Thread 127517507

Why is hardcore punk the only active rock music scene? The singers all sound like complete shit. The lyrics are supposed to be edgy or politically relevant but are completely indecipherable. The crowds are just a bunch of goofy dweebs flailing their arms around and doing spin kicks at other people who aren't looking at them. I guess it's good that they are getting some exercise but it's like a Pilates class for dweebs with fake aggression set to a really shitty soundtrack.

>>127517507 (OP)
For the same reason that leftism is the only allowed ideology in society

>>127517507 (OP)
It's mostly young men and I think it's probably about working off excess energy.

>>127517507 (OP)
>Why is hardcore punk the only active rock music scene?
its not

>>127517507 (OP)
Low barrier of entry and high energy live performances that gives men a cathartic outlet for their anti-social impulses. And it's fun.

I went to a show this weekend that, among other things, had hardcore bands
It was cringey as fuck. Everyone wearing band tees for 40 year old bands, the singers all doing the same 'stomping back and forth while growling incomprehensibly into the mic' schtick, all the songs were called shit like 'malice corrupted' and 'rotten cult' and shit like that, and between every song the singers would take breaks to talk about how the scene's not dead and it's great to see so many people turn out (the venue was half empty). Every song sounded the same, and the crowd was a combination of wiry balding men, fat women, and trans people who were all easily discernible because, among other things, they all wore masks and wigs, and the 'mosh pit' was just the same 5 really drunk guys windmilling their arms while running in circles.
I've seen more hardcore punk bands live than I care to count, and not a single one has had a shred of originality or done anything memorable or unique. Everyone's just going through the motions to be part of a scene that won't be completely dead any time soon but also won't flourish ever again.

>>127517662
The people at these shows are extremely puritanical. They just want to throw goofy punches at people who aren't looking and "be part of something, anything" with other goofballs desperately pretending they're not a bunch of pussies. And the music sucks.

>>127517730
yeah i imagine the scene do be like that if you live in Seattle or Portland

Hardcore peaked in the 90s / early 2000s. Since then a handful of good bands come in waves and then hundreds of other copycat bands pop up.

>>127517748
Ok

>>127517748
Where do you live?

>>127517730
all middle class cosplayers. if this was 1982 none of those people would be caught dead near a punk show they'd be terrified of the crowd they attracted and they'd just stick to a Journey or Yes concert.

>>127517792
This is true. The last time the scene had any life and originality was the 00's melodic hardcore era. Hardcore has been spinning it's wheels and offering up endeless pastiche after the crop of bands like Blacklisted, Ruiner, and Modern Life Is War came and went.

diy emo is just as alive and is great to see

>>127517883
Have Heart's "final" show in '09 was the turning point for me.

>>127517507 (OP)
Punk doesn't take much talent and is easy to get, it's just simple power chords and shit vocals.

Hardcore peaked in the 80s. Bands like Youth Of Today were unbelievable. Verbal Abuse was incredible too. No idea what the scene is like now. But some of those 80s bands tore the venues down.

>>127517973
back then you could have the venue taken over by Hells Angels, the crowd would rush the stage and kick the shit out of the singer if they didn't like his performance, people would get their teeth broken, set on fire, etc

>>127517966
Yeah great so you posted on Bridge 9

>>127517985
The 80s were seriously all kinds of wild.

>>127518111
the late 60s to early 90s was an extreme era with tons of crime, serial killers, biker gangs, urban decay, and the Sexual Revolution

>>127518155
Yeah thats generally the case in a 40+ year old genre. You either push boundaries far enough that you aren't even really a hardcore band anymore (see: turnstile) or you stay derivative of decodes old bands.

>>127517821
Thanks.
>>127518155
Setting aside whatever weird categorizations you have for "new" and "old," isn't it possible that some of the things in your "new" category just really suck?

>>127517859
>all middle class cosplayers
Holy fucking truth nuke.
I went to a The Microphones concert and it was all white middle class people. I laughed during the concert and they all looked at me like I was an alien who wasn't supposed to laugh because "the art bro!!!!"

>>127518193
>decodes old bands

>>127518193
well fuck, Led Zeppelin made their own completely original take on blues standards so it's not like they were doing a note by note imitation of Mississippi John Hurt anyway

>>127519207
Yeah, that's a spot on takedown. "This concert tonight is for the benefit of Darfur and it would not be possible without the original land owned by the Lakota tribe."

>>127517859
>>127519207
Qualifier: There were plenty of faker art students in the punk scene back then as well. It was usually like hardcore bands that tended to have the bikers and people being set on fire kinds of shows and they were snubbed by critics and other wannabe cool people.

>>127517966
That's honestly a good demarcation point. It was slowly going to shit before but that felt like a moment where the torches were being put out. I really think FSU and their associated ilk taking over the scene and propping up geriatric acts and promoting nothing but meathead beatdown shit played a big factor as well. Also wtf is up with the horseshoe crowds at almost every show populated by zoomers? Kills any kind of pit or crowd interaction.

>>127519397
>and propping up geriatric acts and
?

>>127517507 (OP)
>why is hardcore the most active rock scene
>singers all sound like complete shit
You answered your own question. Because its easy.

>>127517948
Where can i find this scene?

>>127517507 (OP)
LMAO

>>127519517
>[muffled "nigga heil hitla" among the crowd]

>>127519419
i mean they would keep booking OG punks from the 80s to headline festivals when they were bald 50 year old dads with beer guts

>>127517625
You not being allowed to call your coworkers slurs isn't leftism man.

>>127519419
The rotating list of legacy acts that dominate most festival lineups. It's cool these guys can still play and make a little scratch but they've exerted an outsized influence on the scene that didn't really exist 20 years ago for older acts. I think that has played a part in the stagnation.

REDBONE IN THE CITY
YOU GOT NO TIME FOR LOVE

>>127519535
like i mean nobody wants to hear a literal boomer yelling about fuck the government and teen suicide

>>127519455
lots of cities. here in jersey, new brunswick is the most active area since it’s got the flagship college. there’s good scenes around chicago, philly, pittsburgh, toledo, cleveland, and probably even more places

>>127517507 (OP)
It's got a great beat and you can dance to it.

>>127519575
that was mostly a thing that happened after 2008 recession. record industry largely stopped putting money in new rock acts so they just prop up old guys at festivals as it's lazier and easier than trying to develop new talent.

Hardcore punk shitters getting dabbed on. Now that's what I call punk rock.

>>127517966
You attended Have Heart shows you faggot? lmao

I dabble in Hardcore punk but let's be real its been over for 4 decades, and metalcore is dead too (at least metalcore that doesn't suck). I don't know how were gonna fix any of this because everyone is playing the same tired out genres and I don't know if there's anywhere left to go. Maybe im just a spoiled rockist for expecting music to change every ten years like it did in the 20th century, but it cant just stagnate like this. If youre gonna just play the same type of music for 40 years at least make it good.

>>127520833
Just make shit that sounds good. Ofc there aint infinite sound types and infinite arrangements.

>>127520833
What's with the shitty vocals?

>>127519220
>>127520852
Bowie had it right if you can't come up with original ideas just rip off your favorite bands and it will probably sound original somehow anyway.

Hardcore has always been the worst genre of punk. Have you ever met these "posicrew", straight edge, folded arm, pouting, malnourished, criminally unfunny little faggots? You might not know you've met one because they all listen to charli xcx and black metal now, but their basic comportment hasn't changed much because it's more a genetic deformity than it is a youth culture trait. They're like blacks too in that they act very tough but will never fight you until they have a crew in proximity. They used to really love graffiti and graphic design, but now it's more like pop and being an ally. Biggest faggots in the history of the genre and contributed nearly nothing of value. What they did do that was worth the time was almost by accident. The only painful thing is that they were so shitty that there is no real memory of them. That sucks because they should be a historical punching bag. Lucky lucky for them that they escaped it through mediocrity.

>>127520833
i think if the industry still bothered investing money in rock which they didn't since late 2000s recession there would be more of a motivator you see it's easier to be creative when the possibility of a major label contract and $$$ exists. Kurt Cobain obviously wanted to get out there and oust hair metal from the charts, and he did just that but if he were around today he would remain a basement act in Aberdeen and UMG would not sign them because they were not Sabrina Carpenter.

essentially after 2008 they said oh the rock audience should just listen to country and we're not going to invest money in it anymore

>>127517507 (OP)
delusional punktranny

>>127517748
True. At least it's about music with the metalheads

>>127519879
Major labels aren't putting on hardcore festivals. Has nothing to do with what you're talking about. The festivals I'm talking about are organized by promoters in the scene.

>>127519564
>can't get from point A to point B
why would anyone try to have an intelligent conversation with you? you're clearly incapable of it

Al Barile died the other week. It's over.

>>127521416
i think his point was more like how in the 80s you could have an A&R guy show up at a punk gig and offer you a major label contract. that of course doesn't happen anymore.

>>127521467
The other week as in several months ago?

>>127521531
That rarely happened in the hardcore scene at any point in time. The bigger labels in the 90s and 00s like Victory and Trustkill were still pretty boutique operations in comparison to the rest of the industry. We're talking about different ecosystems.

>>127521552
My zine was slow.

>>127521431
They wouldn't, dumbass. I'm not interested in having an intelligent conversation with you, I wanted someone to argue with. Have a nice evening necking yourself loser.

>>127521775
Heh.

>>127522510
see it's like 80s era rockabilly revivals. it was pablum and just felt fake and trying to recapture something that wasn't there anymore.

>>127519879
that was more like because you fags wouldn't accept new rock and just wants to listen to stuff from the 70s for the rest of forever. lead the horse to the well as they say but you can't make him drink from it.

>>127522781
That wasn't true and you know it.

>>127520896
Lack of vocalist training and just a dude that doesnt mind
>"sounding angry" like he is whining to his mom or teacher
To be a singer in one of these bands is easy.

>>127522889
Yeah, but what's with the "Hey, there are thousands of these singers that sound like exactly the same indecipherable shit? That's awesome!" mentality?

now you know why critics worshiped punk so much minimal talent was required and anyone could do it. being Dio or Dickinson took more effort.

>>127522954
I mean for all the shitty punk music that was out there a lot of it was actually pretty catchy and had decent melodies on the vocal side of things at least. The singers usually sang more than three notes in a song. You could also distinguish between bands and vocalists a good percentage of the time. It'd be a real stretch to say those things for "hardcore punk." As another anon said earlier, it really does seem to be a heavy case of middle class LARPing although I'd add that those LARPers are credibility vampiring off a section of the audience that really is just "woe is me but I'm never gonna do anything about it" crust trash.

>>127523064
>As another anon said earlier, it really does seem to be a heavy case of middle class LARPing although
he also said that those people in the 80s would never go within 50 feet of a punk show and would just be at a Toto concert or something

>>127523088
Yes, and that's generally a good point that says something about "scenes" or lack of "scenes" today too.

>>127523173
nah it's just when plastic suburbanites take over a scene it stops being legit. it's like how blues was the music of seedy black juke joints in the 50s and ends up with a fucking middle aged white dentist strumming Clapton licks on his Gibson SG.

I think of how folk also became a lame regurgitation of the late 50s-early 60s folkie movement with no understanding of its context.

>>127522878
What happened is I mean they basically said the rock audience should just listen to country instead and if you go to country gigs they're a lot more like traditional rock concerts lots of drunk dudebros around and hot girls whipping their tits out.

>>127521838
Ow the edge on this one

>>127517507 (OP)
It’s literally just fight music for retards to leave the house to.
Hardcore is absolute dog shit and I’ve never understood the appeal.
No guitar solos, no cool chords, riffs that sound composed of 3 notes over and over, barely songs that lack structure.
Just so fucking ghey.
Not music.

>>127517730
>

>>127517507 (OP)
it was always this way from the very start

>>127523909
Hey, look, it's the hardcore punk enjoyer!

>>127517625
>leftism only ideology allowed in society
>a world in which unfettered capitalism has no rival

>>127524888
Holy crap.

>>127517748
I saw flyers for must have vax and masks at a covid era hc/punk local show. Wow so punk. The scene is dead as fuck compared to even 10 years ago.

Imagine going to a concert because of political message or to being rebellious or whatever, instead of just going to listen to actually good music from artists you actually enjoy.

>>127526249
It's retarded but I try to think of it like a sociologist or something. People can't really be rebellious and the cops are going to shove a boot up your ass if you try to physically get into it with other people over politics, and also what does that even mean anyways, so people will look for substitutes.

>>127526293
I don't really understand what you are trying to say.
If I want something more "rebellious" I go to an underground rave with music/genres that interest me. But it's more like I enjoy that kind of music and rather do it under some bridge/forest than to go to a club, who cares about cops or politics. No idea where that physical aggression is coming too...

hardcore is great. i'm at a show every weekend and while there's some turds in the scene (like every other group on the planet) there's also amazing friends i've met along the ways just by going to shows. i've got to experience countless nights with touring bands and have gone to different countries to support my friends' bands play.

hardcore isn't for everuone, that's cool. it's for us, not for you i guess.

>>127520792
You wish you saw have heart live. There are no hardcore shows like this anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXedxfqzC4I

>>127526370
>You wish you saw have heart live
HAHAHAHAHAAHAH

>>127520792
>You attended
Reminder not to engage the european right now, thank you!

>>127526373
Enjoy seeing madball clone # 124123513 playing for 30 people (mostly other band members) and the horseshoe of despair. I'm sorry you missed out on such a great era of hardcore!

Hardcore is great as long as its not taken too seriously. Crews are gay as hell. Weekend Nachos mogs.

>>127526293
>>127526249
political punk in Anglo countries was always a joke/meme anyway. in Europe it actually means shit where bands especially in the east regularly generate controversy for lyrics endorsing communism/fascism/genocide.

>>127526522
no one cares about europe

>>127526522
I think he meant nobody cares about your favorite Croatian punk band that got in trouble for encouraging ethnic cleansing in their songs.

The only euro hardcore bands worth a shit are kickback, arkangel, and congress.

>>127526388
>Guy who thinks fondly about No Warning thinks I would ever debase myself by attending a hardcore show
Go buy another band shirt from Etsy

I don't get hardcore, it takes the worst aspects of punk and metal to create something that's not fully satisfying for either

>>127526835
Yeah, it stinks.

>>127526835
When you understand it’s literally just a fight soundtrack it all makes sense but yeah NOT music. No different from black metal incel shit

>>127527443
It's a shitty soundtrack. And no one is fighting. They just hit people when they're not looking. Sometimes it's one 300 pound guy sucker punching people half his size. "Justice for Darfur! Release the Kalamazoo 7!"

>>127517507 (OP)
I got back into hardcore after listening to Gel

>>127517507 (OP)
hardcore and metal are still active because both of those genres are closely tied to a subcultural identity

>>127526538
i was just saying that political songs in Amerifat or bong punk just come off as performative and nobody actually takes them seriously

>>127517730
i mean… THE HARDCORE BAND called it a fucking day in 1985 because they saw this music for exactly what it was: a dead-end creative ghetto.

i guess hardcore means a million different things now… hell, it meant a million different things 30 years when bands as disparate as Texas Is The Reason, Melt-Banana, and DOOM were called “hardcore”… but those bands put out instant classics so, whatever, I didn’t mind.

GEL? Scowl? Drain? Gulch? Soul Glo? Chat Pile?
Yeah. No.

>>127527625
back then the music came out of these guys naturally instead of feeling like performative schtick like the modern bands

>>127527637
yeah, true… it felt like a natural outgrowth and it was kind of hilarious but pure when you’d get your hands on the Orchid/Pig Destroyer split and the bands INSISTED… i mean they really had a hair up their ass about this… but anytime you called their music “emoviolence” or “screamo” they’d tear a strip off you and make sure you knew they played hardcore. just hardcore… but this shit sounded nothing like Dead Kennedys…. then again, Flipper was a huge “hardcore” band in the 80s and it didn’t get much farther from Reagan Youth than that… so it’s more an ideology and way of living in this x’d-out plastic excuse for a world. got it.

but when every band in the 2020s is more focused on playing nice with their wider peer group and land acknowledgements, i just can’t be fucking bothered…. worst of all, the actual music just sounds like stale, chewed-up metal anyway… that one VEIN album a few years ago was fine i guess but it was also like, “oh, cool, I remember Slipknot 1999 too”… can you write a fucking memorable song and fuck off about Gaza for 10 fucking seconds jesus

>>127517507 (OP)
the hardcore scene is insanely fucking cringe, like worse thank funko pops level cringe

what are the popular hardcore bands these days?

The Record [Slash, 1982]
Now I know why Belushi loved this band so much--Lee Ving sings like a punk Brother. And just as Belushi was such a great actor that he convinced me he really was a lazy, selfish glutton, Ving convinces me he really does hate and fear "queers", "sluts", etc. As a moralistic square I must protest, especially with music that at its best recalls Mars or the Dead Kennedys. C

>>127527791
>can you write a fucking memorable song and fuck off about Gaza for 10 fucking seconds jesus
Silence in the face of an ongoing genocide is complicance. You knew that, fascist.

>>127527893
Knocked Loose is pretty big right now for a hardcore band.

>>127526835
I love metal but hardcore brings a different energy.

>>127527995
Last time I went to a hardcore show was in 2016 and they were popular then too. Has there been nothing else happening in the scene since then? I do know of Pain of Truth and Sunami but those guys aren't doing anything new or interesting.

>>127527893
It's mostly just a thousand local bands that all need to aggressively tell you where they're from. Like they are Abington Hardcore, which sounds exactly the same as every other hardcore from every other town or area in the country. That's how you know it's authentic.

>>127528046
>Has there been nothing else happening in the scene since then?
It's hardcore punk, at best you get something new and original once a decade

As far as modern bands go Kruelty are great but calling them hardcore seems like a stretch to me.

>>127528062
>It's mostly just a thousand local bands that all need to aggressively tell you where they're from
lol some things never change

>>127527893
The last hardcore record I heard that was actually worth listening to is picrel, but that came out in 2018. I've heard some recent live stuff from them and they appeared to have changed their genre, like all fucking faggot hardcore bands who think they have ideas do. But I do recommend this one.

It's not a-rockin'.

>>127520928
Kurt Cobain didn't do shit. It was the industry that killed hair metal. They just like to give you a little larps so people can have a story to tell. If anything hair metal was killed by death metal and black metal. Imagine still thinking that Kurt wasn't an industry plant lmao

>>127527893
If you include post-hardcore I would say la dispute and touche amore are the only ones doing good music. Birds in row are great as well. Plain hardcore mostly sucks ass.

>>127519455
Texas has a very active and thriving scene rn

>>127530613
i only know riley!, and i do really enjoy them, but what are some others?

>>127531038
This is gonna cover a whole lot of different sounds in emo but anyway
>San Antonio
Herlovebeheadsdaisies, Phonefoot, at first at first, Rosasharin (i think)
>Denton
I Promised the World (fka Sinema), my point of you, alwaysneverstays, Skimp, Jockey, bulletsbetweentongues

>>127527625
Listen to Physique, Bondage, Alambrada, Tupa and Svaveldioxid. Then come back.

>>127517507 (OP)
hardcore has been dead for decades. it no longer means anything

>>127517507 (OP)
we're living in the golden age of hardcore

How come every band's genre is now listed as metalcore?

I went on wikipedia the other day and all the retconning sucks, "hardcore" being a punk derivative doesn't seem to exist anymore. Things that were never called metalcore are now lumped in with the shitty scene kid metalcore of the 00s as the same genre.
\
Thank you, 12 year old RYMers who changed everything on wikipedia.

>>127533768
Yeah, whatever that means.

>>127532797
listened to a song by each of them, might listen to some more by my point of you, phonefoot, and jockey. i’m kind of lame and picky with my emo, i like it super pop-punky, stuff like riley and prince daddy are about as “rough” as i get

>>127533768
list golden age bands for me

>>127538273
Sleep token, Turnstile, knocked loose etc

>>127538371
Sleep token never even pretended to be hardcore, and turnstile haven't been hardcore since nonstop feeling. Knocked loose were popular 10 years ago too. Looking pretty grim for hardcore if thats all the scene has to offer.

>>127538413
Nah man, hardcore for life bro

>>127538530
>hardcore for life bro
That's because it's a genetic deformity

>>127538544
>genetic deformity
They're a pretty good band tb.h

>>127527994
*yawn*

>>127533768
just because you like getting pissed on doesn’t make it a “golden age”

>>127517625
>leftism is the only allowed ideology in society
>leftism
Americans are the most heavily and successfully propagandized people on earth. More than North Koreans and a lot more than Iranians.

>>127517507 (OP)
For a brief period, the 00's NJ Hardcore scene was awesome. I was there for the thrashy fast negative hardcore revival bands but you had that emo/screamo mixture, the nj ska thing was dying out. You had chill promoters, cute girls and drama, wide eyed kids that loved to mosh, a great homegrown distro. I had to drive out from the country darkness with my friends but we'd link up with a friend of a friend, that's when there was message board forum. You could find out what parties and shows were happening, finally get a face to the person behind the username.

Slice of pizza, mosh, and stage dives. Glad I got to catch that wave. When those bands did their last shows, fittingly that's when I stopped going to nj hardcore shows.

https://youtu.be/p0F4OZEL1Yo?list=RDp0F4OZEL1Yo

>>127540413
thursday is doing a tour soon

>>127517507 (OP)
>Why is hardcore punk the only active rock music scene?
yeah it's not, metal has always been more active, and there are literal NAZI musical virtuosos touring and playing in secret venues as we speak.

Hardcore bands only make two good 7"s or two good albums then they fuck off or grow into another sound. It's a well known trope

These dudes, Epileptic Terror Attack wrote a song about that
Timestamp: 08:16
https://youtu.be/tmbjlG-Dra8?list=RDtmbjlG-Dra8

>>127543751
Yeah but there's always a stream of dumb 16 year olds learning what a power chord is. That's what keeps the genre fresh and vital.