Thread 127466534

Bach edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5jIVFDp8lc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9ZEtPWMOtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbVTxRicMGM

This thread is for the pseudo-intellectual discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgėn

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First for Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukX1ejo1Xnk

THIS IS MEDIEVAL MUSIC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YSCgKsvUeA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDTK6vLhzd4


THIS IS RENAISSANCE MUSIC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdqoLEyFG-o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gVapS7XeAM


THIS IS MANNERISTIC MUSIC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnTjhQkgCD8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7QJr2xsVyM


THIS IS BAROQUE MUSIC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6tCzmyy2Cc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=773F18XhaTo


THIS IS ROCCOCO MUSIC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jio1HP94R8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGfaoiHL6i4


THIS IS ILLUSTRISTIC MUSIC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-TrAvp_xs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbf1LVE4UKM


THIS IS ROMANTICISTIC MUSIC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4ImL0Rblk8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=891JUSQplzU


THIS IS MODERNISTIC MUSIC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAnXTHUU4ks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ2Hz53wzuA


THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS «CLASSICAL MUSIC».

second fo Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzw2v5rtoPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHo8igW6qb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iXUeUDEWvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAAmPNV_4B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGsSeAhVMTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92tVdEKd6hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsSd6P3J_aM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttFjGOfqYgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA8BuCVBOW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW_EfiES8_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGlaCmMmTEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Yx8DCbH-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLkNM1NUkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZkX9huvKw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wK7BV0su4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpgYJhpcL8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7c8SFS9Lxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEDpcdx5ppk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS--K3dPHzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx9itohCcBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6vxqnnEwiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-NZS9DrY4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p3NQ1_wvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPgmUji_bBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHo5CMqNEDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9o6UG52FTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoIPU5bY0kU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDRMkYW7lFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWcXVMheFh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_YrDOH9ECg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-EI9G9l_aY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhyQH8inhH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1BOv7txO6U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGgW0wF96Ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y33yE8OBmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-dbA56Dl4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntj3YQdzRac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgrhL0z6ZEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j1-sy1Q7T4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Iwqb5NxQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpussBdoS2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGPIGMeEObA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HRBS1lQy7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1diq5bem0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoDBxrMrBgw

This is the GOAT English composer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoX9YMzhaYU

>>127466673
he was born and raised and came of age and become a grownass adult in Germany

>>127466743
Yes sir

Hello, friends.

>>127466743
wait until he learns where the English language comes from.

>>127466834
It comes from five different places at different times in history, and one of those places comes from another two different places. English is a clown language and should always be disrespected.

>>127466834
nope

>>127466868
Ja, Das ist rechts. Дa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nvj3d5jpa4

The joke was that the English had to appropriate a German conductor

>>127467357
*composer rather

>>127467357
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, very funny, guy

>>127467357
>>127467357
Um, I didn’t get the joke because I am a real stickler for the truth because I am aut-ACK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Baroque_composers

the last one wasn't even bumplimit, baka

>>127465166
>Debussy
>>Early>Late>Middle
Which pieces fall into which?

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCzIca4peF8

can someone here please explain why the 17th to 19th centuries were basically a dark age for English music? I suspect it has something to do with Puritanism (aka ISIS for white people).

>>127467459
There’s always an excuse

Scott on the Ross
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nfJ-SumxPI

reading Mailer while listening to Mahler

>>127467934
Are you Jewish?

I'm beginning to worry that the qualities of performances I think I like aren't actually the ones my ears enjoy.

>>127468242
>qualities of performances I think I like
Such as?

>>127468366
Broad tempos, sentimental indulgence. I read descriptions of a recording and my brain becomes interested, then I listen to it and I find myself changing to something else before I've gotten through even a fifth of the piece. Then another day I decide to give what my brain thinks is a performance I won't like as much a try, aka one played faster, with a lithe, taut approach and an understated, let-the-music-speak-for-itself viewpoint, and I end up enjoying the entire thing. Of course, there are some elements I think I don't like which my ears genuinely do not enjoy, so those I'm right about, but yeah.

now playing

Chopin: Berceuse in D-Flat Major, Op. 57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da73vlKzqU8&list=OLAK5uy_mQwPp29Rc_hPl7QQhXVKWwGALe_QiGrmI&index=2

start of Chopin: Nocturnes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQHPhdGLEQM&list=OLAK5uy_mQwPp29Rc_hPl7QQhXVKWwGALe_QiGrmI&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mQwPp29Rc_hPl7QQhXVKWwGALe_QiGrmI

This pianist, Pascal Amoyel, has some other recordings I like, and I was listening to one right before this when I decided to check out their discography and discovered they had a recording of Chopin's Nocturnes, so of course I have to give it a try.

i love Liszt but i'm starting to think his Hungarian Rhapsodies are virtusoslop. we'll see

Ugorskaja's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuTEA101ulw&list=OLAK5uy_kbhHSbqBix_nuXESX9f_oA4GcBbdwDWMU&index=35

>>127468697
you're slop.

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but for pianists of /classical/ (or anyone who'd know the answer): how difficult is it to identically match the performance of someone else? I was just thinking, if this isn't too difficult, then why aren't there modern 'remakes' of classic releases so you get the old interpretation with the benefits of upgraded sound and production? Or is this much, much harder than I imagine, if not impossible? Is every performance in some sense unique and impossible to remake note-for-note?

>>127468850
why are you retarded and gay?

I have to say, I've come to slightly dislike Beethoven's cadenza for Mozart's 20th piano concerto. It's interesting on it's own but it doesn't really slot in that well with the rest of the piece and feels more like a display of virtuosity over artistic depth. What do you guys think?

Is the Sims 1 soundtrack considered classical?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=399YneFTwh0&list=PL28035C5306F62897&index=1&ab_channel=andyserkis

>>127468052
>>127468824
>>127468885
Why are all your posts so shit-it's like the sisterposter all over again

>>127469287
cry about it you nigger. the gate must be kept shut.

>>127469287
it's just some old-fashioned, 4chan-style insecurity-bred hostility

>>127349199
hello, sisters. i came back in search of long symphonies yet again.
all 30m+ reccs welcome.

>>done
>Cello Concerto in B Minor, Op. 104, B. 191: I. Allegro
>From the Bohemian Forest, Op. 68, B. 182: No. 5, Silent Woods
>Rondo in G Minor, Op. 94, B. 181
>BEETHOVEN: Symphony No.6 in F major, Op.68/NDR-Sinfonieorchester/GUNTER WAND
beautiful in the middle and later mvts. my penchant for 9th may have affected this evaluation.
>Reinhold Glière - Symphony No.3 in B-minor, Op.42 "Ilya Muromets" (1911)
first half of the second and third mvts are sublime. reminds me of when i listened to Jeux D'eau for the first time.
>Schmidt - 4th Symphony
>Shostakovich - 11th Symphony
damn, goes really well with God and his people waging war against Benjamin and his descendants, with his dying.
>Taneyev - 4th Symphony
>Jongen - Symphony op.81
gyatt. i love the first mvt and i don't know why. goosebumps on fourth, very nice arpeggiation on organ.
>Albert Roussel - Padmâvatî, Op.18 (1918) {Live}

>>backlog
>Bach - Mass in B minor, BWV 232 / Remastered (Century's recording: Hermann Scherchen)

>>progress
Jonathan almost died from tasting the honey, sacrileging the oath he and his people made with big G, but the people rescued him because there'd be no one else to save them if he died.

>>2¢'s
oh yeah, i forgot to clarify. reccs get bumped above threadly posts i find.
also, i will finish listening to ALL reccs, no matter if it's today, a week, or a month from now. i will finish them eventually, as long as you don't 4'33" me, or other god-smite-worthy equivalents. absurd duration doesn't matter, as long as it's a single symphony; go nuts on that front.
last 2w has been really busy, but i sneaked in a couple of 30m sessions here and there. not enough to eradicate the backlog though, hence the the long wait since my last post.

>>127469364
I will make a proper reply to your post in twelve hours.

>>127468850
Not a pianist but it's hard. Not only is it hard but impossible by nowday standards when pianists are expected to play larger repertoire, in the process butchering most of the stuff they play. This anon explained it perfectly here:
https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/127338667/#127351079
I don't think there's any pianist who would study a single etude for 12+ years to perfection, especially something tricky like 25/6.
Also many interpreters want to be unique, which is a good thing, except they don't pay attention to important details, probably because they aren't familiar with older recordings in the first place.

>>127469297
lol if there is going to le gatekeeping it'll be done by people who actually listen to classical music and contribute to the general. Not little fags like who just reflexively post '1 sentence shitposts to everthing but otherwise have nothing to say

>>127469274
it's a good video game OST and composed by classically trained people

>>127469761
>Claims to be non autistic sex haver
>"tfw my favorite composer is Mozart"

>>127469761
>Claims to be a non autistic sex haver
>Posts on /classical/

>>127469761
>mozart listeners
>having sex
Funniest shit I heard all week on /classical/

>>127469761
Moshart fags are so pathetic holy shit

now playing

start of Haydn: Quartet, Op. 33 No. 1, Hob. III:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz254WnXKxE&list=OLAK5uy_mUDSZlNXSw_RXXs7JdVBXJVSb6OhBQ3JM&index=2

start of Haydn: Quartet, Op. 33 No. 2, Hob. III:38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyYEEQ5602w&list=OLAK5uy_mUDSZlNXSw_RXXs7JdVBXJVSb6OhBQ3JM&index=6

start of Haydn: Quartet, Op. 33 No. 3, Hob. III:39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfrRfLe_b0w&list=OLAK5uy_mUDSZlNXSw_RXXs7JdVBXJVSb6OhBQ3JM&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mUDSZlNXSw_RXXs7JdVBXJVSb6OhBQ3JM

>>127468886
maho more like my whore

>>127468886
I like that one. Which do you prefer?

Thoughts?

>>127470497
>le yt tier list
not even gonna bother expanding image

>>127470497
kek

now playing

start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 17 in G major, K.453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orsA2KaOv-8&list=OLAK5uy_kHAqgTRQqidXbDC7NCNfP0XdHyeGdcuE4&index=32

start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 18 in B flat major, K.456
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsYVmh9oSnw&list=OLAK5uy_kHAqgTRQqidXbDC7NCNfP0XdHyeGdcuE4&index=38

start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 19 in F major, K.459
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V23MFv7e9pY&list=OLAK5uy_kHAqgTRQqidXbDC7NCNfP0XdHyeGdcuE4&index=41

start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K. 466
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJrykFpnSko&list=OLAK5uy_kHAqgTRQqidXbDC7NCNfP0XdHyeGdcuE4&index=43

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kHAqgTRQqidXbDC7NCNfP0XdHyeGdcuE4

>>127469761
>upset by seeing anime girls on an anime website

>>127470606
:3

>>127470555
>mfw i don't have a definitive recording for k.453

i usually turn to geza anda but it's not quite satisfying

>>127470497
snigger

No Reich though?

>>127470617
Well hopefully you like that one. Alternatively, there's also Uchida/Cleveland (Uchida conducting from the piano with an even slower performance than the one I posted) or Serkin/Abbado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTqa7bB-hBw

or maybe Pires/Abbado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gYf5aJvLG4&list=OLAK5uy_mpgFm3lB5F4QKXOyBRuMAhTyG1el9IVRw&index=1

there's endless options, as I'm sure you know

>>127470617
E. Fischer's is easily the best I've heard. No one else quite gets the swing of the finale like he does.
https://litter.catbox.moe/4nd2scdvbskfawff.flac

sigh, a ruined Bruckner cycle with 9th that's too fast

>>127470758
>11 minute Scherzo
way too slow, the other movements are reasonable though

too bad it's Jansons so it's shit regardless

>>127470772
Hey, say what you want about Jansons never achieving transcendence, but he's never shit either. His range is from mediocre to pretty good.

>>127470807
you're right - shit is worth listening to for a laugh, Jansons is not worth listening to at all.

>>127470807
>His range is from mediocre to pretty good.
just like your personal tastes

as fast as I'll go -- which is funny because I don't think I've actually listened to this one lol -- I've looked it up so many times just to switch to something else. One day...

>>127470819
I'll give you that.

>>127470822
hey! >:^(

>>127470835
the joke was right there, all I did was pick it up

>>127470758
Back to edging

Is this mould? I left my violin inside the case for months and now that I felt like playing it again I found those stains inside it, outside is fine. The fine tuner and the E string were also rusty and it's also giving off a really strong "woody" smell (though I think it always had that smell, I can't remember rn). It's very humid around here during summer which makes me worried. If it's mould does that mean it's unrecoverable? That violin cost me $1000…

>>127470835
consider

>>127470874
Exactly, even that one is slower!

>>127470869
You should try asking on
https://www.reddit.com/r/violin
just to be safe

>>127470869
Looks like it's just some innocent mildew on the tag; the wood is in no danger

>>127470869
I remember in school I used to play the trombone but I never cleaned the slide and all the lube and spit congealed together and turned green

but idk sorry

>>127470896
I did and they deleted my post because apparently the answer was already in the FAQ (which basically just said "consult a luthier", but I fucking can't because I live in the middle of nowhere and I can't just go to another state just to get the opinion of a luthier right now. I fucking hate reddit.

>>127470886
>even that one
w-what do you mean anon

>>127470869
No idea. But if those stains just appeared, it might be a mold. Send that picture/text to ChatGPT, and tell us what it says

>>127470497
I was doing this while trying to sleep once. Q, U , Y, are real killers I just had to look them up.A is pretty hard too . And all I got for Z was Zimmer or Zappa

People here telling others to help train AIs and/or go to leddit really breaks my heart

>>127470919
Consult a luthier

>>127470940
>And all I got for Z was Zimmer or Zappa
In other words, you got nothing

>>127470942
Reddit is actually useful though unlike like this general

>>127470906
Hmm, good point.

>>127470921
Only that I thought Janowski's other Bruckner symphonies were faster than Jansons' across the board, further emphasizing Jansons' silliness on going too fast on his 9th, but turns out I was mistaken, he's only slower on the 3rd and 4th.

>>127470942
You are IiteraIIy reddit incarnate, not sure why you hate it.

>>127470965
Oh I thought you were saying that Janowski's tempo is bad

>>127470919
kek that's dumb, sorry.

>>127470942
I would never suggest an AI. And reddit is better for questions like that where you really need an informative, specific answer.

>>127470964
>>127470974
The knowledge you gain there comes with a terrible price, unlike this general, where you learn nothing but are left intact as a person

>I would never suggest an AI
Jesus. Some of you people are so unbelievably stupid.

>>127470978
thank you AIslopsister

>>127470978
ok tech bro

>>127470976
ROFL

>>127470981
>>127470984
One would expect a rational thought from classical folk but nope.

>>127471000
ok tech bro

now playing

Wagner: Siegfried Idyll, WWV 103
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDGo8wytUEA&list=OLAK5uy_nlsbOzH2Oa-FQeSTLeVtypFdRQthmagPI&index=2

start of Bruckner: Symphony No. 6 in A Major, WAB 106
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMZG-xUhDMc&list=OLAK5uy_nlsbOzH2Oa-FQeSTLeVtypFdRQthmagPI&index=3

Wagner: Parsifal, WWV 111: Prelude to Act I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjVFxBow89I&list=OLAK5uy_nlsbOzH2Oa-FQeSTLeVtypFdRQthmagPI&index=7

start of Bruckner: Symphony No. 9 in D Minor, WAB 109
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRxJ_JiI9To&list=OLAK5uy_nlsbOzH2Oa-FQeSTLeVtypFdRQthmagPI&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nlsbOzH2Oa-FQeSTLeVtypFdRQthmagPI

These Wagner pieces as an overture and interlude is so good.

>>127471004
I'm not even a tech bro.
AI can already diagnose medical conditions with 90% accuracy (better than any professional), but violin picture? Mold? Yeah no, that's too much.

>>127471043
ok tech bro

>>127470973
Nah, it's solid.

>>127471034
hurwitz hates the siegfried idyll. what is wrong with this guy?

>>127471043
Sure it can Sanjeet

>>127471100
Hurwitz doesn't like this cycle at all iirc. While it's not in my favorites, I do think it's pretty good, and the pellucid, bright, sunny sound the Gewandhaus plays with here scratches an itch I don't get from any other Bruckner cycle, so I return to it often. And yeah, I think all of the Wagner pieces are performed excellently. It pairs so well with Bruckner.

I was watching All Creatures Great and Small and it just struck me that the two brother vets are called Siegfired and Tristan

>>127471100
>>127471138
Unless you meant Hurwitz hates the piece outright, in which case, that's psychotic, and I didn't know that. Who doesn't love it? I could play my poptimist, New Wave loving Mother Siegfried Idyll and she'd both love and understand it.

>>127471106
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10784210/
>3.1.4.

>>127471034
This is what Wagner should of stuck with. A nice tasty 20 minutes piece instead of these interminable 19 hour operas

>>127471151
>Who doesn't love it?
I think it's alright
>>127471162
I'd trade in the entire ring cycle and Parsifal for one or two mature symphonies by him

>>127471154
Ranjesh I'm not clicking your virus. Maybe in Utter Pradesh it's better than doctors

>>127471170
>I think it's alright
pfft, if next you tell me you don't like Korsakov's Scheherazade, I don't even wanna know you, anon

>>127471162
He'd be the orchestral Chopin, only even godlier. But I guess opera was the thing at the time. Shame.

>>127471176
I wonder how dogmatic imbeciles like you end up listening to classical music. Probably parents shoved it down your throat in childhood, that would make sense.

>>127471186
>Korsakov's Scheherazade
I love it, certainly more than anything Wagner's ever done

if you support and love the arts, you are against AI -- simple as

>>127471189
You seem to know a thing or two about your dad shoving stuff down your throat, Subir saar

>Nelsons pairs Bruckner's 6th and 9th
>6th and 9th
>69
cheeky

>>127471204
>>127471209
It would do you both well ot read some Plato and Aristotle, intelligence isn't your strong suit, and logical fallacies are absolutely inexcusable.

>>127471225
Hopefully that was the thought process, otherwise it makes no sense to pair those two

>>127471230
But anon, I'm anti-technology because of Heidegger!

>brings up Plato in defense of AI
>Plato, the guy who thought writing down texts instead of memorizing them would have a detrimental effect on students and their intelligence and reasoning skills
Anon, I...

you must be trolling, and I won't respond again

>>127471230
No thanks, that trash has already been thorougly dragged in the mud by any worthwhile thinker from Locke to Russell and I'm not one to choose to go primitive for no practical reason

>>127471247
>you must be trolling
have you not been around for the bach-ives spam of late

>>127471247
Way to misinterpret his ideas. And likewise, I'm done dealing with cretins for today.

>>127471279
>I'm done
Good riddance

>>127471247
>>Plato, the guy who thought writing down texts instead of memorizing them would have a detrimental effect on students and their intelligence and reasoning skills
>Anon, I...
He's done you there

>>127471279
>done for today.
haha sure; see you in five to ten minutes, sister

I wonder if the violinanon did the right thing and consult a luthier or ask an AI. Any update?

>You don't like Bruckner? Think again
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4u4E0NvyAY0

>>127471230
>appeal to authority

>>127471345
he died

>>127471350
Everyone ought to be familiar with philosophy and its great thinkers. The funny and trollish part is no one who reads those guys can come away pro-AI.

>>127471034
The Adagio in the 6th is so underrated, fuuug. It'd get a lot more attention if it were part of one of his more popular symphonies, but since it's part of the 6th, it gets overlooked.

>>127471362
>Everyone ought to be familiar with philosophy and its great thinkers
Agreed, which is why people should skip the greeks and scholastics and go straight to post-cartesian thought

>>127471034
>>127471374
whoops, I was gonna direct link it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43SXro83paM&list=OLAK5uy_nlsbOzH2Oa-FQeSTLeVtypFdRQthmagPI&index=3

just try and tell me that ain't bomb, you can't!

>>127471362
>no one who reads those guys can come away pro-AI.

>>127471398
ok tech bro

>>127471413
They're laughing with us at the jeet

best Bruckner 6?

>>127471571
Celibidac-- *gets shot*

>>127471571
>>127448268

>>127471571
Tintner's is really good. Did you try the one here >>127471034

>>127471616
too much work

>>127471622
what

>>127471638
to click the tgubnf

>I am a fanatical Brucknerite. So far, of Skrowaczewski's Bruckner series I have heard only Nos.1, 5, 6, 7 and 8. I love most of these recordings dearly, and heartily recommend this highly satisfying series to anyone. Still, I find his No.6 disappointing--but then, I find every recording of this work disappointing, except for one which I will mention later. The reader should bear in mind that this is my very favorite Bruckner symphony, so I may be being unduly hard to please. If I haven't heard every recording ever made of this work, I've heard a LOT of them (Celibidache, Davis, Dohnanyi, Haitink, Sawallisch, Lopez-Cobos, Chailly, Tintner I, Tintner II [NAXOS], Klemperer, Eschenbach, Wand, and Blomstedt, to name only those that come to mind). I have owned and discarded all of these. The only one I have kept is Skrowaczewski's. This is not because I consider his recording the last word, but simply that in the last three movements he really is the best I've heard compared with the ONE recording of this work that gets it ALL right--the Holy Grail among recordings of the Bruckner 6th is that by Horst Stein with the Vienna Philharmonic for DECCA. Every Brucknerite I've ever played my well-worn LP for admits it's the best ever--and don't just take my word for it--at the time of its LP release, HIGH FIDELITY magazine said this was "Bruckner conducting to rank with the best." Stein and the VPO understand that this is Bruckner's most lyrical symphony, and they give that element full rein, especially in the first movement, where everyone else tries to be uniformly granitic and monolithic--yes, there is that side to the movement, but it is not ONLY that--Stein allows the music to flex and flow, yet he never allows the foward impetus to slacken. I will continue to beg for its rerelease--meantime, Skrowaczewski's is the best acceptable stopgap among a disappointing lot--listening to any recording besides Stein's is a waste of time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-5YerqL-l0

>>127471650
you just have to hover your fucking mouse over it

>>127471669
i don't feel like it

my cat pissed on my computer, there goes my fucking offline library.

>>127471730
oh shi---

been there, sorry anon :/ how much music was on it?

>>127471744
3tb, and i never back up anything because i don't trust microcock

>>127471757
maybe if you had trained your cat better :/

>>127471757
Damn! Sorry man

I guess, uh, welcome to streaming...

>>127471785
she usually uses the litter box, lately she's been pissing everywhere, probably just to piss me off, or maybe the CIA put a chip in her brain to control her?

>>127471813
the Spotify Special Operations group put a chip in her brain to ruin your offline digital library to force you in the direction of streaming on their platform

Have you had your Hindemith today?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPY7i5zDdH8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApH2HOGBmbY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VvMSHa0-js
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtdzfeX_Nxo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nskb4ipWn1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67bNxXza2xk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXbq1G3imY

>>127471940
you check out the Gould set of the piano sonatas yet?

>>127471949
>Gould
No. It was already frustrating and frankly painful enough that I had to settle with his and Roslak's Marienleben. Fucking mumbling moron. Anyway, why bother when Siegfried Mauser did an amazing job recording Hindemith's entire catalogue of works for solo piano?

>>127471996
'cuz it's the most acclaimed recording of them. You owe it to give it a shot whatever you think of Gould's style.

That's my view, anyway. I suppose as long as you're happy, I'm happy for you :)

Should I buy this stand for my violin?

>>127466578
I know you from /lit/. These are some great recommendations

>>127466578
colorful

>>127471996
shit, forgot links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9upFNe6dak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3VrlhhDzCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGTr5pVVACQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA6O_2uuLF8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvznHruqioU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCY0K2PUhRw
(this was the original version of the second movement, changed upon request by Walter Gieseking, who was scheduled to give the premiere in late 1936)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQQJN3kkg3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MOo3nSvWQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtUhIIAMqv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5GSf1XUDjo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSWAcWg0Ys0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42Jx_FwJvus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccUs7_z4H8o
>>127472066
>most acclaimed
That means nothing to me, and I already know I hate and can't bear his interpretations
>You owe
Brother mine I don't owe anyone anything

>>127472129
>Brother mine I don't owe anyone anything
:O

>>127472105
>>127472123

>>127471757
Buy an external hard drive, retard. Are you a fellow linuxchad?

>>127472190
cats can piss on those too, silly

>>127471359
Killed by mould -he should have consulted a luthier

>>127472213
an AI luthier

>>127472202
Not if you hide them, smartass

>>127472220
what's the point of having pets if you're gonna be hiding them??

>>127472219
kek

I don't know why y'all are so anti-AI. It can be great! Just be careful not to fall in love with it and you'll be grand.

>>127472300
Anti-AI and hyper AI obsessed imbeciles are *literally* two sides of the same coin. There is virtually no difference between the two.

>>127472300
If you're a fan of AI, we can't be friends or sleep together, sorry

>>127472392
Don't be a dogmatic anti-AI turd, it won't get ya anywhere in life.

>>127472389
dang dude it's just a silly little topical joke for the general
>>127472392
thanks

>>127472451
is he wrong

>>127472440
AI isn't real, when you talk to a chatbot it's literally just indians.

ai prompt: create recordings of 50 more late period beethoven piano sonatas performed by emil gilels

>>127472471
If that were true every othe result would include at least one reference to shitting in a designated street regardless of the prompt

>>127472493
can someone actually do this for the few that Gilels didn't record?

>>127472540
why

>>127472575
i don't know

BEST DVORJZSXHACK PIANPO CONCERTO RECORDING???

>>127470869
Update: I just found a picture of my violin from 5 years ago and it appears that those stains have always been there, so it's probably not mould, right? Since mould is supposed to spread in humid conditions.

>>127472622
it's deadly black mold, i'll take it off your hands and dispose of it.

>>127470896
>r*ddit
>helpful for anything
yeah right

>>127472591
Richghthter and Klejieibjiber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddWJ8uZj4WU

The mold. The violin. The AI. The luthier.
Deadliest quartet known to man.

>>127472835
so this is the power of postmodernism

do you people play anything or do you just listen to music?

>>127472838
Postmodernism is like 70 years old. We're on that meta-post-ironic neosincere panhomogenous structural syncretoglobalist shit now

>>127472855
I tried learning piano and viola but gave up. I have no patience for teachers and practice, and aren't talented enough to teach myself, so I just listen.

>>127472934
So you have time to spend several hours a day shitposting on 4chan but you don't have 1h a day to dedicate to playing pieces you like?

>>127472953
a) I don't spend several hours a day here
b) that was a long time ago, pre-chan days
c) I am now too old of a dog to be learning new tricks

>>127472973
If you're 30 or less that's not fucking old, you're at the peak of your brain activity right now, this is the best moment to learn.

>>127473012
>30 or less
Bad news, babygirl

>>127472872
Please kill yourself, or at least repent with Bach and before as well as Ives and after

>>127473064
Holy shit, I'm so sorry, grandpa...

>>127473068
eat my ass and taint, spamfaggot

Thoughts on Wednesday Addams playing the cello?

https://youtu.be/mzl0ZuCb59o?si=efkk1Y5mK5jzm83s

>>127473092
Suck my dick and eat my ass afterwards zoomieshit

>>127473197
Not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/tv/ instead?

>>127472855
i play the pussy

>>127473238
>Cello is not a classical instrument
This general was more intelligent in the past...

>>127473064
based, i'm 74, you?

>>127473258
k sure, now go back to your jewliwood le epic films please

who is the LEAST jewish composer?
Mahler? Schumann? Mendelssohn?

>>127473268
Let's say about half yer age

>>127473197
She can proc my fiev any day of the week

>>127473281
Moscheles

>>127473285
that's 37 you fuckin' lying kid, stop larping as an elderly.

>>127473302
Now now, calm down

>>127473281
Schumann wasn't jewish you retard

>>127473339
that's what he said

>>127466534 (OP)
Will playing Bartok get my dick sucked by art hoes?

Thinking Romaninan Dances Op.8a could make bitches strip to the middle part woooooosh….

https://youtu.be/8mTCCs_zx9U?si=OP9v6s6a5yI05gL5

>>127473369
holy shit that's a beautiful piano, how much did it cost?

>>127473369
art hoes listen to trap "music" and kpop

>>127473376
Free + $600 moving fee. I don’t think it’s super expensive. Baldwin Acrosonic - it came with a bunch of beginner music to, so I donated that for a fat tax refund.

>>127473403
You may be right, but I used to busk on the banjo and bitches loved the classical and bluegrass, so maybe like a chanteuse relationship like France Gall/Serge Gainsbourg but less Jewish. I figure if she likes Bartok, I can at least attract a quirky chungus that bakes banana bread and gives the gluck gluck to this:

https://open.spotify.com/track/122qz1dG8yJgfz7NV22sd4?si=yfFsiXfoQZ-AQPVtv2_gAg

>inb4 sounds like Final Fantasy theme

>>127473561
>I can at least attract a quirky chungus that bakes banana bread and gives the gluck gluck
what language is this

>>127473571
Bread and head
Tickle the ivories and the back of the throat

>>127473590
are you sure you don't want to opt for making trap music

>>127473281
Meyerbeer

>>127473642
I did put a breakbeat under Ives’ “Unanswered Question” so reformed raver, low to no body count, looking for classical Daddy / Art hoe Little Girl setup. Maybe nude salon performance.

Claude Debussy was born August 22nd 1862. Happy birthday!

>>127473763
Go to bed

Hello friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20c8ItGShbI

>>127473806
>friends
you wouldn've posted that if you were our friend

if I could I would bring Gould Celibidache and Furtwängler back to life just to kill them again

>>127473763
I'm sorry but he's dead

>>127472855
I was learning Bach's Minuet in G on my keyboard but I can't find a plug for it anymore

What does /classical/ think of Apashe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaNgb5NZ3z8

>>127473811
Hello friend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMsrXqSb1pE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oacaqC1Bric

>>127473197
I wish I were that cello

>>127473763
Happy birthday Debussy!

>>127473912
Not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?

>>127473962
Its the new classical, anon.

>>127473991
oxymoron

Irina Mejoueva's Beethoven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu1BLqTp13s&list=OLAK5uy_nF9e-0tZgsPc_NlUKdacw0TFr7QyXCJR8&index=27

>>127474008
she looks straight out of late 19th century bohemia

wait, Debussy died? what the fuck, how did i not hear about this?

>>127474025
you were asleep

>>127474025
Complications from the Covid vaccine.

>>127474025
at least we have Chopin, right?

>>127474024
M’lady
> I doth proclaim

>>127474069
Anon, Chopin has gone to live on a farm with some other romantics

is Bach still alive?

Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=BFF-wUgAxm8

>>127473838
this but would leave Furtwangler alive since he was actually good

>>127474108
what

>>127474128
he is, in my heart

>>127474134
You heard me
>tips powdered wig

>>127474128
Sebastian Bach is fine yes

>>127474159
you're all over the place and making no sense

>>127473763
Happy birthday, you were always the true goat of 20th century alongside Ives, Scriabin, and Bartok

>>127473197
Whom?

>>127474176
Be quiet

>>127474176
>Ives
Almost nobody outside America knows who that is

>>127474197
And those who do know that he was a hack

For me, it's Ives' Piano Sonata No.2, 'Concord, Mass., 1840–60'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNClpXXb7cw

Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=JMP2WtPVc3Y

>>127474188
>>127474197
>>127474202
>Sharzart listeners
Don't you have schnitzels to shove up your ass or Fagberti Basslines to write to accompany your awful harmony?

>>127474243
Be quiet

>>127474249
BABIAA

You can suppress truth but you will never silence it

>>127474222
>>127474232
If only the posts were reversed then it would be a true BABIAA

>>127473197
LOL she is bowing while the audio is pizz-ing :D

typical cheap netflix slop. hot tho.

can we give some love to alfred brendal

found this today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYrJ-5cPsSg

such a wonderful pianist

>>127474175
Sexo with the Bohemian lady

>>127474468
RIP Brendel

While not my favorite, he was always very good and capable of the occasional moment of transcendence.

It's like I've stepped into an alternate reality looking at Handley's conducting discography, who the fuck are all these composers and what are these pieces

>>127471170
>I'd trade in the entire ring cycle and Parsifal for one or two mature symphonies by him
He was just about to begin writing symphonies before he died. He described them being in one movement like the Siegfried Idyll, not having any extreme dissonance or pathos, lots of contrapuntal playing about developing the themes out of one another and on programmatic subjects like Christian holidays.

>>127474630
Yeah, I know, that's what's so tragic aboutit. I would gladly erase his last five operas or so from existence in exchange for a few symphonies by him.

>>127474598
Handley conducted the British composers that even Brits don't really care about. But there's some good stuff in there. Moeran is great, like Vaughan Williams with Walton's bite. Stanford was not adventurous but solid conservative symphonist. Bantock was a very lush orchestrator. Howells was a great choral composer.

>>127474598
>Bri'ish composers
Not even once, either they are second rate Schumann or Brahms or 3rd rate Debussy or Ravel

Only decent ones are Delius, Holst and Vaughan Williams and the last 2 are debatable whether they are even decent

>>127474671
Be quiet

>>127474650
>I would gladly erase his last five operas or so from existence in exchange for a few symphonies by him.
Isn't that a little extreme? I don't think Wagner's symphonies would have been better or more important than his operas, which was his life's work for a reason.

>>127474656
Guess I'll check some of them out, thanks. Those Robert Simpson symphonies too.

>>127474656
Also have you tried Handley's Vaughan Williams cycle? That's what I went into there looking for. If you have, is it good?

>>127474688
>better
opinion
>important
irrelevant
I want Wagner with symphonic structure and without the singin'.

>>127474671
Elgar wrote better symphonies than Schumann
*runs away*

>>127474722
who didn't

>>127474721
You should give these a try. There's three more IIRC; one for Tristan, one for Meistersinger, and one for Parsifal, and then a Wagner's symphonies recording.

>>127474721
I just mean that his symphonies would probably be more slight creations next to his gigantic operas. You really gotta get over a dislike for opera singing, it's a major disability. Even if you never grow to love opera singing, you should be able to ignore it and just listen to the wonderful music in the background in an opera like Meistersinger.

>>127474760
>more slight creations next to his gigantic operas
hence inherently superior
>major disability
ok nevermind, let's pretend we never spoke
>>127474756
eh, it's just not the same, not close at all

>>127474722
Anyone can, and it's not even something to be proud of

>>127474782
>eh, it's just not the same, not close at all
just tryna' help!

>>127474738
>>127474788
thank you slavesloppers

>>127474792
hey man I know

I would sacrifice the entire output of Mendelssohn for a couple more Elgar symphonies. Oh if wishing made it so!

>>127474798
time for your pills, gamgam
>>127474815
too late for you, though, it's the coffin for your ass

>>127474825
>too late for you, though, it's the coffin for your ass
The realization hit me the other day I'm just so over anything and everything Mendelssohn composed. All the music I once loved, can't do it anymore. I put on the string quartets or one of the late symphonies or violin concerto or cello sonatas for a couple minutes and it's 'meh,' switch to something else. And don't get me started on what a waste of time his Lieder ohne Worte is.

Whereas Elgar, Elgar never gets old. I could listen to his music all day and then over again. His pieces contain so much color and detail, so filled to the brim with ideas and emotion, there's always something new to discover, and the melodies and musical themes so great, they never wear thin neither get old.

Underrated prelude and fugue
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=kIM4iC8YXlg

>>127474871
no one asked no one cares

get comfy and listen to Vaughan Williams 2 :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpLFvdqsPEU

>>127474883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbCwkXP2oTI

>>127474883
>>127474927
behold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkC2x_hnnbk

>>127474972
Not bad, friend

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9mjQYlUUfM

Ton Koopman on the Hildebrandt organ in Naumburg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABXN0zwb9U

>>127469364
>>127469380
I'm back. Here are some more long symphonies I recommend:

Liszt - 2nd Symphony (Dante)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Vb1VdN5ZU

Stanford - 5th Symphony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9wGfLIKgEc

Sinding - 3rd Symphony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWlwlGsQAek

Parry - 4th Symphony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zQk362XXg

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUvUPI2wDfs

Time to spam
>today I will remind them

BAB
A
B

>DAILY REMINDER

IAA

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>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

>Well, I wish you good night, but first,
>Shit in your bed and make it burst.
>Sleep soundly, my love
>Into your mouth your arse you'll shove.

>Mozart's canon "Leck mich im Arsch" K. 231 (K6 382c) includes the lyrics:

>Addio, ben mio. Keep well, my love.
>Into your mouth your arse you'll shove.
>I wish you good night, my dear, but first,
>Shit in your bed and make it burst.

Need I say more Shartzart lovers?

Just stop listening to Mozart, there is no hidden genius in his music, just shit, piss, and cock fucking nonsense that no straight man would be caught dead listening to, HE WORE A WIG AND MAKEUP, HE'S GAY CAN'T YOU SEE IT?

HE ATE SCHNITZEL OUT OF HIS WIFES UNWIPED ASSHOLE!

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Prokofiev or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

posting in containment thread for the mentally ill

>>127475450
just filter and report the spammers.

>>127475193
One of his better ones. 2-6 is a pretty great run. 7-12 not so much. 13-15 gets pretty good again, and 16 I can take or leave

can we do Debussy general next since it's his birthday? (in six hours for me but it's the 22nd for some of you here)

>>127475463
filtering is for pussies, I refuse to do it

>>127475486
>since it's his birthday

yeah sure, why not. that's a good enough reason.

>>127475513
:3

308

>>127466578
what is illustristic

>>127475450
>>127475463
>comes on 4chan
>doesn't expect some eccentricity or mental illness in any of the threads let alone all the boards
Reddit is down the hall and to the left.

>>127475486
>>127475513
Looking forward to it lads, his early works are goated with the late works close second

>>127475521
the product of schizophrenia, roughly equivalent to "classical"

>>127475526
>Looking forward to it lads, his early works are goated with the late works close second
which belong to which period?

new
>>127475534
>>127475534
>>127475534

>>127475532
dude just look at the years they were composed and do the math it's not hard

>>127475537
fuck you.

>>127475537
based

>>127475532
I'll quote you in the next thread

>>127474298
Got his ass