Thread 127364979

Vaughan Williams edition
https://youtu.be/pLmoEqWR8xY

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>127354105

>>127364979 (OP)
>Western (European)
slavophiles on life support

Alan Hovhaness * Artik - Concerto per corno ed orchestra d'archi op. 78

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDvA-GbjxnE&list=RD07i1q9rBXNs&index=2&ab_channel=ArmoniaRecondita
+
Kayagum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07i1q9rBXNs&list=RD07i1q9rBXNs&index=1&ab_channel=SergioC%C3%A1novas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o42phA-Y0vU
is this meant to be a joke
do people take this shit seriously

>>127364544
I actually have an answer for this but I'm not going to give it to not upset anyone

>>127365043
no one cares

>>127365051
I care and so do you

>>127365059
no you don't

>>127365042
>8 and a half hours of Sorabji

Most dissappointing composers?

For me it's either
Scriabin or Chopin

>>127365088
your favourite composer

>>127365097
Which is?

>>127365112
You tell me

most disappointing cumposers?

for me it's your mom, HAHA

>>127365161
who poses cum? ANd how

Is this all this thread is? Just straight nonsense? When are we getting serious?

>>127365201
ballons!

Fantasy on Japanese Woodprints

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqDRT-a4ISE&list=RDYqDRT-a4ISE&start_radio=1&ab_channel=GeorgeN.Gianopoulos%2Ccomposer

>>127364998
Russians are better composers than the English or Swedes.

>>127365370
ok Ivan

>>127365370
t. romanticuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K61TDNnLyxQ

>>127365370
OP has banned Russian composers as a retaliation against their illegal invasion of Ukraine

>>127365431
are invasions ever not illegal?

>>127365442
british invasion

>>>/romantic/
this is /classical/

>>127365388
Name a great English composer
>Handel?
German
>Purcell?
>plagiarized a frog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK6k0oF8OHM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0xFy-6prV0
> Vaughan Williams
Welsh
> Benjamin Britten
Breton

That leaves only William Byrd and Edward Elgar. Certainly the Russians have produced more than two first rate composers.

>>127365557
ok Dmitri

>>127365557
me

Why is classical so gay?

>>127365596
ok saar

I spent a wee bit of my afternoon at a bench on a tiny park under the sun and got to pet two (count 'em: two) dogs today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nDzV5PX6Ho

Name a great Russian composer
>Rachmaninov?
>Died 28 March 1943 (aged 69) Beverly Hills, California, U.S.
not russian
>Dvorak?
Czech
>Prokofiev?
Ukrainian
>Tchaikovsky
>His father's side had Ukrainian roots, tracing back to Ukrainian Cossacks, and his mother had French and Austrian ancestors, also he was gay.
not russian
that leaves only Shostakovich

>>127365607
why are you gay?

>>127365648
>Shostakovich

>>127365557
Anglo-Saxons consider the time spent on music to be a distraction from their passion of shopkeeping.

>>127365648
>Ukrainian
Ukraine was part of Russia at the time, sister

>>127365690
how can you not tell that it's a shitpost?

>>127365690
Wales and is a part of the U.K. to this very day, and Suffolk is very much England

>>127365707
Welsh aren’t Anglo-Saxons, but Ukrainians are Russians.

>>127365557
Bax

>>127365648
Scriabin.

>>127365686
Anglo-Saxons became extinct in the 11th century
>>127365697
A shitpost for a shitpost
>>127365716
Ukrainians are tatars.

>>127365648
Rimsky-Korsakov
Scriabin
Medtner
Borodin
Myaskovsky
Stravinsky

>>127365716
Are mongolians also russians? Turks? Georgians? What is a russian?
>>127365735
Not russian, because (insert excuse)

>>127365735
>Medtner
German.

>>127364979 (OP)
But man I ain't ever going to see the Antarctic anyway

>>127365756
Not with that attitude

This is probably one of my favorite songs to play. It is simple and beautiful

Satie's Gymnopédie No.1: https://youtu.be/S-Xm7s9eGxU

>>127365686
Napoleon?

name ONE good Composer from Antarctica
Protip: you can't

>>127365042
easily in the top 10 greatest musical works ever

>>127365735
All shit

I always assume that whoever likes Russian Romanticism also likes anime and video game music

>>127365785
Scriabin

>>127365806
Not that there's anything wrong with that

>>127365042
>indian AND gay
this is where i draw the line

>>127365769
I can't find a plug for my keyboard so I've stopped learning the piano

>>127365833
you piece of shit

>>127365734
> Anglo-Saxons became extinct in the 11th century
Shalom Saar

best Nordic composers?

>>127365557
>>127365735
Bull
Dowland
Tallis
Gibbons
Holborn
Purcell (the other one)
Blow
Litolff
Alvars
Parry
Bax
Bridge
Holst
Tippett
Ireland
Brian

>>127365856
Greeg

>>127365863
>The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.

>>127365824
there is everything wrong with that

>>127365886
based but the average 4channer will disagree because they indeed have no qualities of their own to be proud of

>>127365847
Full on schizo response as expected from a mutt
>>127365856
Honestly yea, Grieg, but Bull, Sinding, Nielsen, Svendsen, Gade, Valen, and a number of works by Langgaard are also great

>Bull
more like BullSHIT amirite?
>Dowland
more like Downsyndrome amirite?
>Tallis
more like Phallis amirite?

Purcell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDvoI1LzRCA

>>127365886
Cool but how's that related to the ongoing argument that there are no great english composers

>>127364979 (OP)
I like this kind of music. It actually sounds like a journey to the Antarctic

>>127365897
>Honestly yea, Grieg, but Bull, Sinding, Nielsen, Svendsen, Gade, Valen, and a number of works by Langgaard are also great
ugh that's too much, i stopped reading after grieg

>>127365903
>It actually sounds like a journey to the Antarctic
Boy all you'd hear is the cold wind blowing in your dang ears, what are you talking about

>>127365912
Get better soon

>>127365916
you are me, i don't care what you have to say.

>>127365901
It wasn’t an argument; it was a test you failed.

>>127365924
What are you talking about?

>>127365924
>you are me
I am the walrus

schizo edition

>>127365932
Cool who asked and who cares though
>>127365940
That's every edition, sonny boy

>>127365557
You bloody bitch bastard take it back you insult us Indians

i LOVE german classical and i LOVE jerking off to anime girls.

Paul Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHo8igW6qb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iXUeUDEWvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAAmPNV_4B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYUZccKkemo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRLf-0QWcXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOIDixKWk5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGsSeAhVMTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92tVdEKd6hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsSd6P3J_aM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttFjGOfqYgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA8BuCVBOW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW_EfiES8_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGlaCmMmTEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Yx8DCbH-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLkNM1NUkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDtEZp26AIY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2XkjhWT90Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bEs_6Y7AA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZkX9huvKw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wK7BV0su4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpgYJhpcL8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7c8SFS9Lxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEDpcdx5ppk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS--K3dPHzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx9itohCcBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6vxqnnEwiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZP7raZ9cNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3LbnolRwik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ldG_sp5Be4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROdNmZXPQhw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p3NQ1_wvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPgmUji_bBM

any classical to make the voices stop?

>>127366012
the sound of a gun discharging inside of your mouth

>>127366031
uhh, that is not classical, thanks anyway.

>>127365622
wholesome :)

>>127366033
It is if the weapon is old enough. Use a musket or something.

>>127365863
I'll have to check some of these out that I'm not familiar with.

>>127366002
Pork Hindemith

>>127366056
Can't go wrong with renaissance english composers

>>127366012
>>127366031
>>127366048
No Saar! Do not redeem!

>>127366012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIr80jws-YQ

>>127366044
These have been sad, dark and trying times, so I try to relish and treasure every little good thing that happens to me.

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHfzWC5IIk4

>>127366089
Don't reply to my posts

>>127366093
The voices never stop in Bach

>>127366062
Pigdemith

>>127366118
No Saar! The voices are your own, Saar. Do not redeem, but learn to integrate them.

>>127366136
kill yourself today

>>127366146
No,Saar.

>>127366093
This is just a rip off of his prelude in cmajor from Wtc 1, played on a more irritating instrument

>>127366183
cello is the best instrument

>>127366212
viola*

now playing

start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 11 in A Major, K. 331, "Alla Turca"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neSXUUKafkk&list=OLAK5uy_mcFA6ifiqdlOhtt3tOGVHSMVEvXHcdnbA&index=2

start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 9 in A Minor, K. 310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEUpDhmk6Dc&list=OLAK5uy_mcFA6ifiqdlOhtt3tOGVHSMVEvXHcdnbA&index=5

start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 10 in C Major, K. 330
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iruFLfiAXBM&list=OLAK5uy_mcFA6ifiqdlOhtt3tOGVHSMVEvXHcdnbA&index=8

start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 16 in C Major, K. 545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OgpTK2UwwU&list=OLAK5uy_mcFA6ifiqdlOhtt3tOGVHSMVEvXHcdnbA&index=10

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mcFA6ifiqdlOhtt3tOGVHSMVEvXHcdnbA

warning: slightly idiosyncratic performances with a humming pianist

>>127366012
try this set

>>127366002
he's doing the anime face

>>127366289
>warning: slightly idiosyncratic performances with a humming pianist
I'm afraid that's a dealbreaker. I'll stick to Glen Gould

>>127366289
>slightly idiosyncratic performances with a humming pianist
wtf that's not gould he can't be doing that

>>127366339
It might not be Gould, but...

>>127366289
The bumblebee intermittently terrorizing the studio mic aside, this is fantastic.

>>127366357
>good as gould
so, shit

>>127366451
the pun is Good as Gold, anon

>>127366458
I know. What made you think I didn't? Are you autistic?

>>127364979 (OP)
rank each era of classical music:
early medieval
later medieval
renaissance
early baroque
later baroque
classical
early romantic
later romantic
impressionist/modernist
contemporary

>>127366525
what if I don't

>>127366458
As Gould as Gold

>>127366525
1.) late romantic
2.) late baroque
3.) early romantic
4.) classical
5.) renaissance
6.) impressionist
7.) contemporary
8.) early baroque
9.) later medieval
10.) early medieval

>>127366995
>contempo anywhere but at the bottom
NGMI

>>127367004
I ranked contemporary higher because it has a very wide variety. anything from Rautavaara's 8th to literal shit on a canvas is contemporary.

>>127367060
>Rautavaara
Statement stands

>>127367080
what's wrong with Rautavaara?

>>127367150
his music, mostly

>>127366289
Tempo is wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OWOqkUTjbE

>>127367179
o_o

>>127367212
>>>/reddit/

>>127367230
:p

>>127367230
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx_IibJH4rA

>>127367250
I didn't ask for this. Keep it to yourself.

>>127367205
if someone could kidnap Wim Winters and torture him with a car battery in a basement for several weeks before brutally killing him in the most painful and drawn out way possible that would be great.

>>127366525
no, thanks. I'm not autistic

>>127367205
I did say idiosyncratic! Oh wait you're meme-ing Wim Winters, nvm

Seriously though, it's a great cycle. Be curious to see what the Maho-Mozart-loving anon thinks about it.

>>127367382
>answering basic questions is now autistic

lmao at the absolute state of normgroids who would be chewing on sticks and banging rocks together if it weren't for autists in STEM.

>>127367347
finally a reasonable reaction to Wim Winters

Imagine Sorpajeet played at Whim Whineders tempos

>>127367428
I'm too busy imagining myself drowning Winters with my own bare hands. (in minecraft of course.)

Julian Gorus has one of the Liszt Annees de pelerinage, but why is the Vallée d'Obermann on it only 4:04 when it's usually at least 10+ minutes longer on every other recording? Bizarre. I guess because the recording still manages to be just under 3 hours so they had to cut something to fit it on 3 CDs, but that seems like such an odd choice -- is there an official shorter version?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8P14vHsmZc&list=OLAK5uy_nME_XVXqjIaMmiSFZg9v3dwt3NurbhOgg&index=6

anyway, top 3 annees de pelerinage recording for me; essential in every Liszt fan's collection

>>127367489
>cuts a number in half
>top 3 for sure
hmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>127367489
>Julian Gorus has one of the Liszt Annees de pelerinage
has one of the best*, whoops

>>127367502
?

>>127367502
It's really more like into a fourth! And yes, that's how good the rest is.

>>127367518
They're saying any recording with an abridged version of one of the most popular pieces can't be one of the best recordings, which is a fair point I wouldn't blame anyone for holding against a cycle.

>>127367528
I mean can you imagine considering one of those recordings of Beethoven's ninth that reduce the adagio to a 9 minute affair to be top 3, especially considering the dazzling number of recordings out there?

>>127367528
oh fair enough I thought he was doing some math joke

>>127367544
It's totally fair.
>Behold my perfect Chopin set -- sadly due to media constraints, we only feature a 3 minute version of the 4th Ballade

Would you laugh at me if I said I only just now noticed it because when I listen to Liszt's Annees, I usually space in and out over the course of the 3 hours? It's just so weird, I've never seen this before.

>>127367563
>It's totally fair.
nah

>>127367574
Totally fair to dock it, I mean.

>>127367579
Imagine leaving out the final act of an opera due to media constraints

Mahler 7 night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HNO5w5H4cA&list=OLAK5uy_k5lUdp2viYPTqz5PetxQ4fPmsJxXFIwyY&index=1

>>127367596
Alright just listened to it: at least the 4:04 is the best part lol

>friend I made recently at uni invites me to a "sesh" at his flat
>just gonna be a bunch of people aat around doing ket smoking weed while listening to music and chatting
>about an hour in, have never done hard drugs before but I snorted some ket off my friends car key and feeling a bit weird
>we're all sat around the living room just listening to a bluetooth speaker and chilling
>some girl asks me what kind of music I listen to
>tell her I like all kinds of music really but I was recently really moved by a piece called "Grosse Fugue"
>everyone asks me to put it on
>go to my friends mac and type it in on youtube and start playing it through the bluetooth speaker
>go and sit back down
>friend lights up a joint and we start passing it around
>start feeling quite proud that I introduced everyone to this album
>look at the girl who asked me what I listen to and give her a smile
>THE MOMENT I DO THIS this guy just bursts out laughing and shouts "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS"
>literally everyone starts laughing including the girl
>they're literally in tears and laughing at me
>someone gets up and turns it off
>don't know how to react so try laughing along with them
>the guy who originally shouted tells me "shut the fuck up why are you laughing?"
>everyone starts roasting me, the outfit I'm wearing and my posture etc
>everyone is laughing
>feel extremely embarrassed and leave
>friend hasn't contacted me back and it's been like 2 weeks and I've left loads of messages

What's going on? I get that maybe it wasn't to their taste but are they retarded?
It's one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard I don't understand why it would be something to laugh at

Are normies just too dumb to understand this piece? They have to resort to bullying when faced with something that challenges their worldview?

>>127367676
guy let me be so real with you I'm not gonna read all that shit

>>127367676
Hope you learned your lesson

>127367676

shit bait

>>127367676
damn you really had to one up my make believe story >>127363559

>>127367716
more like gross fugue amirite lmao

>>127367721
haha

I get it's a live cycle that was originally released on DVD, but did they have to keep the uproarious applause at the end of every piano sonata? come on! just takes me right out of it

>>127367771
I hate live recordings for that reason, not to mention the coofers and sneezoids

>>127367706
Never pay for Ketamine was the moral of the story

>>127367676
Reminds me when I was at a High School kickback and someone asked me to name my favorite films, knowing I was into arthouse and older films, and while at the time I thought I was being cool naming a list which included Godard and Tarkovsky, in hindsight I recognize they were making fun of me and the fact I was naming movies with foreign language names.

>>127367695
yeah same

>>127367833
Also, those are some pretty entry-level directors. What next, Bergman and Kurosawa?

>>127367851
Bergman's Persona was #2 on the list, actually. and I was 17 at the time, gimme a break

>>127367861
>I was 17
what took you

>>127367867
I don't get it

>>127367873
shouldn't surprised & yet

>>127367886
whoops I accidentally a word

>>127367900
>>127367886
>>127367867
Get help

>>127367911
Get taste

>>127367916
Don't really care about film anymore. I should get back into it.

But hating on Godard and Bergman is almost like hating on Schumann and Mendelssohn.

>>127367930
You should try Koyanisqaatsi

>>127367930
Declaring them to be entry level and basic is not at all hating. I am hating you, though. You're shit.

>>127367945
I looked that up and it give me a virus. Nah, kidding, thanks.

>>127367947
Ok. anyway, back to /classical/

>>127367955
>I looked that up and it give me a virus. Nah, kidding, thanks.

>>127367347
>>127367406
I find the way Wim plays to be quite calming.

>>127367833
Why are Russians (and other easterners like Japanese & Jews) so good at making films?

>>127368250
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try posting on >>>/tv/ instead?

BAB
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>DAILY REMINDER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1

>>127368157
I will find you and I will kill you.

>>127368286
Howdy, zisterposter

>>127368157
The word you're looking for is sedated. You can achieve similar results taking benzodiazepines

>>127368339
>REMINDER
of what
>>127368250
less affected by the abrahamic disease

>>127368339
Ives is trash, as is the entirety of the united states and its cultural products

Vivaldi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0_oNmTv6dU

>>127368421
Hovhaness is good though.

>>127368453
good for nothing

>>127368469
why do you hate America?

>>127368392
>taking benzodiazepines
which, I'm pretty sure, is what Winters does
>>127368453
Good for a laugh, maybe

>>127368475
It's trash. Can't you read?

>>127368481
>Good for a laugh, maybe

t. filtered pleb.

>>127368497
Don't reply to my posts.

>>127368421
>t.butthurt eurocuck

>>127368715
Where does one start with Ives?

>>127368804
Like no one in the world knows who Ives is except Americans

>>127368804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkaOz48cq2g&list=RDkkaOz48cq2g&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td_aGvcU5lM&list=RDtd_aGvcU5lM&start_radio=1

I would start with these 3, then branch out in the more avant garde space like the Holidays symphonies, three places and Symphony no 4, and hit the chamber works after that like the String Quartets and Violin Sonatas.

What to listen to go to sleep tonight... maybe Bach's Partitas or French Suites.

>>127368962
good night all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN3-LVjXNq4&list=OLAK5uy_mew7jhNlDEffD-0ESex9d6Cp87Y1XmYfk&index=7

this general has completely deteriorated into /b/ with a classical theme (no pun intended)

>>127368715
>I am the one who knocks

>>127369023
You're Godamn right

>>127365370
Russians are better than anyone else though? This isn't even up for a debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuEU8JRS4YE&list=OLAK5uy_mfMC9YF8eRXxOjZxlHLZh-aETZQRY3rJk&index=1

>>127368866
Noise, noise, noise.
Dissonance. Ives’ works sounded like the type of composition that an insurance salesperson would create.
Harmony is necessary for music; no harmony, no music.

>>127365806
I like some anime, dislike most of it. And I despise any non-classical music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GENhon_xNgo

>>127365806
I like some anime, dislike most of it. And I despise any non-classical music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nvj3d5jpa4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GENhon_xNgo

>>127369122
Nice recording

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0AYwcmljWo&list=OLAK5uy_n1ZZTF2AIcbdGHacrWILnZA98-yHUdX7A&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1ZZTF2AIcbdGHacrWILnZA98-yHUdX7A

The best recording of Scriabin's complete Poemes? Most lkely.

>>127369304
Shame about the lack of balanace between piano and orchestra, probably an issue with engineering, but pianism is as good as it gets. Rachmaninoff didn't praise Horowitz for nothing (or Hofmann for that matter). What's your favorite?

>>127369358
I don’t have one; I rarely listen to Rachmaninoff.

>>127368715
>>t.butthurt eurocuck
>>127369124
>Harmony is necessary for music; no harmony, no music.
>>127369226
>I despise any non-classical music.
Y'all there's this new craze going around that you should try today, it's called suicide

>>127369531
sorry, forgot to include this cringelord
>>127369122
>This isn't even up for a debate.

>>127369531
>>127369539
thank you lowbrow sister

>>127369331
why is the cover analogue horror

Zarlino and after, R. Strauss and before.

>>127367676
it's your fault for trying to interact with druggie retards & normalfaggots.

>>127369331
Scriabin’s music has bombed in the post-MeToo Era.

What is the formal name for the type of numbers that Papageno's arias are in the Magic Flute? They're far simpler than the other characters, mostly in strophic form and seem almost intentionally made for people to improvise and write theme and variations pieces for, compared to the more complicated arias from the main characters in the play. What do you call this

Notker Balbulus and before
Aho and after

>>127369819
What are strophic arias?

>>127369807
>Scriabin’s music
It's more alive than ever

Can i post here

>>127369331
>The best recording of Scriabin's complete Poemes?
>>127369838

>>127369843
No, sorry

>>127369843
Hum and record primary themes of all 3 movement of Hammerklavier sonata first. We've all done it.

>>127369843
Hum and record primary themes of all 4 movements of Hammerklavier sonata first. Post vocaroo. We've all done it.

>>127366002
Hindemith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vnuHYRMiv4

>>127369913
don't lower the standards, anon. He should at least be able to hum all the melodic themes of Wuorinen's 8th Symphony Theologoumena in their correct order from memory.

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY67wAZ9m1k

what is your favorite Beethoven 7?

>>127370286
op.92

>>127370286
Furtwängler

>>127370286
Wand

>>127369913
Beethoven’s Piano Sonata No. 29 in B-flat major, Op. 106.

Written for the forte piano when Beethoven was 48 and nearly deaf.

Nicknamed "Hammerklavier" noting the instruments,
and nod to prefering german over italitan terms;
one of the most demanding works in the piano repertoire.

There are four movments, each distinct in character
structure and tempo

1. Allegro (B-flat major)
2. Scherzo: Assai vivace (B-flat major)
3. Adagio sostenuto (F-sharp minor)
4. Introduzione: Largo… Allegro – Fuga: Allegro risoluto (B-flat major)


-Was not commissioned by any individual or institution but was a response to advancing piano technology; a way for Beethoven to grapple with profound philosophical and emotional ideas; seen as a reflection of his inner struggles, including his increasing deafness

So, Beethoven was supported by patrons like Archduke Rudolph, to whom the sonata is dedicated; may have been a gesture of gratitude, but the work itself was not written at the request of a patron or for a specific occasion.

>>127370664
1. Allegro (B-flat major)

"bold, heroic" sonata.
unifying rising third motif, which is a
recurring musical idea where a melody rises by a third (e.g., B-flat to D)
Extreme and challenging dynamics.

2. Scherzo: Assai vivace (B-flat major)

A scherzo is a lively, playful musical movement,
often in triple meter, typically replacing the minuet in a symphony or sonata,
with a contrasting trio section.

Assai vivace means "very lively" or "extremely fast" in Italian

in B-flat major with staccato, syncopated theme.
B-flat minor trio adds mystery.
Chaotic presto coda (a fast, concluding section of a musical piece)
showcases Beethoven’s witty, surprising style.

3. Adagio sostenuto (F-sharp minor)

Adagio sostenuto means "slow and sustained" in Italian.

Profoundly expressive Adagio sostenuto in F-sharp minor, with a mournful, hymn-like melody. Explores vast emotional terrain, requiring immense control for its 15–20-minute duration.

4. Introduzione: Largo… Allegro – Fuga: Allegro risoluto (B-flat major)

Largo intro with dissonant, wandering harmonies leads to a monumental,
virtuosic fugue in B-flat major.

Leaping melody, interweaving independent melodic lines.

The fugue is Beethoven’s nod to Bach, but it’s also a radical reinvention of counterpoint, blending classical rigor with romantic expressiveness.

>>127370664
>>127370669
Ar-Are you posting AIslop? on MY /classical/? Never posted here again.

>>127370674
I re wrote that. excuse me. anything is more appropriate than reading what you people have to say. Your messages make my eyes bleed

>>127370674
he is. AI posters should be permabanned and doxxed. they are the lowest form of scum sucking shit.

now playing

start of Tchaikovsky: Concerto for Violin and Orchestra in D Major, Op. 35, TH 59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=176ZO9pZGEc&list=OLAK5uy_mxubUKNhiL0fMMrWh42wxPnGwboNoqp7w&index=2

start of Sibelius: Concerto for Violin and Orchestra in D Minor, Op. 47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGZh_VivKa4&list=OLAK5uy_mxubUKNhiL0fMMrWh42wxPnGwboNoqp7w&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mxubUKNhiL0fMMrWh42wxPnGwboNoqp7w

>Violinist Lisa Batiashvili teams up with Daniel Barenboim and the Staatskapelle Berlin for an unforgettable version of Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto in D Major (Op. 35) and Sibelius' Violin Concerto in D minor (Op. 47), two of the most beloved, passionate and demanding pieces for violin and orchestra. This is Daniel Barenboim's first ever recording of Tchaikovsky's famous and romantic violin concerto.

>Lisa Batiashvili was the ferocious soloist in Tchaikovsky s Violin Concerto, intense in the first movement, luminous and heartfelt in the second, scintillating in the quickfire finale. It was a faultless performance, enthralling and electrifying. --The Guardian

Speaking of Sibelius and Barenboim, it'd be interesting to see him conduct Sibelius' symphonies with his dramatic, Teutonic style. Maazel's probably come the closest? Anyway, this should be good.

>>127370694
It was rewritten

If i sent you what that machine sent me, you would know it.

What i sent is more helpful than your ridiculous and petulant trash.

You look like idiots.

>>127370694
Hear! Hear!

>>127370694
AI doesn't even exist you retard, when you use a "chatbot" you are really just talking with some random indians

>>127370716
Sigh, we're too late, anon's brain has already been rotted and corroded. My condolences.

btw I just wanna stake my claim now: if the sisterposter ends up returning next month when the school year starts, it'll confirm my theory that they're currently home in China, and you'll all owe me $20.

if they still don't return, idk, maybe they got an internship with Chailly or something and finally moved on with their life

>>127370755
perhaps not $20 but if you are right I will deposit $5 into your account (assuming you're serious and you post the account number).

>>127370775
Signed and delivered

>>127370755
I really hope they don't return this general has been so much better without them

>>127370981
I disagree. They do a good job of dealing with the shitposters and trolls, plus actually know what they're talking about. Whenever someone asks a technical question, a question about compositional form, I feel bad there's no one here currently active to answer.

>>127370992
you cannot be serious. they do an abysmal job dealing with shitposters and trolls because 1. repeating the same phrase every time doesn't drive anyone away and simply derails the thread and 2. they are bigger shitposters than any they try to deal with in the first place
>actually know what they're talking about
not really, they just spoke like they did. for instance, he defended John Phillips's recent completion of Bruckner 9 as the most accurate one to Bruckner's wishes (in other words, they fell for a scam because Phillips's claims are total bullshit) so they aren't as smart as they would like you to think.
I really don't understand why you defend someone who is so exceedingly rude, mean, selfish, and arrogant and who derails threads more frequently than any troll or shitposters you claim they fight against

>>127371081
Trolls and shitposters want attention. When they instead get an autismo autoreply, it discourages and chases them off.

>2. they are bigger shitposters than any they try to deal with in the first place
A reasonable point but you learn to filter it out if you're a regular here.

>not really, they just spoke like they did.
If you can't even admit they had knowledge and expertise in this field, then there's no point to discussing this at all. Even when I disagreed with them, they had a foundational, consistent rationale for their entire belief system.

>I really don't understand why you defend someone who is so exceedingly rude, mean, selfish, and arrogant and who derails threads more frequently than any troll or shitposters you claim they fight against
I've been sucking up information like a sponge from internet forums for, oh, 19 years now? The most important traits I look for above all else is intellect and expertise (with obviously a willingness to occasionally share it). Kindness and generosity and congeniality and chemistry and sociability and all those other great traits are secondary.

>>127370755
>>127370981
>>127370992
>>127371081
>they, they, they, THEY, THEY
FUCK OFF
>>127371103
>it discourages and chases them off.
Maybe it discouraged you and chased you off. It didn't discourage anyone else so far.

First movement of Prague or the Magic Flute overture? Which one do you guys prefer? Mainly asking because I've seen some people crap on the Magic Flute overture on the front of him rehashing the main musical idea from Prague.

Personally, I find the overture to the Magic Flute to be my personal favorite symphonic instrumental movement he ever composed. It's everything I enjoy about him rolled into 6-8 minutes. I love the way Mozart merges aspects of the old form of the French Overture with Sonata-Allegro, I love the outside simplicity conceals the inner intricacy, not to mention it just being overall very expressive and fun, like the rest of the opera is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfsgfxr-jp4

What do you guys think?

>>127371314
Damn, this one is really ESL by my standard. Gotta get my coffee

Ranking the symphonists:

1. Beethoven
2. Haydn
3. Bruckner
4. Mozart
5. Schubert
6. C.P.E. Bach
7. Michael Haydn
8. Sibelius
9. Brahms
10. Liszt
11. Berlioz
12. Mendelssohn
13. Schumann
14. Tchaikovsky
15. Mahler
16. Shostakovich

>>127371346
objectively wrong.

>>127371346
Low effort bait.

Bruckner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY434-ZFbiY&list=OLAK5uy_mvGd9_xrL8ZPLPXto0HGFYj85gkNl6Yaw&index=10

>>127371361
>>127371367
Make your own list then.

HIP Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEt7zijFAKk

Furtwangler is by far the greatest Beethoven conductor

>>127372326
And Schubert conductor, and Bruckner conductor, and Brahms conductor, and Wagner conductor, and greatest conductor of all time...

>>127372326
Fart wangler

>>127371314
>>127371326
D:

>>127371346
Mahler completed the symphony, dude.
>2. Haydn
LOL oh you're merely jesting, i c

>>127372326
>>127372362
Why listen to Furtwangler when you can listen to Barenboim instead?

Revisiting Levine's Mahler 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUZz38kq4pw

With an album cover like that, how can it not be bomb?

>Levine delivers a remarkable, energetic and joyful reading of Maher's towering 7th symphony; capturing the darkness and gloominess of the night.

>>127372326
what are considered his best Beethoven recordings? is there a cycle?

>>127371314
if you got the time and inclination, peep this cycle >>127366289 and lemme know what you think

>>127372525
presumably this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKYoXIANVEM&list=OLAK5uy_lul1cL_DIPgZmfh-ufFevB6lqlqCG5YQk&index=9

and he has a couple famous, highly acclaimed standalone 9ths

hmm maybe I'll check out this set too after I'm finished listening to the Wand/NDR one (which I'm loving so far), been so many years since I last listened to Furtwangler -- his Beethoven 9 and Schubert 9 were instrumental in getting me into classical

>>127372326
meme conductor for geriatrics from an age with few available recordings

>>127372466
Haydn belongs at least in the top 5 and if you disagree you quite literally have to leave and learn before posting here again

>>127373401
Haydn is alright, he has 2 or 3 decent symphonies, and a few good piano sonatas.

>>127369124
>vagina ears
Surprised you wouldn't enjoy Ives massive musical cock fucking those pussy ears of yours.

Bumpmaninoff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rncWvjkops

>>127367386
>Seriously though, it's a great cycle.
I'll assume you're not talking about Wim

>>127370703
unbridled lust

>>127371234
calm down sister

>>127374427
he's talking about Fazil Say

maho more like my whore

>>127374427
Fazil Say's!

>>127370703
>Barenboim
>Teutonic
wdhmbt

Listening to Richter's WTC makes me feel like I'm living in a cathedral.

>>127375496
well the WTC was pretty tall but I don't remember it having any arches

>>127375510
groan

>>127375523
make me ;)

>>127375455
slow, weighty, majestic

Gee do you think these dynamics are precise enough?

>>127375529
you mean dull, bloated and pompous

How do even play fffff on the piano? Smash your fists off the keyboard? fff is already "very, very, loud" this is like two more louder than that

>>127375510
Don't joke about 9/11

>>127375557
You use a hammer, lady
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw9ni9zXc7A

>>127375544
potato, tomato

one man's trash

different strokes

etc

>>127375544
you mean shallow, pedantic

>>127375564
No one ever mentioned the hilarious event of planes flying into the buildings killing a bunch of amerimutts; only the buildings were mentioned. Chill.

>>127375565
Sonata is a very generous description for this

>be me
>put on 5 hour recording of a long series of works by a composer
>immediately fall asleep for 4 hours
>wake up
>change to a different recording of the same pieces to actually listen to now that I'm awake

thanks for the nap, Tureck

>>127375570
why do you

type like

a fucking tosser

kill

yourself

>>127375581
That too, yeah

>>127375582
Don't joke about the September 11th terror attacks that killed 3000 innocent civilians

>>127375591
It has sound, does it not

>>127375610
>the September 11th terror attacks that killed 3000 innocent civilians

Post upbeat, celebratory music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c4DNLChMCA

>>127370755
They've got an internship with McDonald's

>>127375736
Doing what? Being the dumpster?

So annoying there aren't more complete Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody piano cycles. Do people think it's not good? Lame.

What sort of name is Shai Wosner anyway?

>>127375801
Why bother? We already have the one that matters.

now playing

start of Nielsen: Symphony No. 4, Op. 29 "The Inextinguishable"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM3pecR_OTc&list=OLAK5uy_nE4ckttXq2Pm4KP6Pf9rrG0HlRUNvgHgQ&index=22

start of Nielsen: Symphony No. 5, Op. 50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRRDh57J9wE&list=OLAK5uy_nE4ckttXq2Pm4KP6Pf9rrG0HlRUNvgHgQ&index=26

start of Nielsen: Symphony No. 6 "Sinfonia Semplice"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO5DIgWDlaA&list=OLAK5uy_nE4ckttXq2Pm4KP6Pf9rrG0HlRUNvgHgQ&index=31

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nE4ckttXq2Pm4KP6Pf9rrG0HlRUNvgHgQ

>>127375856
Why post only the start, my guy? Does the rest not matter?

>>127375924
They're connected to a playlist with the rest of the each piece that'll autoplay if you click through and listen on Youtube.

György Ligeti - Piano 'Concerto'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3mDevv2LP0&list=RDP3mDevv2LP0&start_radio=1&ab_channel=Aurora%27sArchives

I wouldn't actually recommend listening to this btw

>>127370286
His seventh symphony

>>127371234
literal ESL moment

>>127375993
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?

>>127375924
get with the program

>>127371103
You've been sucking up cocks for 19 years like a sponge

>>127376057
They don't want him either you're stuck with him, he's every nation's refugee

>>127376085
take it to Israel then

>>127372473
Because Barenboim isn't as good.

>>127375828
I suppose I could give it another shot. I do quite like Campanella's and Szidron's tho

>>127376096
This is the /mu/ equivalent of Israel

>>127376123
dang, got me there

why is the first Nocturne on this set only 1:39 long? wtf ANOTHER truncated piano piece? cringe

guess I'm not listening to Collard's Faure

>>127376238
>why is the first Nocturne on this set only 1:39 long?
Honestly? No idea. Someting seems to have gone wrong with whatever service you're using
>guess I'm not listening to Collard's Faure
yer loss

>>127376289
Would you mind uploading that set on litterbox?

>>127376306
>litterbox
.....on what? mf get on soulseek

>>127376315
nvm, no worries

Anyone here like Schubert's early-to-middle string quartets and think they're worth listening to?

>>127376339
ye

>>127376359
Favorite complete set?

>>127376422
damn I thought you were gonna say Diogenes or Melos or Modigliani, that's an obscure choice. I'll (try to) check it out, thanks

>>127376441
>that's an obscure choice
huh, I genuinely wasn't aware

New
>>127376493
>>127376493
>>127376493

>>127376458
any recording without any amazon reviews, reviews on other sites, articles, release page, or any kind of marketing or community online presence beyond a discogs entry can immediately and assuredly be described as obscure

hell, even almost nonexistent in this day and age