Thread 127505276

Whats the difference between groove metal and nu-metal?

what's the difference between groove metal and beatdown

>>127505276 (OP)
Groove has more thrash influence

>>127505359
and less hip-hop influence

im wondering riff wise

>>127505276 (OP)
So pantera and lamb of god are groove. Limp bizkit, LP and Godsmack are nu-metal. There are no performative hip-hop or electronic elements in groove metal. I believe nu-metal is like made for the masses with catchy melodies and accessible singing, it’s just more marketable.Groove metal still has guttural vocals while nu-metal (which is kind of an umbrella term) doesn’t. I mean sometimes serj and sully did gutturals but it’s not like a staple of nu-metal

>>127505851
pantera was pretty damn popular, and slipknot had harsh vocals despite being very popular

>>127505906
Agree on both, but pantera wasn’t formulated to be popular. They were just good and became popular. They weren’t engineered to be radio friendly like nu-metal. That’s what I meant ultimately. don’t get me wrong though, I do like early LP and SOAD but you can tell some of their contemporaries were stock and engineered. Also, Slipknot is weird because they made really heavy shit at first but they gained mass appeal because of their appearance, so they walked that line between legit and corporate.

Nu metal is derived from Funk metal

>this album reached #1 at Billboard
literally how

>>127506939
maybe momentum from the previous album? Is that a possibility?

>>127505276 (OP)
which is the groove part on stuff like Strength Beyond Strength and Suicide Note part 2?


I can see it in stuff like walk and mouth for war.

>>127505276 (OP)
Nu-metal is metal infused with hip hop (wiggers)
Groove metal is metal infused with desert stripper blues (neo nazis)

>>127505851
Nu metal swaps guttural for more screaming, like old limp bizkit

>>127507160
and to think that Megadeth failed to do the same despite their repeated attempts through the 90s to sound more and more mainstream at each iteration, brutal

>>127507289
>Strength Beyond Strength
0:40 and 1:10
>Suicide Note part 2
1:10 and then the breakdown that's literally half the song. You could say the breakdown is just a slow part with no groove as there is no syncopation but, in metal, slow and rhythm based part = groove.

>>127505276 (OP)
They both suck so it doesn't really matter

>>127507424
>>Strength Beyond Strength
>0:40 and 1:10
The bit at 0:40 makes sense. i can see the part at 1:10 well, the obvious comparison would be to the breakdown in domination.
What about the slow back n forth sound at 2:04 in the song?

Where does stuff like the fast initial riff fit into the idea of groove metal? Is it just to contrast the groove parts?

>>Suicide Note part 2
>1:10 and then the breakdown that's literally half the song. You could say the breakdown is just a slow part with no groove as there is no syncopation but, in metal, slow and rhythm based part = groove.
I can hear the groove feel at 1:10 (and the riff right before it).

The breakdown at 2:38 is very similar to the intro but slower.
Is 4 chugged power chords in a row then 4 of those siren noises enough to be groove? The siren noise is whammy pedal + chord (and maybe pinch harmonic) or something like that.


Are there genres of metal that focus on those simple fast parts at the start which are very dissonant? It definitely doesn't seem like thrash to me.

>>127506939
It's a great album

>>127508057
The siren noise is from the Digitech Whammy pedal he uses not a PH.

>alice in chains
>soundgarden
>pantera
Three best bands of the 90s

>>127508187
I know he uses both sometimes.

>>127505851
theres basically no hip-hop or electronic elements in godsmack.

The one exception is a song on their self titled album. Time bomb has some electronic elements in the synth, but its half way to being a rip off of NIN's last

>>127505276 (OP)
Groove is just slowed down thrash, nu metal kind of took the same tempo from groove but used hip hop style beats and rhyming which gave birth to bands like korn and limp bizkit. I honestly can't think of a groove band outside of pantera worth listening to.

>>127510613
is there a difference in riffs?

>>127506939
Metallica sold out and started making bluesy alternative garbage with load and reload, other major metal bands who had been around as long as them did the same to cash in on the alternative/grunge scene that was dominating the rock scene in the early 90's. Pantera was one of the few bands to still wave the flag in the face of all the sellouts and put out heavy music which all of the fans of the aforementioned bands alienated by changing their sound and look craved.

>>127510681
Most nu metal bands tuned the guitars down really low and mixed in a lot of clean tone with their distortion riffs using occasional pinch harmonics with whatever chords sounded the heaviest in those tunings. Solos weren't really a thing either, some songs had them song and some didn't. Some bands just didn't do them entirely. Groove is a bit more straight forward only slightly down tuning their guitars while still doing solos and utilizing pinch harmonics more frequently. It really all just depends on the band.

>>127508881
Godsmack is AiC from wish.com.

Nu-metal was a cultural movement while groove wasn't. Nu-metal was a reaction to grunge. Stylistically, though, nu-metal is spectral, so any attempt to study its' specific nuance is moot. If you aren't deaf, you can easily hear the differences when comparing groove and nu-metal. There may also be something said about groove being a reaction to glam.

>>127505276 (OP)
scandinavians came up with death metal and black metal which is just over the top distortion and growling vocals. of course when you push anything past the limits you start reaching the law of diminishing returns.

so Pantera comes a long and makes metal that is just as hard and brutal as death/black metal but does not resort to growling or 20 distortion pedals and so they have to drop a label on it, so they call it groove metal simply because they dont have a good name for metal bands that are actually melodic and have good vocals with kick ass lyrics

>>127510935
Phil himself originally called it "power groove" but that eventually just got shortened down to groove. If you really listen to CFH you can still hear some of that power metal influence in certain songs but just barely.

>>127505318
Well for one, groove doesn't have gutturals

>>127510828
Technically grunge was a reaction to glam, and death metal was a reaction to thrash becoming too polished. I blame Anthrax for that one.

>>127511072
Grunge was a reaction to punk

>>127511072
Ironic considering Pantera and AiC got their start as glam acts.

>>127505359
>>127505423
100%

>>127505276 (OP)
I can’t think of literally any other album as hard as Far Beyond Driven that debuted at #1 on the charts. Black Album maybe, but that’s not hard at all. Pantera were the fucking kings in the 90’s.

>>127510613
>I honestly can't think of a groove band outside of pantera worth listening to.
>>127510969
>If you really listen to CFH you can still hear some of that power metal influence in certain songs but just barely.
Yeah barely, what gave it away, the faggy ass falsetto? Dumbass

Would early staind count as groove metal:

https://staind.bandcamp.com/album/tormented

The guitarist mentioned panthers and sabbath as influences

>>127511632
If you were a metal band that formed in the mid to late 90’s and you WEREN’T influenced by Pantera, then something. Is wrong with you.

>>127511764
There bands formed before then that may have taken a bit of influence too

>>127511849
Ok not 100% sure about this one

>>127511858
Example of a song from that album, does this resemble groove metal:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VmOWc3dKtE4

a possible example of groove, strange highways: https://youtube.com/watch?v=76Ucu8AFISM

Unlike angry machiens which came out in 1996, this came out in 1992, so i dunno how much influence it couldve taken.

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>>127505276 (OP)
Nu metal exists

>>127506659

Before the term was popularized by press, that stuff was called cross-over metal, because back then it was considered crossing over several genres.