Thread 127433047

Metal in the 70s/80s
highly skilled guitarist and vocalist.
Mid level drummer and bass player

Metal in the 2020s
highly skilled drummer
Everybody else below average.

What the hell happened?

>>127433047 (OP)
Dunno. Can tell you that Metallica was the sales leader. They gradually played slower and slower. Genres expanded. Divergence inevitable. Blame exhaustion from touring. Standards drop.

>>127433064

I have a theory, that stupid catch phrase you hear every single heavy band say ever about their latest album, this is our heaviest album yet...
That just means more drums, less melodies, but I am not convinced its actually what people want. Somehow black sabbath was alot heavier than all modern metal without having a huge wall of drums mixed to the front of every song.

>>127433080
this is a big part of it growler vocals and down tuning kind of limit how much virtuosity you can even get out of the instrument. drums dont really have this problem

Recording technology changed over time. Songs mixed for cd's had higher highs. That would effect drums, but this is misunderstood. Believe they have figured all that out by now. It takes them 40 years to find the happy medium, and still people won't be happy. Believe the albums are rushed. The idea is to hear it live. Heard it's tough for everyone to always agree and get along with mixing. Honestly have no idea.

>>127433047 (OP)
>Cliff Burton: Mid
>Gar Samuelson: Mid

Get a grip, pleb.

>>127433047 (OP)
Metal in the 70s/80s
Aggressive but still musicial
Metal since the mid 2000s
Fart noises and a caveman grunting

>>127433047 (OP)
Everyone is the drummer's biyatch in metal now. And why I don't associate with any of it.. Drummers are expendable creatures, just like in the Spinal Tap movie.

>>127433868

You picked the best bass player of all time, if you put eddie van halen, rob halford and cliff burton in a room, cliff is still well behind the best guitarists and vocalists of his era.
Metallica is a decent example though, Cliff, Hetfield and Kirk all were far superior musicians to Lars on drums.
If a drummer is the best musician in your band, its not a good sign at all...

>>127434158
They're the best musicians of the genre because the genre itself has become mostly about being brutal. And drums are a good vehicle for that. When all newer metalheads care about is being brutal, then you'll mostly get banging and chugging and some tryhard frontman larping as some dark bullshit. Or worse, doing yet another Anselmo tough guy thing. You'd think that shit would get old by now, but they didn't get the memo. They actually think they're intimidating society, like it's the old days.
Guitarists who are more melodic and old school don't fit into the gimmick of these type of bands. No one can elevate it because it's designed to not be elevated. It's designed to be brought low and primal. And the opposite of primal is...celestial, I guess. True musical mastery makes people soar. Almost anything other than metal can do that.. Rock, psychedelic, even some pop. But not metal. It wants you down with your face rubbed in shit.

>>127434282

Pantera existed exactly at the cross over point. They actually did have a very talented guitarist who did inject melodies into their songs and was the most talented person the band. Their drummer was very good but managed to hold off on relying on endless double kicks and blast beats.
Sadly they fell victim to the dumb idea of each album needing to be heavier than the last, probably due to all the pot smoking and drug use and ended up steering metal off a cliff.

>>127434588
Yeah, no hate on Dimebag at all. It is a crossover point, you're right.

Metal is for nu males these days. Just chill out and listen to some Soungarden and Queens of the Stone Age if you want melody and skill. Aside from that Deafheaven has a pretty talented lineup aside from an unremarkable bassist, but their music is not heavy other than a few songs.

>>127434637
>Deafheaven
Ah, that's it. I forgot the name of that band. I like them. There was a similar thread awhile back where I ranted about the state of metal, but that band was one I liked and couldn't think of the name.

Orgasmatron [GWR/Profile, 1986]
I admire metal's integrity, brutality, and obsessiveness, but I can't stand its delusions of grandeur--the way it apes and misapprehends reactionary notions of nobility. One thing I like about Lemmy is that he's proud to be a clod, common as muck and dogged in his will to make himself felt as just that. Add that rarest of metal virtues, a sense of humor, which definitely extends to the music's own conventions, as on the lead cut of his first album in three litigation-packed years: yclept "Deaf Forever," a good enough joke right there (especially for Sabbaf fans), it turns out to be a battlefield anthem--about a corpse. And then add Bill Laswell, who was born to make megalomania signify: where most metal production gravitates toward a dull thud that highlights the shriek of the singer and the comforting reverberation of the signature guitar, Laswell's fierce clarity cracks like a whip, inspiring Lemmy, never a slowpoke in this league, to bellow one called "Built for Speed." Result: work of art. A-

>>127434941
I had no idea Laswell produced that.

>>127434941
tl;dr?

>general sweeping statement about an entire genre including every single sub genre

I'll let the tech death wankers know they are below average

>>127435035
That he was saying soaring vocals and guitar solos=bad. Evidently people listened and the result was the stupidity of bvrtal metal.

Laswell is a better bassist than Lemmy. He was really slumming. Up there with producing Whitney Houston.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4xSxYaDras

I mean really there's better musical role models to aspire to than Hatebreed.

>>127434637
>>127434660
>Deafheaven saved metal

>>127433047 (OP)
The rise of the -core genres and polyrhythm playing.