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Anonymous No.127325808 [Report] >>127326399 >>127327820 >>127327847 >>127327877 >>127328752 >>127330227 >>127339185 >>127341570 >>127341660
Thoughts on Kino?
I discovered this band recently after playing GTA4 and think they're great. Their music is simple and catchy,but Tsoi's vocal inject a surprising level of depth. Even though I don't speak Russian, I can't stop listening to them.
Anonymous No.127325835 [Report]
Some of my favorite tracks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiDUIfMk7go&list=RD8L9twaOEYhY&index=3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOvYGQtFBNM&list=RD8L9twaOEYhY&index=6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXk8QXhr7Fk&list=RD8L9twaOEYhY&index=14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXBNC3QwJQc&list=RD8L9twaOEYhY&index=21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSU8XLZ3TPY
Anonymous No.127326399 [Report]
>>127325808 (OP)
I used to listen to them when I was manning the security cameras at 3 AM.
Very good for that.
Great evolution of the Joy Division sound.
Kino No.127327738 [Report] >>127327847
Kino
Anonymous No.127327820 [Report]
>>127325808 (OP)
Salve rock or sum, just sounds pleasant to the ears
https://youtube.com/watch?v=b3Tcu_g4RSM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=d3caUlZijGA

https://youtube.com/watch?v=o3iXn-aJubU
Anonymous No.127327847 [Report]
>>127325808 (OP)
>>127327738
Yep, its kino
Anonymous No.127327877 [Report] >>127328752
>>127325808 (OP)
theyre great
ive heard it said that by the end, tsoi was the only real thing keeping the soviet union together. once he was gone there was nothing left to do but collapse. its an exaggeration, but the guy was absolutely adored by everyone. ppl were gutted. and were only getting half the story, since his lyrics were what made everyone fall in love with him

but i gotta stick up for yuri kasparyan. maybe im biased as a non-ruskie speaker, but the guys guitar lines make SO many of the songs imo. you wouldnt call him a shredder or anything, but he sure knew how to make memorable part, which is definitely a lot more important imo.
just listen to some of these parts. literally iconic even after the first time youve heard them.

even when they were just a bunch of dumb kids trying to rip off the smiths, it was still awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-SUDfFCJ2s
definitely deserved their rise to the literal top of the USSRs musical food chain.
Anonymous No.127327902 [Report] >>127330894
not to be too offtopic
but does anyone know of an akvarium (i think) song with tsoi singing on it?
its a very specific one, its acoustic, up-tempo, sounds like it was recorded in a commieblock stairwell, and it starts with two acoustic guitars playing a bendy little lick together.
i used to love that one but i lost track of it
Anonymous No.127328015 [Report] >>127328182 >>127328265
I've heard that Tsoi is пидopac and хyecoc, is that true?
Anonymous No.127328182 [Report]
>>127328015
idk man
he was dead before i was even alive
so he definitely didnt suck mine
Anonymous No.127328265 [Report]
>>127328015
>Korean
Checks out.
Anonymous No.127328752 [Report] >>127329307 >>127329415 >>127334821
>>127325808 (OP)
Russian here. Yeah, Kino was legit great. The band is kind of hated though because of the fans, Kino are an iconic band for trashy people who love absolute shit tier Russian rock/punk/metal. Also, "Пaчкa Cигapeт" is basically the Russian "Wonderwall", it's a song that every faggot with a guitar will play. Doesn't help that the lyrics are about cigs, the only thing low IQ subhumans understand.
The truth is, the band was far closer to post-punk / new wave (depending on period). I think one needs context when understanding Kino, basically having a band like this was barely legal in USSR. It was different from the West where everyone was free to buy any records, play any music, and even make good living off of that.
And yeah, I agree with >>127327877, Kasparyan played a huge role in their sound. He later was in a band called U-Piter with a guy from Nautilus Pompilius (another good Russian band), though they played more radio friendly pop.
Anonymous No.127329307 [Report] >>127329379 >>127330223
>>127328752
>having a band like this was barely legal in USSR
thats something ive been wondering
i know on the punkier side, like yegor and crew, they had all kinds of problems. but that was due to them being pretty openly confrontational to status quo.
but the more regular bands, while totally inoffensive musically/lyrically, could still have been branded "counter-revolutionary" depending on what era of soviet dogma was being pulled from.

did they get fucked with a lot? cops shutting down shows? KGB arresting everyone? how exactly did it work?
i know it was discouraged, but i never rly heard "how" it was discouraged.

also
>Doesn't help that the lyrics are about cigs, the only thing low IQ subhumans understand.
being able to communicate with bydlo en masse is a pretty important skill for a singer. i cant comment on the actual lyrics as its just gibberish to me. but that seems notable.
Anonymous No.127329379 [Report] >>127348056
>>127329307
>Пaчкa Cигapeт
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY6bmJDcyGY
also also
that lead
wtf is that? and then he goes into the harmonics, BEFORE the change. thats so fucking sick. yuri is a GOAT guitarist. youre lucky your wonderwall even has a lead guitarist.
Anonymous No.127329415 [Report] >>127329700 >>127330020
>>127328752
>Russian here. Yeah, Kino was legit great. The band is kind of hated though because of the fans, Kino are an iconic band for trashy people who love absolute shit tier Russian rock/punk/metal.

Russian Slayer?
Anonymous No.127329700 [Report] >>127330020
>>127329415
theyre the biggest band the soviets had. period. there was no bigger.
so theyre kinda damned to be normcore, at least over there.
Anonymous No.127330020 [Report]
>>127329415
Sort of. This anon >>127329700 is right. It's kind of weird, because the band was more like The Cure / Chameleons / Smiths, not the kind of "normie" band that fills stadiums. You'd expect this sound to be kind of niche, for goths and depressive post punk kids. But the band became so big that it was basically a symbol of Russian rock music to normalfags, hell, it was probably more popular than half the pop artists. To the point that if you mentioned you liked Kino to musicfags, or said goth kids, they'd think you're a really trashy low IQ normie, the way people look down at Creed / Pantera fans I guess?… Except even worse, like all you listen to is Creed and Taylor Swift I guess.
Anonymous No.127330223 [Report] >>127330305 >>127334843
>>127329307
Soviet union got gradually less strict with this through the 80s. But there are several things to it.
You couldn't really buy "foreign" records at a regular store, especially anything racy like punk/metal etc. was a no-no. Regular record stores only sold Soviet records, for most part. Anything "foreign" people generally got from relatives / on trips to Eastern Germany or other western republics. You wouldn't hear foreign music on radio much either. Ironically—the few artists that were somehow allowed in USSR got absolutely huge, e.g. Italian guys like Celentano / Cutugno, or Modern Talking.
So immediately, just getting access to influential Western music was a problem.
Vice versa, starting a band like Kino "officially" was virtually impossible. They'd get censored to hell. They'd have to get good gear somewhere (Soviet instruments were obviously terrible and outdated), record albums, sell them, play gigs. They couldn't really do it "officially".
While in the 80s the government didn't police music THAT hard, there was still an unspoken "social credit" system in the country. This meant that if word got out that you played in a band like Kino, many social doors would be immediately closed for you, and though you wouldn't get thrown in jail, there'd be enough pressure on you otherwise—threatening your job, education, general life perspectives, or those of your parents, etc.. Basically, you'd become a black sheep of the society.
Finally, we got it relatively easy in the 80s, but we almost didn't. At one time, we almost got a leader who was a KGB guy, who wanted to crack down on everything. He passed away rather quickly though. Got replaced by Gorby, who basically was the opposite, wanted more freedom for everyone. So Tsoy and Kino got very, very lucky we had Gorby when they peaked.
Anonymous No.127330227 [Report]
>>127325808 (OP)
The name says it all
Anonymous No.127330305 [Report] >>127330894
>>127330223
>starting a band like Kino "officially" was virtually impossible. They'd get censored to hell. They'd have to get good gear somewhere (Soviet instruments were obviously terrible and outdated), record albums, sell them, play gigs. They couldn't really do it "officially".
so they basically punkrocked/word-of-mouthed their way to the top with zero help
thats cool af

>there was still an unspoken "social credit" system in the country. This meant that if word got out that you played in a band like Kino, many social doors would be immediately closed for you, and though you wouldn't get thrown in jail, there'd be enough pressure on you otherwise—threatening your job, education, general life perspectives, or those of your parents, etc
communism is scary stuff
they always pick the strangest things to obsess over
Anonymous No.127330894 [Report] >>127332647
>>127330305
They did have some "help", sort of. Being in the Leningrad rock club helped a lot, basically as the name implies it was a club of like-minded individuals who organized all this stuff, gigs and recordings, working around political barriers and all. Half of the best Soviet rock bands were involved in the club, there was a lot of mutual support, hence why you'd hear Tsoy collaborate with Akvarium, for example (see >>127327902 ). Still all of that was "underground", basically.
As for why communism censored music—Soviet regime was based on total control of the media, because they needed to convince people USSR was the best country in the world, while the West was "corrupt and decaying". One thing people also seem to overlook is that it was also extremely conservative. Surely, it was atheist, but everything else was largely about traditional values, traditional authority and so on. No crazy fashion, music, and so on. And by the way, at least in Cuba commies are not atheist at all.
North Korea is a good example of the above, you can see that the state controls literally everything in the country. They're afraid of K-Pop, and for a reason—imagine trying to convince your people that your country and its leader are the greatest, and South Korea is a failed shithole, but then people get exposed to K-Pop idols.
But to be fair, it's not like they didn't fight "devil's music" in the West. They tried to fight it for a long time, basically lost because it made money and people liked their freedums.
Anonymous No.127332647 [Report]
>>127330894
>Being in the Leningrad rock club helped a lot, basically as the name implies it was a club of like-minded individuals who organized all this stuff, gigs and recordings, working around political barriers and all
yea thats kinda what i meant by punkrocked their way to the top
them and their scene just forced themselves into the public consciousness from sheer force of will, despite total media blackout and censorship
its pretty cool

>But to be fair, it's not like they didn't fight "devil's music" in the West. They tried to fight it for a long time, basically lost because it made money and people liked their freedums.
true
the only real difference was the soviet bureaucracy was more powerful, so it was much easier for them to do
Anonymous No.127332951 [Report]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU53a29zfIk
DUDE
Anonymous No.127334821 [Report]
>>127328752
>Nautilus Pompilius
I know them from the Brat movie
Offtopic, but could you recommend me any more crime kino (heh) like that, Zhmurki, and Syostry?
Anonymous No.127334843 [Report] >>127335070 >>127335081
>>127330223
>They'd get censored to hell
back in the day any rock band playing shows had to "register" their lyrics to be "approved"
here's a moment in an Auktyon concert during the Q&A part that a "member" of the audience
starts asking about the last song they played because they "weren't able to make out the lyrics too good"
so they tell them they didn't register the lyrics because it wasn't their lyrics but rather it was a poem
that was printed in the publication 'Ogonyok' - and they could look up the lyrics in a library if they wanted to
then he proceeds to recite the poem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLs_cx8aP8A&t=3887
Anonymous No.127335070 [Report] >>127337273
>>127334843
ffs how many KGB agents did they have?
they got them at every show double-checking all the lyrics are registered?
what on earth
Anonymous No.127335081 [Report] >>127337273
>>127334843
what would be the consequences of not having that poem excuse there?
would they just arrest you and drag you off stage? sent to the reeducation camp?
Anonymous No.127337273 [Report] >>127339045 >>127339080
>>127335070
>ffs how many KGB agents did they have?
this is in St. Pete so they had presence there
they probably watched shows to keep the bands in check
also maybe Saigon cafe where rockers hung out
of course they did the same in Moscow
and probably any other city with a big enough rock scene
>>127335081
>what would be the consequences of not having that poem excuse there?
nah. probably just not let them play again. officially at least
they couldn't really prevent them from playing private little concerts in someone's flat
this show was recorded in Nov 1986 so it was already glasnost and after the Chernobyl disaster
so probably things were loosening up a bit
Auktyon are not really political anyway
Anonymous No.127338771 [Report]
Eto Nye Lyubov
1985-01-01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hc0Hb6NWAg
Anonymous No.127339045 [Report] >>127339096
>>127337273
also the organs that were in the business of "approving' lyrics were infiltrated by folks like Nina Baranovskaya who acted as a mother figure to the artists helping them get their lyrics approved.
Anonymous No.127339080 [Report] >>127339177
>>127337273
>this show was recorded in Nov 1986 so it was already glasnost and after the Chernobyl disaster
lol i was about to say
1986? i think they got bigger problems rn

thats like a dangerously strange band tho. i can almost kinda see why the commies were concerned lol
they remind me of DK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwwbBeTD37g
were they also part of that club?
Anonymous No.127339096 [Report]
>>127339045
>also the organs that were in the business of "approving' lyrics were infiltrated by folks like Nina Baranovskaya who acted as a mother figure to the artists helping them get their lyrics approved.
lmao
soviet problems require soviet solutions. just like infiltrate the govt bureaucracy.
you gotta love the pure tenacity they mustve had to even try to "make it" under such circumstances
Anonymous No.127339177 [Report]
>>127339080
>were they also part of that club?
they would've probably been part of the Moscow club
Anonymous No.127339185 [Report] >>127339334
>>127325808 (OP)
weird that there are a bunch of imitators going for the same type of sound. some even attempting "the look"
Ivan Kurnaev and Novii Den
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnySHrRNtyw
Vtoraya Seriya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ1-pXeXDec
Z-exit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UwjsBZrRU0
Anonymous No.127339244 [Report]
another weird one - Viktor Letov - mashups of Kino and Grob songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7IGnpD7w58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sb-lMvL8tM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NPnlD3qwis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BqP2A7IbhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kRQ81Bal84
Anonymous No.127339334 [Report]
>>127339185
>weird that there are a bunch of imitators going for the same type of sound.
not that weird
how many ppl in the wect tried to rip off nirvana after nevermind came out? several gorillion at least.
thats about how big kino was in the USSR. full olympic stadium shows
embedrel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14QJDnydXmg
their last show
Anonymous No.127339381 [Report] >>127341394
since were kinda spiraling out into soviet stuff in general, whats this guys deal?
>Boвa Cиний
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsA077HDdEg
really like the video at least

ive heard another album of his, the blue bulbs play, and its some grimy sampled ruskie proto-rap? idk how to describe it lol
seems a like a cool dude
Anonymous No.127341394 [Report] >>127341410
>>127339381
>Boвa Cиний
I've heard his stuff but never got fully into it
it's said they were the first to use samples in Soviet music
Igor Lagutenko of Mumiy Troll was a fan
here's him performing with them in 2010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkVj2uDstig
Anonymous No.127341410 [Report]
>>127341394
>Igor
meant Ilya
Anonymous No.127341570 [Report] >>127341660 >>127341667
>>127325808 (OP)
>I discovered this band recently after playing GTA4
Kids these days are unironically disgusting
Anonymous No.127341660 [Report]
>>127325808 (OP)
>>127341570
I first heard them in a stalker mod and have been a fan ever since
Anonymous No.127341667 [Report]
>>127341570
>kids these days
Boomer, GTA4 came out in 2008. It's old enough to drive.

Also Vladivostok FM was the best station, so good on OP for having taste
https://youtu.be/EEIAGihocyo
Anonymous No.127341768 [Report]
there are more songs from them in Metro Exodus too
Anonymous No.127342192 [Report]
bezdelnik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imItXBR3-Jg
Anonymous No.127344529 [Report]
Trolleybus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5JMuvQZR1g
Anonymous No.127345733 [Report]
aluminevye ogurtsy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZM-NxeXxM
Anonymous No.127347778 [Report]
mama anarkhiya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iREp3xLmAWY
Anonymous No.127348056 [Report]
>>127329379
>youre lucky your wonderwall even has a lead guitarist.
I love shitting on Wundawoh just as much as the next guy (though I like the song), but the acoustic lines that noel plays under the main chords are fucking great.
Anonymous No.127348076 [Report]
Eto Ne Lyubov' is my personal favourite of theirs. Such a breezy album. I love it.