Thread 127452237

Why do people keep shitting on Ozzy for selling out to grunge and nu-metal with Ozzmosis and Down to Earth but selling out to MTV hair metal with Ultimate Sin, No Rest for the Wicked and No More Tears was apparently okay?

>>127452237 (OP)
I don't hear anything grunge or nu-metal like about this. It's definitely got a 90s production and aesthetic, but still not quite grunge. Maybe something adjacent like 90s GNR and Faith No More - Angel Dust has a similar aesthetic, but they weren't grunge either.

>>127452237 (OP)
Guys in their 30s could adapt to glam metal with a bit of tweaking but middle-aged dudes doing grunge or nu metal is just outright cringe

Grunge was Seattle music. Not all 90s rock.
And hell, barely that. Some Seattle bands weren't grunge either. Pearl Jam wasn't grunge like Mudhoney or something.

>>127452237 (OP)
90s alt rock radio played the song "Perry Mason" . They would play grunge bands but also Metallica. This was just the times/environment. Alice in Chains is kind of the common thread. It's all just rock music and some journoscum decided the genre names.

>>127452566
>decided the genre names
Grunge was just basically a shitpost from some Subpop guy when a journa asked him about Seattle. It just stuck.
But there was a distinctive sound to Seattle that was like 1 part metal 1 part punk. And Ozzy was not trying to do that.

Grunge is a social construct.

>>127452282
Dumbass, that album isn't what OP is talking about.

He's talking about cringe ass Ozzfest

all "sell out" talk is retarded
don't like it, don't listen to it, simple as

>>127453453
Zoomers have to tell you what is cringe or not at all times

>>127453473
it's fun to blame zoomers but it has always been boomers and specially gen x who would never shut up about bands selling out

>no more queers
Based

>>127453485
>selling out
Did someone call me?

>>127452237 (OP)
face it
the guy would do anything for money
his wife even moreso

>>127453473
I've never heard anyone under 30 complain about a band selling out

>>127453534
Y does he have misfit tatoo what a poser

>>127452237 (OP)
>selling out to MTV hair metal
Randy Rhoads, Rudy Sarzo, Jake E. Lee, and Randy Castillo all came from the hair metal scene.

>>127452322
Pearl Jam was grunge and Mudhoney was grunge. Just different styles of grunge.

>>127453602
Zakk Wylde as well, his pre-Ozzy band sounded like fucking Autograph

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUzbJaJbW2E&

>>127453602
Randy Rhoads came from quiet riot you retard

>>127452237 (OP)
Shut up, turbo faggot. Ultimate Sin is one of Ozzy’s best.

>>127453692
Yes? Quiet Riot was the originators of Hair Metal together with Don Dokken and Van Halen.

>>127453994
not the point retard.

>>127454023
Mike Inez was in both Alice in Chains ("grunge") and Ozzy's band ("metal") so is it really that different?

>>127452585
>that was like 1 part metal 1 part punk.
except it is not, it lacks the hardness of punk and metal. It's just lame and boring. No wonder it killed the rock star.

Sometimes I like to imagine that Randy and Ozzy switched places. Ozzys discography would be nigh on perfect in that case. But no. He had to live long enough to see himself become a trend hopping joke instead. Also Mr. Tinktertrain would not exist. If there is any song that turns me off from his post-1982 output more than any other its that thing.
>>127453602
Randy Rhoads heart was never in Hair Metal or any kind of Rock whatsoever. He wanted to leave Ozzy and the entire Rock scene shortly

>>127454549
The rock star culture deserved to die. Not that I really like Grunge per se but it was inadvertently based that way.

>>127455056
*Randy Rhoads heart was never in Hair Metal or any kind of Rock whatsoever. He wanted to leave Ozzy and the entire Rock scene shortly before his death.

>>127453673
I also heard that when he first joined Ozzy they wanted him to sound and play like John Sykes as much as humanly possible.

>>127452282
>Maybe something adjacent like 90s GNR
Guns & Roses yeah. Well a similar audience too? I'm thinking of my cousins who grew up in trailer parks and had Confederate flags. Ozzy's target audience were guys whose alcholic dads beat them with belts and work out their anger by forming metal bands with their friends. In California it's people who live on the other side of the mountains where the climate is harsher.

In the U.K. they'd be yobbos or whatever they call them over there. You could play Ozzy around bikers.
https://youtu.be/isnqz-aJe4c

>>127455056
>>127455076
He likely was going to go back to rock music eventually.

Per his best friend Kelli Garni
>We spoke about forming a band together after he had done the Ozzy thing. Randy was planning on studying classical guitar in England and after that, was really keen to do a heavy keyboard-oriented thing. We were both huge Deep Purple fans, so something like that or even like a heavier Boston or Styx. That's the way he was thinking then.

Tommy Aldridge also says that Randy had told him he wanted to work with Daisley and Kerslake again.

>>127455090
According to Zakk himself, Keith Olsen was brought in to the No Rest for the Wicked sessions specifically because they wanted to get a guitar sound as close to Sykes' on the Whitesnake '87 album as possible.

>>127455107
>He likely was going to go back to rock music eventually.
Not permanently.

>>127453661
Eddie Vedder was some surfer from Cali.

>>127452891
Ozzmosis is no different. Just making rock in the 90s suddenly doesn't make you Grunge.
It's the same thing with people calling every random band then as grunge.

>>127453661
Grunge was just boomer rock with punk sounds and without 5-minute blues solos

>>127452237 (OP)
They do?

>>127455056
Its not that Mr. Tinkertrain is in bad taste (I mean lol if you are offended then this is the wrong genre buddy) but that its just so damn corny like a lot of solo Ozzy tends to be. Its really lame as a villain song. I will never get it.
>>127454435
I think I read somewhere that Ozzy really liked the album Facelift a lot.
>>127453485
Actually its cringe millennials who were toddlers when stuff like the black album first dropped that took this kind of rhetoric the furthest once they discovered this kind of music through torrenting in the 2000s.

>>127455224
What happened is that Ozzy was already a middle aged legacy act by the 90s. Hence why he actually wanted to retire after No More Tears already. He realized he was already a dinosaur and felt it was cringe. But someone (hint hint) had other ideas and kept milking him till he croaked.

>>127454549
Except it was you gay fag
I'm an oldfag and was there when Grunge took over
I hated every bit of it and thought anyone who liked it was almost as gay as you are now
I was a metalhead "headbanger" then and witnessed the end of it all
But Grunge def had hevy ass guitars (metal) and stupid ass chords just because no talent (punk)

>>127457247
All Grunge really did was kill off corporate mainstream metal. The underground still thrived in the 90s and probably peaked back then even. But by the 2000s the underground oversaturated itself with gimmickry too and the well ran dry.

>>127457288
>All Grunge really did was kill off corporate mainstream meta
True, but it also forced me to listen to the "new thing' Grunge from my faggot ass friends who followed the trends
Then came the women rock movement Alanis No Doubt Hole cranberries etc that ruined guitar playing forever but that's for another thread

>>127453557
He used to date Danzig.