Thread 127440271

>>127440271 (OP)
>corporations are LE BAD
>that's why I adopt every one of their beliefs
Why is Gen X like this?

He was the first one to admit he was a sellout and to call out the grunge and "alternative" movement; he wasn't a hypocrite, he was a pessimist
>>127440282
Millennials like you are to blame for the current state of the industry, you poptimist loser can't stop defending your overlords

>>127440271 (OP)
About as cringe as when he mocked Rolling Stone while posing for them. If he really believed in his shit he would've refused like Fugazi did

>>127440282
other way around bucko

>>127440350
>He was the first one to admit he was a sellout and to call out the grunge and "alternative" movement; he wasn't a hypocrite, he was a pessimist
I think Chris said he was always a contradiction. He genuinely wanted to be a rockstar..but then he got there, he couldn't stand the existence of one.

>>127440373
Blah, I mean Kris.

>>127440350
>Millennial poptimists like you
I'm 21 and listen to primarily classical music lol. Just saying that if you're "anti-corporate" and your politics align perfectly with that of the corporations you might be doing something wrong.

At least he was very aware of the fucking problem. He spent much of his time mocking himself and the so-called "alternative" movement for selling out. Back then, there was still a noticeable, if fragile, line between pop and alternative. Sure, plenty of “indie” bands were already signed to major labels and burning money on marketing campaigns, everybody was talking about that even back then, but at least their message and sonic experimentation still set them apart from the flat, ultra-corporate pop machine cranked out by a dozen songwriters and an army of producers
Then came the millennials and older zoomers, proudly embracing poptimism and just accepting capitalism and consumerism. Suddenly, anyone who questioned the sanctity of pop stars was smeared as a hater, a chud, or an incel
>You don't like this industry plant?? urr you're a chud have sex lsoer!
The narrative flipped: artists who functioned more like Fortune 500 brands than musicians were hailed as rebels, simply for flying an LGBTQ+ flag (with the full blessing of the very corporations they supposedly stood against). It was a textbook Trojan horse: social causes as camouflage, and millennials opening their mouths wide so the industry could spoon-feed them corporate rebellion.
Now, the line between indie and mainstream has completely evaporated. The only “alternative” movements are digital mirages, flaring up online and dying just as quickly.
now zoomers, as a result, are largely starved of an authentic musical experience. And yet, there’s an attempt to resurrect something real. Many are actively ignoring the millennial era, heading out to the streets, playing and enjoying live music. Ironically, zoomies connect more naturally with Gen X’s restless spirit than with the boomers or the very millennials who helped flatten the landscape in the first place

>>127440476
>now zoomers, as a result, are largely starved of an authentic musical experience
we have 2hollis unc

>>127440476
>now zoomers, as a result, are largely starved of an authentic musical experience.
Yeah, I'm tired of being the old grump crapping on them. They didn't stand a chance against these forces. It's not their fault.

>>127440271 (OP)
Kurt was living in his car because Sub Pop didn't care enough about them to give them an decent advance to record or even promote them. Geffen gave them like a quarter of a million out the gate and promoted the shit out of Nevermind.

>>127440282
It's the opposite, they adopt whatever sells, whatever the kids like they co-opt that shit for profit. They have no beliefs except keep shareholders happy

>>127440513
cringe garbage and i even like Ken Carson and co. Saw 2hollis live and he sucked dick

kurt was not that profound, he was just depressed because of his stomach pains (probably because he never ate anything but goyslop without fiber)

>>127440282
>>corporations are LE BAD
In 1991 the mainstream big five record labels were putting out streamlined overproduced shit and there was little outlets for stuff with artistic ambition inventiveness or integrity. A zoomer cannot imagine that reality because making music and getting it out there is extremely easy now but was very hard then and gatekept by the big record labels and their A&R people.

That's the context for the indie movement and for
>corporations are LE BAD

>>127442679
delusional

if you listen to garbage or believe corporate narratives about "le grunge" then you have no one to blame but yourself for being a white trash loser retard

>>127444511
>making music and getting it out there is extremely easy now but was very hard then and gatekept by the big record labels and their A&R people
Punks, Daniel Johnston, Fugazi, etc. had no problem. It's harder NOW because pretty because you need connections, whereas back then you just played a few shows and an exec would should up to watch you and sign you.
Anyone starting out now can post their music anywhere but unless the algorithm reaches the right people word will never spread

>>127440350
That raping those black guys gave him on that sizzling summer night in 92 really messed him up.

>>127440476
>Suddenly

There was no instant black or white change and easy access to music on the internet has been the biggest change driver for the music industry. Music related capitalism has always been embraced by the vast majority and pop music has always been both liked and hated by some. Normal people didn't care about Michael Jackson dancing for Pepsi and they didn't care about the Sopranos using Journey music and they don't know what a chud or incel is.

>>127440476
>an authentic musical experience

>>127440271 (OP)
>Guys wanted to be like him, and girls wanted to be with him
Zoomers really believe it was like this.
It wasn't. At all.
Outside their music videos, you'd barely ever see any mainstream music stars, let alone weird alternative rock band people.

>>127440476
>zoomers are largely starved of an authentic musical experience
Zoomers found out Taylor Swift doesn't actually sing live or play live on her big tour ...and didn't care.
INCREDIBLE

she would have been laughed off stage and her career vaporized (see: Ashley Simpson) just a generation ago

>>127446861
>her career vaporized (see: Ashley Simpson)

That didn't happen, her next album debuted at #1 and had 3 million sales worldwide and the next at #5, and she had multiple tours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashlee_Simpson

People were aware Janet Jackson, TLC and many others lip synced in concert and they remained popular.

>>127447051
All the publicity and people feeling bad for her may have actually helped Ashley. The people angriest and laughing loudest probably weren't likely to be fans to begin with.

>>127440282
Corporations are bad and pieces of shit regardless of what gen x or whatever generation says or does. Youre a complete faggot hypocrite. I bet you seethe over trump yet you condone corporations

>SUCCESS AND MONEY IS LE BAD
Jesus. This is exactly why punk died

>>127447503
How's your trump flag flying?

>>127447527
NTA but you sound like a total retard

>>127440271 (OP)
That was back during those first months of fame from 1992 when he was still enjoying the success

Also they had a pretty good relation with Geffen who gave them total artistic freedom, so they had no reason to not be thankful for that, considering they were literally pulled out of poverty in just one year

>>127440282
>every one of their beliefs
what beliefs would that be exactly?

>>127440476
Nothing ironic about it. All part for the course. Personality is inherited from the grandparents.

>>127448928
Kurt always enjoyed the success. Even right before his death he called MTV to play his music videos more often. The guy always wanted the money and fame but he had to pretend to hate it to keep up his rebellious act. He was only depressed because he was on heroin 24/7 and bipolar

>>127440271 (OP)
Millennials can’t get into nirvana because it sounds ‘old’ and ‘harsh’

>>127440282
Boomer libs did the same larp first. Gen X libs just carried it on.
While I like a lot of gen x music I can not stand their politics left or right a lot of the time. Diet boomer. And my own cringe generation the millennials were even worse. We are probably the worst with our hipster bullshit. 2000s and 2010s millennial core should be memory holed.

>>127449629
Wot? Millennials actually adulate Nirvana even more than most of gen x does.