Thread 127311752

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>Rock
>Rock but with pointless noise

>>127313098
Before the Velvet Underground no one knew that you could do that. Not even modern classical composers

>>127311752 (OP)
music peaked here

>>127313111
Erm.

>>127313184
Show me where AMM combined rock with the pointless noise

>>127311752 (OP)
serialist propaganda

>>127313201
Serialism was so fucking boring and antimusical it killed the development of classical music. People realized you could just play pointless noise over a rock beat and said fuck going to school just to learn 12 tone shit that doesn't evoke a single emotion

>>127311752 (OP)
>makes prominent use of guitar feedback before hendrix does
wtf

>>127313111
no.
no one did that because it's pointless and stupid

>>127313221
all serialism did was filter retards for over a century straight

>>127313267
>pointless and stupid
Then how come Sister Ray is the best song of all time

>>127313276
It's entirely conceptual nonsense. It's not even trying to fulfill the function of music. I like noise and free improv and Morton Feldman and whatever but serialism is just a thought experiment. If you like thinking about sound instead of experiencing it then maybe you can appreciate serialism.

>>127313277
Im not listening to 17 minutes of it

>>127313267
This.

>>127313301
>17 minutes

My favorite version is 29 minutes and the 38 minute version isn't bad either

>>127313098
Les Rallizes Denudes would perfect this in 1977. Fushitsusha would try to take it a step further but forget to keep the rock beat

>>127311752 (OP)
Theory is descriptive; you can do it accidentally.
/mu/ & op BTFO, yet again.

>>127311752 (OP)
It would have been music LAW by now if it weren't for this.

>>127313276
not trying to be on these poptards' side, but serialism is pretentious kike slop, schönberg should have stuck to his late romantic style or just quit music.

>No, Lou! You need to play a series of tones according to the theories of Schopenhauer
>plays random tremolo shit over a rockabilly beat

>>127313363
Spacemen 3 you mean.

>>127313111
One year before, and it actually sounded good. Fuck right off.
https://youtu.be/O58ouPdjgo0?si=FZ4BbcaOB27uILg-

>>127313754
Spacemen 3 don't do a lot of the random noise. They mostly just play two chords over and over very loudly.

>>127313774
Beatles fags always bring up Tomorrow Never Knows when it's not even relevant to the conversation. It's a nice song but it isn't European Son

>>127313184
This is just pointless noise, no rock to be found.

>>127313792
European Son sucks. Being too strung out on heroin to remember how to play your guitar isn’t high art.

I went through a Velvet Underground phase. Shit was embarrassing.

>>127313777
And make better music than Engrish wank.
>>127313797
>This is just pointless noise
So, same as TVU.

>>127313807
People act like European Son is noise. It's a fucking blues jam. And a good one at that.

>>127313829
>It's a fucking blues jam
No it isn't. This ain't the Grateful Dead.

>>127313828
Spacemen 3 are great don't get me wrong. I listen to them more than the Velvet Underground but less than Les Rallizes Denudes. But their style is very minimal and focused on the rhythm guitar itself rather than the lead .

Lou Reed was a pretentious bitter asshole who made terrible music and spent his life shitting on far more talented artists because he was jealous.
>the Beatles suck
>I never liked the Beatles
Yes you did Lou. Why else would you write a derivative ass song like Who Loves The Sun?

>>127313849
Because they're busy writing songs not free form aimless jams that don't go anywhere.

>>127313839
Go back and listen to it they keep a steady beat (by Mo's standards), and sterling alternates a handful of rockabilly rhythm parts while Lou fucks around and plays relatively freely on top

>>127313290
Where'd you get that idea?

>>127311752 (OP)
There's literally nothing that sounds better down at the car wash than this slbum

>>127313774
>2022 Mix
Yuck.

When and why did /mu/ turn on The Velvet Underground?

>>127311752 (OP)
Music theory is descriptive, you don't 'debunk' it.

>>127315568
Midwit detected

>>127313792
And what's so great about European Son?

The dream of the underground as an autonomous zone takes root here: a sense of style that would pave the way for glam rock; a sense of nihilism that would bulldoze a clear path for punk; an uncompromisingly avant-garde sound that would lead to post-punk and beyond. There was their subject matter, decadent and depraved: whips and furs, back-alley blowjobs, tragic heroines, and also heroin—lots of heroin. The hippie phenomenon was a populist movement, as relatable to teenagers as bubble-gum pop had been a few years prior, and the Velvets were anything but. They invented a whole new kind of cool, their sound raw and shambolic: “Femme Fatale,” despite its glamorous premise, sounds like it was recorded in a broom closet. Lou Reed’s voice is high and nasal, and Nico—a fashion model and actor from Fellini’s La Dolce Vita and Warhol’s Chelsea Girls—sounds about as lively as an IV drip. The record was grotty and lo-fi, the sound of a reel-to-reel tape retreating into a turtle shell. And yet they had noise, much from their avant-gardist John Cale, a classically trained violist who turned his education into droning, seesawing, nails-on-a-chalkboard frequencies. When they performed, incongruously, at a formal dinner for the New York Society for Clinical Psychiatry in 1966, one shrink called them “a short-lived torture of cacophony.”

Today, it’s easy to see The Velvet Underground & Nico as a solipsistic record, given all the social and political problems of the era that it ignores; the Velvets weren’t so much turning on and dropping out as digging in and shooting up. If the contemporary underground begins here then so too, perhaps, does its occasionally blinkered perspective. Art for art’s sake can be a hell of a drug. But for all of their danger and debasement, there was also something cozy about the Velvet Underground. “Sunday Morning” is a song about taking stock of the “wasted years,” yet it’s as gentle as a lullaby. “Heroin,” despite Reed’s bleak decision to “nullify my life,” turns two chords and a motorik beat into a burbling sunrise pulse that feels like rock’n’roll heaven. Far from “closing in on death,” the Velvet Underground were zeroing in on the sound of the future.

>>127317391
Not really. It's simply the truth. The ultimate midwit position is thinking music theory is some kind of prescriptive boogeyman. I bet you can't even read music, let alone understand it.

>>127318283
The midwittery is to believe there is even a prescriptive vs descriptive dichotomy.
It's a myth that music theory wasn't used by great composers are musicians. Even musicians that "don't know theory" still know things intuitively that are described by theory, and usually know basic theory (chords and scales).
I can read music and know a lot about music theory btw.

>>127313774
if you think this is, in any way, as noisy as the first two tvu albums you're just a hopeless beatlesfag. don't you have to claim they invented metal and reggae and breakbeat or whatever? fuck off.

>>127313774
Tomorrow Never Knows posters really fall for any novelty trick, it's a cool song but imagine thinking it's more impressive than like If I Fell or Lovely Rita

>>127313098
>Jakshits
>Jakshits, on a cross

>>127314950
based
>>127315198
filtered zoomies seething and your usual contrarians. there's a bunch of the former on rym and it's pretty embarrasing.

>>127319274
My only contrarian opinion about the album is that it could have been improved by having Reed sing Nico's tracks (Sunday Morning is the best vocal performance on the album) and also that I like S/T a little better

>>127313792
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>>127319219
This triggered a lot of people there. The main difference is that Tomorrow Never Knows actually sounds like a song unlike your European Son lmao.

>>127313111
Harry Partch US Maple? Nihilist Spasm Band 1965 demos? Red Krayola demos? The Godz? The Fugs? Frank Zappa?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CU00jxLlFU

>>127321319
All of these artists either did straight noise or noise and then rock side by side. Show me one example of them doing noise over rock before 1967.