Thread 127451065

Viola edition
https://youtu.be/kyhWWyDHIfM

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>127434295

first for Richter's WTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPF3ECIu0Nc&list=OLAK5uy_kS4zh1-semo1JK4Gz6er6yM5zamTuBcVA&index=24

>>127451097
That’s not THE Richter

Hello, friends.

>>127451097
Imagine only appreciating Bach’s music when it is played like romantic slop on an instrument he despised.

>>127451065 (OP)
>Viola edition
Hindemith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifkXKkctG3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=ub3jhLbhPiU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wK7BV0su4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYUZccKkemo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEDpcdx5ppk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS--K3dPHzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-NZS9DrY4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPgmUji_bBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZB7dCLJ6cM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApH2HOGBmbY

>>127451152
>>127451204
you gotta admit it sounds glorious tho

thoughts on Claude Vivier?

imagine picking recordings based on conductor and not doing it on a piece-by-piece basis

>>127451097
World Trade Center?

>>127451218
Clop, Clop, Clop
Sounds like a horse walking on marble

>>127451235
...nobody does that. What does sometimes happen, however, and this is what you're mistaking it for, is someone wholeheartedly embraces a particular performer's vision of a composer's music. If they perform one masterpiece of the composer's well, then odds are, their interpretation of another piece is gonna be up your alley too, and this is why we found ourselves surprised when this isn't the case.

>>127451287
It's the WTC God plays on his record player in Heaven

Best WTC recording of the decade
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=j0mYZVmBitc

>>127451341
That symbol is reminiscent of a wheel…

guess we'll finally give this one a try, now playing

start of Brahms: Piano Concerto No.1 in D Minor, Op. 15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crNS7tafF1w&list=OLAK5uy_kHprYX-DqqPvF8Bz_yrgx5Tm2XJHOmVrc&index=2

start of Brahms: Piano Concerto No.2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5jbtB0-hc0&list=OLAK5uy_kHprYX-DqqPvF8Bz_yrgx5Tm2XJHOmVrc&index=5

start of Brahms: 7 Fantasias, Op. 116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx9kIpaCG9k&list=OLAK5uy_kHprYX-DqqPvF8Bz_yrgx5Tm2XJHOmVrc&index=9

start of Brahms: 3 Intermezzi, Op. 117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRVGdfRoNYQ&list=OLAK5uy_kHprYX-DqqPvF8Bz_yrgx5Tm2XJHOmVrc&index=16

start of Brahms: 6 Piano Pieces, Op. 118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ioZgJ4tPoQ&list=OLAK5uy_kHprYX-DqqPvF8Bz_yrgx5Tm2XJHOmVrc&index=19

start of Brahms: 4 Piano Pieces, Op. 119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO2e0MuJL3E&list=OLAK5uy_kHprYX-DqqPvF8Bz_yrgx5Tm2XJHOmVrc&index=24

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kHprYX-DqqPvF8Bz_yrgx5Tm2XJHOmVrc

>>127451396
wow

>>127451403
It is a metaphor for Wim ‘rolling over’ his enemies

>>127451427
k

>>127451304
>If they perform one masterpiece of the composer's well, then odds are, their interpretation of another piece is gonna be up your alley too
this is what I'm saying is completely wrong
>this is why we found ourselves surprised when this isn't the case
you shouldn't be
the great masters' masterpieces are too particular and individual for their ouvre to be done justice by mostly one or two interpreters. you need a variety of approaches. if someone does, say, Mahler 7 well, they could very easily fuck up Mahler 9 anyway, because those pieces are so vastly different

>>127451435
Wim marches on
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=uVnmBITRw6w

>>127451445
They're different but they're not "no way this was composed by the same hand and mind" different. Anyway, it's case by case. I'd say most people don't have favorite recordings for entire cycles/oeuvres, but if someone did, or at least for over half of the works, I'd completely understand.

Also, I feel like this is even more the case for non-symphonic works, for example a favorite one performer cycle of Beethoven's piano sonatas or Debussy's piano works or Bach's violin works. These performers have distinct ideas and sounds, and if you love it in one place for the composer, I don't know, it makes perfect sense to me they'd love it elsewhere too.

But again it's case-by-case. I remember the sisterposter thought Karajan had the best Bruckner 7, 8, and 9th, but offensively bad recordings of the rest.

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rcaJI3D9Oo

>The Hindemith sonata to me is one of the few successful hard-core Modern works for the harp. It has become another repertory touchstone, one of the few non-French or -Spanish works to do so. Hindemith writes a magical opening, achieved through a deep understanding of harp sonority and capabilities. This music penetrates to the soul of the instrument. The second-movement scherzo reminds me of Puck and his crew fleet in the night. Hindemith surprises me in that he doesn't go through his normal contrapuntal wizardry. Indeed, there's less true counterpoint here than in the Flagello. The sonata ends unusually with a slow movement, based on a poem by the German Romantic Ludwig Hölty, concerning the death prayer of a harper. It has a very vocal line. I wonder if one could sing the poem to Hindemith's tune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GueZwL1M6P4

something from the garbage bin, r8 & h8 https://vocaroo.com/1kZlVRJ4Xym9

best Myaskovsky piano sonata cycle?

>>127451935
Endre Hegedűs

>>127451935
>sovietslop
whichever's the shortest

>>127451972
is that better than McLachlan?

>>127451447
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUohIpYMnKg
KOEK

>>127452047
it's less rushed

>>127450908
I practice my music every day, would the anons like if I recorded it, or would that be annoying?

>>127451871
Good work, king

>>127451447
did he ever cited Cobra as his inspiration?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO4sOvcEh3E&list=OLAK5uy_lLKby2QhO97C9cKElMmGIClYs-9R2hHmA&index=6

>>127452324
his only inspirations are quaaludes and an inability to read

>>127452497
>inability
unwillingness*

>>127451211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZB7dCLJ6cM
that was actually very pretty and soulful

>>127451869
lovely
Hindemith has been a pleasant surprise amidst the shitposting and spam lately

>>127452915
>>127452644
more interesting than good

>>127452933
no one asked

>today I will Remind them

BAB
A
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>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
A
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>Well, I wish you good night, but first,
>Shit in your bed and make it burst.
>Sleep soundly, my love
>Into your mouth your arse you'll shove.

>Mozart's canon "Leck mich im Arsch" K. 231 (K6 382c) includes the lyrics:

>Addio, ben mio. Keep well, my love.
>Into your mouth your arse you'll shove.
>I wish you good night, my dear, but first,
>Shit in your bed and make it burst.

Need I say more Shartzart lovers?

Just stop listening to Mozart, there is no hidden genius in his music, just shit, piss, and cock fucking nonsense that no straight man would be caught dead listening to, HE WORE A WIG AND MAKEUP, HE'S GAY CAN'T YOU SEE IT?

HE ATE SCHNITZEL OUT OF HIS WIFES UNWIPED ASSHOLE!

>braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
>braaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
>braaap
>braap
>brap
>brap
>braaaaap

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Prokofiev or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

>>127453178
I knew that bit from Family Guy was referencing something.

>Up next is mozFart stinky dinky symphony no. 39 in E flatulence followed by Braaaaaap Concerto in P(ee) minor

Do Shartzart listeners really?

>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER

Schumann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZteBG-W1eI&list=OLAK5uy_my1bI_7aierETDNYyVuAHfKZGfn9qJk8M&index=2

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

>>127452933
And he's incredibly good, so imagine
>>127452644
>>127452915
Truly and really glad

Mendelssohn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5yT-sXVLjE

Yep, it’s JINO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9v8SeItyQc

>>127453965
>>127454072
Haven't heard this Marriner Elias before. Sounds beautiful.

My favorite Purcell
https://youtu.be/2VBm2hQxK_w?si=8wWrTcTikznn9x8n

>>127451204
Sviatoslav Richter doesn't play Bach like a Romantic kek, get your terms straight. Just because a performer has a free tempo and is trying to express certain emotions that perhaps were or weren't in the original piece does not make them a Romantic performer.

>>127454658
>kek
opinion discarded and post omitted

>>127454594
ok that got me

>>127450807
I like how this review doesn't actually say anything or cite any direct parts of the performance

>>127455181
It's a booklet you clown not an academic dissertation

>>127451065 (OP)
scriabi :3

Wagner >>> Jesus

simple as.

>>127452155
That's me, and yes. As someone who struggles to appreciate vocal music (especially bass, tenor, male singing) and prefers instrumental music, I'd be curious to hear you singing what you love. I assume most people here wouldn't care though.

I asked my dog his favorite pianist and he said, >WU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNYPm7JfP3k

>>127455543
I too prefer real, historical figures

>>127455274
You don't need to go into crazy detail. Just a few examples to back up your opinion.

>>127455764
Wagner also performed miracles.

Not enough Wagner talk. Let's have a question to engender discussion. What's the single least discussed or mentioned second of music in the Ring Cycle? My vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDDzB_2ox7s

>>127455803
Yes, Wagner's miracles were at least interesting and real. Jesus is a fictional character.

>>127455842
Wagner's miracle was making me believe in Jesus Christ.

>Why, if I did not feel in my inmost soul the living light and love of that Christian faith, my works . . . would be the works of a liar and an ape. My art is my prayer.

>>127455854
>The very shape of the Divine had presented itself in anthropomorphic guise; it was the body of the quintessence of all-pitying Love, stretched out upon the cross of pain and suffering. A—symbol?—beckoning to the highest pity, to worship of suffering, to imitation of this breaking of all self-seeking Will. . . . In this, and in its effect upon the human heart, lies all the spell whereby the Church soon made the Greco-Roman world her own.
>What was bound to prove [the Church’s] ruin, and lead at last to the ever louder “Atheism” of our day, was the tyrant-prompted thought of tracing back this Godliness upon the cross to the Jewish “Creator of heaven and earth,” a wrathful God of Punishment who seemed to promise greater power than the self-offering, all-loving Savior of the Poor.

Wagner, the devout Christian (committed adultery and frequently betrayed his friends)

>>127455984
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

fagner wrote the score of Parsifal in pink ink. what did he mean by this?

>>127455984
>>127455934
Wagner's relationship to Christianity and Medieval Europe was basically pic related. He didn't actually believe in it.

>>127456115
Pink was a manly virile color until the '1920s when american toy manufacturers wanted to sell to girls as well, that's when they made pink for everyone (unisex) so then parents started buying their boys every other color except for pink. Does this remind you of something? Male spaces are for everyone but female spaces are only for women? Boy scouts are for everyone but girl scouts are for girls.

>>127455654
…

Who is your favorite subcontinental pianist?

>>127456207
Sorabji.

for comedic reasons of course.

>>127456147
How did you learn to read minds?

>>127456216
who?

>>127456327
ignorance is bliss.

>>127456346
I will play him out loud on public transport to accurately gauge the quality.

>>127456314
Hegel taught me how when I summoned him in the astral plane.

>>127456358
preferably on the subway for maximum suffer... er I mean effect.

>>127455580
Ok, I can record something tomorrow, when I practice again. Maybe some Schubert or Tannhäser, those are my favorites. For me, the human voice was/is the primordial instrument, and singing in the classical style is no more or less than using your vocal tract as it evolved to be used. It really isn't a coincidence that instruments tend to tie within the tessitura of a specific voice type, and rarely do they play outside the human vocal range. I wonder if you truly dislike vocal music, or if you dislike the singers you've come across. If all you ever heard were violinists playing badly, you'd naturally assume you hate the sound of the violin.

I actually somewhat the opposite of you: I strongly prefer vocal music, but I can listen to instrumental music if it's highly programmatic. A piece like "Piano Sonata No 45" might fail to grip me, but I listened to "Also sprach Zarathustra" at the gym last week. Perhaps there's something about "fiat music" that my brain just doesn't like lol.

>>127456542
kill yourself right now.

>>127456542
What do you mean by Fiat music?

>>127456167
What nonsense are you babbling about now? Besides hot pink was cool in the 80s

>>127456542
>It really isn't a coincidence that instruments tend to tie within the tessitura of a specific voice type
Yes and I like how cellists can imitate singing, it sounds beautiful. But I just can't immerse myself in most vocal music. I like some of it, for example select arias from Matthew Passion are probably my favorite, and as much as I like Wagner's overtures, his vocal music always turns me off. I've tried many singers, many recordings, so it's not their flaw but mine.
> piece like "Piano Sonata No 45" might fail to grip me, but I listened to "Also sprach Zarathustra" at the gym last week.
Exact opposite for me. I think giving titles to pieces can blind listener's ears and judgement to the musical substance. This is why Chopin refused to give titles to his pieces. The publisher did, to Chopin's dissatisfaction. There was a quote, by Schumann I think, about this issus, I can't seem to find it.

So I think the inherent programmatic nature of vocal music is another major turn off for me.

This is an awful thread.

>>127456753
I was joking, comparing absolute music to Fiat currency. Just as fiat currency has no tangible value, absolute music has no tangible inspiration to point to.

>>127456760
That's fascinating, what do you not like about it? Are there specific aspects or does the overall experience leave you dissatisfied somehow? Maybe I'll record Schubert instead, see if you like him better.
>So I think the inherent programmatic nature of vocal music is another major turn off for me.
Would you say that the thing you like about absolute music is that it can be anything; mean anything? Does music that is absolutely about something feel restrictive to you, as if you're being forced to think or feel a certain thing, instead of deciding them for yourself? I am autistic; uncertainty and ambiguity make me very uncomfortable. Perhaps that is reflected in my musical tastes. When I go about learning a new piece, there might be a million different ways I can effect its overall emotional direction. But I'm guided through the process by context, tradition, experience, etc. What would feel like chains to you feel like guide rails to me.

>>127456911
>absolute music has no tangible inspiration to point to.

get a load of this absolutely retarded tourist.

"The world is about music, but music is not about the world."

>>127456939
forgot the pic.

>>127456939
I see what he’s saying actually. Whereas that quote is just some cute wordplay The world is not about music at all

>>127456826
every single thread here is awful because of a mixture of underages and unmedicated mentally ill

>>127456977
also you're here

>>127456944
Schopenhauer was wrong on this. It's just a mystification of the fact that the connection between the expressive effects of music and its craft is less marked than in more legible arts.

>>127456974
there is only will and representation and music is the will itself.

>>127456998
music is a greater language than language itself.

>>127457054
It’s really not. This is another “sounds deep on the surface quote”. Try asking for directions to the nearest library in music.

>>127457054
Yeah, that's what I mean by mystification. They're all just different symbolic systems and that they elicit different responses from people doesn't prove that one of them occupies some special place as a kind of prima materia. People have made similar arguments about the primacy of the word or the logos based on their own moral preferences and you would be powerless to refute them as those arguments are based on a similar analogy of the effects of legible arts enlarged to the structure of reality.

>>127456999
Speak on that

>>127457077
if you don't live and breathe the sentiment expressed in that quote then you don't belong on /classical/

>>127457190
I noticed you used words for this and not music

>>127457180
music is a type of symbolic geometry. if you know you know.

>>127457239
Intriguing

any music that cures cancer?

>>127456911
>what do you not like about it? Are there specific aspects or does the overall experience leave you dissatisfied somehow?
It's really hard to say. It could be purely coincidental, or something innate. I'd say a bit of both. What's even more confusing are the few exceptions, such as Erbarme Dich (performed by female, and NOT HIP), which I love.
>Would you say that the thing you like about absolute music is that it can be anything; mean anything?
Maybe. I think the emotions we feel in music are categorically incompatible with emotions we feel with words or our sight.
But I don't tend to 'imagine' things when I listen to music at all. Unless it's hard for me to connect to a piece, then I'm trying my best to imagine what composer might have intended to convey.
>I am autistic; uncertainty and ambiguity make me very uncomfortable.
I might be autistic myself, I scored in the upper asperger range. And while uncertainty sometimes makes me irritated, it doesn't apply to music I'm familiar with. But now that I think about it, the better I know a piece (thematically, structurally), the more I like it. So by repeated listenings, I get rid of any sort of ambiguity there could've been, and thus I appreciate the music more. But there is no ambiguity in something like (most of) Beethoven sonatas, Chopin ballades, Mozart piano concertos etc. I understand them front to back, I can recall all themes, I can feel the inevitability and structural excellence. What else is there to understand?

best recording of the complete Hungarian Rhapsodies (piano)?

>>127457700
Sample a piece or two from the Campanella and Szidon sets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eW5A8mVsJM&list=OLAK5uy_mTyhLEntOUyy6LmhrtODuyW2UkRRYauGk&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29b1Ds__PlQ&list=OLAK5uy_mO_345bhXAcbfky9Puy_gi6tZTjSwPnQo&index=2

Personally I find the Campanella one more straightforwardly beautiful and the Szidon one more... funky, lol. So it's up to your taste.

inb4 the leslie howard anon

Also while pulling those links, I just discovered another acclaimed set performed by Vicenzo Maltempo which I'm gonna check out today. If you wanna try that,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nukaIKc22rg&list=OLAK5uy_kMlzvVSChLKj1Qu-U9Gbd6UhoXnNPmOVg&index=2

enjoy!

>>127457218
and?

What is the best Bruckner adagio? 7th?

>>127457912
Yeah, that's probably my personal favourite.

>>127457912
The third movement of the 9th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzvrQ714omk&list=OLAK5uy_kIYY6I2xQ6x4SxHjdn6_6gf1DUbIw9FDY&index=3

>>127457883
What more do you want?

>>127457592
I went to the doctor recently and he pulled out a flugelhorn and started playing a series of toccatas, allemandes and passacaglias but I couldn’t work out what he was trying to tell me. It was only when I went to a second doctor who used word language that I found out he was trying to tell me I had inoperable rectal cancer

>>127457592
Rachmaninoff symphony no.2

Are the recordings on Bach333 any good? Considering downloading it, but it's like 100gb.

>>127451065 (OP)
The rentry.org guide is pretty shit. Why are we using it instead of the old pastebin, which has way more resources? The pastebin has the exact same MEGA downloads as the rentry guide, plus way more info.
https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh

Some of the MEGA links are pretty shit/trolled, but that's a problem on both.

>>127458631
ty, edited the rentry. previously the pastebin in the OP was nonfunctional so that must be a different one.

>>127458645
Thanks fren.

If someone wants to effortfag it'd be worthwhile to update the MEGA downloads and remove troll shit like Aeroplane. Idk how long those downloads have been depreciated, or if they were never fleshed out to begin with.

Listen to the beautiful music of Paul Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzw2v5rtoPU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HRBS1lQy7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1diq5bem0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoDBxrMrBgw

>>127458711
>beautiful

now playing

start of Haydn: Piano Sonata in E flat major, H.XVI:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlyGVIrcpC0&list=OLAK5uy_khVee6Z2NcDeRN_ndrcDB9DQH3ri8SoFg&index=67

start of Haydn: Piano Sonata in D major, H.XVI:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRM53bhucAU&list=OLAK5uy_khVee6Z2NcDeRN_ndrcDB9DQH3ri8SoFg&index=70

start of Haydn: Piano Sonata in A flat, Hob. XVI:46
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krt1LiY0J6Q&list=OLAK5uy_khVee6Z2NcDeRN_ndrcDB9DQH3ri8SoFg&index=73

start of Haydn: Piano Sonata in G minor, H.XVI No.44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOLLho5Pbhc&list=OLAK5uy_khVee6Z2NcDeRN_ndrcDB9DQH3ri8SoFg&index=75

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_khVee6Z2NcDeRN_ndrcDB9DQH3ri8SoFg

>Haydn was not a pianist of any distinction, nor a very successful composer of instrumental concertos, but his piano sonatas--and there are more than 60 of them--are much finer than those of Mozart, who was one of his era's greatest keyboard virtuosos. The reason for this is simple. Mozart wrote his keyboard concertos for himself and his sonatas for students. Haydn, on the other hand, was constantly stimulated to write piano music for gifted amateurs, though in those days amateurs were often as good as the professionals, particularly women for whom a concert career was out of the question. This is great music then, charming but never trivial, and John McCabe plays it with impressive style and vigor. --David Hurwitz

>>127458895
Immensely so

>>127458912
Not sure what this has to do with /classical/. Maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?

>>127458928
This is mu little niglet

>>127458964
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try posting on >>>/mu/ instead?

>>127458974
I accept your concession little sister

Scriabin's piano sonatas are more immediately pleasurable and exciting, but Prokofiev's piano sonatas contain more emotional depth and superior form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPX1TEfhlw0

>127458964
>127458987
3.5/10 I'd give you a 2 but someone was actually retarded enough to give you a (You)

>>127458896
>Haydn
>post 1750 music or pre 1875 music
>David "house n3gro" Hurwitz
This post is very anti-platonic to say the least.

>>127458999
>more emotional depth and superior form
That's a very roundabout way of saying they're more primitive than Scriabin's

>>127458999
Never seen a more retarded post on classical than this one, well done

>>127459051
>>127459058
t. scriabincels

>>127459075
t. slaveslop worshipper

>>127459045
All right mate, concession accepted. Now let it go, will ya?

3/10 needs variation

>>127458999
>Scriabin's piano sonatas are more immediately pleasurable and exciting,
Hmmm

>>127459098
yes?

>>127459110
whats up?

>>127459140
wazzuuuuuuuuup

Scriabin and Prokofiev are both good. And both inferior to Chopin and Beethoven.
nuff said.

>>127459183
>nuff said.
good, then be quiet from now on

>>127451228
Mentally ill faggot

>>127451228
I thought he was surprisingly good actually. I was surprised, there was a couple of pieces I liked

>>127459264
>animetranny likes mentally ill faggot
news at 11

>>127459264
>>127459284
it's a Nicotranny reference

>>127459288
I don't give a shit

>>127459284
Sir, this is an anime website

>>127459327
>>>/a/

>>127459284
the whole "tranime" thing was started by actual discord trannies, that tried to gaslight 4chan into hating anime, because they didn't like that evil 4channers liked anime, so actually the anime haters were the real trannies all along (obviously).

>>127459366
Now tell us something new.

>>127459366
I don't give a shit

>>127459382
too bad, cry about it.

>>127459385
why

>>127459382
>she admits she's trans
beautiful, what an hero

>>127459333
You don't even recognise the relationship between classical and anime do you?

by the way, Chopin is the most masculine music you can listen to.

now playing

start of Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsodies, S.244
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TvxudWIeOs&list=OLAK5uy_kMlzvVSChLKj1Qu-U9Gbd6UhoXnNPmOVg&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMlzvVSChLKj1Qu-U9Gbd6UhoXnNPmOVg

>Maltempo’s Liszt Rhapsodies: Very Close to Ideal ---- Jed Distler, ClassicsToday

then one community reviewer headlines with,
>In summary, this is a thoughtful, sensitive set that is an attractive alternative to the more dramatic Szidon

nice. Also in that review, they state Maltempo made "a considerable reputation for himself [...] with his comprehensive, and much admired, survey of the piano works of Alkan." Neat, I'll have to check that out later too.

>>127459402
k

Chopin is true masculine music, that is why women will never truly understand Chopin, they might "enjoy" his melodies, but they can never truly understand them.

>>127459419
kek good one

>>127459438
>they might "enjoy" his melodies,
but that's all he has...?

>>127459446
t. woman

>>127459452
oh shi---

these threads would be a whole lot better if they were put into an historical perspective. instead, thread after thread, a blackout on its past (classical) to rewrite its history (classical) has been the undertaking of a select few change-agents. it is therefore my notion that the OP should contain anime or some mention of it otherwise we run the risk of forgetting the beginning of classical music, and that risk runs great; for, if the change-agents have their way, classical will continue to be perverted and sickened upon by malign interests whose goal is the destruction of beauty and grace itself.

there are degrees of intent and, in this instance, i'd argue the perpetrators are not fully aware of what it is that they are doing. this form of not-knowing is the product of an individual swapping out his autonomy in favor of instruction based mind control from a hierarchical power structure. a great example is to imagine a door to door salesman. he not only adopts and elicits an attitude, and thus behavior, beneficial to his organization but also tries to capture others into its framework. the same thing has happened to the breadmaker whose wanton lack of respect shows little, if any, sign of stopping: the OP has exclusded any mention or recognition of anime's relationship with classical music in its pic and body for the last seven threads. that may not seem like a big issue to some, especially athiests, but those with experience in metaphysics will know just how crucial a foundation is to its structure.

>>127459446
Yeah, that's all composers have in general. No one has harmony or counterpoint, it's all just melodies

>>127459590
Bach doesn't have any melodies, unless you count
Dee dee dee dee duh duh duh duh dah dah dah dah duh duh duh duhX infinity

as a melody. All he has is harmony and counterpoint

>>127459620
This is supposed to be Beethoven's most innovative composition. You may be listening to it right now. Does any of it actually grab you? I'm a jazz, metal, third-stream and classical composer of 27 years, and all I'm hearing is 'diddly diddly diddly RAAAA, tiddly tiddly pom, plonky-plonky-PLONK, plonky-plonky PLONK, diddly diddly diddly pom POM pom POM pom POMMMMM..' - does this stuff really relate to your deepest self?

>>127459558
That .gif makes me remember this one time I was so hungry that I barged in on this Pacific Islander local Christmas party that was happening at an administrative building, after eating a bunch of the food I was asked if I wanted to get in a dancing line and dance traditionally alongside the males, and when we were in the hallway all of us in line waiting to get the dance line going, I asked what moves we were gonna do, and if they could show me quick, and the guy in front of me got mad on the second ask and gesticulate for me to get out of the line so I did. Watching Dub in that video makes me realize at some point they were probably gonna defer to me and do whatever I was doing, like I was their leader hahaha

>>127459750
brother I would be a fool to read this post and you would be a fool to expect me to

>>127459620
There is no such thing as 'harmony' or 'counterpoint', just multiple melodies at the same time. Music is just melodies and nothing else.

>>127459775
Who's the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?

>>127459790
>Music is just melodies and nothing else.
Music is literally just pitch, volume, and timbre

>>127459812
you forgot riddim

>>127459800
You

>>127459854
Perceived patterns in the presence and absence of volume through time.

>>127459544
ah yes, forgetting the fundamental relationship between classical and anime, isn't it? haven't seen you in a while, schizo-anon

now playing

start of Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 3 "Pastoral"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSOw4LwcGyY&list=OLAK5uy_nYcxEoi2OEr2C5RSx0aI3_dZ5vzqNtGp0&index=2

start of Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 4 in F Minor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTiXTZHoYOI&list=OLAK5uy_nYcxEoi2OEr2C5RSx0aI3_dZ5vzqNtGp0&index=6

Vaughan Williams: Saraband "Helen"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Z_YpiY10k&list=OLAK5uy_nYcxEoi2OEr2C5RSx0aI3_dZ5vzqNtGp0&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nYcxEoi2OEr2C5RSx0aI3_dZ5vzqNtGp0

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTyuVUOwXCw
Wow! Hidden gem.

>>127459075
>music with sexual undertones
>incel
Get a load of this faggot

>>127459977
I'd rather not

>>127451065 (OP)
Were there any good classical musicians from England and if so who would you recommend? From what I've heard most of the great pieces were from the continent.

>>127460748
Best and/or most notable ones are:
Elgar
Byrd
Vaughan Williams
Tallis
Walton
Purcell

>>127460748
Bull
Dowland
Tallis
Byrd
Gibbons
Holborn
Purcell
Purcell (the other one)
Blow
Litolff
Alvars
Parry
Bax
Elgar
Vaughan Williams
Delius
Bridge
Holst
Foulds
Tippett
Britten
Ireland
Brian

>>127460748
Greatest English composer, to no surprise, was German, born in Germany in German family.
But yes there are a few noteworthy British composers(Holst, Elgar, Purcell), but no great composers. Only Germany, Russia, France and Italy could produce actual musical geniuses. But I don't see the point of listening to music based on composer's ethnicity/nationality, just listen to what's good.
If you're looking for an opera, then it might make more sense.

>>127460845
ok slave

>>127460845
>Russia
LOL

>>127460845
True.

>>127460845
>let me disparage this ethnicity and gush over these others
>but haha it's not like ethnicity matters haha
>>127460859
samefag
(inb4over9000hsinmspaint)

>>127460871
I didn't disparge any ethnicity, I stated an objective truth. Some schools managed to achieve greatness, others didn't. It's not that complicated.
Also take your meds.

>>127460777
>>127460828
Thanks.
>>127460845
>But I don't see the point of listening to music based on composer's ethnicity/nationality
I'm composing for a game where the villain is a bong so I wanted to take inspiration from classical music from there.

>>127460881
>objective
proof:

Anyone here ever listen to Albert Roussel? Is he any good?

>>127460908
His 2nd and 3rd symphonies are good
Le Festin de l'araignée is good

uhhh i haven't really heard much else

>>127460881
>my shit opinions are OBJECTIVE! TRUTH!!
>b-but take your meds haha you're crazy haha

>>127460882
Makes sense. I would take inspiration from folk music much like how some of the composers did. I'd say Vaughan Williams has the most distinctly 'English' feel to it, also.
>>127460893
>>127460925
Meds.

>>127460882
Good luck. Elgar is probably the emblematic English composer of the outward-looking imperial Britain while Vaughan Williams was part of the so-called pastorialist school, more parochially English and used folk song in his composition. Dependant on the character you're writing for that may inform you.

>>127460918
What's he like? That is, if he can be compared to any of his contemporaries. Apparently he was neoclassical?

>>127460997
close to Franck in style (cyclical forms), and Debussy/Ravel in orchestration, but yeah later on he drifted more towards neoclassical

>>127460933
>>127460953
Thanks, I'll listen to some of Elgar and Williams' work. Honestly I don't even know what makes a piece distinctively English so I'm just going for a general dark European sound.

>>127461069
Think pastoral; think Shakespeare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR2JlDnT2l8

>>127451287
lewd

>>127461069
>Honestly I don't even know what makes a piece distinctively English
Vaughan Williams uses English folk tunes and church modes especially dorian, mixolydian, phrygian and aeolian, which were prevalent in English folk and tudor choral traditions (Byrd). Avoids functional harmony, resulting in floating, archaic-sounding phrases. Uses parallel fifths, fourths. It evokes a distinctly 'English' atmosphere. You'd have to study their scores to understand what's going on, I only know the surface level.
>>127461106
You're not helping.

>>127456167
Kek this also happened to the flute

>>127461204
kill yourself

>>127461250
Bold of you to assume I'm alive.

>>127461311
ok sure kill yourself

>>127461333
I cannot kill what's already dead

best Beethoven Piano Concerto cycle?

>>127461531
Szell Fleisher

>>127461345
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and after strange aeons even death may die.

>>127461345
>>127461810
a.k.a. kill yourself anyway

>>127460845
Of course The Planets is the greatest classical suite ever written so that's something

>>127461888
not even classical

>>127461923
Digits don't lie

>>127461972
3+3=65

>>127456939
That quote is constructed to sound profound, but in reality, it says nothing. You should not be so desperate to seem intelligent and cultured that you try to pilfer these things from wiser men.

>>127457681
Perhaps you dislike something about the male voice, then. There's no rule that says you absolutely have to like all aspects of something; maybe you should stop fighting against your own nature.
>I think the emotions we feel in music are categorically incompatible with emotions we feel with words or our sight.
This is a fascinating thing to say, because vocal music is inextricably linked to the other senses. A poem or libretto might describe the beauty of a woman, the smell of wildflowers, the feeling of the sun on your skin, etc. I view music as a form of aesthetic beauty; it's not above or beyond any of the others, simply the one that speaks to me the most. I cried at seeing the norther lights, and felt humbled when I saw the Sistine Chapel. Those experiences were no different to me than listening to my favorite music.
>What else is there to understand?
You make an excellent point. Formal/structural ambiguity doesn't bother me in the slightest, in fact, I prefer through-composed music. It's the "existential ambiguity" that my brain dislikes, and prevents me from latching on to certain music. I was listening to the New World Symphony the other day, and my brain remembers all the themes, but not in the way yours does. "This is the part that sounds like cowboys riding down a dusty trail" and "now comes the part that feels like a fleet of ships setting sail" and so on.

ok so what's the difference between 6/8 and 3/2 I mean they're the same fraction why would a composer choose one above the other

>>127462257
>3/2
3/4*

>>127462257
might depend if ink is a concern

>>127462113
That's not a particuarly long post anon

>>127462283
"too long" means "much longer than it *should* be", not "particularly long regardless of context"

>>127462290
maybe if you're retarded

>>127462389
No, that's literally what "too" means in that sentece. It's an adverb. It modifies and conditions the adjective.

this any good?

>>127462463
>>>/lit/

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-De4rbXiWU

>>127462463
>anglo author writing about the soviet union
Probably revisionist propaganda.

>>127462549
pravda, tovarishch

>>127462549
commie

>>127460855
>Starmer
KOEK.

>>127462586
that's dutch for cookie

>>127461888
not even in the top 100

>>127462593
top 100 what

bassoons kinda look like bongs

>>127462677
they sound like it too if the player doesnt utilize the spit valve

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJpzpwqJAJE

>>127462684
I heard that happen but with a trumpet. Wasn't pleasant let me tell ya

I love how much like a chud Stravinsky looks
>tonality has fallen
>millions must listen to Agon

>>127462917
should've died in 1919

>>127462917
>Stravinsky’s antisemitism was bound up with his right-wing, anti-communist, pro-fascist politics. As a Russian of aristocratic origins, he was deeply opposed to the Russian Revolution, which he “resented as a Jewish plague, the work of ‘Braunstein (Trotsky).’” He admired Mussolini and fascism.

>When he grew concerned that his music was not being performed in Nazi Germany, he wrote to his Russian publisher that he was “surprised to have received no proposals from Germany for next season [1934], since my negative attitude toward communism and Judaism—not to put it in stronger terms—is a matter of common knowledge.” A few years later, when the Nazis had banned his music, consigning it to the category of Entartete Musik (Degenerate Music), Stravinsky protested by affirming his opposition to “Jewish cultural Bolshevism.”

>>127463158
should've died in 1919

why doesn't Perahia have an Art of Fugue or Well-Tempered Clavier recording? weak

>>127463251
Because you touch yourself at night

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEJVA9nyxFM&list=OLAK5uy_kWjf8pvAbBdQbpDYfS04p7vNT9QU7DCHw&index=90

>>127463343
didn't know Joe Wilkinson could play

Hello Anons, I assume you're listening to everything before 1750 and stuff after1874 right? No Alberti faggotry or over-dramatic slop like Schumann, Chopin or Brahms?

>>127463251
what made him a pariah?

>>127463424
his dad, and his dad before him

>>127463450
painfully mid

is this the Beethoven cycle I've been searching for? perhaps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2yePSdThWM&list=OLAK5uy_nF9e-0tZgsPc_NlUKdacw0TFr7QyXCJR8&index=13

warning: slow tempos

>>127463343
nice

>>127463374
Look nothing alike.

>>127463459
Stop gooning

>>127463624
>she's not mid she's gorgeous and hot and uhhnnn
sounds like you're the gooner here, anon

>>127463591
you're a disingenuous twat who needs to let a joke be a joke

>>127463847
>Saar thinks all white people look the same

>>127463818
She is above average. Stop gooning to anime, you zesty spiceboy.

>>127464129
wow

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3UJpbolVs0

>>127464163
>above average
I am honestly and genuinely sorry for you if you actually believe that. Get better.

>>127464129
they look the fucking same bro
>>127464292
>octagona glasses
pretty based not gonna lie

>>127464437
>they look the fucking same bro
This is what happens when you listen to Mozart instead of Bach and everything after 1750

>>127464437
>they look the fucking same bro
Ok, you win, king. Have a cookie.

>>127464594
BABNA

Dvořák
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31PAczYIAiY

>>127464594
>This is what happens
you gain the ability to recognize traits?

>>127464651
>Ok, you win, king.
I gracefully accept your concesion.

>>127464651
BABIAA

>>127464757
The fucking beard is only the same, one man looks more Anglo-Celt, the other one is more central/southerner euro type,

AUTISM

SLTM(stop listening to Mozart)

oh it's the moronic shtick spammer, should've said so before

>>127464933
No I just chimed in
>>127464594
>>127464914
These are mine. I'm chiming in because you have legitimate issues with recognizing faces, This could be cured by listening to more Fugues and Viola Da gamba pieces from the court of Louis XIV

>>127464914
Ives sucks thoughbeit

>>127465049
Agree to disagree, even though you are wrong and Ives is a platonically moral composer and much better than Romantislop and Classishit music

Anal with Mozart. Oral with Bach

Who do you choose anon?

>>127465075
We need a 2025 version of Central Park in the dark

Händel
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi_AuLMX9rU

>>127465100
If there is one, the koji Kondo is the one too do it,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdWZwFz3id4&list=RDFdWZwFz3id4&start_radio=1

>>127465137
>Japanese composer
>Ganondorf is the villain
>His theme is inspired the great American “classical” piece

Here are some objective rankings of composers periods, You can disagree and make your own but you'll be wrong.

Debussy
>Early>Late>Middle
Beethoven
>Late>Middle>Early
Bach
>Late=Middle=Early
Mozart
>ick=eww=shit
Stravinsky
>Early>Middle>Late

The yng Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2Zl1pwCLg&si=Tx5ISiropec-iKMc

>>127465158
...yeah?

>>127465158
Japanese are still seething about the bombs. Not that the funko-pop collecting American weebs care. To them: Anime is Japan and Japan is Anime.

>>127465187
What a strange string of things to say

>>127465198
We need to put tariffs on anime and j/k-pop.

>>127465264
cool, add tariffs to your internet access while you're at it

>>127465290
Tariffs on anime? Good idea. About time you manchildren started contributing to the national coffers.

>>127465305
you're replying to the wrong post, mutt

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTLf1Z1OfcA

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-rlLWZGGTk

Hindemith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bTDMr8w6qE

Handel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3TUWU_yg4s

>>127465448
I like how quickly and smoothly it fluctuates from an implied major to minor and back. Fun little piece.

What's the best genre and why is it Piano Concerto?

>>127466197
What's your kind of fallacy and whi is it a loaded question?

new
>>127466534
>>127466534
>>127466534

>>127462066
>maybe you should stop fighting against your own nature.
I think the most rewarding feelings come from gradual and slow understanding of things rather than instant gratification. And some things click later than others. For example I was filtered by Bach before I properly started getting into classical, now I can't get enough of his (instrumental) music. Even vocal and choral music.
>it's not above or beyond any of the others,
This is getting philosiphical and it would be very interesting to discuss in person, but rather boring typing it all out. For the record I disagree, I think our auditory senses can give us more rich and colorful aesthetical experience than our visual senses, in most cases that is. It probably varies person by person as well, to some degree.
>but not in the way yours does.
I'm intrigued. I don't really remember that sort of stuff, since I don't even think about it. What I remember are melodic lines, harmony, texture, dynamics, structure etc. Music almost always plays in my mind, whether I'm listening to it or not. I feel satisfied just imagining it, giving it my interpretation even.
>>127466197
Tru. Music would lose most of its value without Rachmaninoff, Mozart, Brahms and Prokofiev piano concertos

>>127466545
Why so early

>>127465166
>Debussy
>>Early>Late>Middle
Which pieces fall into which?