based subject in total serialism

-inverted crab canons that spell out “JSBACHDEADLOL” in note rows

-a rhythmic structure based on prime numbers and my dog’s heartbeat

Also: the entire thing spells “Bach is overrated” in Morse code if you look at it in piano roll view.

I have uploaded it to SoundCloud as an unlisted track titled “Contra(factual)punktus X: Return of the Modulation”, and I’ll only give out the link if you pass a 3 question quiz on Ligeti’s hairline.

Anyway. Is it better than the original? Yes.
Should I be appointed Kapellmeister of Berlin? Probably.

Will I be submitting this to the next annual conference on algorithmic microtonality? Already have. It got rejected.

Also, I’ve sent a handwritten manuscript of my fugue (on tanned goat vellum) to Ton Koopman, and he emailed back with just “Why.”

Please be honest but gentle. I’m incredibly sensitive and also believe that Arvo Pärt speaks to me through broken kettles.

>>127319674
amusing, thank you

>>127319674
no amount of attempts at humor will cloud how retarded a statement "Bach is overrated" is

>>127319674
So where is it?

>>127319955
I guess if you really really really love counterpoint and 17th century dances he’s your man

wtf I like Wand's Bruckner now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEvY_Mh56wQ

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>>127319955
B-ACK

>>127319955
not disproving the jokes about bachfags being stodgy and autismal here

listen to Renaissance Music

Dowland
https://youtu.be/1MomSASPDP0?si=OkrZC3c1bedh8erh

Byrd
https://youtu.be/WNSPL51xxT8?si=ONQda3XmH_G5kgrO

Tallis
https://youtu.be/WkEKt3C1VIM?si=vJqjNNKJeNV5X9dh

>>127320272
>R*naissance
No thanks. I'd rather listen to Der Ring cycle two times in one sitting.

>>127320013
For those here familiar with Wand's Bruckner, is just sticking to the BPO cycle adequate or which symphonies is his NDR or Munich or whatever other recording worth listening to instead or as well?

>>127320284
don't self-flagellate now, missing out on Byrd and Palestrina is punishment enough without that

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>>127320295
not that into Wand myself but I've seen his fans recommend NDR quite a bit

>>127320284
filtered