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Anonymous No.127324882 >>127324923 >>127327332 >>127327458 >>127327461 >>127335288 >>127335324 >>127335351 >>127335437 >>127344209
it's a percussive instrument
Anonymous No.127324923 >>127325432 >>127327011 >>127327051 >>127327332 >>127328309 >>127333039 >>127335193 >>127335278 >>127335283 >>127337822 >>127344183
>>127324882 (OP)
Percussive stringed. I hate that thing. Absolutely sick of hearing that tone. Bloated and ridiculous. Severely and historically tragic marketing. Even the Hammond organ was marketed better. Historic tragedy of an instrument. Ridiculous tone.
Anonymous No.127325432 >>127337892
>>127324923
Anonymous No.127327011 >>127327235 >>127327332 >>127327406 >>127335283 >>127335303 >>127338476
>>127324923
Holy based. It is so much less interesting than every keyboard instrumenta that preceeded it in terms of timbre, it's also too rigid, you cannot manipulate pitch like you can on string and wind instruments.
Anonymous No.127327051 >>127327406
>>127324923
Fucking pleb
Anonymous No.127327235 >>127329337 >>127330213
>>127327011
what is prepared piano
Anonymous No.127327332 >>127330213 >>127335406
>>127324882 (OP)
It's a chordophone.
>>127324923
Nonsense. I could never tire of it, and some of the greatest music of all time was written on it.
>marketing
No idea what you even mean by this. Perhaps overmarketed? The reason for that is simple: because it won. It became the ultimate compositional tool for good reason. It's a cathedral of form.
>>127327011
>interesting
>you cannot manipulate pitch like you can on string and wind instruments
Subjective nonsense. Who gives a crap about manipulating pitch? You have
>architectural clarity
No other instrument allows for such immediate visualization and control of harmony, voicing, spacing, and counterpoint. That's why it's the preferred compositional tool across multiple centuries, from Bach to Ligeti.
>wide dynamic and registral range
It spans over seven octaves, from thunderous bass to bell-like treble. It can imitate orchestral breadth and is capable of both intimacy and power.
>sustain and resonance
Yeah yeah yeah, you can't manipulate pitch, but you can pedal, which allows you to shape sound in extremely diverse and subtle ways with sympathetic resonance, overtones, pedal blending, etc.
>polyphony
No other solo instrument gives you the option to play 4- or 5-voice counterpoint. The fact that it's a polyphonic instrument already puts it in S tier.
>repertoire
Like I said, some of the greatest music of all time was written for it. Titans of classical music and jazz wrote so much great music with it.
Anonymous No.127327406
>>127327011
Wider dynamic range, sustainable notes, and is more versatile that the more portable, more primitive instruments; a large, complex, needy instrument.

>>127327051 sorry for ever having offended you
Anonymous No.127327424
The piano couldn't go out of style even if there was some absurd and ridiculous attempt. It's just too d*mn big and they require attention.
Anonymous No.127327458
>>127324882 (OP)
Why, yes, it is.
Anonymous No.127327461 >>127335402 >>127335484
>>127324882 (OP)
If guitarists can slap and scrape and thumb their instrument I don't see why you can't give your piano a walloping.
Anonymous No.127327501
The strings could potentially hurt someone if popped. Would hate to see that.
Anonymous No.127328309
>>127324923
The muddy sound is caused by the bass strings being too thick causing inharmonic overtones. It sounds much better if make it longer instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm7QFN7D8fM
Anonymous No.127329237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNpxCAG92kU
Anonymous No.127329337
>>127327235
That just means it's been modified in some way.
Anonymous No.127330213 >>127338863
>>127327235
I know, but even then you can't make changes to pitch on the fly.

>>127327332
>Subjective
Yes.
>nonsense.
No.
>Who gives a crap about manipulating pitch?
Me.

Everything else you've said is true of course, i never denied any of it.
Anonymous No.127330336 >>127330550
Instruments with keys should be considered their own thing
Anonymous No.127330550 >>127333004
>>127330336
No, it's about how the sound is produced, you're gonna couple in an aerophone like the accordion with a harpsichord?
Anonymous No.127333004
>>127330550
Ill pair the harpsichord piano organ and keyboard yeah, they pretty much serve the same purpose with different tones
Anonymous No.127333039
>>127324923
I'm not always in the mood for piano but hating piano?
???
Anonymous No.127335113
Forte Piano - invented by Bartolomeo Cristofori


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1qDC1cjm4E
Anonymous No.127335193 >>127335308
>>127324923
You have no penis.
Anonymous No.127335268
People who don't enjoy the sound of a grand piano are soulless subhumans, simple as.
Anonymous No.127335278
>>127324923
simultaneously the weakest bait AND stupidest post ever to grace /mu/
congratualtions, ma'am
Anonymous No.127335283 >>127338476
>>127324923
>>127327011
has to be samefagging.
do you know the odds against having two (2) people this stupid appear in one (1) thread?
Anonymous No.127335288
>>127324882 (OP)
What are you saying?
Anonymous No.127335303
>>127327011
>you cannot manipulate pitch
You almost can by playing one note above the other so quickly that it's barely audible. It gives the impression that the note is being bent.
Anonymous No.127335308
>>127335193
It's in your ear.
Anonymous No.127335324
>>127324882 (OP)
>music is based on a hard object that lowers from up to down and hits something else, thereby creating sound
>thus is a percussive instrument
I mean it works.
Anonymous No.127335351 >>127337171 >>127337292
>>127324882 (OP)
The synthesizer solved this instrument.
Anonymous No.127335402 >>127335484
>>127327461
based Jessica Williams, R.I.P., did exactly this on many different pieces
Anonymous No.127335406 >>127338782 >>127338863
>>127327332
> That's why it's the preferred compositional tool across multiple centuries, from Bach to Ligeti.
didn't bach play organ and clavichord (the latter of which actually does have pitch control), the modern piano didn't even exist yet
i think clavichord was the standard baroque/classical compositional instrument
Anonymous No.127335437
>>127324882 (OP)
Fuck off Tori you haven't been relevant in 30 years and your botox looks awful
Anonymous No.127335484
>>127327461
>>127335402
She talks about it in: https://www.npr.org/2022/04/15/1093047427/remembering-jazz-pianist-and-composer-jessica-williams

The whole thing of using her fingernails on the strings, to get a rise out of people, it's interesting
Anonymous No.127336545
Clavichord (14th century):

Soft, intimate, warm sound.
Highly touch-sensitive, allows dynamic control and bebung (vibrato-like effect).
Quiet, used for private settings.

Harpsichord (15th century):
Bright, crisp, crystalline tone. No touch dynamics; volume fixed.
Plucked strings, rich in harmonics, used in Baroque music.

Spinet (16th century):
Smaller harpsichord variant. Weaker sound than harpsichord, louder than clavichord.
Fewer harmonics, compact design for homes.

Fortepiano (1700):
Early piano, softer than modern pianos.
Less sustain, buzzing bass, tinkling treble.
Touch-sensitive, precursor to modern piano.

Grand Piano (1700, modernized mid-19th century):
Bold, full sound with good sustain.
Rich, resonant tone.
Evolved into modern concert piano with stronger frame, broader range.

Square Piano (1760s): Charming, distinct tone. Louder than fortepiano, less powerful than grand.
Compact, rectangular shape for domestic use.

Upright Piano (1800):
Less resonant than grand, warm tones.
Vertical design saves space.
Sound varies by size and quality, widely used in homes.

Player Piano (1896): Mechanically plays music via perforated rolls.
Sound matches base piano type (upright or grand).
Popular for entertainment.

Honky-tonk Piano (early 20th century):
Detuned, jangly sound. Often an upright, intentionally out-of-tune for distinctive,
lively character in saloons, bars.
Anonymous No.127337171
>>127335351
the application is completely different
Anonymous No.127337292
>>127335351
>The synthesizer solved this

The Neo-Bechstein.

>1931

>world’s first electric grand piano,

>developed by C. Bechstein, Siemens, and Walther Nernst.

>Used micro-hammers and electromagnetic pickups, (predating the electric guitar) eliminating the soundboard, with sound amplified through a loudspeaker.

>Features included volume control via a pedal and a built-in radio/phonograph.

>Costing around 2,500 Reichsmarks (approximately $15,000 USD in 2025, adjusted for inflation),

>failed due to its avant-garde sound, high maintenance, & unconventional aesthetics.

>Later instruments like the Novachord (1939) and Ondioline (1941)

>built on its electro-acoustic principles but were more successful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk6rirQrDQ4
Anonymous No.127337822 >>127338883
>>127324923
Based post. They hate the truth because their mommies spent too much money making them practice this annoying sounding piece of shit with its awful, AWFUL, TONE. I'll venture to say the piano ruined music entirely when it became a staple of classical music in the 1800's. No wide dynamic range, polyphony, octaves can ever change the inherently shitty sound of it. All those elephants' deaths were a mockery and affront towards nature. Go back to listening to ragtime faggots!
Anonymous No.127337892
>>127325432
>muh breaking bad
Faggot retard.
Anonymous No.127338476
>>127335283
What's stupid about what i said? I'm >>127327011
Anonymous No.127338782 >>127338876
>>127335406
pianocels will never know that mellifluous touch sensitivity
https://youtu.be/z7IY3CybMiE?si=IyzCkME-swVPnixq&t=125
Anonymous No.127338840
it's a percussive instrument
Anonymous No.127338863
>>127330213
Alright, fair enough. You put way too much importance on pitch for my liking, but I guess we'll just agree to disagree then.
>>127335406
You're right to correct me. The first piano was invented around 1700, and Bach did try a few early models, but he was critical of their tone and dynamics, so he mainly stuck with harpsichord, organ, and clavichord. They don't call the organ the queen of instruments for nothing.
If we're talking earliest piano music, you could point to Scarlatti, Clementi, and Mozart; Beethoven had transitional pianos, while Liszt was already writing for the modern concert grand piano. That said, I don't think it matters too much to compare early fortepianos to modern pianos - today, 99% of it is all played on the modern instrument. The changes from the earliest fortepianos to today's grands were gradual: more octaves, greater range, richer tone, more dynamics, more action, better sustain, extra pedals. But from the start, it was always a superb compositional tool.
Anonymous No.127338876 >>127340575
>>127338782
would it be possible to make a grand piano sized instrument with direct action like this instead of the hammer system so it'd have vibrato too
Anonymous No.127338883 >>127341943
>>127337822
alright calm down samefag
Anonymous No.127340575
>>127338876
maybe the heavy doubled/tripled piano strings would be too tight to bend though idk
so you'd just get the worst of both worlds
Anonymous No.127341943 >>127342103
>>127338883
Scott Joplin muthafucka
Anonymous No.127342103
>>127341943
I don't even like ragtime
Anonymous No.127344070 >>127344238
"The oldest record of wire being made for musical instruments is from Augsburg in 1351.[1]"

[1] Dolge, Alfred (1911) Pianos and Their Makers: A Comprehensive History of the Development of the Piano from the Monochord to the Concert Grand Player Piano. Covina Publishing Company.
Anonymous No.127344085
Metal strings for clavichords in the 1500s were made from brass or iron via wire drawing: a rod was descaled, pointed, and pulled through successively smaller dies (holes in metal plates) to reduce diameter and increase length, often manually or with water-powered mills, then annealed (cooled slowly) for flexibility.
Anonymous No.127344183
>>127324923
>Absolutely sick of hearing that tone. Bloated and ridiculous. Severely and historically tragic marketing. Even the Hammond organ was marketed better. Historic tragedy of an instrument. Ridiculous tone.
https://youtu.be/tTGpLl48veQ?si=SGfMY5CERDtIkaZQ
Anonymous No.127344209
>>127324882 (OP)
>its straight up the best instrument ever can do everything and its great solo
Anonymous No.127344238
>>127344070
Source:

https://archive.org/details/pianostheirmaker00dolg/page/n9/mode/2up

https://www.loc.gov/item/11020107

https://www.abebooks.com/signed/Pianos-Makers-comprehensive-history-development-piano/31934692202/bd
Anonymous No.127344884
>strings

https://www.cumpiano.com/strings-a-history