Roussel edition
https://youtu.be/pHw_1---g0Y
This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.
>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen
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>>127354105 (OP)I'm only familiar with Roussel's symphonies. He got anything else good and worth checking out?
>>127354127link in OP is Padmavati which i recommend. IMO one of the best works in that Orientalist fin de siecle style.
>>127354092>I didn't like novel's opening sentence so I skipped the whole thing altogetherThat is absolutely embarrassing and I feel sorry for you
>>127354163>Call me Ishmael.into the trash it goes!
>>127354105 (OP)>Vocals startInto the the trash it goes
![71OmXGuERDL._SL1049_[1]](/thumb/mu/1754861275222694.jpg)
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start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 27 in E Minor, Op. 90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I168Lxpwvpw&list=OLAK5uy_mT1AHes8XjNkdxoMZyr9C3UmXMC1qix6Q&index=2
start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 28 in A Major, Op. 101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G4iLwFX3i8&list=OLAK5uy_mT1AHes8XjNkdxoMZyr9C3UmXMC1qix6Q&index=4
start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 29 in B-Flat Major, Op. 106 "Hammerklavier"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RYJGPqjV9I&list=OLAK5uy_mT1AHes8XjNkdxoMZyr9C3UmXMC1qix6Q&index=8
start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 30 in E Major, Op. 109
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq-zFVpPBzM&list=OLAK5uy_mT1AHes8XjNkdxoMZyr9C3UmXMC1qix6Q&index=12
start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 31 in A-Flat Major, Op. 110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCEW6xVf_3g&list=OLAK5uy_mT1AHes8XjNkdxoMZyr9C3UmXMC1qix6Q&index=15
Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 32 in C Minor, Op. 111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GINy9vBSNmY&list=OLAK5uy_mT1AHes8XjNkdxoMZyr9C3UmXMC1qix6Q&index=17
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mT1AHes8XjNkdxoMZyr9C3UmXMC1qix6Q
Huh, my memory was off, I would not have recalled or thought Kempff has a 8:49 Hammerklavier first movement.
>>127354105 (OP)>Western (European)slavophiles on life support rn
>>127354236I can understand and sympathize with those you don't enjoy fully vocal works, like opera and sacred choral music, but those who can't even enjoy the final movement of Beethoven's 9th or the vocal movements of Mahler's symphonies... they got something wrong with them and their soul and ears.
>>127354313Operas are shit. Songs doubly so. Oratorios, cantatas, masses and madrigals are wonderful. Anyone stating otherwise is posturing and lying.
there's so many Beethoven piano concerto sets it exceeds daunting into dizzying and almost nauseating
I'm settling on Perahia/Haitink
>In 1935 The New York Philharmonic surveyed the preferences of music listeners around the United States. When asked who their favourite composer was, Sibelius came first among all of them, living or dead.
I had no idea Sibelius used to be so popular in America. I wonder where he'd rank if the survey was taken today.
>>127354338claiming people are lying about things like this just exposes you as a very cognitively limited person who can't model other people's tastes. in any case, oratorios are often hardly distinguishable from operas.
>>127354385ok posturing liar
>>127354385>in any case, oratorios are often hardly distinguishable from operas.It is when it's choral singing vs. operatic singing. Some oratorio works and performances have operatic singing, true, but most don't.
>>127354385God you sound like a faggot
>>127354443what tipped you off, the fact that he "likes" operas
>>127354391it's extremely rare to see an oratorio with no soloists.
>>127354443I mean they're right. And don't be so rude.
>>127354457You're wrong. And rude.
>>127354468People who resort to accusing others of faking their tastes without any evidence or reasoning because they themselves don't enjoy the thing are, in fact, dumb and cringe. Especially in this scenario: opera's historical popularity and industry suggests people obviously like it, and who the fuck would pretend and fake anything here in this anonymous, trivial, scarcely-populated general? The proper default position is to take people at their word here, excepting if you think they're trolling, obviously.
Just listened to the first movement of Beethoven's first piano concerto after many years of not hearing it and while it sounded nice, I immediately wouldn't be able to recall any of the themes or melodies. My fault or the piece's? Who knows.
>>127354547Why should anyone be at fault? What's the crime? Who's the victim?
>>127354564It's a question of quality of the piece vs. the attentiveness of the listener; is the fact I can't recall any of the themes indicative of unmemorable, generic melodies and undistinguished, mushy structure, or the fact I wasn't paying enough attention.
Just super saiyan'
>>127354564It's a victimless crime
>>127354579have you considered that maybe it has more to do with your not having listened to the work in many years
There's a Mozart concerto that goes
Daaaah(Dah dah dah dah)
Daaaah(Dah dah dah dah)
Daaaah(Dah dah dah dah)
Daaaah(Duh duh deedle diddle de-----duh)
>>127354628True. Hence my indirect asking -- this is usually the part where someone replies either with "it has great themes, actually pay attention next time" or "nah you're right, it's pretty forgettable, which is why most people skip it" for the 3rd, 4th, and 5th, and some people don't even do the 3rd or 4th!
>>127354650oh yeah. not just a conerto in fact
>>127354656it has great themes, actually pay attention next time
>>127354656nah you're right, it's pretty forgettable, which is why most people skip it
>>127354701damn i knew it
>>127354696can you show me?
>>127354715>most people skip it
>>127354737Look up the history of this general and you'll see just about every post involving someone asking about Beethoven's piano concertos gets replies suggesting they skip the first two, if not three. Then there's the amount of performers who only performed and recorded the 4th and 5th, for example.
>>127354253That was added by a slavophile. Western implies all European, not just West European, this is a common misconception.
>>127354914He is right. If you want a proof, take 50 random Beethoven concerto recordings, see how many are 4, 5 compared to the rest. Furthermore, use google trends "Beethoven Piano Concerto no.1" etc.
do you people really not like Opera? for me they were pretty accessible when i first started listening to Classical Music.
>>127354938It being the least popular does not mean that most people skip it. It only means that the rest are more popular. Do you understand the difference?
>>127354944Yes. I've put a great deal of effort to get into opera (everything else was a piece of cake in comparison). I guess I can say I like few operas, especially overtures and certain bits, but never in their entirety. If I ever listen to and enjoy an entire opera, I'll proudly announce it here on /classical/. But that day may never come.
>>127354967>It being the least popular does not mean that most people skip it. It actually does. It's funny that you assume everyone listens to every single note Beethoven ever wrote. People don't listen to everything unless they really love the composer, so not even hardcore classical fans in this general do that.
Parsifal is the greatest piece of art ever created
>>127355011that's a very roundabout way of saying you don't like Beethoven
>>127355051Is that why I listen to Appassionata, Hammerklavier, 30, 31, 32, sonatas Bb, C#, F quartets, or 8th, 7th and 3rd symphonies almost daily? Hmm. Alrighty then. Fuck Beethoven. BEETHOVEN IS SHIT! If that's what y'wanna hear.
>>127355094*farts loudly*
>>127355098>lol fart jokeas expected from someone who can't even appreciate Beethoven
>>127355107https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpMdr9nBJc0
>>127355121Ignore the troll
>>127355084The Hammerklavier is more appreciated than loved
>>127355129>anyone who doesn't think Parsifal is the greatest work of art of all time is a trollI envy how disconnected from reality you are
>>127355151its not a meme
>>127355156Quite right, it is a boring meme.
Beethoven and Mozart are too pop for me
>>127355179It's more appreciated than loved
>>127355229you are more appreciated than loved
>>127355229...by retards.
>>127355235I wouldn't exactly say that
>>127355310Yeah I was lying about you being either of those, you're right
One of my oldest friends had a child last year and now I've got to pretend I give a shit about her 1st birthday. Music for this?
>>127355343To bad you couldn't think of it by yourself though and I had to come up with your insults for you
>>127355366How old is she?
>>127355366Why pretend? Aren't you happy for your friend? How can you call yourself his friend
All you deserve is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUEj5q43nec
>>127355405Anon please read the posts you reply to before hitting submit
>>127355473I hate kids. I'm friends with him, not his progeny.
>>127355489Sorry. How old is he?
>>12735551036. No, he's not single, sorry.
Best classical pieces to cry to?
>>127355489I also hate kids, but you're not a good friend.
>>127355527Doesn't sound that old to me
>>127355553https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0gwZxnpYNU
Paul Hindemith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHo8igW6qb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iXUeUDEWvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAAmPNV_4B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYUZccKkemo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRLf-0QWcXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOIDixKWk5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGsSeAhVMTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92tVdEKd6hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsSd6P3J_aM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttFjGOfqYgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA8BuCVBOW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW_EfiES8_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGlaCmMmTEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Yx8DCbH-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLkNM1NUkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDtEZp26AIY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2XkjhWT90Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bEs_6Y7AA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZkX9huvKw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wK7BV0su4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpgYJhpcL8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7c8SFS9Lxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEDpcdx5ppk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS--K3dPHzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx9itohCcBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6vxqnnEwiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZP7raZ9cNw
>>127355489>I hate kidsYou sound like a middle-aged white woman.
So when does Mahler 1 get started?
>>127355853>You, on stating that you hate kids, sound like the kind of person that has kidsSpeaks volumes of how you've been raised
IMG_1408
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>>127355875I was raised to be a Philistinian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOHrOegiF10
Trump should have this played at his eventual state funeral.
>>127355951Because he is the third George Washington
>>127355966he doesn't even have slave teeth in his mouth
>>127355966Who was the second one?
>>127355973Because unlike his predecessors he is deporting the slaves.
>>127356003are you going to do their job then, slave
>>127356020No sir, those Jobs can be automated.
>>127356042Do you know what Robot means in Czech?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ET32dieRxM
>>127356042You will toil until your death for the enrichment of your idle exploiters. And you will thank them all the while.
>>127355821that's a bigass violin
>>127356128Big Ass Motherfuckers
>>127356136that's a bigass violin
>>127355938Instead it will be Kid Rock.
Ives (2)
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>>127356118>He doesn't know
>>127356090https://youtu.be/Q1xR3Xidq84?si=hkNdKggXhuuz4J3R&t=66
>>127356175the slave has fallen in love with his captors
>>127356075alright, alright, alright
Händel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ZWSsw7XEM
>>127356075The redhead is just American
>>127356163Ives is shit. U.S. composers are all shit.
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JVoKDxVgVI
Objectively speaking, the baroque era is worse than the classical. That’s just fact. Music evolved. Humans made mistakes and corrected them – style improved. We can have a debate about the relative merits classical and romantic styles, but Mozart easily outweighs Vivaldi. CPE Bach is not less sophisticated than JSE Bach. Nobody thinks that. That’s just pure affectation.
It’s terrifying and disturbing how firmly entrenched that affectation is. In 2014, as in 1949, people still pretend to believe that Palestrina’s music is more pure than Schubert’s. Or put Handel’s over Verdi’s. I once watched an American choir that will remain nameless – one of the most technically proficient I’ve ever seen. Gorgeous tone, beautiful phrasing. They only sang motets. That’s as stupid as it is dishonest. Where do we get this idea that the best music ended when Bach died?
Regardless of whether you consume or participate in culture for leisure or for fulfilment – whether, in other words, you are a high-brow or low-brow person – you should be honest about what you like. It is truly frightening to think how many people are not.
sonata form can be summed up essentially as breathing in and out when you think about it.
>>127356459scherzo breathing
>>127354338operas are great
>>127354535might as well just say "I am retarded" if you think that's too long
>>127356526t. butt hurtt mutt
mass
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Bruckner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id7qyx4i7NM&list=PL-8YZf9XqJWl6o8JjE7wlZeCYOsBh9Q14&index=4
>>127356554amazing recording of the 2nd symphony
callnow
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>>127356530yeah, great piles of shit
>>127356542Nope, just pity for a Chopin worshipping Eurocuck
>>127356538When the conten is as moronic and of little consequence as
>>127354530 any length is too long.
>>127356581that post is absolutely correct in every assessment
>>127356585>t. faggot who posted >>127354530
>>127356578>Chopin worshipping EurocuckI'd tell you to take your pills but I know how healthcare is like down there.
>>127356592nope. cope harder.
>>127355821how can one teensy tiny work be so epic in tone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh2e85zZMoo
>>127356610>Euro gets cancer>has to go through bureaucratic circus tricks to get green light for treatment>dies>"at least we have free healthcare"Pic related/unrelated
08518
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>nope. cope harder.
IMG_7873
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cope
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>>127356635Nice fanfic, mutt.
>>127356658Many such cases, but not like our healthcare is much better, but don't pretend yours and the shitshow you call the EU is any better
>>127356703Meanwhile, in reality…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy#/media/File:Life_expectancy_UN_map_2023.png
>>127356752>cherrypicked stats>wikipedia as a sourcePlease stop Eurocuck, I love all of you, but you are on the verge of a civil war with brown migrants let in by (((them))) who have no respect for you culture.
>>127356703Meanwhile I'm not even a yuro
>>127356778>ignore your source and just trust in what I saywow what a cope
>>127356373So Bach is just schizo music then?
>>127356459I don't get it
poos
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Poos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHvRth9KYHY&list=OLAK5uy_n8zkVfWhEJXZob-Dw8JYjY8M21EuB6Xdc&index=2
>>127356865It’s music theory, Chud
>>127356778>>((ignoring all future posts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVGcjBB3UlM
>>127357437all truly bollocks* you mean
I've been listening to so many complete Beethoven piano sonatas sets lately, I should do a personal ranking of them.
So far the 16th might be my least favorite. It's just so stilted and awkward.
>>127357746it's alright you don't have to
>>127357750Which is your least favorite?
>>1273577633 Kurfürstensonaten WoO 47
>>127357874They don't include that in sets. Which you'd know if you listened to classical.
>>127357895It was a joke you delicate little vagina man
bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29TcWe7-LJw
now playing
start of Schumann: Waldszenen, Op. 82
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny8X7F_zJOI&list=OLAK5uy_maJu31iD9E5OO0SWZd-e5t2l1keQfKDKk&index=2
start of Schumann: Piano Sonata No. 2 in G minor, Op. 22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1wSL1w8FbU&list=OLAK5uy_maJu31iD9E5OO0SWZd-e5t2l1keQfKDKk&index=11
start of Schumann: Gesänge der Frühe, Op. 133 (1853)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skwq4N-6t7s&list=OLAK5uy_maJu31iD9E5OO0SWZd-e5t2l1keQfKDKk&index=14
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_maJu31iD9E5OO0SWZd-e5t2l1keQfKDKk
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>>127358083Why does Uchida look like she's just been told a terrible pun while in polite society in every picture of her I've ever seen.
>>127358093That's a funny description.
I always see it as a haughty look of superiority, like she exists on a higher spiritual plane.
>>127358109Iunno, there's a level of "please don't" on her face that feels more suffering than condescending
>>127358125The suffering is having to exist amongst us mere mortals.
>>127358093Post some Bach organ music
>>127358250Exactly it's all trash and sounds the same anyway
IMG_4223
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>>127358250Because I command you to
>>127358271You don’t mean that
Wagner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QjodlxRxa8
Alright…let’s try this…pretty please with a cherry on top post some Bach organ music, king
>>127358453I need to expand my repertoire. I was hoping you could help me with that.
>>127358484By asking for random Bach organ pieces? Just go here and grab random entries I guess
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organ_compositions_by_Johann_Sebastian_Bach
there now you don't have to be a cluttering, annoying bastard
>>127358505No, I meant repertoire performers.
>>127358525>>127358452Anon, I love helping people here, but you're at the point to where you should be able to find new recordings on your own.
This is THE Faure solo piano set to own
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D_Ch4wKyb8&list=OLAK5uy_kJj-xBcXIvcUvFFKkL_mQOXPeoSv1sh94&index=22
Swan Lake night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOW0ix91tuY&list=OLAK5uy_ntcc_IVbJaYLprzZHeyMCsXNpbdTzuf-o&index=19
neat cover
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>>127358547*teleports behind you*
psh... nothing personnel...kid...
>>127358603you try mine and i'll try yours and we'll rendezvous back here in a week
>>127358226>>127358337Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOP_0YRHbZo
>>127358593Hurwitz doesn’t know much about organ music. In regard to Bach’s organ music, I only recall him mentioning the Walcha and Marie-Claire Alain cycles.
>>127358614In a year and a day
>>127358658I won't be alive then. But deal.
>>127358661Do you have cancer?
Zarlino and after, R. Strauss and before.
>>127358525Simon Preston
Helmut Walcha
Peter Hurford
Michel Chapuis
Why do some people hate Colin Davis? He seems like a pretty inoffensively good conductor from what I've heard from him.
>>127359936literally who?
>>127360013He's a very famous conductor. Surely you've listened to him one of his performances without being aware of it.
>>127359936i don't see much hate for davis, just disinterest. there's simply nothing he did better than others. his commitment to berlioz is nice I guess, and his berlioz recordings are indeed good. but even in that repertoire, his specialty, he's nowhere near as exciting as someone like charles munch.
>>127360203Shut the fuck up.
>>127359936I praise him quite a bit. Though he does have some real stinkers.
the one recording by colin davis i actively dislike is his vier letzte lieder with norman. it's ridiculously slow. maybe norman requested that, i don't know.
>>127360241Don't mind the shitposter from /metal/, they hate whenever they have to read.
>>127360241If you can't sense a sad, bitter and spiteful man behind that post, you haven't been paying attention.
>>127360241If you can't sense a sad, bitter and spiteful man behind that lower case letter poster, you haven't been paying attention.
>>127360203What he loses in excitement he makes up for in sensitivity, beauty, and spiritual depth.
>>127360397you're still seething about your failure to recognize mozart from a video? lmfao.
>>127360419in what repertoire in particular?
>>127360397anon I think you might be schizophrenic
>>127360468I was specifically referring to Berlioz and comparison with Munch, but the same statement could be applied to Davis' Sibelius, Mozart, and many of his choral recordings.
>>127360487fine. he's a brilliant conductor then. you asked why some people may not like him, i gave a possible answer. me personally i'm not particularly interested in colin davis, but i have nothing against him either.
>>127360498I'm not the original anon who asked. And sorry -- I totally respect and understand the preference of Munch, and my reply was more for the original anon and whomever might be reading our posts, and not you. It's like he's so good that I think people have to like him, he's not that tier.
let's have a Strauss morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSuseJ0fB8c&list=OLAK5uy_mEjLlGm8aGFFr6v0aCDXbi7HWBVACbKww&index=1
favorite recording(s) of Beethoven's violin concerto? There's so many and I've come to discover most of them are not good.
>tfw no Schubert piano or violin concerto
hmm suspicious
now playing
start of Balakirev: Symphony No. 1 in C Major
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKk5T9-AOck&list=OLAK5uy_mz0FA57fZG2lyd_CrTw4yb1qXaT5tXG1E&index=2
Balakirev: Islamey (Arr. S.M. Lyapunov for orchestra)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegDi6W5yaA&list=OLAK5uy_mz0FA57fZG2lyd_CrTw4yb1qXaT5tXG1E&index=6
Balakirev: Tamara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yHEJrKp64M&list=OLAK5uy_mz0FA57fZG2lyd_CrTw4yb1qXaT5tXG1E&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mz0FA57fZG2lyd_CrTw4yb1qXaT5tXG1E
>>127359871I listen to all of them already.
I think I will try Suzuki’s organ works
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Mozart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVG2GuhrOc&list=OLAK5uy_mFdLwKHHF5JJPhjFi61xnVwQtJu5udXQw&index=13
can't wait until AI is good enough to where I can have it remaster Tintner's Bruckner by improving his orchestral sound through making it like it was recorded by the VPO or whomever to begin with
>>127360775Very nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcv_U2QWZE
>>127360809no mastering technique can do that.
>>127360833right, hence why I said with AI. it's as "simple" as transposing how the actual RSNO played on his recordings and applying it to a repository of other orchestras logged in the AI's dataset. I'm sure it's not an easy problem to solve, but it is straightforward
>>127360653just saw it live last friday, funnily enough
not very familiar with recordings of it though
>>127360856oooo how was it? big name performers? what else was on the program? did they play it more HIP or traditional?
>>127360862it was my small local orchestra in brazil who somehow got a violinist from new zealand (Amalia Hall) to play here
it was good overall, they're not fully HIP but aren't vibrato heavy on the strings either. unfortunately, the orchestra has had a subpar brass section for a while, which was the worst part. they played Haydn's 104 just before their beethoven and the second movement in particular was amazing.
they did Bruckner 7 two weeks ago with a conductor from Argentina and it was pretty much the same: great playing save for the brass, and she didn't fall into the trap of dragging bruckner's tempos when a movement is already written to sound slow. very flowing adagio.
so overall I'd say it was a good time.
>>127360927Very cool, anon.
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN7XzULZZP4
Solo Piano > Piano Concerto > Chamber (With Piano) > Oratorios/Cantatas/Masses/Madrigals > Cello Concerto > Violin Concerto > Tone Poems > Symphonies > Orchestral Suite > Minimalism > Baroque Pop > other types of Concertos > String Quartets/Quintets/Sextets/Octets/etc, > Ballet > Lieder > Opera
hmm should I try listening to classical on my morning walk today? can't hurt giving it a go
>>127361550you sick fuck, but yes, i do it every morning
>>127361539I appreciate the effort but symphonies below top 2 (it's really the apex but I can respect the preference of solo piano) and string ensemble below 4th is laughable. With the amount of composers who've stated something along the lines of considering their sacred choral music the height of their output, props on giving it respect
>>127361572pretty much everything above minimalism is equal, it's just very slight preferences.
>>127361572fuck, i didn't even realize, i meant to put string ensembles above minimalism.
we wuz
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continuing with the Barenboim 2005 EMI live Beethoven piano sonatas set
No. 21, Waldstein
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ssFBR8HlPQ&list=OLAK5uy_mkFeou6ujBvONbc826eosq4izXqAG1L1k&index=70
No. 22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk8hN4jRnTs&list=OLAK5uy_mkFeou6ujBvONbc826eosq4izXqAG1L1k&index=73
No. 23, Appassionata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEfJLJ-nVhw&list=OLAK5uy_mkFeou6ujBvONbc826eosq4izXqAG1L1k&index=75
No. 24, For Therese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCQ5YJ6O2fk&list=OLAK5uy_mkFeou6ujBvONbc826eosq4izXqAG1L1k&index=77
>>127357750Oh but I'd like to, free-of-charge
>>127361579>>127361590Ah. In that case, I know there is a dearth of quantity, but you don't like Stravinsky's, Tchaikovsky's, Prokofiev's, and Glazunov's ballets?
>>127361798Fantastic performance of Waldstein
kinda silly, but this line in a community review,
>The program notes are so small (small quibble), I gave up trying to read them - though what I read seemed pretty interesting
made me kek
>>127361539autism (not in the cool way)
>>127361946Ranking things is a national 4chan pastime
Is there anywhere that quickly compares the main differences between editions of Bruckner 8 without me having to listen to the entire symphony 3 times?
>>127361951so, like I said, autism.
>>127362049Yes, but with ranking things it's always the cool kind
>>127360013>literally who?man, we sure have fallen into strange times here at /classical/
This Adagio from Beethoven's String Quartet No. 7, holy shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1akfzKcEWY&list=OLAK5uy_llPBx9b0bgTfKmmLfIdZbIzGgJvdH3EcM&index=14
i'm not a fan of Opera but i like Lully's Operas for some reason
>>127361539Pretty good, except minimalism and baroque pop (wtf?). Very close to mine overall:
Keyboard (including piano) concertos > solo piano > chamber with piano > cello concerto > symphony > violin concerto > string quartet/quintets etc > orchestral suite > tone poem > other concertos > Cantatas etc. > opera > ballet > lieder > rest
>>127362607>baroque pop (wtf?)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CwPwI2maxs
>>127362632i am sure this has something to do with /classical/, thanks for trying /classical/ come again.
>>127361539A person's opinion of opera is a perfect test for the degree to which they really possess musical culture and artistic sensitivity. If they don't value opera very highly, then their love for classical music is just a sham.
>>127362673i do love Opera, but it is my least favorite, i prefer music without vocals in general, but i still like Opera.
>>127362668yer welcome. Jokes aside, while I do love baroque pop, I realise the name makes very little to no sense and one has to condescend to pop terminology to understand just what it is (something between psychedelia and bubblegum pop with some vague aesthetic referenes to the 18th century, such as clavichords for example)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNdKvgu6ZR8
>>127362680Same, though I go nuts for choral works/madrigals. Takes a very special composer to get me to enjoy songs/lieder and a particularly great one to get me interested in operas from any point of view beyond mere historical interest
>>127362685i like Scott Walker, that is really all i know from the genre.
>>127362700I'd give recs but I'm not sure anyone would enjoy veering so decidedly off-topic
For those who don’t know this, and there are many, Wagner was a huge fan of Italian opera singers, not most Germans. His favorite bass was Luigi Lablache, his favorite soprano Adelina Patti and his favorite baritone Mattia Battistini, who he once said sang Wolfram in Tannhäuser better than anyone else. Ludwig Schnorr von Carolsfeld, the ill-fated first Tristan who died young of pneumonia, was supposedly one of those rare German tenors with a bright, ringing, Italianate timbre allied to strong projection, and his death put Wagner into a panic as he had planned for him to sing Siegmund and Siegfried in his Ring cycle.
Can you guys help me identify this https://voca.ro/1nzsHf0KEvKE? Shazam is dogshit at identifying classical music. It's a famous piano piece (or a piece involving a piano) by iirc Rachmaninoff or some other Russian
>>127362845nvm i found it
https://youtu.be/2M2j9TgIN_I?t=1246
>>127362845darude sandstorm
>>127362958Boy you need to learn how to whistle
>>127362980well, it's shifted around because I didn't remember the piece properly, but the gist of it is there, I'd say
>>127362442lol anon, please...
now playing
start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kuqedQzv_E&list=OLAK5uy_nYnYmNDb9CY5DZ0ZQamz0wpTYbm3rudl8&index=8
start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 in G Major, Op. 58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gulB7DoPyw&list=OLAK5uy_nYnYmNDb9CY5DZ0ZQamz0wpTYbm3rudl8&index=11
start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 5 in E-Flat Major, Op. 73 "Emperor"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rymsNnpHzgw&list=OLAK5uy_nYnYmNDb9CY5DZ0ZQamz0wpTYbm3rudl8&index=13
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nYnYmNDb9CY5DZ0ZQamz0wpTYbm3rudl8
I'm surprised by how much I'm enjoying this set. There's nothing particularly special about the performances from an overhead view, they just go down really smooth, very easy listening.
Where can I read more about Kubelik's musical opinions? I'm assuming the post yesterday about Schumann's symphonies was a quote from Kubelik.
>>127363316>I'm assuming the post yesterday about Schumann's symphonies was a quote from Kubelik.Anon, I...
It IS a review posted on the Kubelik/BPO Schumann cycle, however.
What do you guys think about Mozart's middle piano concertos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dvOs-N2Nzg&list=OLAK5uy_neIuG-bsV3WQ4bcauiD_QIXEVM8SXK1mA&index=10
Worth listening to? Or not until you get up to 17/19/20?
>be me, throwing a party
>have a cycle of Beethoven's string quartets playing in the background
>everything going well
>Grosse Fuge comes on
>everyone stops
>mood ruined
>everyone goes home
damn...
>>127363559more like ew gross fugue amirite
>>127363589It ruined my chances of getting a Grosse Fug that night if you know what I mean
>>127355821Hindemith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPgmUji_bBM
damn this is good, really good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_xLJKngDIQ&list=OLAK5uy_l6YHXvAXdHoZpSzaTn1dEmrDGmModtJpA&index=2
>>127363780In general Wand's Cologne recordings are far superior to his later recordings because he still had energy in those years
The 6th in that set is a favorite.
>>127363789Noted, thank you. Also I tried asking in the last thread but got no replies -- you wouldn't happen to have the Lubeck 8th and 9th in digital files you'd be willing to upload and share, would you?
>>127363803I do not. I'm generally not a fan of his Bruckner from that period.
>>127363847Oh really? I thought it was near unanimous that's his magnum opus performance of the 8th and 9th. I guess I was mistaken. In that case, I don't feel so bad about listening to the other Wand 8ths and 9ths that are available to me (RCA/NDR, Profil/Muncher, RCA/BPO).
>>127363868His best 9th is the one on Profil with the NDR imo
Sound quality isn't that great though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BXz6Vs6aGc&list=OLAK5uy_mtHw-Cc-CexzYX64u0Vh8m0cwbjm07_B0&index=2
why do people here shit so hard and violently on Abbado's Mahler
>>127363884I saw that one. Added for next time, thanks.
>>127363888In a word, because they're 'basic.' I think they're pretty good though. I don't think I'd rank any as a favorite (maaaybe the Chicago 7th), but if I were stuck on a desert island only with a mix of his Chicago and Berlin Mahler, I'd still be quite happy.
>>127363888usually too caught up in pointless micro detail and 'balance' that he misses the big picture and moments
depends tho
Awful bargain bin album cover
I don't know who that is either-I think it's Michael York but not I'm sure why the narrator of one the tracks deserves top billing
>>127363913>Chicago 7ththat's my favourite 7th actually, and my fav 5th and 9th are also Abbado with the Berliner. Every time I've mentioned this at least three people start foaming at the mouth
>>127363940what magazine is that
Jewbert 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdzjpPt-P00&list=RDAdzjpPt-P00&start_radio=1&ab_channel=BartjeBartmans
>>127363433Sounds exactly the same as all his other works
>>127363942>Every time I've mentioned this at least three people start foaming at the mouthThe real reason is because it's the most common cycle everyone starts with, so it's kind of a reaction of "you're overrating it because it's the only one you've heard," y'know?
With that said, there does seem to be an emotional one-dimensionality. Compare that Berlin 9th to Chailly's 9th or Karajan's 9th, for example. With Abbado's, there a very clear emotional theme and color he's aiming toward: death. Chailly's and Karajan's, on the other hand, have that too, but theirs contain the universe.
But again, if I wanted to listen to the 9th right now and picked one at random and Abbado's came up, I'd be happy.
what is the saddest piece of classical music you know?
>>127364058https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAZ8PA5_gVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpKab6GRBIg
>>127364058Allan Pettersson's symphonies
morose city!
>>127363998I have, in my defense, listened to a bunch of cycles, and Karajan's was the one I started with, actually. I don't know, I just like the Abbado recordings better.
Moehler
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Mahler
Mahler
Mahler
Mahler...
>>127364099Funnily enough, Abbado's 5th and 6th have more dimensionality than Karajan's lol -- Karajan's is pure aesthete, chromium indulgence.
>I just like the Abbado recordings better.Perfectly fine choice. All I'd recommend is to keep listening to new and unfamiliar recordings every so often.
>>127364098>Allan Pettersson's symphoniesbest recordings?
>>127364058Tristan und Isolde
>>127364113What is it, anon?
>>127364189Wagner's a pretty depressing ordeal, yeah
>>127364179They were too dark for me, so idk
Hough!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlPeIulDnOY&list=OLAK5uy_nVIvknTjut6n8KPwVVMHD5MF7BsJ9rn40&index=18
Why is classical so gay?
>inb4 it isn't
It is
Kinda funny how Paganini's virtuosity was aided in part by an issue with his hands (ehlers danlos syndrome) that allowed him greater finger flexibility than would be normal
>>127364434I thought it was Marphans syndrome
>>127364478It's debated but it seems most Drs believe it was Ehlers Danlos
Why is classical so jewish?
>inb4 it isn't
It is
>>127364398it isn't.
if you think it is, it's probably the lack of percussion
>>127364058though it has moments of joy and ends in major, I'd probably overall pick Bruckner's 8th's adagio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kFqR7QApRg?si=1lmzYTjfviaESEoA
either that or the final fugue from Sorabji's sequentia cyclica
>>127364586He was in Austin Powers
>>127364554Did you not read the inb4?
>>127364675I ignore inb4s if they are retarded
>>127364058Rachmaninoff's 2nd concerto will make you depressed if you weren't, and will cure your depression at the end of the 3rd movement.
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