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It was fun to be contratian about it but he was actually the GOAT.

>>127383703 (OP)
I agree with you he was the GOAT of metal.

>>127383703 (OP)
Black Sabbath with him as the singer was the GOAT. His solo career has three albums worthy of note and a bunch of crap

>>127383703 (OP)
he is probably one of the few popular music musicians who remained a broadly known celebrity for 50+ years.
mccartney, springsteen, cher, madonna, elton john, maybe billy joel. relatively short list.

>>127383857
jagger/richards too of course.

>>127383857
He wasn't broadly known in the 70s lol
Black Sabbath had a cult following but if you asked the average bloke on the streets they wouldn't be able to tell you who's Ozzy like they could with McCartney etc.

>>127383703 (OP)
Yes

>>127383703 (OP)
he was a mediocre vocalist and lyricist who rode on the coattails of more talented people. he was more known for his pesonality and antics than his musical talent.

>>127383906
He wasn't a lyricist in BS since he was dyslexic by his own admission, Geezer wrote the lyrics. Not sure about his solo career though

>>127383906
He's a great vocalist, just not flashy.

>>127383914
Solo stuff wasn't written by him either. I think he wrote The Writ.

>>127383870
that's true. but that's because he wasn't known by older people in the 70's (no ed sullivan show watched by everyone in that era).
but he did remain in broad consciousness of 70's teenagers (or at least the majority who were rock music fans) then and throughout their life, while becoming widely known by following generations too.
something rarely done.
especially by someone who apparently dropped out of school at like 15.

>>127383914
He did write the vocal melodies though.

>>127383906
was he the luckiest person in rock history or ringo?
i'd probably say ozzy since he was a major solo act too. and he would never been a successful solo artist without the black sabbath fame.

>>127383914
>>127384011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Songs_written_by_Ozzy_Osbourne>>127384011

ALLLLL ABOOOARD
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>127384084
He had natural talent and managed to surround himself with right people. Sharon was a beast of a manager too

>>127384199
yeah, wasn't he supposedly broke, nearly on skid row after being canned , before sharon figured out how to exploit his brand?
people shit on sharon and other managers/rock business people, but they probably understand what people actually respond to better than anybody.

>>127384275
i mean, didn't sharon come up with the idea of that last concert?
that kind of cemented how big a deal ozzy was in public consciousness i think.
bet mccartney was even jealous of how many big names came out to be a part of it.

>>127384275
Stop it with the contrived Sharon glazing now.
No he was not nearly on Skid Row after Sabbath axed him. He quickly found Randy Rhoads through Dana Strum then went back to his first wife and kids in England shortly after, met Bob Daisley and started putting together Blizzard of Ozz. Sharon only became involved in late 1980 and then quickly broke up both the original lineup after Diary of a Madman had been recorded and then ended his first marriage in divorce rape around the time Diary was released. Sharon was a home wrecker. Not some savior that scraped Ozzy off the floor. He did that mostly by himself in -79 and -80 with minimal involvment from Sharon.
Sharon herself along with her brother David actually played a role in getting Ozzy fired from Sabbath in -79 when they went behind the back of their father Don Arden (who wanted to keep the original Black Sabbath intact) when they led Dio into getting in touch with Iommi.
Before Sharon sunk her claws into Ozzy she had her sights set on Iommi.
Its all been retconned over the years as this Cinderella story where Sharon is portrayed as having played the part of some selfless angel that scraped Ozzy up from the floor. Because thats the stuff befitting of a biopic. Which Sharon and her Hollywood producers friends have already been working on for years. Its coming.

>>127383828
Randy Rhoads was a beast but his talents were wasted on someone that was already a dinosaur by then.
Its really only Black Sabbath in the 70s thats really kino when it comes to Ozzy. Thinking the radio rock reality tv solo Ozzy is superior to 70s Black Sabbath Ozzy is akin to thinking 60s movie Elvis or fat Las Vegas 70s Elvis doing karate is better than OG 50s Elvis.

>>127384665
Ozzy saved Randy from a career in Quiet Riot lol

>>127384674
Then he fucking died less than three years after hooking up with Ozzy. You left that out.
Oh yeah. I went there. I have conspiracy theories about his death and then some. He grew tired of Ozzys and Sharons shit during the Diary tour and wanted to leave.

>>127383906
His voice was flat out insane in the 60s and 70s. You just got filtered. The despair and melancholy his voice conveyed on those eight Black Sabbath albums were the icing on the cake for that material.
Then he became a product and self parody.

>>127384780
Still better than being condemned to a career of hair metal aor shlock. Plus, Ozzy wasn't even awake when Randy got on that plane, it was the dumb coked out pilot who did.

>>127384998
>>127384998
>Still better than being condemned to a career of hair metal aor shlock
Randys own sentiment was rather trying to get out of the rock scene entirely and go back into classical guitar studies. Dying in a plane crash while on a tour he hated being on was not really a part of that equation now was it?
Yes yes yes. We know the official cover story. Do you want an award for parroting it or something?

>>127384665
But PS though. Hey look. 80s Ozzy aint that bad either though. Rhoads, Lee and even Wylde for one album brought something to the table. But starting with No More Tears (the epitome of an overrated Grammy fodder album) the quality just fucking cratered imo. You could tell Wylde was out of ideas after just one album and that Daisley were not writing the lyrics anymore.

>>127385023
meds

>>127385100
>b-b-but the song No More Tears itself is so le hecking epic though
Meh. Bloodbath in Paradise did it better as an Ozzy song with creepy subject matter.

>>127385114
I accept your defeat.

There is good stuff on Ozzmosis and Black Rain

>>127385155
cope

>>127385289
I'll drop the real trvke now. Ozzmosis is better than No More Tears.

>>127385730
Possibly

>>127383703 (OP)
Sabbath's first 6 albums might be the GOAT run. Insane how they didn't miss for 6 albums in a row

>>127383914
Bob Daisley was his lyricst from Blizzard until No Rest.

Also remember that Blizzard and Diary weren't even meant to be solo albums originally, it was a new band actually called "The Blizzard of Ozz" but then Jet Records pulled a swifty and rebranded Blizzard a solo album because they figured it would be more lucrative to market it in America as "THE REBIRTH OF OZZY OSBOURNE!" as opposed to a pseudo-supergroup made up of 30-something year old '70s metal guys and a young upcoming guitarist.

>>127387136
Huh, that actually is kinda interesting. I wonder if they were right in the end.

>>127384568
This guy knows

In all my years I never got into this band at all. Most of their songs are so retardedly simplistic and uninteresting. Even acdc is better at that shit.
Then the times their music does become interesting, it's power and groove is immediately destroyed by Ozzy's retarded clown voice

>>127384568
Anytime I've looked into the ozzy/sharon thing I get the same impression you do. It's funny how common knowledge it is among Ozzy fans what a POS Sharon's father was while totally ignoring Sharon is probably worse than he is. She's definitely more manipulative and conniving. Really shows how image is everything to most people.

>>127387248
Sharon's an evil butch but I think Don Arden tends to get a worse rap in the public arena because he had legitimate ties to organized crime and he'd threaten violence so often - stuff like threatening to break Jimmy Page's fingers if he pursued Steve Marriott.

Rudy Sarzo also had a good one when he called up Jeff Fenholt, who was working with Iommi on what would become Seventh Star, asking if he'd be down for working on something in the future. Even though Fenholt said "thanks, but I'm tied up right now", Arden still rang up Sarzo up the next day and threatened to break his kneecaps if he heard from him again. Ironically Fenholt would be out of the picture a couple of months later after Arden attacked him in the studio after a perceived slight.

>>127383703 (OP)
Led Zeppelin is more heavy than Sabbath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo9SL-2jK0Y

>>127383703 (OP)
He was a cool guy, I don't want to disrespect him but Lemmy was. Ozzy himself admitted it.

>>127387136
>>127387157
That original line-up likely wouldn't have been able to adapt to mid-late 80s MTV as well as solo Ozzy + young American glam guys. Just look at any 80s Uriah Heep video and you can see Lee Kerslake was a visual liability despite being far and away the best drummer to pass through Ozzy's solo band.

https://youtu.be/ji5NxH7q0jQ?si=faU9Jc9otB3bYtH7

>>127387248
>>127387344
Sharon has tried to exceed him but she will still never be quite as awful to people as her father could be if he wanted to. Don could be awful to Sharon as well.

>>127387196
>>127387355
So much bait. I'll give you one (you) each though. Now be gone.

>>127388210
Arguably. But its around the time MTV launched that Ozzy started turning into a trend hopping joke. Started with always hiring the wrong producer (like Ron Nevison) and then it got even worse in the 90s and onwards when he started having like five billion people write an album for him.
Ozzy himself used to talk in interviews about how the beauty of the 70s was that there was no MTV yet and lamented that visuals were overtaking substance. It became all about style over substance. Dio used to echo that sentiment too actually.

>>127384275
>people shit on sharon and other managers/rock business people, but they probably understand what people actually respond to better than anybody.
Sharon is Jewish and Jews are very good at manipulating Evangelical Christians and leading them to the opposite place they expect, specifically in this case by relauncing Ozzy as a diabolical "Satanic panic" character in the Reagan-era 1980s, knowing that would rile up parents and make him more attractive to teenagers. Nothing to it.

>>127390072
they even made the font on "satanism" look cool lol. probably has more to do with organized religion being so lame in general too regardless of metal's influence being there. teens jumped on elvis and the beatles before this in a fashion completely unseen before in pop culture probably for similar or the same reasons.

>>127390135
Yeah it seems silly now but his image was a freakier / scarier guy in 1983 and Geraldo was doing documentaries. He bit the head off a bat! He's crazy! I guess there's some proto-black metal influences at least as a vibe. Or more Marilyn Manson.
https://youtu.be/j34juXrJWqw

Marilyn Manson is not a good comparison actually. I take that back. Manson's earlier equivalent was Alice Cooper.

Always found his voice annoying. Never understood the hype behind Sabbath either. Vol. 4 is straight up garbage.