Thread 127332134

>crammed with strumming acoustic guitars
>Bill Ward's jazz faggotry on all songs
>the only known song is the title song
Why is it so overrated? Is it a "Jazz fags only Metal album in their collection" thing?

The REAL Jazz is on the first four albums
I will have to relisten to this to hear the "Jazz" that Bill Ward introduces, because it sounds like straight aead rock drumming to me.

>>127332134 (OP)
A National Acrobat mogs every track that follows. Metallica cover brought it to a new generation even though their version sucks

>>127332134 (OP)
>drummer uses fills
>room temp iq metal fans call it "jazz"

>>127332134 (OP)
did we listen to the same album

This album contains the based ozzy synth
https://youtu.be/yWAzKaqJzj4
You have to remember also Iommi was a member of Jethro Tull

>>127333071
>Iommi was a member of Jethro Tull
holy shit I didn't know this
had the Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus DVD
looked it up on youtube and i'll be damned

>>127332352
Metal got so stupid after Sabbath. It all went downhill when the rhythm sections went to shit. Now it's just insane guitar break beat tribal conniptions. Future metal will just be drilling yourself in the temple.

>>127332210
>The REAL Jazz is on the first four albums
Literally fucking where? Why do metaltards say black sabbath were in ANY way jazz-influenced? Because rat salad has a drum solo?

>>127332134 (OP)
Holy fucking filtered

>>127332134 (OP)
true metal was ALWAYS genre-breaking. you stupid faggot.

>>127333441
It's because Ward doesn't just pound the drums like a barbarian and blastbeat he does little textural cymbal crashes and fills. This is "jazz" if your whole diet is hard rock and heavy metal. Plus his influences is a big list of big band drummers but that was everyone back then.

>>127333893
Sabbath was the only "metal" band that could swing like a big band. All thanks to Ward and Geez.

>>127332134 (OP)
>jazz
wtf are you talking about retard

>>127332352
I've seen retard metalheads use this argument before many times, but NEVER for a Sabbath album. What the absolute fuck is the world coming to.

>>127333441
For me, it's the occasional modal and chromatic solos by Iommi.

>>127332134 (OP)
As a jazzfag, I promise you we have never heard of this album, let alone have it in our overpriced record collections. You are getting mad at the wrong demographic.

>>127333441
Maybe he's confusing blues with jazz

>>127333441
Listen to Tony's leads, on some of the songs, particularly Warning, as the most blatant example.
Now, imagine it being played on a trumpet instead. of a distorted electric guitar.

And if you're too stupid to do that....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfqYBrCjg5Q&list=RDyfqYBrCjg5Q&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFzGc9tfMAM&list=RDjFzGc9tfMAM&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk4UBFHfops&list=PLbWrTzQOpmmQ-P8TiTqaiguCXBgQUJd1e

>>127335492
>blues rock equals jazz

>>127335492
Warning isn't even a Sabbath song lmao, it's a cover by a blues rock band

Why was hard rock and metal fans horrified by Van Halen releasing Jump when Black Sabbath had already put out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnT_DIt6DUo over a decade earlier and has no guitar?

>>127335684
probably because jump was a massive hit and was everywhere and who are you is a filler track from a lesser known ozzy sabbath album

>>127335684
Jump was an obvious commercial sellout and Who Are You is just a cover of a The Who song anyways

>>127335684
>70s synth = prog
>80s synth = pop
masculine insecurity

>>127333441
metalfags think a lot of blatantly and demonstrably wrong things

Did people here forget that Jazz is basically fancy Blues?

>>127335869
Jazz is not music, it is antimusic

>>127335878
All music is antimusic except metal.

Metalheads will get ultra autistic about their own infinite subgenres but can't tell the difference between blues and jazz lmao

>>127335945
very metalfag dunning-kruger thing to say

>>127332134 (OP)
holy FILTERED

>>127335492
Never listen to sabbath before. Just listened to The Warning. I detect zero jazz influence. Great song, though.
Do you actually listen to jazz?

>>127333441
this sounds pretty jazzy to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9_sGE54wo4

>>127332134 (OP)
>consistently inconsistent
Bill was able to ad lib all over the place and still keep time - it's what made Bill Bill and what made Black Sabbath Black Sabbath

>>127335945
this but classical and indigenuous folk

>>127336384
then you're retarded

>>127333280
in english, doc?

>>127335855
why do newfags take every post here so seriously

>>127336035
Bill Ward is not a blues drummer. He's never played a blues shuffle in his entire life.

>>127340720
He's a blues rock drummer, which, yes, is very different than being a blues drummer, but it's even more different than being a jazz drummer.

>>127335492
>jazz covers of sabbath exist
>therefore sabbath songs have jazz
Did this argument sound smart in your head. That band is fucking boring by the way.

Sabbath Cadabra is Iommi's best ever riff

>>127341366
I agree. But it's my favorite Sabbath song to begin with

I wish I could enjoy 70s Sabbath, but I just can't get into it. I don't dislike it or anything, and there's some cool stuff here and there, but most of the time it does nothing for me.

>>127341366
No. Rusty Angels is.

martinfags are delusional

>>127332134 (OP)
Well you see buddy, jazz is about the notes you don't play.

>>127342324
Crazy how one sarcastic Simpsons joke mind-raped an entire generation. No wonder all propaganda is migrating to entertainment.

>>127335492
>indulging in hypotheticals

>>127340676
it doesnt come from posts on the internet you braindead zoomer scumbag, it comes from knowing and dealing with metalheads for decades. theyre all like this, pigeonholed in their metal echo chambers while lashing out at every other form of music on the planet as “gay” while listening to rob halford sing about crusing for cock on fire island

>>127342745
that statement is famously attributed to Miles Davis. I’m not even a jazzfag and I know that.

>>127342841
He was talking about basslines retard, not an entire genre