Thread 127498100

How are they even considered grunge? They are more post-punk/hardcore/alternative rock.

Ban Nirvana threads

>>127498100 (OP)
Grunge is a joke label made up by Sub Pop records

>>127498100 (OP)
>considered grunge
who considers them grunge, and why do you care what they think?

>>127498114
This is now a based Mudhoney thread

>>127498100 (OP)
They needed a buzzword to call this new breed of 'weird rock' that came from the 80s college rock underground and had this dirty unpolished sound that was the complete opposite of the slick corporate glam metal rock played on TV

>>127498100 (OP)
Grunge was never a real genre
They can all be lumped into other things really easily
>Nirvana
Punk
>Pearl Jam
Hard Rock
>Soundgarden
Hard Rock
>Alice in Chains
Metal

>>127498100 (OP)
CORRECT. Nirvana were an Olympia Post-Hardcore/alternative band, not a Seattle hard rock band. The only reason they are considered grunge is because of the marketing strategy of Sub Pop

>>127498100 (OP)
>They are slash slash slash slash slash
That's why retard

If AIC and Mudhoney are "grunge", I think it's only fair to call Nirvana grunge. If you're going to use that label at all. They're somewhere in the middle of those two.

>>127498672
Wouldn't those all just be alt rock? Or dad rock at this point. GenXcore

>>127498100 (OP)
And they make awful music. Kurt Cobain writes horrible songs and sings like a cow.

>>127500218
This is just factually incorrect.

>>127500231
Wrong. It's the most accurate thing you could possibly say about Nirvana.

>>127498100 (OP)
Nirvana is clearly grunge, In Bloom, Lithium, Teen Spirit, Heart-Shaped Box, are all grunge. Songs that I'd say aren't grunge, would be : About a Girl, Dumb, Molly's Lips.

>>127500218
ok Eddie

>>127500263
Whenever I hear Teen Spirit I think he's saying "BLOODY NIGHT OWL, BLOODY NIGHT OWL." I never bothered to look up the lyrics.

>>127500249
Alright, post your vocals and your best created melodies.
He wasn't that good at anything else, but he mogged everyone here. And proved that's all you really need. If you're better than him, you should be ruling the world atm.

>>127500284
>Alright, post your vocals and your best created melodies.
Why is this the prerequisite to giving only negative opinions and not positive ones? I can do that by the way, but I'm not going to because it's completely unnecessary. But since you want to work like that, post yours before you go on saying this band is any good. If you can't say something is bad without posting your music then you can't say it's good either.

>>127498100 (OP)
Grunge is not a real genre, it was made up my media to describe any Seattle band in the early 90s.

>>127500336
Well, I'd love to hear it, for one. Maybe you're good. Someone who dismisses Kurt like he's nothing must be.
I'm not anywhere near him. I play guitar.. but I'm not a great singer or write catchy earworms like he did. So why would I post anything? I'll tell you right now I don't live up.

>>127500363
Yes it is, is a type of rock music that feels heavy or slow, and grating on the ears. I can easily tell whether a song is grunge or not just by listening, it feels "grey/suffocating" like brutalist architecture.

>>127500218
You millennials just don't understand good music. Go back to listening to taylor swift and coldplay, faggot!

>>127500284
2008 youtube comment section ahh comment

>>127498125
Sub Pop was a small shit label that couldn't even pay Nirvana 600 bucks to record their first album.
Let alone run a marketing campaign to promote a new rock genre in mainstream media.

That's why Cobain wanted to sign a new label and started writing more tuneful songs. He was hoping to get a deal with an actual label capable of making their music available in stores.

>>127498100 (OP)
They're math rock

>>127498100 (OP)
They are shoegaze and/or dream pop

Were Grelvins munge?

>>127500639
>Mudhoney
>raging primal grunginess
1989

>>127500385
If you're not as good as Kurt Cobain how would you have any way of assessing that? And no, I'm not going to post my music here. That's not what this thread is about and I always get twenty responses from people saying something along the lines of "stealing this" because I actually am good. Everything I post gets stolen. People want to have written my songs.

>>127500482
You gen X'ers don't know what good music is because you think the only alternative to a shitty band like Nirvana is more shit.

Grunge to me has more humour, less polish. more diminish 5ths and dom 7ths.

Blew - Nirvana is a grunge song but they’re not fully grunge.

Maybe Melvin’s, Dinosaur Jr, Butthole Surfers are more grunge than the big four. They are more fun and shit sounding.

>>127500639
Sub Pop is indeed a shit label. Tones of great albums flopped thanks to them. They shouldn't exist and any decent band still on that label is dumb for not having left already.

>>127502897
I really hate this idea that music that sounds like shit is somehow good. Also, cringe "gross out" band names like the Butthole Surfers, Anal Cunt etc. are so fucking pointless and stupid. Who are they trying to shock? Eighty year old women aren't going to be buying their records. It reeks of gen X and serves absolutely no purpose. That entire generation can not mature past the age of fourteen.

>>127500639
Sub Pop is indeed a shit label. Tons of great albums flopped thanks to them. They shouldn't exist and any decent band still on that label is dumb for not having left already.

>>127502915
You just don’t get grunge, man

Jokes aside, it is a party gig scene, it’s easy to forget that music in those days was about playing in front of people, your drunk and stoned friends, not producing on your laptop

>>127502915
Also it was of the time - 80s horror on video was so great and gory compared to the feminised slick two people in a house premise of the last decade, not sure what I’m saying right now it’s late

>>127498100 (OP)
It depends on your definition of grunge.

If grunge to you isn't just alternative rock bands from seattle from the early 90s, then it is bands that kind like nirvana, so Alice In Chains and Soundgarden were never grunge

>>127500750
Lol this type of writing sounds so pastiche today with how many people have mocked this era of music and the culture surrounding it. This is music for old people and it shows with the faggy way in which people write about it. I'm surprised people still hadn't dropped this shit by 1989, Spinal Tap had already come out several years earlier. And the photographs are really cliche as well. Like why the fuck is the audience climbing on the stage? "It's rock 'n roll, maaaan." Makes me want to vomit. This is shit is embarrassing.

>>127502989
You don’t like fun with friends? You sound like the old man you think they are. I suppose they would have thought the fun people were having 30 years before them was lame too

>>127503025
Well my friends are now all in their late twenties and early thirties so why would we act like the most retarded 9th graders on earth? I know you can't understand that because your generation (gen X) is mentally stunted and have to say "I bet you're fun at parties" anytime someone calls you out on your unfunny, uncool juvenile shit that reeks of fifty years ago.

>>127503025
Also, I like how people of your generation think that anyone who isn't a mentally stunted jackass is "anti-fun." It's like you have this one very specific, very outdated concept of fun and can't accept anything else as being fun. You fancy yourselves the authority on what is and isn't fun like a bunch of faggots.

>>127503036
What is the argument, that people should act their age? Well they were young then and didn’t have the bitterising internet and have families now I guess, do you have family? Act your age

>>127503025
And another thing, why is maturity like the devil for your generation?

>>127503072
What are you doing? They acted that way when they were young, they perform concerts — is that not good to you, like they should have stopped? Why don’t you tell them that

>>127503065
No actually, I enjoy going out drinking with my friends, partying, etc. What I'm saying is your version of that is cringe and cliche as fuck. That's all I'm saying. Not that you shouldn't have fun. It's that people in your age range are and always have been cringe while doing it.

>>127503077
Ok so you’re setting down a criteria for what fun should be?/

>>127503076
Plenty of bands have performed concerts without embodying the specific criticisms that I'm giving to this scene. Are you just going to pretend you don't understand a word I say now or are you actually retarded?

>>127503082
No, you can be a jackass if you want. I can also say you're a jackass.

>>127503086
Ok ok, their version of fun is cringe to you, but that’s probably what makes it fun for them, so why are you putting limits on fun

>>127503091
I never put limits on fun, I am making fun of you because your version of fun is cringe and timestamped. Do you understand?

>>127503098
Today I’ve been maligned as an Indian shill and a gen x who does fun wrong - like in real life - not at a keyboard

>>127503098
I bet you’ve aren’t fun at parties, probably never been to one

>>127503167
Your assumption is inaccurate and it's also weird how that's the first insult you can think of. You can be fun at parties without being an annoying piece of shit. Not everybody is into that. Believe it or not, people actually seen to enjoy shooting the shit with me and I'm not an overbearing or tiring person. I don't know why the fuck I'm defending my character for you washed up fucks. Generation X is so weirdly militant when it comes to this, it's like you look down on anybody who isn't a perpetual frat boy like yourselves. It's way more cringe than you realize.

>>127503167
Your assumption is inaccurate and it's also weird how that's the first insult you can think of. I've been to multiple parties in the past month and have more lined up. You can be fun at parties without being an annoying piece of shit. Not everybody is into that. Believe it or not, people actually seen to enjoy shooting the shit with me and I'm not an overbearing or tiring person. I don't know why the fuck I'm defending my character for you washed up fucks. Generation X is so weirdly militant when it comes to this, it's like you look down on anybody who isn't a perpetual frat boy like yourselves. It's way more cringe than you realize.

>>127503167
God forbid if someone is actually chill in real life and not a corny ass stereotype from 1990 come to life.

>>127503167
Have you ever been to a party though? You're probably that guy who everyone always worries about whether or not he's gonna show up and then their hearts drop when you do because they know they'll have to deal with your shit. When I go to parties, I leave people wanting more. With you, they're just relieved that they don't have to deal with your creepy, washed up, cringe old ass anymore because you don't know how uncomfortable you're making people.

>>127503317
Thanks for delineating the correct way to have fun

>>127500422
No it doesn’t. Screaming Trees sound like Oasis, Nirvana like Fugazi/Wipers, AiC like Metal, Mudhoney like lofi Stooges. It’s not a real genre defined by musical qualities

>>127503341
I never did that. You're guessing things about me and I'm guessing things about you. The only difference is that I'm definitely better at this than you are because I'm going off of real things and not simply being pissed off that someone talked shit about a newspaper article. You want to talk about having fun? You got triggered because I said that a cliche scene from thirty years ago is cringe and timestamped. People don't have patience for creepy fifty year old guys who act like annoying frat boys. I hope you're at least hanging out with people your age, because I've encountered a few people like you trying to force themselves into my friend group of sexy millennials. I'll give you a hint: we all fucking hate you.

>>127498100 (OP)
Grunge isn't really a sound. If you think about it AIC and PJ sound really different. It's more of a cultural movement and a commercial label to sell.

>>127503372
No you did, you said, don’t be a fag, or an annoying piece of shit, and then leave. Now everyone knows how to have fun, if only you were at every party to quietly inform fun infringers of their transgressions, like a fun policeman sort of figure

>>127503394
Yeah, that's right. Don't. You give people the creeps. Few things are more upsetting than a weird fifty year old guy who acts like he's twenty. At least don't inflict your shit on people twenty years younger than you, creep.

>>127503412
You keep making these insane assumptions, I don’t know any 50 year old acting like a 20 year old except maybe the hippies at dance festivals. But what do you have against them, the girls like them more than you or something

>>127503394
For the record I never said what to do in the post you're alluding to, but if you ever feel like dropping your cringe bullshit, that would be fine too.

>>127503445
Actually, the girls are the ones who complain about them all the time. The guys, myself included, are just like "Mmhmm, yeah, that guy's a creep." I'm sure you don't see yourself that way but that is how you come across. I promise you, it's guys like you who are the ones people are always worried about showing up.

>>127503458
There you go again, I’m not a gen x 50 year old who gatecrashes parties and climbs trees and is loud. Like this is an ongoing problem for you? This happens to you regularly? Good one

>>127503487
We were dealing with one of you a few months ago but I think he finally got the message, thank god. You're definitely a fifty something weirdo who crashes parties and leaves thinking that women half your age were into them while everybody talks about how much of a creep you are. You're backing out now because maybe you're realizing that that's you.

>>127503526
You’re a square fascist who never goes to parties and has no friends that aren’t avatars

>>127503584
I've been to multiple parties in the past month and have more lined up, dumbass. Do you think that going to a party is some kind of huge achievement or something? I'm starting to think you actually don't get invited to parties anymore because you creeped too many people out. If you have any kind of social life you get invited to parties. I don't know how I've given you the impression that I'm square because I accurately called you out on your bullshit. You probably don't know either. But trust me, it's not that hard to get invited to parties if you aren't a creepy weirdo in his fifties.

>>127503584
You don't have to seethe over the fact that nobody wants you around. If I'm a square for not being an annoying, creepy weirdo like you are then everyone you're trying so hard to impress is too, because I promise you, no one is into your shit. Like I said, I don't know if you actually go to parties or if you stopped getting invited because people are trying to hide them from you now, but seriously, fuck off and give people space. You are in no way making it more "fun" by being there. People long for the moment that you leave.

>>127503351
Grunge is about as real as most other genres, they mix, and there is often confusion (post-hardcore vs metalcore etc...) with people constantly bickering whether a certain band belongs or not to a genre. The song Supersonic by Oasis definitely is grunge, even if sources won't call it so. Dinosaur jr was like proto-grunge https://youtu.be/1av6Xrh2SNE?si=02QpOJ8K6Y_JNW2K

>>127503645
I knew you’d get mad, classic non party person

>>127503663
Woah, you knew someone would get mad about having baseless assumptions made about them? Are you a scientist? And I can't still believe we're talking about parties. I've already established multiple times that I do in fact go to parties. I really don't know why this is such a profound concept for you. Again, probably because you stopped getting invited to them due to your own creepy behavior.

> Dive, dive, dive, dive in me
> Dive in me
**Proco rat cranking to 100**

>>127500197
Grandad rock at this point
Dad rock is MCR

>>127503351
i think Grunge falls in category between genre and movement/scene, there are some similarities between bands specially in guitar tone due to most of them being from Seattle or areas near Seattle(or influenced by bands from there).

But yeah, it's kind of like post-hardcore or nu-metal, in the sense that it describes a movement of various sounds rather than a straight genre.

Nirvana is more post-hardcore and punk with some metal ala Black Sabbath here and there

Alice in Chains is metal
Pearl Jam is classic hard rock,really bluesy
Soundgarden is metal/hard rock/stoner depending on the album.

That said they all share a somewhat similar guitar tone aesthetic and attitude
>>127503655
Supersonic Grunge? it's a great song but is not grunge at all, more psychedelic and maybe a little garage rock.

>>127504295
How is Oasis sonically different from Screaming Trees?

>>127504315
>Screaming Trees
show me an example i haven't listened to them but their RYM page shows Neo-Psychedelia as a genre, Oasis music is also classified as that sometimes so just because their songs may share some similarities due that element does not make Supersonic grunge, and it's only one band from the entire grunge scene, you are making a false equivalence i'm afraid

It's like saying that a song from slowdive is alt metal because Deftones made songs that overlap the genre of Alt Metal and Shoegaze.

>>127504346
They always had a clean psychedelic rock sound.
https://youtu.be/1lfd7zeHRRs?si=X9vLRHlXqftDb93-
https://youtu.be/PE5f561Y1x4?si=DAC81SBMbWJa4Vlx
and they were part of the original seattle grunge scene and nobody would ever claim they weren’t grunge.

>>127504346
>>127504411
I wasn’t the anon who said Supersonic was Grunge, but that’s because Grunge isn’t a real genre. And the styles of Oasis and Screaming Trees are identical.

>>127498114
I wish.

Do you even know what Nirvana means, saar?

>>127498672
>alice in chains is metal but soundgarden isn't
soundgarden was way heavier than alice 'n memes
https://youtu.be/Szht5RFy-LQ?si=6hv52a7L6JZJ0Fmw