Thread 127460263

Larks' edition

A thread for extreme, abrasive, technical, progressive, or experimental rock-based music.
This means metal, hardcore, experimental rock, noise rock, and others.
Music that is mainstream, "alternative", novelty-driven, "proggy" but not progressive, or not primarily rock, is discouraged.
>Is [genre/band/album] fit for /xxr/?
If you have to ask, probably not.

Old: >>127381216

I'll stick with /prog/, thank you very much.

>>127460273
They're not supposed to overlap

>>127461287
Don't pick KC for this gen, then

>>127461287
This general overlaps with /prog/ and others, but does not completely encompass nor seek to replace them.
>>127461529
That's not me.

>>127461529
KC's sound would go beyond prog. Noise, math, avant, etc types of rock all owe a debt to their sound

>>127460263 (OP)
one of merzbow's favorite albums :)

>>127460273
>>127461287
>>127461529
I genuinely have no fucking clue what this general is trying to be whenever it shows up in the catalog.

Extreme/Experimental rock is already an insanely huge and vague category that could mean anything.
The thread OPs always say
>extreme, abrasive, technical, progressive, or experimental rock-based music.
>This means metal, hardcore, experimental rock, noise rock,

But these threads are like 95% exclusively metal. I'm not even coming into here as a metal hater since I like metal, but still. And even still, most of the metal I see posted here isn't even experimental or or progressive or whatever.
Other genres get posted (and they aren't shoo'd out) but they don't get engagement as much as metal does, and because the fucking topic of the OP is so vague we get fucking King Crimson as one OP and the previous OP was literal slam death metal.

What are these threads even supposed to be? Who the fuck is it for?

>>127462724
>Extreme/Experimental rock is already an insanely huge and vague category that could mean anything.
I said the same thing myself. This is a refugee three because /metal/ is a shitposting/spamming general at this point. I think it might as well be for any experimental/extreme music, not just rock.

>>127462766
*refugee thread

>>127462724
>>127462766
The threads get a lot of metal because I post in it the most, and I listen to a lot of metal. This started as a means of refuge from /metal/, but to give it its own purpose, I changed the boundaries to rock music pushing itself beyond mainstream rock sounds, structures, and forms. I don't think that's too vague, but I know there's a lot of gray area.
>we get fucking King Crimson as one OP and the previous OP was literal slam death metal
I think that's great. The Undeciphered album has slams and breakdowns but isn't slam, and even slamdeath (that isn't total novelty meme/wigger slam stuff) I think would fit.
So the focus of this general is for similar approaches and aspirations within rock and rock-based music. Check archives for past explanations.
>I think it might as well be for any experimental/extreme music, not just rock.
Were you the one posting Merzbow and calling Merzbeat a rock album?

Listening to Oxiplegatz against warnings, and my own better judgement.

How do you guys feel about Massacre?

Carbonized, weird stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em1CauPylDo

>>127465484
Never heard of it, but the tags and descriptions have me curious.

>>127465656
It's an incredible album, can totally recommend it.

>>127465877
Thanks, really enjoying it so far. Oddly funky and not as noisy as I expe-
>Corridor starts

>>127462724
metalheads are retarded, more news at 10

>>127462724
it was supposed to be a bunker for when the /bleep/ schizo wrecks /metal/ ‒ an idea I can totally get behind ‒ but it's too autistic even for my sperg ass

Just post some tunes and forget about the spergin

https://www.deathmetal.org/article/acquiring-the-taste-a-tour-through-progressive-rock-part-i/

https://www.deathmetal.org/article/king-crimson-larks-tongues-in-aspic-1973/

>>127470749
That's cool, I assumed the DMU guys would completely turn their noses at prog. I listened to and loved LTIA before I heard of ANUS and DMU, so this confirms there are objective qualities to music which can supercede subjective tastes and interpretations.

>>127472822
the super elitist death metalfags (on the internet critic side) who hate prog metal, melodic death metal and other "tainted" death metal and other shit genuinely and usually end up being huge prog, classical and jazz fags and other stuff, they just don't like it mixing with metal

>>127472864
>prog
yes
>classical and jazz
lol

download everything on this list
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/martians_egg/irregularity_error_knockout_or_200_most_demented__villainly_childish__grossly_illiterate_and_erraticly_obliterate__cunningly_circus_freakish_acty_and_pathologically_herky_jerky_lpep7/

just call it avant-rock general, confuse less people
thoughts on brianeno?

>>127460263 (OP)
What is this experimenting?

>>127472908
More of a broad experimental music list, but thank you.
>>127473020
>just call it avant-rock general, confuse less people
Too limiting. Experimentation and extremity can go hand in hand, and are two prongs on the fork of musical advancement, with technicality and progressive songwriting being some of the methods to sharpen and achieve each.
>thoughts on brianeno?
Great ambient. The only non-ambient album of his I've listened to is Another Green World, which is also great, but of course an art pop album.

>>127473020
Only thing extreme about Eno is his photoshop habits

>>127474326
lol
If he has experimental rock albums then it's fine, it doesn't have to be both.

>>127474103
his first two solo records have experimental and extreme moments. I love another green world but it doesn't really have that bite to it

I'm the guy that made the /prog/ thread, and I was going to create a thread dedicated to Maudlin of the Well, but I think it's more avant-garde metal than prog, even though the former is heavily inspired by King Crimson's Red and Larks'. Yes, I know I'm an autist.

>>127475299
Another band I keep hearing about and putting off, lol

>>127475299
Love motW/Kayo Dot. Interestingly, I've read a few interviews with Toby, and he mostly denies any influence of prog or jazz on his music. Always thought there was some Robert Wyatt influence there, but I guess not.

>>127476959
He gets all his musical influence from his dreams, unironically

>>127460263 (OP)
this is prog rock

>>127476959
Depends on the album, Blue Lambency and Coffins he considers his prog albums

KC, during that particular period, weren't a 'true' prog band the same way Genesis or Yes or ELP were. They were grouped with prog rock culturally, but musically, it was more like a prototype to 90s math rock/post-hardcore/post-rock/whatever that people simply didn't have a name for. But people still aren't ready for this discussion.

>>127477435
That's interesting. What did you think of the new album, by the way? I saw some people calling it (one of) his worst, but I actually really enjoyed it. I get that the textural droning stuff and the Khanate-isms aren't t for everyone, but some of it reminded me of Dowsing Anemone With Copper Tongue, which is my go-to Toby record.

I found this looking for avant-garde metal. It dips into a lot from rock and metal (doom, prog, groove, alternative, thrash, industrial), but it's quite a mess. One track is mostly electronics, sometimes with a guitar over it.
Not all experiments work. I'm gonna try their second album.

Well this is something different. Takes advantage of the programmed drums to make bizarre sounding beats on the kick drum.

>>127479527
Very mantra-like, and minimal with how elements are gradually added and removed. Tries to be eerie, and sometimes it works. I prefer this to the aimlessness of the first album.