Thread 127496269

Hofmann edition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbXnlYkpib8

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

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Reminder Bach and after, before and not including Ives.

Bach is overrated

I think that its true that bach doesn't have melodies in his music because it doesn't fucking suck

>>127496666
Bach is nothing but melodies

>>127496693
Not like other melodies tho so might as well not be

Hello, friends.

Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvc4DTPRmAI&list=OLAK5uy_kUa4aItajjtjavVAB1MXJ8HipoxuUvNm0&index=6

>>127496852
love the portamento here

now playing

Tchaikovsky: Francesca da Rimini, Op. 32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IJ6hSnBEm8&list=OLAK5uy_kZ2pxEVibrE5ZmdML0XBepQPT6nNGTZc4&index=16

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 4 In F Minor, Op. 36, TH.27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Q_SUUTiXk&list=OLAK5uy_kZ2pxEVibrE5ZmdML0XBepQPT6nNGTZc4&index=17

Tchaikovsky: Capriccio italien, Op. 45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuQeBzLv-HI&list=OLAK5uy_kZ2pxEVibrE5ZmdML0XBepQPT6nNGTZc4&index=21

Tchaikovsky: Ouverture Solennelle "1812", Op. 49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1umkzjiqk10&list=OLAK5uy_kZ2pxEVibrE5ZmdML0XBepQPT6nNGTZc4&index=22

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5 In E Minor, Op. 64, TH.29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pPlIW6-8L4&list=OLAK5uy_kZ2pxEVibrE5ZmdML0XBepQPT6nNGTZc4&index=23

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kZ2pxEVibrE5ZmdML0XBepQPT6nNGTZc4

>>127496666
check'd

>>127496729
DanDaDan has been great this week.

>>127496750
>friends.

I want to like Rostropovich's Tchaikovsky cycle so bad because I like the idea of performing those symphonies with broad tempos -- not always, but having one go-to set like that -- but every time I actually try and listen to it, before I know it I'm turning it off and switching to something else before even the first movement is over lol. At first I made excuses like, "oh I'm just not in the mood" or "damn, attention span is shit today" but when it happens several times, when on other occasions I put on different recordings with more standard tempo recordings with forward momentum and I listen to them all the way through with no problem, well, I think it might be time to be honest with one's self.

Then again, maybe one more time couldn't hurt... no!

>today I will remind them

BAB
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>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
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>>127496406
don't listen to this neurotic heathen, He's probably at the car horn or garbage can percussion section in a Mahler symphony

>Mozart
Seriously, that's the best you neurotics can do?

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Trio No. 7 in B Flat Major, Op. 97 "Archduke"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WKOz0zUy5I&list=OLAK5uy_kBXhQdhfRaZdqRzL-am05C4g6HBLZr0Ao&index=14

start of Beethoven: Piano Trio No. 5 in D Major, Op. 70 No. 1 "Geistertrio"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkZtv4hGXj8&list=OLAK5uy_kBXhQdhfRaZdqRzL-am05C4g6HBLZr0Ao&index=17

start of Beethoven: Piano Trio No. 6 in E Flat Major, Op. 70 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b86TkYGcj5U&list=OLAK5uy_kBXhQdhfRaZdqRzL-am05C4g6HBLZr0Ao&index=21

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kBXhQdhfRaZdqRzL-am05C4g6HBLZr0Ao

The shitshow called Music after Stravinsky, Bartok, Prokofiev, and Ives can be best summed in 3 composers who are actually listenable and recognizble on the first note.

Messiaen. Ligeti. Reich.

Anyone here seen this piece of shit? Only noteworthy thing about it were the first 15 minutes where they depict the premiere of the Rite

and I'm listening to Bach's WTC yet again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hn6nYbHeGQ&list=OLAK5uy_nrlaSVUcYOA9UfNoUXJyOnbSDUFMGnIVk&index=23

>>127497769
Ligeti looks like a literal shit

>>127497869
That's just being Jewish

How did he do it classicanons?

Ligeti more like Spaghetti lmfaoo

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXrQsPdrTUk&list=OLAK5uy_lNUx5S2GzGBWYsBi3DqYYgGRUb03ehUBA&index=8

>>127497953
He was bursting with the romantic spirit.

>>127496269 (OP)
https://vocaroo.com/1cdWDS0tNIGc

What do you guys think of my viola playing?

Buxtehude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtr9_XHAEwo

best Tchaikovsky cycle?
also best stand alone 5 & 6?

>>127499817
1. Markevitch
2. Mravinsky

>>127499817
>best Tchaikovsky cycle?
Muti, followed by Jansons or Karajan/BPO

For me, it's Beethoven.

>>127500300
thank you brother
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfiiRZvTVeU

Bach, Prelude and Fugue in E minor, BWV 548, “The Wedge”
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=IQvJ6U8dlR4
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=eMfS8kVfBF0

it's funny 'cuz you go for a 'selected piano works' release and it doesn't contain enough of the pieces you want, so then you go for a 'complete works' and it contains too much of the mediocrity you don't want

>>127496269 (OP)
How to get into Richard Strauss?

I've already heard Salome, Elektra, Also sprach Zarathustra, and An Alpine Symphony. I'm kind of lukewarm on all of them honestly (I mean this in a mostly positive way). Does he have any (other?) works with really truly transcendent appeal?

>>127500561
>works with really truly transcendent appeal?
Ein Heldenleben
Death and Transfiguration
Metamorphosen

Then a couple of the other short stuff have their appeal, like Don Juan and Till Eulenspiegel and the Der Rosenkavalier suite, though if you're into opera you might want to check out the actual Der Rosenkavalier work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OkgIkDYV64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynzmmfeIsOw

so good

>>127496465
Impossible. That’s like saying the Cosmos is overrated.

takes a real sick fuck to only include just either one of Rachmaninoff's Op. 33 or Op. 39 Etudes on a release, and not both -- they should always, always be paired! same as splitting Chopin's Op. 10 and Op. 25 Etudes or Rach's Op. 23 and 32 Preludes, it's just silly and stupid and a cashgrab

>>127500582
Karajan looks like he's going to kill Sarah Connor.

>>127500606
great TV series compared to all the slop around these days.

>>127500635
I wasn’t referring to your reddit tv series.

>>127500635
>Karajan looks like he's going to kill Sarah Connor.
he's here to kill the HIPsters with poor string sonority

>>127500606
the Cosmos is dogshit

>>127500651
begone, pleb. the soundtrack of Sagan's Cosmos is patrician tier.

now playing

start of Faure: Nocturnes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFfXsAxixqA&list=OLAK5uy_k3vt7Vgy8ShjfAU3YRf_EvX4MwJy_4XuU&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k3vt7Vgy8ShjfAU3YRf_EvX4MwJy_4XuU

>>127500677
>tips fedora

anyone familiar with this composer, uh, Henselt? Just saw some recordings of his piano works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3enu3BHZQI

Petzold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_mJ1WjCMzM

>>127500970
Graeco-Roman and Germanic Philosophy >>>>>> sand nigger garbage

simple as.

Beethoven's late string quartets are formal perfection but I'm not quite sure what emotions they're supposed to elicit.

>>127501167
do you need a dictionary of scales and their symbolic meanings? because that's what it sounds like you're asking for.

>>127501210
I'm interested in others' views of the dramatic narrative and emotional content of the works.

>>127501226
fuck off and ask someone else to spoon feed you.

>>127501243
o-ok

Did people really dance to Bach's cello suites back in the day?

now playing

start of Brahms: Cello Sonata No. 1 in E Minor, Op. 38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDsQjKt7Pbk&list=OLAK5uy_meqJdC1vkPkEH-o8ZAqi3i_Y8pkQm9tzA&index=2

start of Reger: Cello Suite No. 2 in D Minor, Op. 131c/2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4aNfFWmuuc&list=OLAK5uy_meqJdC1vkPkEH-o8ZAqi3i_Y8pkQm9tzA&index=5

start of Schumann: Fantasiestücke, Op. 73
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5bw2EbYkQ&list=OLAK5uy_meqJdC1vkPkEH-o8ZAqi3i_Y8pkQm9tzA&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_meqJdC1vkPkEH-o8ZAqi3i_Y8pkQm9tzA

>2021 release. "A talent to reckon with: poised, committed, graceful and spirited," is how the Los Angeles Times has described the Russian-American cellist Nina Kotova. Her Warner Classics catalogue already includes an album of sonatas by Rachmaninov. It is now joined by a programme of German Romantic music which she recorded with the Brazilian-born pianist José Feghali, a laureate of the Van Cliburn Competition who died aged just 53 in 2014. Spanning 65 years of musical history, the recital comprises works by Schumann and Brahms, who were close friends, and by Max Reger. He drew inspiration for his Suite No. 2 for solo cello, composed in 1914, from Pablo Casals's advocacy of Bach's solo suites.

She also has a recording with Prokofiev's and Rachmaninoff's cello sonatas I wanna check out soon.

>>127496852
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>>127501167
In order to elucidate from his innermost processes a typical day in the life of Beethoven I therefore choose the great C sharp minor Quartet: while this would be difficult to achieve by listening, because we should then immediately feel compelled to let go all certain comparisons and only perceive direct revelation from another world, we might manage this to some extent by recalling the piece from memory only. Even here I must, however, once again leave it to the reader’s imagination to bring to life the exact details of the picture, and for this reason I offer my help only with a very general outline.

I would like to describe the rather long introductory Adagio, surely the most melancholy ever to have been expressed in music, as the morning awakening of a day 'which in its long course will fulfil no wish, not one!’ Yet at the same time it is a prayer of repentance, a discourse with God on belief in the eternally good. The inward-looking eye alone sees there a comforting vision (Allegro 6/8) in which desire becomes a bitter-sweet game with itself: the innermost dream image awakes to a most lovely recollection. And it is now as if (in the short transitional Allegro Moderato) the Master, conscious of his art, settles himself to his magic work: he now exercises (Andante 2/4) with renewed vigour the power of this peculiar magic to capture a graceful form in order to delight tirelessly in it as the blessed testimony of innermost innocence, constantly changing through the breaking rays of the eternal light which he casts upon it.

I was listening to Brahms again and it made me realize just how well he mixes romanticism with classical form. Most other conservative composers sound like their sound is stuck in the classical period. Are there any contemporaries of Brahms that did the same idea of expanding orchestral color while staying formally conservative still?

>>127501854
Brahms didn't expand orchestral colour, he just took his romantic colouring from the programmatic works of Mendelssohn and Liszt et al. and slapped it into classical form. And he did it in a pretty unidiomatic and painful way for the performer. Just listen to Faure.

>>127501897
>Just listen to Faure.
Why would I listen to a bad composer?

>>127501909
He's better than Brahms I'll tell you what.

>>127501921
Maybe if you're retarded, yeah.

>>127501921
O_O

I'm going to bed.

>>127501854
Dvorak?

>>127501947
But I've already heard dvorak :<, is there any composer i might not have heard of at all?

>>127501963
Faure

>>127500561
i recommend listening to some of his more lyrical operas like rosenkavalier, ariadne, arabella or daphne. and of course there's his vier letzte lieder. if his works for soprano and orchestra don't resonate with you, then i don't know what to tell you, because they represent strauss at his apex.

Proof that sometimes the most idiosyncratic, visionary performance of a work is the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kaugn0YeH30&list=OLAK5uy_nDXdK-hEvaxIYrZjKrrRLFHjIUdCPQZqk&index=1

>>127501963
Reger. it's basically Brahms on crystal meth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUIKZAWc0uM

Dave hit 5000 videos on youtube and revealed his dirty secrets(not really):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh--7ILwkx4#

>>127502135
embarrassing

now playing

start of Liszt: Harmonies poétiques et religieuses III, S. 173
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhVArIaRytA&list=OLAK5uy_m4ZxNvbTYiVWP5Xj5SU1Ke-2bV8Oi9eqc&index=2

Liszt: Ballade No. 1 in D-Flat Major, S. 170 "The Crusader's Song"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUV3lbKMan8&list=OLAK5uy_m4ZxNvbTYiVWP5Xj5SU1Ke-2bV8Oi9eqc&index=12

Liszt: Ballade No. 2 in B Minor, S. 171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uyVvLNG5Js&list=OLAK5uy_m4ZxNvbTYiVWP5Xj5SU1Ke-2bV8Oi9eqc&index=12

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m4ZxNvbTYiVWP5Xj5SU1Ke-2bV8Oi9eqc

Kinda feel like going through Aldo Ciccolini's discography. Dude's recorded a ton. He's got Schubert, Brahms, more Liszt, a complete Beethoven cycle, a complete Debussy cycle, Chopin, Grieg. Anyway I've heard his Liszt is among the best, so finally listening to this, and his rendition of the Annees de pelerinage will come soon.

>To understand Nazism, one must first understand Wagner.

-Hitler

>>127503012
TIL Hitler didn't understand Nazism.

Baroque guitar is so good bros.

>>127501226
>>127501243
No discussion allowed!

>>127500970
>>127501019
Bach was an atheist. He would have been an avid redditor had that website existed

>>127501772
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_mr2BORWnE&list=OLAK5uy_njpDyKE8pHCF25LJV2GvxS5HxC4_Fyj48&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4dZFu6r2Ko

Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqfKAymRmkY

>>127501167
>>127501210
it's almost entirely subjective, even the notion that music has to be about emotions, it can be a sensory experience like eating a meal it doesn't have to make you emotional especially the fetishizing of the darkest ugliest emotions by a lot of artfags is some creepy shit like it's literally the premise of how the force works that the evil side is the one that channels their negative emotions

>>127505154
*how the force works in star wars

for example no straight man has any interest whatsoever in watching 50 shades of grey or reading the book unless a woman is making him do it, it's subjective as to what emotions you get out of consuming such a media

Best Tchaikovsky 1?

>>127505250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hqTUJd4Mfk

What emotions are Bach’s cello suites meant to convey?

>>127505154
learn to fucking write.

>>127505391
https://arcana.fm/2022/02/13/isserlis-bach-cello-suites-companion

>Isserlis looks at the construction of each suite in great detail, marvelling at Bach’s consistent marriage of mathematical precision and emotional outpouring. He uses the scholarly texts but also leans heavily and most enjoyably on his perspective from the pure, musical instinct of a performer. This approach lifts the music from the page, frequently inspiring the reader to listen along.

>This instinct leads to a central, compelling case for a subtext for the suites, describing the life of Christ in a way that can be keenly experienced by the listener but which also makes a great deal of musical sense, with the caveat that the cellist’s conclusions are largely speculative.

now playing, more Ciccolini

start of Brahms: 8 Piano Pieces, Op. 76
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV_uvvwwMPs&list=OLAK5uy_lwii254fg2tx2uXzZ-i1Tx5Y9p7t5S5h8&index=2

start of Brahms: 7 Fantasias, Op. 116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mprw84Y9FJk&list=OLAK5uy_lwii254fg2tx2uXzZ-i1Tx5Y9p7t5S5h8&index=10

start of Brahms: 3 Intermezzi, Op. 117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC3Lk-1Ra9A&list=OLAK5uy_lwii254fg2tx2uXzZ-i1Tx5Y9p7t5S5h8&index=17

start of Brahms: 6 Piano Pieces, Op. 118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2um_grMDL-Q&list=OLAK5uy_lwii254fg2tx2uXzZ-i1Tx5Y9p7t5S5h8&index=20

start of Brahms: 4 Piano Pieces, Op. 119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BixcUaQfoIM&list=OLAK5uy_lwii254fg2tx2uXzZ-i1Tx5Y9p7t5S5h8&index=26

start of Brahms: 2 Rhapsodies, Op. 79
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1A8hMk99NU&list=OLAK5uy_lwii254fg2tx2uXzZ-i1Tx5Y9p7t5S5h8&index=29

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lwii254fg2tx2uXzZ-i1Tx5Y9p7t5S5h8

>>127505391
>>127505154
I thought one of the biggest selling points of classical music is how it's dramatically and narratively progressive and fluid, in order to tell an emotional story as the piece goes on?

>>127505431
I know I've posted dozens of recordings of these late Brahms piano pieces, all with varying degrees of plaudits, but this one is truly spectacular. wow. Highly recommended.

>>127505400
>describing the life of Christ in a way that can be keenly experienced by the listener
They do feel pretty torturous yes

>>127505635
the sacred AND the propane

>>127505398
*tips fedora*

>>127505541
it's pretentious nonsense in the same way as people jerk off to classical pantings but people in the real world don't give a fuck about paintings despite being indoctrinated with that shit since childhood, or they have their own subjective interpretations of what the paintings mean to them.

>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

if the "experts" interpretations were valid then why can't they compose their own masterpieces, really makes you think. almost no one has any clue about how music works, even the great artists just kinda do their thing without thinking too much about it, or even just copy other artists and change a few notes.

NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER

>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court
>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School
>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms
>No Perotin or Medieval Music

2nd best Mahler 3?

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Schoenberg or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

>>127505694
The sun king was a prick

>>127505699
3rd best Mahler 4th?
4th best Mahler 5th?
5th best Mahler 6th

>>127505662
You don't know what you're talking about do you?

>>127505708
>The sun king was a prick

>>127505699
Chailly, because Haitink/RCO is the best one.

>>127505732
why don't you have any sources of what mozart etc said their intent was with their music? you're pulling your interpretations out of your ass. music is well known to be subjective. you could ask 10 people and get 10 different answers.

>>127505662
But isn't that what development -> climax is all about?

>>127505763
it's a balance of being repetitive/familiar and changing things up enough to not be boring, it's very formulaic stuff that all the pop music does too

>>127505297
Karajan is turtley enough for the turtleclub with a turtleneck like that

>>127505776
So these pieces aren't ever actually 'about' anything emotionally, it's just about the formal musical themes and ideas?

now that's my kind of Hammerklavier :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtVyOv-dcGs&list=OLAK5uy_lkrgj4Vkaf9wHujlTSpfTcL2QkP3OOzV4&index=97

>>127505884
How many times are you going to listen to this nonsense?

>>127505913
Beethoven's piano sonatas? I said I was gonna take two months or so and focus intensely on listening to them! Maybe another cycle or two after the current set I'm listening to (and loving; Irina Mejoueva's) and then I'll take a break. But Beethoven, and his Hammerklavier, is eternal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KVRNHH2JmI&list=OLAK5uy_nF9e-0tZgsPc_NlUKdacw0TFr7QyXCJR8&index=50

so good

Mahlerian liminality

now playing

start of Dvorak: String Quartet No. 4 in E minor, sine op. (B. 19)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFBN0EEk3Ik&list=OLAK5uy_kKssry2uD4kFt-cvohscAPEPHw69O8uks&index=15

start of Dvorak: String Quartet No. 5 in F minor, Op. 9 (B. 37)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgWmPxR3o0&list=OLAK5uy_kKssry2uD4kFt-cvohscAPEPHw69O8uks&index=19

start of Dvorak: String Quartet in A minor No. 6, Op. 12 (B. 40, 1873)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv6IOD_UDIE&list=OLAK5uy_kKssry2uD4kFt-cvohscAPEPHw69O8uks&index=21

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kKssry2uD4kFt-cvohscAPEPHw69O8uks

>>127505800
the meaning could be less ambiguous when there are lyrics or they're tied to a play or a movie scene and such, otherwise it's difficult to convey a precise meaning with just musical notes, people like mozart would show off their technical skill in playing the piano and not try to explain how a piece is about the grief and despair of losing a loved one or whatever the fuck

>>127505939
No specifically the Hammerklavier

>>127506087
I think you should just post the whole thing instead of posting these snippets as well

>>127506101
Whenever it comes up in the current cycle I'm listening to. Why, you don't care for it? If you're talking specifically about those types of posts where I image-capture the runtime and make a post about it, I just do that to tease the fast-tempo for Beethoven anons here, and maybe, ideally, introduce them to a new way of thinking with regards to the work, and perhaps get someone new into the Hammerklavier.

>>127506123
But if you go to the link to the uploaded piece on YouTube, you'll see it's part of a playlist which will autoplay the rest of the piece and recording! I wouldn't just tease like that and not provide the rest of the piece in someway -- my way, however, is it being part of a playlist, instead of linking each individual movement here.

>>127505884
moderate and boring?

>>127506145
I mean I think you should just post the playlist

>>127506218
That's what the final link is! :p

I include an embedded link for ease of sampling, to give anons an easy and convenient way of quickly trying out the recording, ideally in hopes of getting them hooked, and then either they can follow that link to YouTube to continue listening on the playlist from whichever piece they started, or they can go outright to the playlist of the entire recording with the final link. Best of all worlds!

>>127506204
well, thanks for giving it a try, that's all I can ask. One more though, if you'll indulge me, from the current cycle I'm going through and loving, a cycle with a unique, spacious, and poetic sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4USOYAphMA&list=OLAK5uy_nF9e-0tZgsPc_NlUKdacw0TFr7QyXCJR8&index=91

If you like 'em fast you'll probably hate it but you never know

I only listen to the Hammerklavier if it's played on a Harpsichord at 3000Bpm the way Beethoven intended

>>127505758
You're such a retard lmao, this is so fun

now playing, one final post of this morning classical binge before I read or go out

start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYZROU_AVrI&list=OLAK5uy_nxMX0xOvFj8GypR5fd1xYF7s2FgFhnGtk&index=8

start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 in G Major, Op.58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSRalTo3wLk&list=OLAK5uy_nxMX0xOvFj8GypR5fd1xYF7s2FgFhnGtk&index=11

start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 5 in E-Flat Major, Op. 73
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TcnFQ4Gjv0&list=OLAK5uy_nxMX0xOvFj8GypR5fd1xYF7s2FgFhnGtk&index=13

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nxMX0xOvFj8GypR5fd1xYF7s2FgFhnGtk

There's such an enormous quantity of recordings of Beethoven's piano concertos, it's truly dizzying and daunting. I guess it's good because it means there's an ideal performance to suit everyone's individual tastes, but it can be difficult and time-consuming to find it!

That said, can't go wrong with Paul Lewis, whose cycle of the piano sonatas are fantastic as well as his recordings of Schubert, and Jiri Belohlavek, a pretty great and consistent conductor with some top-tier recordings of Czech music (eg Dvorak, Suk, Smetana), so paired together, it's a pretty safe bet of a quality cycle, and all of the popular and critical acclaim seems to borne this out.

Next time I'll probably opt for the Brendel/Levine or Zimerman/Bernstein cycles, and if anyone has any personal recommendations and favorites, I'm all ears. Also, anyone have any thoughts on the Bernstein/Gould cycle?

>>127506124
I find it to be more admired than beloved

>>127506559
That's how I also felt for the longest time, but in these recent months with my constant and intense listening of Beethoven's piano sonatas, obtaining a deeper understanding and appreciation of his compositions, further familiarity with his form and style, a stronger resonance with the musical poetry and emotional depth -- all relative to my previous self, of course, I am by no means an expert, I'm ultimately a casual listener -- I've started to come around on the Hammerklavier and begun to recognize its stunning brilliance, its architectural complexity, and its immense power.

But that's just me. On a similar note, I will say one piece I'll never come around on is the Diabelli Variations. Maybe you have to be a musician to appreciate and connect with that.

>>127506559
>>127506660
What's funny is I simultaneously can't get enough of it and find it so dense and potent that I try not to listen to it too often, lol. I don't like it for casual or relaxing listening, most of his other piano sonatas are better for that. The Hammerklavier is for when I'm ready to give my full attention and focus, the entirety of my aesthetic perception and creative being. I treat it almost like a solemn, holy event, for the effects of listening to it are similarly sublime, ecstatic, and spiritually uplifting.

>>127506365
not an argument, you have no objective evidence that most composers even intended this emotional storytelling mumbo jumbo, as if they can telepathically predict the emotional response in every listener in something as subjective as audio

most people don't even like classical music, some people say they do because of the brainwashing about it being for intellectual high class sophisticated people but they don't listen to it on a regular basis, some people listen to it as background music with not really any emotional weight behind it, you're kidding yourself if people can listen for hours day in and day out and experience intense emotions for hours and hours with any consistency

>>127496269 (OP)
Best Rachmaninoff - Vocalise? Rachmaninoff had some good ideas sometimes. My Top 3:

Jackie Evancho - surreally high sometimes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX20-4QAA3w
Natalie Dessay - very sweet, airy, pleasant voice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zrmCh8m3zY
Aida Garifullina - also very nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTFngQBB3uQ

>>127506559
>>127506660
>>127506789
The opening bars, the very first motif, is more addictive to me than the opening of 5th symphony. Sometimes that motif is all I can think about all day, it's that addictive. LET ALONE, the fughetta in the first movement, based on that motif. The most pleasant and at the same time annoying earworm I've ever had. Then there's the beautiful slow movement that can make you cry or bored depending on moos. If you don't LOVE Hammerklavier, I reckon you're just a troll.
End of my blog.

>>127507056
>moos
mood*, fuck.

>>127507050
>Vocalise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGsB-X7o92k
No question. Cello my beloved.

>>127507056
based

>>127507050
Thanks for the recs. I've always liked this one from Zinman's recording of the second symphony featuring Sylvia McNair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ32vZjf-as&list=OLAK5uy_lNkvHSlI1P7Tr4DCIMQ8mtyt_8u2f4sfw&index=5

>>127507050
Damn, those are some great ones you posted.

Try some Fleming but yours might top
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22It9TlhcS0&list=OLAK5uy_mDjj5seoz0aM3Z8UMqELMrqYe0bWno8tQ&index=10

Suk's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2rbRuhJxs&list=OLAK5uy_mNZJd_Mkzfw-hkKuat_QQi_2uDB-weUr8&index=21

a 15:05 Chaconne!! gorgeously and sensitively played. in order to sustain one's spiritual health, one should be listening to Bach's Chaconne at least once a week. it cures anxiety and despair, affirms life and the wondrous splendor of kindred souls, increases one's capacity for love and sympathy, and gives one a glimpse of the divine and raises one closer to transcendence

99% of people can't make music worth a damn even if they dedicate their lives to it, they end up as a washed up music teacher or play other people's music in some literally who orchestra instead of composing their own music, if your explanation about this emotional storytelling stuff is valid then why don't you make your own music and become a rich and famous composer, producer or artist

>>127507295
O_o

are you okay

>>127507044
Sometimes I'll casually read while listening to music, yeah, or pace around my room while daydreaming, though even in that activity, I'm daydreaming to the music, so it is active listening.

Best Mahler 10 adagio?

>>127507393
Just opt for whichever Mahler conductors you most enjoy and try theirs out, odds are the performance and interpretation will be up your alley. Otherwise, can't go wrong with Bernstein/Vienna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX6_TGG_waI

If you want sheer beauty without darkness, try Levi/Atlanta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVQ9Ir8T12o

Abbado/Vienna if you want it more played straight instead of Bernstein's heavily emotional and indulgent take
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H8XcPs7Foc

Or if you like it slow and atmospheric, Sinopoli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVQ9Ir8T12o

I'd probably recommend them in that order. Enjoy!

Fela Sowande: African Suite for Strings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVGbS21o8qg&list=RDWVGbS21o8qg&start_radio=1&ab_channel=OpenReel

>>127507683
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti9e7ccx7yE&list=RDti9e7ccx7yE&start_radio=1&ab_channel=NicolasR-ComposerPianist

>>127507393
I like Abbado's Adagio and Daniel Harding for the whole thing.
https://youtu.be/MyAoOilWjyU?si=hd2I4We9t2wHz96l
https://youtu.be/KzyYeChwsk8?si=VhE1HqO7Q1SC9qfL

>>127507695
not sure i'm a fan desu

fuck this is good

>>127507118
I love Renee Fleming voice but honestly she struggles in this piece sometimes. Def not the bandsaw here.

>>127507096
Nice!

>>127507080
Good arrangement but it needs a voice.

>>127508027
>but it needs a voice.
Cello is so much better to my ears. It evokes strong emotions in me, whereas the singing makes me uncomfortable.

>>127508222
gay

now playing

Elgar: The Kingdom, Op. 51, Prelude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xu96aATMFM&list=OLAK5uy_liowO4gP1pH45Ucxg1CVW9oJG80m-nKMA&index=2

start of Elgar: Violin Concerto in B Minor, Op. 61
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGygAK4lAcs&list=OLAK5uy_liowO4gP1pH45Ucxg1CVW9oJG80m-nKMA&index=3

Elgar: The Dream of Gerontius: Prelude and the Angel's Farewell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxS8yHxXtRI&list=OLAK5uy_liowO4gP1pH45Ucxg1CVW9oJG80m-nKMA&index=6

Elgar: The Dream of Gerontius: Prelude and the Angel's Farewell (Elgar's arrangement without choir - Word Premiere Recording)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhN3KQUFzZk&list=OLAK5uy_liowO4gP1pH45Ucxg1CVW9oJG80m-nKMA&index=6

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_liowO4gP1pH45Ucxg1CVW9oJG80m-nKMA

>With his probing musical intelligence and lithe, silvery sound, Thomas Zehetmair produces a version like no other. Avoiding any hint of cloying, Victorian sentimentality, he uses expressive portamentos to intensify Elgar’s ripely opulent melodies without sounding (as was Menuhin’s wont) as though he is virtually breathing his last with every phrase. If the majority of players tend (often suffocatingly) to place the concerto squarely in the Brahmsian tradition, Zehetmair points up the music’s Mendelssohnian whimsy and open-air freshness. This works wonders in the finale’s protracted cadenza, its fine-honed, sinewy, darting emotional reflexes a million miles away from the almost apocalyptic trajectory so often forced upon it.

>The Hallé and Mark Elder provide highly sympathetic and sensitive support, the engineering clarifies Elgar’s imposing textures magnificently, and the fillers are an absolute delight. ---- JULIAN HAYLOCK, The Strad

>>127508537
K

Bortkiewicz - Piano Concerto No. 1, Op. 16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbBrKano384&list=RDsbBrKano384&start_radio=1&ab_channel=SeigneurReefShark

>>127508222
https://vocaroo.com/1kGKG2mS33z3
what emotions does this evoke?

>>127507195
> one should be listening to Bach's Chaconne at least once a week. it cures anxiety and despair, affirms life and the wondrous splendor of kindred souls, increases one's capacity for love and sympathy, and gives one a glimpse of the divine and raises one closer to transcendence

Sounds like you got high off your own supply of farts

STOP, YOU VIOLATED THE LAW
PAY THE COURT A FINE OR SERVE YOUR SENTENCE PLEB

OR LET US KNOW WHAT MUSICAL TRANSGRESSIONS YOU HAVE COMMITED AGAINST THE PATRICIAN FOLK OF /CLASSICAL/ AND THE OLD GUARDIANS CLT, TALLIS, AND CELEBES

Name them anons, what shameful classical pieces have you been listening to?

>Morton Feldman - The Viola in my Life
>Eric Whitacre - Water Night
>Ola gleijo - Sanctus
>Tchaikovsky - Symphony no. 2

What are his best concertos? So far I'm liking the Cello Concertos, Viola da Gamba and the Mandolin/guitars stuff

>>127509272
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I02BxxD2M0E

>>127509339
BRAVO VINCE

>>127508558
>>127507459
>>127506458
>>127506087
>>127505431

>>127509310
A lot of Bach doesn't really click with me. I don't see why he's held so highly above other Baroque composers let alone all other composers

>>127509371
You didn't read youtube links?

>>127509386
200 gold, pay the fine and serve your sentence

>>127509386
especially with the janky ass harpsichord lmao

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Dvorak, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Webern, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Clementi, and Sibelius

That is all

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, liberate the Chopin listeners and unshackle the Mahler Neurotics with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it
>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart
>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident
>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE
>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold

>>127509403
Clearly you didn’t read either

Offenbach is very witty

>>127507358
if people think they know how music works then surely they can go ahead and do their own emotional storytelling, most people would love to make millions of dollars off of music if they could

>When they say they like Italian opera, German Romanticism, Austrian Classicism, or have read a Schenkerian Analysis

Your up next Marco, Hans and Leopold!

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U82gPH5ia78

Remember, not all Romantic composers are bad, but all bad composers do tend to be Romantic

Except Classical, every Classical composer is bad.
Below are acceptable Romantics

Liszt(late)
Any of the Russian Five
Grieg
Franck
Tarrega
Alkan
John Field
Chabrier

>>127509519
They sound like such garbage that it's kind of endearing

>2 days after the Monsieur's Birthday, still no Dbeussy general
Classibros, I don't feel so good

>>127509551
Perfect for playing while you plot world domination

>>127509272
comfy 2012

Pezold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8KKT6Xq0Tk

Weber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNR5n2NJbT4

i love this stupid retard
it's been fun learning how to play it

Never cared for Gardiner’s Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C57n_kPG49Y

>>127512061
Yep, he gives off major woke vibes.

Sometimes I like imagining Vaughan William's 9 symphonies are one long symphony. I'll just put an entire set on and listen through, it's fun and works well because he's got a consistent sound, mood, and style.

>>127512090
>woke
>despises male vocalists
Yep, checks out

>>127512154
>>despises male vocalists
wtf I like Gardiner now!?

>>127512154
Someone here told me that preferring male vocalists makes you gay. They seemed to be under the delusion that men love listening to women talk. KOEK.

>>127512061
>That covrr
Gardiner is such a fucking spiceboy. I wager he loves a good curry on a Friday night.

>>127512279
Yes sir, then he lets his wife peg him

Here is a better version
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=uRJ-rapdBGw

The English should be banned from performing Bach due to cultural appropriation (with a notable exception for those of Anglo-Norman ancestry).

>>127510487
feelings and moods aren't the same as emotions, people are being like illiterate wamen by saying that music is all about emotions

>>127512381
Wait, scratch that, Gardiner is a Norman name.

>>127512441
Edward Dutton approved classical music?

>>127512381
Harnoncourt was Austrian, like that famous mustache man artist (painter). Just ban the English.

now playing

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 6 in A Major, Op. 82
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJnnMgmIiJ0&list=OLAK5uy_kBpRr-2lmS5UHRq1HO9TqlK1HjuwFjmGY&index=2

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 7 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOL329-uICg&list=OLAK5uy_kBpRr-2lmS5UHRq1HO9TqlK1HjuwFjmGY&index=6

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 8 in B-Flat Major, Op. 84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmqWQBOUigk&list=OLAK5uy_kBpRr-2lmS5UHRq1HO9TqlK1HjuwFjmGY&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kBpRr-2lmS5UHRq1HO9TqlK1HjuwFjmGY

Strauss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPpGxrUHLO4

now that the dust has settled, this is the best set of Mendelssohn's string quartets, ye?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13f0c2C_Li8&list=OLAK5uy_l0YgvWoWe2z4xSGonv3wwWU-tCbWFn0kc&index=19

Norrington was right -- vibrato is a drug, and boy, does it feel so good :)

>>127512469
Grug's Fantasia for Solo Bone Flute - Opus 132

>>127509272
Disgust.

>>127512307
Well, considering that Gardiner created a fantasy scenario in which Bach was raped as a youth, this is quite possible.

>>127512061
>>127512279
>>127512307
>>127513634
If only modern HIPsters made their personalities historically accurate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fti-DIjxWNw

>boost your brain with le mozart and baroque music
"Best of" and similar youtube playlists are some of the worst things that could ever happen to classical music. It got reduced to background music to many who were curious to explore it. Whoever keeps propagating it surely hates classical music. Or they are imbeciles. Both.

>>127514135
fuck off and kill yourself you filthy shitskin. what part of "classical music must be gatekept." don't you fucking understand?

>>127514135
i never understood music as background noise in general, shit even ambient music captures my attention too much to be used as background noise.

>>127513634
what the fuck, is this real?

>My problem with recordings of this timeless masterpiece is that my favourite is always the one I am currently listening to, but I am confident that this is one of the very finest. ---- Ralph Moore

i know the feel, ralph

>>127514631
Me neither, background music is just unnecessary noise. If I'm doing something else, then I can't truly enjoy music as it's supposed to be enjoyed. I don't think anyone can. Classical music especially demands more attention. Sometimes just attention isn't enough and you have to look at the score, read an analysis or listen repeatedly. Music takes as much concentration and focus as proving a math theory or solving a hard differential equation problem, it is a mental exercise, and if you do not like that, you do not genuinely like classical music. Or you like it as much as pop listeners like their pop slop, a.k.a. you are a cattle.

feels like a Mahler 10 dawn at 4am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmPs8dCpwjQ&list=OLAK5uy_mdh-XZpLtEgWKb43P3BcwDrDJeVDKiPfY&index=1

>>127514649
Yes, in an interview he says that we can presume Bach was beaten and raped because the area he grew up in had crime and delinquency with one case 20 years earlier including a rape.

>>127514757
You are making classical music out to seem more complicated than it actually often is. Unless we are talking about genius composers who have genuinely complicated music like Schoenberg or some Bach and Beethoven works, it's usually just simplistic and perfectly suitable background music

>>127515080
i just like listening to classical music, i don't analyze scores or anything, but i just can't see how it could be suitable as background noise, maybe it's just my autism but i always end up focusing on the music too much, maybe some ambient music could work, but i just don't like having music on while i'm doing something, i'd rather have a podcast on in the background or something i can easily ignore.

>>127514771
I seriously can't listen to this without screaming ALMA YOU FUCKING BITCH, WHY DID YOU HURT GUSTAV SO MUCH

Medtner
https://youtu.be/-m2FsRSloc4?si=z-voXeZ1snb7iWe-

>>127515317
Without the suffering, we wouldn't have the art.

i think we can all agree that Sibelius is the greatest composer of all time.

>>127515080
>Schoenberg
>genius
Anyhow that's irrelevant.
Classical music is objectively the most sophisticated 'style' of music. It may bd harder to agree when you generalize classical music, but that's not the point. Arguing semantics is a waste of time when we both exactly what I'm talking about. Classical pieces can be the most intellectually stimulating and provide more rewarding experience in the long run. Anything that's initially difficult can become more rewarding over time. This phenomenon is linked to cognitive efforts and brain's reward system. If you have any doubts, there are studies which show that mental effort can enhabce reward value, since dopamine system is involved in effort-based decision-making and reward processing.

For context, if you disagree with me, you most likely haven't gotten into Beethoven's chamber music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzXO8b1ykk
Or you don't enjoy it as much as you could have, because you did not grasp its structure, you did not pay enough attention to it, and you missed details which could've provided more value to the piece. Since our nervous system has been shut down by modern society, it is not surprising I have to spoonfeed all this information to you.

>Since our nervous system has been shut down by modern society
lmfao

>>127515317
at one point she also made him happy, why not give her credit for that?

>>127515497
you're just a consoomer like anyone else but being a pretentious jerk about it, especially if you haven't had formal training in the music theory and whatnot, and the music theory can't really explain anything useful anyway

>>127515708
Predictable response. You're no different from pop listeners in any meaningful way kek

>>127515721
>You're no different from pop listeners in any meaningful way kek
Does that matter? We enjoy what we enjoy, we're not here because we're trying to be superior.

>>127515721
you're larping like you have some kind of mozart tier intellect and vast experience with playing the piano and composing music etc, more likely you're far below average intelligence and being dunning-kruger

>>127515731
It doesn't matter, you're right. Nothing does. Enjoy your pop music.

>>127515743
>Enjoy your pop music.
But I listen to classical.

>>127515746
Zero difference, since you treat it like pop.

>>127515752
If you say so.

>Claudio Arrau played all Bach’s keyboard works, first giving them in a series of twelve recitals in 1935. And at the time of his death in 1991 he was considering recording them all. However, his actual recorded Bach legacy is comparatively small: some Inventions and Partitas, the Chromatic Fantasia and Fugue – and this set of the Goldbergs.

depressing. oh what could and should have been. let's see how this Goldbergs is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUvgjWGVzUs&list=OLAK5uy_lcgRaFmso8yR53Ff4gqqcnG1Cs062ZsVY&index=1

>It has a curious history, set out in the brief sleevenote for this issue, from which I am drawing. Arrau made the recording in 1942 for RCA, following a successful recital. However, he agreed to delay its release so as not to compete with Wanda Landowska’s new recording. It then sat in the vaults. Arrau transferred to CBS (and later to Philips), so it was not issued until 1988. Now it has been remastered by Andrew Rose for Pristine Classics.

thoughts on Stenhammar?

I've said it before but goddamn, Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 16 is a legitimate stinker. I have yet to hear a recording of it I like, and I've heard plenty. It's just so clunky, awkward, and ultimately off-putting sonically.

>>127515814
Decent, worth checking out, his string quartets as well. But nothing special or particularly noteworthy. One of those "worth checking out because they're not standard repertoire and are decent" composers.

now playing

start of R. Strauss: Macbeth, Op. 23, TrV 163
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECcIZVNHdiI&list=OLAK5uy_mEjLlGm8aGFFr6v0aCDXbi7HWBVACbKww&index=66

start of R. Strauss: Tod und Verklärung, Op. 24, TrV 158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hiRLSjP5lg&list=OLAK5uy_mEjLlGm8aGFFr6v0aCDXbi7HWBVACbKww&index=69

start of R. Strauss: Ein Heldenleben, Op. 40, TrV 190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1HNmlIW4Dw&list=OLAK5uy_mEjLlGm8aGFFr6v0aCDXbi7HWBVACbKww&index=72

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mEjLlGm8aGFFr6v0aCDXbi7HWBVACbKww

A spirited and glorious way to start what will hopefully be a lively and glorious day.

>>127515814
His second symphony is the best Nordic symphony ever composed.

>>127516205
see >>127515403, also Nielsen? hell I might even prefer Alfven's symphonies to Stenhammar. and I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Allan Pettersson for the depressives here

>>127516225
Nielsen is the only real competition.

>>127515733
Mozart wasn’t an intellectual though. He was just very good at pressing keys in the (((correct))) order- he was a retard with everything else

>>127514757
Rofl

I'm jammin to this
https://youtu.be/Mrxs_jnRI1I?feature=shared

Thoughts on Bach?

>>127516325
underrated and obscure

>>127516325
Bach and Rach are perfect.

feel like going through an unfamiliar set of Tchaikovsky's symphonies, and decided on Temirkanov/RPO

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 1 in G Minor, Op. 13 "Winter Dreams"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmBo3wB0d_s&list=OLAK5uy_n5WRw6iD9CE_AW9aMaaPr_e3yeZh_V41w&index=2

start of Tchaikovsky: Swan Lake Suite, Op. 20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeJgVhrN1iA&list=OLAK5uy_n5WRw6iD9CE_AW9aMaaPr_e3yeZh_V41w&index=6

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 2 in C Minor, Op. 17 "Little Russian"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldqrbNvhzU4&list=OLAK5uy_n5WRw6iD9CE_AW9aMaaPr_e3yeZh_V41w&index=11

Tchaikovsky: Francesca da Rimini, Op. 32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDkgxJI1C7g&list=OLAK5uy_n5WRw6iD9CE_AW9aMaaPr_e3yeZh_V41w&index=15

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 3 in D Major, Op. 29 "Polish"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNtcPi3onSg&list=OLAK5uy_n5WRw6iD9CE_AW9aMaaPr_e3yeZh_V41w&index=15

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n5WRw6iD9CE_AW9aMaaPr_e3yeZh_V41w

This one never had much commercial success or popular acclaim. However, critics seem to hold it in high esteem, and I've enjoyed what other few Temirkanov recordings I've heard, so let's give it a shot. I also added Pletnev's cycle on DG with the Russian National Orchestra -- I usually avoid Pletnev's conducting but what the hell, can't hurt -- and plan to revisit Petrenko/Royal Liverpool.

Always fun to listen through different and new sets of Tchaikovsky's symphonies! It's interesting that there isn't much interpretive variance between various recordings, unlike, say, Mahler or Bruckner or Beethoven, yet the handful of performing decisions there are to make prove consequential and distinctive, and even for a layperson not too familiar with the works, can make-or-break the works entirely; eg. a 4th in the hands of one conductor can be dull and tedious, and another vigorous and powerful.

>>127516469
adding to the list to listen to: Bichkov/Czech Philharmonic and Kitajenko/Gürzenich Orchestra Cologne

this Temirkanov 1st sounds great so far tho, definitely worth listening to for fans of Tchaikovsky, these symphonies, and Russian romanticism in general

>>127515824
you're just not sophisticated enough to understand the emotional storytelling >>127515497

>>127515497
I don't think anyone worth their salt will read your post if it starts with a refusal of Schoenberg's genius

>>127516920
>Schoenberg
>genius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kUX_dhWoY0&list=OLAK5uy_lUnC3gsoxHPrx3TisoBp1-mB5mc73rlSg&index=1

Copypasting Brahms, Mozart and slapping inorganic atonality on it will never be "genius". His serial music is awful in every possible way imaginable. If you had paid attention, you'd know. Early Schoenberg is just 'fine'.

>>127517001
Speak on that.

I had this dream where Beethoven’s 23rd sonata first movement had multiple drum kits several vocaloid and talk box parts and sounded like Girl Don’t Tell Me. I was so disappointed it was just a dream

>>127516920
>t if it starts with a refusal of Schoenberg's genius
Lol lmao even a rofl perhaps

Speaking of geniuses, new video about Chopin sonata no.3

>Garrick Ohlsson Breaks Down "One Of The Greatest Pieces Ever Written"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPzAURF1-UM

:3

>>127517921
Very cool, thanks.

Best Haydn 1?

>>127518027
You're not going to ask this 106 times now, are you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ynC1RB3kY
Really digging this, does it count as classical or is it just orchestral?

>>127518919
It's art music/classical, ye

best Haydn 2?

>>127518027
>>127519112
Dorati recorded the complete cycle. That's your answer for all.

>>127519112
Fuck off.

>>127519112
>>127518027
i agree with >>127519129
EXCEPT Pinnock for the Sturm und Drang symphonies, Karajan, Bernstein or Harnoncourt for the Paris Symphonies, and Jochum for the London Symphonies, Dorati for everything else.

now playing

start of Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D Minor, Op. 70, B. 141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLJblWRkJuY&list=OLAK5uy_lRolaW51D8eJKin79ysKOr87D0SFKC6Hc&index=2

start of Dvorak: Symphony No. 8 in G Major, Op. 88, B. 163
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9W9QtKz54&list=OLAK5uy_lRolaW51D8eJKin79ysKOr87D0SFKC6Hc&index=6

start of Dvorak: Symphony No. 9 in E Minor, Op. 95, B. 178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQi_dChAffY&list=OLAK5uy_lRolaW51D8eJKin79ysKOr87D0SFKC6Hc&index=10

Nature, Life and Love: In Nature's Realm, Op. 91, B. 168
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZRbSFojA0g&list=OLAK5uy_lRolaW51D8eJKin79ysKOr87D0SFKC6Hc&index=13

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lRolaW51D8eJKin79ysKOr87D0SFKC6Hc

Some places gave these performances positive review. While searching the album cover, I saw Hurwitz's video review pop up among the results and the title called it "joyless and gluey," so guess we'll see what that means lol. Or it'll be good.

>>127519203
I quite agree I found it both joyless and gluey

best Sibelius Violin Concerto recording?

>>127513879
>You have live by the mores of the 18th century if you like the sound of the harpsichord
Take your meds, sisterposter

Best letter of the alphabet?
Best day of the week?
Best zodiac sign?
Best color?

>>127519203
It’s Dvořák

>>127520459
>Best letter of the alphabet?
C
>Best day of the week?
Wednesday
>Best zodiac sign?
Aries
>Best color?
Indigo

>>127520459
Drop what you are doing and rank the cloud formations, right now

>>127519203
yeah like >>127520500 said, it's "Dvořák" you REYTARD, get it right.

Best Schübler Chorales?

is Kanye West modern classical music?

>>127520551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEQVlGzusWQ

>>127520459
>Best letter of the alphabet?
D
>Best day of the week?
Saturday
>Best zodiac sign?
Sagitarrius followed by Aries, Taurus, and Capricorn
>Best color?
Green

>>127520563
"Is mayonnaise an instrument" type of question

>>127520615
green fucking sucks, it's fucking diarrhea color my choice of Indigo was better

127520615
127520512
Zombies (NPC) love ranking things

rank the rankings ITT

>>127520394
anyone have any idea? what could the best (objective) recording be?

>>127520639
i rank this post an F-tier

>>127520639
They need to be told what to think.

>>127504520
thanks

>>127520459
H (for my name!)
Friday (weekend!)
Pisces (my sign!)
Green (nature yay!)

>>127520635
never had green diarrhea in my life

>>127521453
narcissist

>>127520615
>>127521453
all these wage cucks picking weekends cause muh day off, i can't imagine working.

>>127522219
very brave of you to talk up to humans

>>127520639
>>127520651
>>127520674
>>127521453
>>127522219
>>127522989
>t. Mozart, Chopin, and Brahms listeners
No wonder you guys are so moody and depressed, remember

BABIAA

Nothing like Vivaldi, Josquin, Palestrina, Chabrier, and Ravel to help bring some joy to your lives.

>>127521453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP887IpQL00

Is Debussy getting his thread?

Mozart/Seyfried

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAvfzzSVfK0

>>127524952
Always finish on the Bach, never Debussy

NEW THREAD

>>127525163
>>127525163
>>127525163

>>127525165
Mozart hating gigachad poster in shambles

>>127525152
is that an innuendo

>>127525165
Threads before 310 shouldn't be allowed. Respect /classical/ etiquette or fuck outta here.

>>127525193
Because 8 posts have so much room for discussion

>>127525193
This is just pure autism, under all accounts the thread is already on it's death knell. Doing it a few posts too early is not wrong at all

>>127523459
Vivaldi was a thief

>>127520639
Got a source for that chuddie?

NEW THREAD

>>127525288
>>127525288
>>127525288

Mahler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwkJzSuDjp4

>>127516300
Not classical

>>127525295
Not the best Mahler 2.

>>127525308
What's wrong with Scherchen?

>>127525318
He performed music by religiously Jewish composers (schoenberg). His performances are immoral. Mahler can be excused as he was just ethnically jewish

>>127496269 (OP)
Hey its Elon Musk