Thread 127525288

Mozart edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoM_qn1_2FA

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

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Mahler

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwkJzSuDjp4

>>127525341
Mahler is probably the only composer where his early works outclass his later works

>>127525365
LOL. 5,6,9 btfo's everything else maybe except 2nd

>>127525379
3 is better than the second and 4 is the greatest symphony ever written

>>127525288 (OP)
what is that pic trying to convey?
what about those chinese cartoons? how much time do you think she spent at the beauty saloon? why are her eyes so big? and why is her facial gesture so generic (like most anime girls)

>>127525379
5th is ass tho

>>127525387
Why are anti-anime posters more autistic than the anime posters themselves

>>127525379
What's good about the 5th?

>>127525390
>>127525427
5th is his best symphony.
>What's good
...everything? Melodies, storytelling, form, orchestration, adagio, on and on.
>>127525384
>mahler
>greatest at anything
Maybe on opposite day.

>>127525444
Mahler was the greatest composer behind bruckner you retard

>>127525464
LMFAOOO

>>127525288 (OP)
why is she so smug? or maybe she's on her menstruation days?

>>127525288 (OP)
Really Maho-anon, you couldn't make a Debussy thread?

Wagner > Mahler

This is objectively and inarguably the truth.

>>127525718
even Wagner himself is ashamed of his cheap Beethoven copy symphony he wrote.

>>127525726
Real geniuses (Wagner, Beethoven) have low lows and high highs. Fake geniuses (Mahler) have only decent works, and nothing remarkable, nothing stinky. No real risks taken, no rewards.

>>127525981
Put some effort in your memes

>>127525288 (OP)
I am still not sure what this cartoon “girl” has to do with Mozart.

>>127526216
Nothing at all. Mentally ill Moshart fan being a mentally ill weeb.

Hildegard von Bingen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei88J4lERbk

>>127526047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1KRwR8jHOQ

Anyone else go through phases with classical? Where it’s all you want to listen to and think about for a week then you don’t want to think about it or listen to it at all for two weeks. Rinse and repeat.

>>127526314
Kinda. It's usually a Chopin piece that I can't get out of my head for 2-3 weeks, then another Chopin piece, and then another...
Every now and then, other composers creep into my thoughts, right now it's Bruckner 7, specifically the adagio.

>>127526314
I've been on a pretty consecutive binge for the past two years.

>>127526351
>consecutive binge
wdym

>>127526377
consoom

>>127525387
people who obssess over drawings don't really understand how people are supposed to look so they end up drawing aliens

signs that someone is profoundly retarded
>avatarfags
>doesn't listen to a particular era on principle
>thinks Bach and Mozart "aren't emotional"
>thinks something not being emotional is even relevant criticism musically
>doesn't get late Beethoven
>won't get into opera because "the singing is ugly"
>is into opera but won't pay attention to the plot (or can't even understand it because they don't know the language but refuse to check a free translation online)

question for piano players, im trying to learn to play the instrument without a teacher at slow pace and want to practice proper hand technique as early as possible to avoid problems
in the future. I know its best to have a good teacher but right now its not an option, so instead im looking for videos/articles about proper hand technique i can practice so far i found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhh8pPHLhF0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4O4BvQOxBg

is something like this sufficient for now? Or if anyone has other alternatives they used or would recommend i would be grateful, also any practical advice for learning the piano is appreciated.

>>127526498
1. Bach can be emotional, but a lot of the time he's not. It's pretty simple. Not even the most sentimental composers wrote only emotional music, if you fail to see that, I don't think you've ever felt emotion in music at all. And expressiveness is a whole another matter which brainelts like you fail or simply refuse for some reason to understand, Bach and Mozart aren't very expressive. If you had respect for romantic composers as much as you do for classical ones, and if you could read scores or play an instrument, you'd easily agree.
2. Yes, something not being emotional can be relevant to the critic if he feels the music should have conveyed more emotion.
3. Opera is the least interesting genre of art music, purely compositionally speaking. This is not even debatable.

>>127526659
>Bach can be emotional, but a lot of the time he's not
>Bach and Mozart aren't very expressive
>Opera is the least interesting genre of art music

Are you trying to collect bad opinions?

>>127526682
Not even a real Mozart quote.
And no, these are all objective facts. I don't know why would anyone even try to deny this, has to be ignorance or insecurity.

>>127526701
no, none of those were "objective facts". the only fact here is that the idea that Bach's music is ever NOT emotional is profoundly retarded

>>127526788
Yes, all of them are provable, certain objective facts. "Nuh uh"ing second time isn't going to change that. Try thinking critically and open your mind to new (and correct) ideas, you sound dumb as hell.
>Bach's music is ever NOT emotional
A lot of the time in fact.

Why would all music be emotional when emotional response isn't even the main purpose of music in most cases?

>>127525384
2nd best Mahler 4?

>>127526498
Cool story bro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbMKWToELKo
Wunderbar
Always good to start and end the day with a Bach cantata.

>>127526817
stupid people operate on vibes rather than hard logic, so instead of admitting that they fail to have a satisfying nuanced understanding of how music works, their brain kind of short-circuits and they handwave it with some made up explanation emotional storytelling

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyPNkfQImyI&list=OLAK5uy_lK9uZfP1IycAFswrfDorMDKB9R7IIzg5A&index=13

>>127526377
...that I got back into listening to classical two years ago and I haven't taken a real break from it yet since. I'm probably due for one soon though, I really want to read more. I read everyday, but I can always read more, as well as write, and that's what I hope to do. Listening to classical does take away time from my first and true love, literature.

>>127525387
Looks like a "case of the mondays" type of look.
>Yes, yes, I'm here at work/school, but don't bug me yet, I just rolled out of bed and I haven't had my morning coffee yet. Hmph.

imo, of course

and then this is the part when the anti-anime autist asks me,
>case of the mondays? what does that mean

>>127527560
greentexting with no additional comment is an admission of defeat

>>127527565
You can't manage your time properly or what? Also what are you reading

>>127527130
Circus music

feels like a Mahler 3 morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=990E38ETtWM&list=OLAK5uy_kmuUFSiavU3LaKFzHBUICqH2QpVBrEvg0&index=1

>>127527648
sounds like a bych

>>127527636
>You can't manage your time properly or what?
No, but I can always read more. As an aspiring writer, I'm aware that many of the historical greats and some of my primary influences read a gargantuan amount of books, surely more than any person living today could hope to read given the number of distractions and other content and arts to explore and things to do in life. But I can still at least try and keep up in my own way.

> Also what are you reading
I generally do 4 books at once: one novel, one short story collection, one poetry book, and one non-fiction (maybe a 5th for a philosophy book but I'm not reading one right now). I'm reading,
Pynchon's Bleeding Edge
Alice Munro's The Love of a Good Woman
John Berryman's 77 Dream Songs
and a collection of Philip Roth's assorted non-fiction, like essays/articles and letters and book reviews and analysis

>>127526804
replying to this post just so other Anons know what I am talking about, although I don't wish to engage with this Anon in particular (obviously)
my question to you is: why do you think people like him come here? why do you think someone so proudly stubborn to reiterate that his subjective opinions are actually "provable, certain objective facts" would even be attracted to something as subjective as any artistic hobby, especially music of all of them, at all? when I see someone saying something as prepostreous as this (in this case, that you can "certainly and objectively prove that a given composer's music is not emotional", which is utter nonsense), I just wonder what they even get from music at all. this is how I expect people who dislike classical music to speak

feels like a Mahler 3 morning (switching to this recording, sorry -- there's so many great 3rds and they're all different and have their own character and interpretation and traits they excel at and elements they emphasize and emotions they evoke)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv22N23QkPw

>>127527684
Oh, so mostly fiction. Never liked it myself. But I do remember you posting about your aspirations before, so good luck (again).

>>127527720
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=990E38ETtWM&ab_channel=CzechPhilharmonicOrchestra-Topic

First movement sounds a little like Star Wars

>>127527684
>John Berryman's 77 Dream Songs
On a similar note I'm reading John Barrowman's Anything Goes

>>127527757
Thank you.

>Oh, so mostly fiction. Never liked it myself.
Hopefully you come around. As the great James Joyce said,
>Literature is the most spiritual of all the arts.

>>127527765
A lot of popular modern orchestral music was greatly influenced by Mahler. Disney, Star Wars, hell I've seen people post video game OSTs here where the influence was clear and pronounced.

>>127527701
>I don't wish to engage with this Anon in particular
Why? Because you can't discuss in civilized manner and you lose your mind the moment someone disagrees with your incorrect takes?
You could've attempted to reason with me, ask what I mean by "expressiveness" and to provide examples and such. I'm not opposed to this style of discussion, you are.
>something as subjective as any artistic hobby, especially music of all of them
I don't think everything concerning music is subjective. Some things are, some things aren't.
>certainly and objectively prove that a given composer's music is not emotional
Sure, the emotional response you get from music is mostly subjective. But that's not my point at all. I think there's a clear distinction when a composer is TRYING to make us feel an emotion(happiness, melancholy, nostalgia or whatever), compared to when he's trying to provide other stimuli, intellectual or physical, a feeling. Of course any music can evoke emotion in a person but that's irrelevant to the point, do you see what I mean?

>>127526498
People don't enjoy Bach or experience profound emotions from it, they treat it like a maths problem to be solved or a perhaps a chess game or they enjoy the historical context behind it

now playing

start of Mozart: Piano Quartet No. 1 in G Minor, K. 478
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TsHKrZMK-U&list=OLAK5uy_lY9bKDSIT9BrjsLe1ZWWHbC0QVOrktZpI&index=2

start of Fauré: Piano Quartet No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTyPP8EzrBc&list=OLAK5uy_lY9bKDSIT9BrjsLe1ZWWHbC0QVOrktZpI&index=5

start of Dvořák: Piano Quintet No. 2 in A Major, Op. 81, B. 155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH_ZyxH20Nk&list=OLAK5uy_lY9bKDSIT9BrjsLe1ZWWHbC0QVOrktZpI&index=9

Shostakovich: Piano Quintet in G Minor, Op. 57: III. Scherzo. Allegretto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQdo4fzmZwY&list=OLAK5uy_lY9bKDSIT9BrjsLe1ZWWHbC0QVOrktZpI&index=12

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lY9bKDSIT9BrjsLe1ZWWHbC0QVOrktZpI

>2019 release. Recorded live at Carnegie Hall, The New York Concert features Evgeny Kissin in a rare performance as a chamber musician, performing with the nine-time Grammy-winning Emerson String Quartet. The New York Times raved about the concert, calling Kissin a "dynamo" with "an unfailingly fine, even touch" and the Emersons "as melting individually, singing limpid, sinuous melodies, as they were powerful in their unified outbursts."

I usually avoid the Emerson SQ, however I couldn't resist this one because you don't usually see live concert recordings from chamber ensembles, and I particularly like the program here. Wish there were more releases like this.

>>127528088
note: there are plenty of live recordings by chamber ensembles, but I mean specifically with a mixed concert program like this, not just the usual complete set from one composer that was recorded live.

>>127527052
Best Bach Cantata?

>>127528143
NTA, but the best single cantata is, undoubtedly and unsurprisingly, BWV 140

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxk-vs6QvKY

which is so good it ranks among the greatest choral works of all-time, period

>>127528143
BWV 4,12 are my favourites

>On the spring day in 1945 that Nazi Germany’s official radio network broke the news of Adolf Hitler’s death, the announcement was followed by the playing of a 1942 recording by Wilhelm Furtwängler and the Berlin Philharmonic. The work chosen was the elegiac slow movement of Anton Bruckner’s Seventh Symphony. This was the last of countless times that classical music, most of it written by Bruckner and Richard Wagner, Hitler’s two favorite composers, was played on Nazi ceremonial occasions, or otherwise enlisted in the service of the Third Reich.
What a graceful way to end the German legacy, and mourn the death of Europe.

>>127527907
>You could've attempted to reason with me
yes you would've loved that, wouldn't you? unfortunately for you I can pick up when someone is severely autistic so as to not waste my time with them (usually it's when they overuse the word "objectively").
not reading the rest of your post, by the way. I've done this song and dance one too many times.

>>127528143
34

Thoughts on Tchaikovsky's Manfred symphony?

>>127529581
Excellent. Third movement contains of the more beautiful melodies/themes in a symphony ever, and fourth movement is fun because Tchaikovsky goes wild with chaotic imaginative abandon.

>>127529606
Crazy how he just churned out four all-time symphonies like it was nothing. Listening to good pieces I'm just in awe of how incredible you have to be to make an continuous hour of music that consistently good.

>>127529635
Classical music is kinda the opposite of rock and pop music in this regard. In Rock, Pop, and HipHop, music is almost entirely intuitive, built upon ephemeral sparks of inspiration and nebulous creativity. This is why many artists in those fields hit a peak (if they don't outright start with their best stuff) and then noticeably and irrevocably decline. In classical, the talent and compositional skills are much more foundational. This is why composers almost always get better as they age, and once they've both found their voice and the act of composing clicks in their brain (aka becoming an expert), they never stop writing good stuff, and will often have sustained output of masterpieces. So, yes, those four high quality Tchaikovsky symphonies are praiseworthy, but hardly surprising. Once he figured it out, once the puzzle started to click, once he started to see the proverbial matrix, all that was left was time and effort.

Jaws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9QTSyLwd4w&list=RDA9QTSyLwd4w&start_radio=1&ab_channel=WEERCK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnA5DT3ilQw&ab_channel=LiquidVision

>want to listen to a complete Schubert string quartet set
>the tracks are only labeled with the movement names and not the piece name, so can't tell which quartet is which
wait, Schubert's 12th String Quartet, which is the watershed piece demarcating between his earlier string quartets written in his teenage years versus his mature masterpieces, is only one movement! so I can just look at the one movement piece to determine where everything is, ezpz :)
>"Another bonus is that the late works are interspersed with the earlier, throughout the set."
oh come the fuck on

>>127527701
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PNDxUfuEkik
for example deadmau5 didn't know that his biggest hit would be a hit, a guy had to beg him for months to release it. he might not even had any particular emotion in mind when he made it, just did some chicken scratch doodles and he was unable to predict that it would resonate with the audience. then how can someone like you claim that his music is necessarily emotional? you don't have a first hand account from someone like bach or mozart saying this or that with what emotions they intended to convey with their music, it's rather things like that mozart got challenged to a battle and he flexed on his opp by putting the sheet music upside down and improvising off of that or someshit, it's more technical than emotional.

Classical music that sounds like Prog Rock?

>>127530212
That's what symphonies and other similar long orchestral pieces basically are, right?

>>127530212
>>>/mu/

>>127530245
This is /mu/ but thanks for being so helpful

>>127530262
not sure what this has to do with /classical/ maybe try >>>/mu/?

>>127530314
This is mu my guy

>>127530378
not sure what this has to do with /classical/ maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?

>>127530432
Muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Prokofiev piano concerto no.2 vs no.3
Which do you prefer? Sometimes I really think they're greatest ever written in the entire genre.

Vivaldi was hundreds of years ahead of his time. Why was there no one else like him?

>>127530212
King Crimson was heavily influenced by Bartok, check out his String Quartets, Concerto for Orchestra, Miraculous Mandarin, also check out Holst's The Planets, some of Stravinsky's works like Les Noces definitely influenced Zeuhl,

best Brahms Piano Concerto 2 recording?

Looking to get into Mahler, anyone here have experience with any of these books?

>>127531050
Freire Chaily Gewandhaus
Zimerman Bernstein Vienna

>>127531116
would burn the last book after seeing the authors name

>>127531116
Hurwitz's Beethoven book is alright. Just listen first, and read later.

>>127526817
The modern pop/rock paradigm and all its subhuman offspring concepts (le 3 chords and le truth for example) have brainwashed sheep into believing that dopamine responses to upbeat melodies constitutes the peak of music and human emotion. Simple as.

>>127531151
I know there's lots of people who prefer making instricate plans to listening to the damn music, but in Mahler's case I did try the 5th and at least 2 of the movements (the Scherzo and the Rondo) I found difficult to digest, so I think a good guide would be helpful

best Sibelius Violin Concerto?

>>127530212
>>127530464
not sure what this has to do with /classical/ maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?

>>127531172
I'd listen to other symphonies. 6th maybe.
And wouldn't worry about it too much. But yes reading is a good idea. It could help you understand them better. I'd like to read them too someday too.

>>127531172
I'd listen to other symphonies. 6th maybe.
And wouldn't worry about it too much. But yes reading is a good idea. It could help you understand them better. I'd like to read them too someday.

>>127527130
Nice

>>127527645
PTSD from your time in the circus, clown?

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhEv2KuIh0o

>>127531728
fur elise isn't even supposed to be good, it's a dumbed down training exercise for the student that he was trying to bang

>>127531116
>The weebification of Mahler

>>127526667
This is the work of the sisterposter

>>127531778
Historically sound version:
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=FN1Piq_o8rc

Bach to Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=MQrEPj93Rks

>>127531172
Just listen more times. I didn't understand the inner movements of the 9th for the longest time, now I enjoy them, and I don't have any classical training or much knowledge of music theory. I find in my limited experience that music theory can help explain why something works, but it won't help you to actually enjoy the music any more. I imagine if you're trying to compose music then reading analysis would be very helpful.

>>127526701
>>127526817
Music must always have some effect on the emotions. If it does not, then it is no longer music. I am not saying that is always the chief aim, but it is a fundamental quality of art. Harmony exists because its significance is intelligible to emotions, and the further back you go into musical history the more beauty or prettiness were seen as necessary prerequisites for any piece of music, and it is utterly impossible for something to be beautiful or pretty without it affecting the emotions. I would also like to know how an opera melody can be inexpressive. And that goes to the heart of the problem, which is that you're probably being overly critical of people who listen for an emotional response because you lack the emotional sensitivity to do that most of the time, whether because of autism or some sort of psychological repression. Opera is one of the greatest forms a composer could write for, but because it simply places too much value on melody and expressiveness you have little appreciation for it, despite the obvious fact that Mozart considered opera to contain some of his greatest achievements.

>>127530709
I know 2 is generally the answer but for me I prefer the 3rd. It's close though.

>>127531177
Lots of good ones, but maybe Vanska/Kavakos, of which there's a recording of both the original and revised version, both on the same album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4X85UjwkfQ

then of course there's Karajan/Ferras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llLYaa4WAOc

or maybe Barenboim/Batiashvili if you want something newer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGZh_VivKa4&list=OLAK5uy_mxubUKNhiL0fMMrWh42wxPnGwboNoqp7w&index=4

I'll admit it's a work I need to listen to more of though, and I've only heard a handful of recordings. In fact I'm gonna get on that.

>>127531177
try Mullova/Ozawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SXnIRur8ik

>>127531050
try Arrau/Haitink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q_VJqjIYFo

>Today I will remind them

BAB
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>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
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>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it
>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart
>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident
>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE
>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold

>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court
>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School
>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms
>No Perotin or Medieval Music

>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul

>>127532460
it's not a direct mapping like >>127501210 suggested.
>do you need a dictionary of scales and their symbolic meanings? because that's what it sounds like you're asking for.
it's far more subjective and vague than that. a composer can't just make something up like "in the build up i want it to be happy and carefree, then disaster strikes, then the protagonist slowly comes to term with his new shitty situation" and turn that into a musical masterpiece, it's more like you make up some notes that happen to sound good and add some filler content to turn it into a full song

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

>braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
>braaaaaaaaaap
>braaaaaap

>Up next is mozFart stinky dinky symphony no. 39 in E flatulence followed by Braaaaaap Concerto in P(ee) minor

Do Mozart fags really?

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Dvorak, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Webern, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Clementi, and Sibelius

That is all

>>127532808
I fail to see how this bars a composition from ever being conceived on the large scale, such as with a program, or why a composition can't sometimes have a specific and more objective emotional significance. You can really say that same thing about all art, since no painting is ever going to emotionally move any two people in exactly the same way, but it's not like their response is 'just' subjective either. Some composers create music as you describe, others don't. There's no 'filler content' in a mature Beethoven symphony for example imo.

>When they say they like Italian opera, German Romanticism, Austrian Classicism, or have read a Schenkerian Analysis

Your up next Marco, Hans and Leopold!

>>127527765
>30 minute movement
Disgusting, if you can't express yourself in a single movement within 2-10 minutes, you are a narcissistic imbecile

Reminder Bach and after, before and not including Ives.

>>127531177
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JouOG0Eeofg

>>127532886
>Reminder Bach and before, Ives and After
You took the words right out of my mouth

>>127531050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA0gF3Pctw0

4th best Mahler 5th?

2nd best Mahler 1st?

7th best Mahler 2?

My (updated) list of essential opera films. Movie adaptations:

Hamburg State Opera Der Freischutz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8GFvzxLq4Y
Hamburg State Opera Wozzeck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFFPyU41_0
Hamburg State Opera Die Meistersinger non Nurnberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlf-TXyrycM
Hamburg State Opera Fidelio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KOBf7rdo8o
Hamburg State Opera Zar und Zimmerman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO0F-An2MZw
Bergman's Magic Flute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufQxByt7dNM
Syberberg's Parsifal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=six6ZSN1REw
Powell and Pressburger's The Tales of Hoffmann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN82DTbamkA
Powell's Bluebeard's Castle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx_4xDA2w0A
Der fliegende Hollander 1975 conducted by Sawallisch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nipz8W6GJm4
Salome 1974 conducted by Karl Bohm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNUZsl3XBEY
Elektra 1981 conducted by Bohm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auqm-lOn6k4
Falstaff 1979 conducted by Solti
La Traviata 1982 directed by Zeffirelli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krzj73WQ6eI
Boris Godunov 1989 directed by Andrzej Żuławski
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAln-H275B4

Filmed stage performances of opera:

Don Giovanni 1955 conducted by Furtwangler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yny2fEDao_U
Der Rosenkavalier 1961 conducted by Karajan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8X64WJq6qc
Bayreuth Meistersinger 1963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsHtqVTJ_6k
Tosca 1964 with Maria Callas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnFlg1z1hPc
Marriage of Figaro 1976 conducted by Karl Bohm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEf0Ogllmmg
Bayreuth Tannhauser 1978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf8-S_1rNFI
Bayreuth Jahrhundertring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jO6d4z8r7w

>>127533083
Forgot to add the Hamburg State Opera Magic Flute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcTUt6L4tGo

how is this collection?

>>127533104
Jarvi is great, i love how he conducts the Russians, haven't heard his Sibelius

>>127533119
nice kot

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8cjXUL5HfE&list=OLAK5uy_lDPM-Q0BSCqIQVR6AW1xnxL1qoIqCzeGU&index=6

>i must play everything stacatto

>>127532965
>>127532897
>>127532886
>>127532778


Nick Fuentes approved classical music?

>>127533420
Nick Fuentes listens to fucking kanye and 80s pop. 0 taste

>>127533428
That’s why he will never make it as the next Hitler.

>>127533503
Hitler listened to Bruckner. What would the nu-Hitler listen to? Still Bruckner?

>>127533104
That's the tone poem set I started with. It's solid. You can always trust Neeme Jarvi to be, at minimum, decent.

>>127533309
Not my kot, bear with me and nevermind the pun, it's a jazz kot from one of the jazz threads.

Can someone tell me what compositions are being played here?

https://youtu.be/8giEsntxcKY?t=630

In the mood for Mahler

>>127534324
t. incel

https://youtu.be/oxqyUW2txQw?si=iSXm2ytMbrUn1LVy&t=492

This is where it happens. This is where Wagner demonstrates his greatness. This is where man has completed himself. This is it. The most vivid and visceral conception of beauty through sound. I am not a woman, but I understand now... how it feels to be pregnant. Wagner has shown me.

I don't want to live in a world without Wagner.

What's some El sexo classical? Like sensuous music that you may or may not fuck to but sets the mood?

>Debussy
>Villa-Lobos
>Rachmaninoff
>Vivaldi
>Marais
>Beethoven, the non incel sonatas
>Liszt
>Early Scriabin
>Bortkiewicz
>Tallis

Maybe Ravel?

>>127534215
Ugh, I'm so bad at these questions. I know for a fact I've heard the main one that starts around 11:05 many, many times, that it's a piece I listen to often, but I can't remember it off the top of my head, sorry. Considering it's so familiar to me, smart money is it's Brahms or Beethoven. Sorry, hopefully someone else here can help you and thoroughly embarrass me and make me feel like an idiot for not recognizing what's gonna be an obvious answer.

I swear they could play the Hammerklavier in a movie and my brain wouldn't be able to place it beyond, "huh, don't I know that one?"

>>127534459
I am an incel.

>>127534485
Doesn't sound more like Liszt than Brahms or Beethoven?

>>127534408
t. incel

>>127534636
>t. incel

>>127534509
Yeah I think you're right. It's one of the pieces from Harmonies poétiques et religieuses or the first book of Annees de pelerinage

this one maybe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqIGvFafXtU&list=OLAK5uy_nscJh6O_Y_ZSovh_2XQkhaJ7dtzUNN4l8&index=2

Why is Beethoven's String Quartet Op. 131 considered the greatest achievement in music? I listened to this piece all night yesterday and all I got was headaches and repulsion. I could not romanticize it in any shape or form, the sound was too rigid and unmalleable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE_crvhG3Co&list=RDJE_crvhG3Co&start_radio=1

Take this recording as a reference and show me why you love it so much, preferably with timestamps for the parts where you feel the most infatuated.

>>127535323
Love Bernstein's string orchestra rendition but that's not performing it with a string quartet.

Try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoIi5xb2k1c

>preferably with timestamps for the parts where you feel the most infatuated.
The entire second movement is one of the most beautiful and heartwarming in all of music.

>>127534672
>t. incel

>>127535629
>>t. incel

>>127535481
>that's not performing it with a string quartet
Who cares? Klemperer's Grosse Fuge with the orchestra is great.
https://youtu.be/4x_qnVllO1o?si=M6xnV49ah8e_bihR

>>127535656
That's my point -- arrangements are only worth talking about if you like them. If you wanna talk about the virtues of the work itself, you should at least do it from the perspective of the original way of performance if you haven't listened to it.

>>127535711
Okay but with a string quartet the arrangement is more an issue of timbre than anything else.

>>127535724
All I'm saying is if they wanna dislike the Op. 131, that's fine, but they should listen to it in string quartet form first.

>>127535323
but muh emotions
you're just an autistic psychopath bro

>>127535481
it doesn't even have 2k views, if it were really good it would get millions of views

>>127535920
:p

>>127535929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx2KlpV_ZOk
this sounds more like music from what i've heard so far
the alban berg quartett is egregiously bad taste like the worksmanship is just as bad as any brash digital pop production

>>127535984
I personally don't ever listen to those live recorded video performances, so I never post them. If you like them, then hey, all the power to ya.

I hate how Mahler just reuses the same shtick endlessly. Like, the Adagietto of the 5th is basically the same as the Adagio in the 9th. Just the same droning Romanticism. I want to yell out 'get some new ideas already'.

>>127536287
What would you prefer?

>>127536287
>INTERVIEWER
>Clarence Brown of Princeton has pointed out striking similarities in your work. He refers to you as “extremely repetitious” and that in wildly different ways you are in essence saying the same thing. He speaks of fate being the “muse of Nabokov.” Are you consciously aware of “repeating yourself,” or to put it another way, that you strive for a conscious unity to your shelf of books?

>NABOKOV
>I do not think I have seen Clarence Brown’s essay, but he may have something there. Derivative writers seem versatile because they imitate many others, past and present. Artistic originality has only its own self to copy.

>>127536300
True originality like what Beethoven evinced with each new symphony. If Mahler was just repeating himself in a cosy old fashioned classical form it would be one thing, but with the Romantic claim towards embodying an entire world and always creating something totally unique being at the basis of every new symphony, and then he's really just repeating himself, it is fraudulent.

>>127536287
Next you'll be telling us Bruckner's Adagios are all the same endless schtick and he should have gotten some new ideas.

That said, I just don't really care. Artists reusing ideas of kind, of macro-themes, is fine to me, so long as they aren't reusing micro-details, because the former to me is just their voice, whereas the latter is technique, and that's where hackery comes in. And if his voice wasn't worn out after the first use, then why not do something similar again?

Anyway, you either like it or you don't, I suppose, and all critiques of that kind are just post hoc justifications.

>>127536407
>you either like it or you don't, I suppose, and all critiques of that kind are just post hoc justifications
low iq opinion, mmmm, yummy taste, me likey!

>>127536352
The Adagio in the 9th is a little samey but it serves as the perfection of his "style". I find the other three movements more original.

Tchaikovsky
https://youtu.be/dB-S9Uqd_Hg?si=qOBWe4sIDDDVXkKD

>>127536407
Next you'll be telling us Twenty One Pilots are all the same endless schtick and they should have gotten some new ideas.

That said, I just don't really care. Artists reusing ideas of kind, of macro-themes, is fine to me, so long as they aren't reusing micro-details, because the former to me is just their voice, whereas the latter is technique, and that's where hackery comes in. And if their voice wasn't worn out after the first use, then why not do something similar again?

Anyway, you either like it or you don't, I suppose, and all critiques of that kind are just post hoc justifications.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY7vRHiSJSM
notice how he doesn't say EMOTIONAL storytelling

Its a CPE Bach day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLEY3I4DE_I

>>127533360
You may not like it but that is Bach played to (near)clockwork perfection

>>127532557
Isn't 3rd more popular?
I feel like the 1st movement of 2nd is the best thing he ever composed, themes are extremely memorable, and development feels very organic, and that cadenza climax at the end is GOD-tier, developed from that magical 1st theme, and piano sounds like cathedral bells when orchestra comes in. Spine chilling.
Whereas 3rd is more consistent, all movements are extremely good and memorable. In fact the last movement might be my favorite, and it contains one of my favorite melodies ever composed:
https://youtu.be/UBSot1qNLW4?feature=shared&t=416
The scherzo of 2nd feels underwhelming desu, especially after that gargantuan climax of the first movement. So overall, I prefer 3rd, even though I wish there were more terrifying concertos, like the 2nd.

>>127525288 (OP)
ockeghem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cIrSw7XLFc

>>127533360
https://youtu.be/T8cjXUL5HfE?t=59

Here is a fine example of something I'd said before, this sounds like a mistake but I would imagine it isn't(since you could just do another take). It could be a little ornament but it breaks up the rhythmic-if Glen were doing a little dance this sounds like he tripped on a loose cobblestone but quickly caught himself. It could have been written by Bach but I just don't get it

now playing

start of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 11 in G Minor, Op. 103 "The Year 1905"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVZW2xOZt3k&list=OLAK5uy_mG7oCN6WiN8vFq5leHXlaxO8pEhB0HYIk&index=42

start of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 12 in D Minor, Op. 112 "The Year 1917"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJVQ2sEOLIA&list=OLAK5uy_mG7oCN6WiN8vFq5leHXlaxO8pEhB0HYIk&index=45

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mG7oCN6WiN8vFq5leHXlaxO8pEhB0HYIk

I used to really dislike these symphonies, thinking they were ambient film score dross, but I've come around.

Barenboim's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4UeBoKNhQ4&list=OLAK5uy_lrgzLR_qdPQOX2KiJTXb3slMgz2X_eP98&index=39

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L8Su-o7Cg4

goddamn Karajan's EMI Bruckner 4 is fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byWxgrPA_Hw

I might even be ready to say it's decisively better than his later DG recording

>>127539415
if you started listening to his music last night and have never read anything about it at all then maybe I can forgive this opinion

>>127540871
It wasn't an opinion that was fact-I told you might not like it

Lol people on the overboard getting filtered by 12 tone serialism again

>>127532419

>Bruckner
>Schoenberg
>Bach
>Mozart
/classical/core

now playing

start of Liszt: A Faust Symphony, S. 108
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PlIfa1gzJY&list=OLAK5uy_miML6rO-xpuZ17rUJqkrxnveqJKSLdp50&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_miML6rO-xpuZ17rUJqkrxnveqJKSLdp50

Schoenberg

https://youtu.be/de5PaxlvyJc

>>127541251
Hell nah. That would be
>Chopin
>Beethoven
>Schumann
>Wagner

>Literally tried to free the entire world from slavery
>Considered the greatest criminal
They will all pay for what they did to Wagner.

Wagner.

>>127541251
fuck yes, 4/4
>>127541844
eh 2.5/4

>>127541239
it sounds really good when the orchestra plays 12 tone row music like it's the biggest firetruck romantislop piece in existence. first time hearing Wozzeck was a revelation to me.

>>127542590
So true sister

>>127541047
k

the REAL /classical/core
>Bruckner
>Chopin
>Bach
>Brahms
>Wagner
>Beethoven
>Sibelius
>Mozart
>Mahler
>Debussy
>Schumann
>Shostakovich

Can't stop listening to Prokofiev's 2nd concerto first movement(just the 1st mov), tried like 5 different recordings today, listening to this one now, which seems to be highly praised, and judging by exposition so far, absolutely on point (Krainev/Kitaenko):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPAPsvM66OE
Wang's was by far the most sterile and cadenza so messy, no coordination with orchestra at all, wtf was that?! It was live I'll give her that.

Post yer favorites. No stinkers.

>Several years younger than most of his class, Prokofiev was viewed as eccentric and arrogant and annoyed a number of his classmates by keeping statistics on their errors.
Prokofiev would be the biggest shitposter jerk if he had access to 4chan kek

It's that time of the year again...

>>127542928
>Sibelius
yeah, no

>>127543549
oh come on, you faggots hate everything

In a bit of a bad mood, what composers cheer you guys up when you're down?

>>127543659
ok he does have videos with millions of views. i thought he was some niche schizo tard.

Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y27Alrkv0Y&list=OLAK5uy_lhobtEb7v7nIRJ-FwJeAqXkpqK54f1c_o

>>127541251
Awful
>>127541844
Even worse

>>127540452
>>127539541

Just doesn’t sound like Bach

>>127542619
based

>>127544492
Milo Yiannopoulos approved classical music?

>>127541251
if people here all thought like this we would be on the best general on the site

>>127540650
nice

>>127544200
Depends on the mood. Sometimes I like to lean into it, sometimes I want to wipe it clean completely. Anyway, chamber music usually does the trick. Beethoven's string quartets, Mendelssohn's, Schubert's late, Brahms', Schumann's, Elgar's, Franck's, Faure's. etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR9IRBy1tVM

de Machaut, Ockeghem, de Morales, de Lassos, Josquin, Palestrina, Dufay, Monteverdi, Telemann, Buxtehude, Couperin, Byrd, Gibbons, Bull, Zelenka, Handel, Bach, CPE Bach, Haydn, Paisiello, Martin-Kraus, Mozart, Beethoven, Rossini, von Weber, Strauss, Schubert, Brahms, Schumann, Wagner, Mendelssohn, Mahler, Bruckner, Dvorak, Berlioz, Debussy, Reger, Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, Hindeminth, Pfitzner, Zemlinsky, Messiaen, Poulenc, Varese, Milhaud, Alkan, Busoni, Szymanowski, Scriabin, Sorabji, Ornstein, and Ives

>>127544200
Handel choruses, Wagner's Meistersinger.

>>127544805
Almost had it, you almost had it

>>127542928
Only good ones on that list are Debussy, Beethoven, Wagner, and Bach
>>127541251
trash
>>127541844
even worse

>>127544543
All the faggot and jewish composers

>>127536287
>Like, the Adagietto of the 5th is basically the same as the Adagio in the 9th
how can your ears be this shit

>>127544200
A day spent wallowing in bitterness, self-pity and hatred is a day wasted. Stop thinking about the emotionally and intellectually stunted broads of Stein's Gate and embrace the teachings of Wagner and Schopenhauer.

>>127547949
Wagner would have loved Steins;Gate

>>127541844
This is actually correct, contrarians are seething
>>127541251
And this is pure pseud
It is known

>>127548675
this general is for adults
I recommend you leave

>>127547503
this is the same general that praises Chopin as somehow being in the top 5 of all composers, the average poster is practically deaf

>>127549187
>Here are the top 10 most frequently listed classical composers, generally considered among the most significant and famous:
Ludwig van Beethoven
Johann Sebastian Bach
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
Frédéric Chopin
Johannes Brahms
Antonio Vivaldi
Franz Schubert
Joseph Haydn
Claude Debussy

>Here is a compilation of composers who frequently appear on "top" or "most famous" lists:
Johann Sebastian Bach
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Ludwig van Beethoven
Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
Frédéric Chopin
Antonio Vivaldi
Johannes Brahms
Joseph Haydn
Franz Schubert
Sergei Rachmaninoff
Claude Debussy
George Frideric Handel

>>127548159
Wagner would be the type to cry at the true ending.

>>127549299
I don't consider a happy ending romantic. Romance is tragedy.

>>127549339
He'd cry at the kurisu ending then?

>>127549342
There is no "perfect" ending. That is my main problem with the show. I think Wagner would have criticized the writing of the show.

>>127549372
*VN
Either way 0's ending adds more tragedy due to the fact that Maho got cosmically cucked by the woman she was trying to surpass.

Not liking Bruckner should bar you from ever browsing this general

Been having long arguments with a friend over the objective quality of absolute music. He believes in the Socratic idea of art being a rhetorical argument about reality and because of this does not see absolute music as something that can be objectively quantified as being good or bad the same way a program music can. I try to argue more on the emotional side, but little absolute music makes an argument on the basis of emotion so it does not hold up to his model, and I am not the one to argue against Socrates' wisdom so I don't know what would work here. What do you guys think?

>>127549176
That would imply being an adult means being wrong all the time

>>127549582
form and structure are the objective qualities of absolute music. now go away.

>>127549777
meant for >>127549533

>>127549777
Non sequitur babble

>>127549777
>>127549785
But what defines good and bad form on an objective level? You can appeal to tradition but that isn't particularly objective

>>127549787
>But what defines good and bad form on an objective level

read Schoenberg.

>>127549804
I am interested to, what book by him is most relevant to this conversation, might I ask?

>>127549812
Fundamentals of Musical Composition

>>127549804
NTA but give me the qrd

>>127549834
read his textbook. I will not waste my time spoon feeding you.

>>127549848
fallacy committed award, bro

>>127549787
>>127549777
Music theory has been trying to explain that since ancient civilizations. And it did to a significant degree. Form and structure aren't the only objective qualities of absolute music. Harmony, melody, rhythm, timbre are all objective to a degree, just like form. Some are more easily explained than others. Melody is perhaps both easiest and hardest to explain theoretically, and remains as a hallmark of true geniuses.
Traditions are derived from rules of nature, including and especially (in this case) our fairly objective auditory senses. Dismissing it as random is ignorant.

>>127549904
Well, explain what makes a melody objectively good or bad in that case, please? And as said, what makes good form?

>>127549904
>Harmony, melody, rhythm, timbre

form/structure is the bedrock upon which those concepts are built.

read Schoenberg.

>>127549914
In a way, what makes a great melody is hardest to explain, as I pointed out. But understanding (and not just reading about it) voice leading will help you understand their nature much better. It can hardly be put into words. Just imagine trying to explain what makes Tolkien great, but only by using music as means of communication. It would be impossible.
So if you'd like to undestand for yourself, try reading some music theory, then analyze scores and play on an instrument yourself.
>>127549924
>form/structure is the bedrock upon which those concepts are built.
You can reasonably argue the opposite: melody and rhythm is the bedrock upon which form/structure are built.

>>127549984
>You can reasonably argue the opposite: melody and rhythm is the bedrock upon which form/structure are built.

objectively wrong. a melody is a shape but not all shapes are melodies.

>>127549998
>a melody is a shape but not all shapes are melodies.
True. Circle is not a melody, but it has nothing to do with music.
All "shapes" that are uniquely musical must contain harmony and/or melody, either of which can be deduced to the other. But more importantly, we were discussing the quality of those shapes, so your argument is irrelevant.

>>127550038
why did your carer give you internet access today?

>>127550056
Which part of my post do you disagree with the most?
That rhythm or form alone can't constitute music, or that melody is harmony unfurled and harmony is furled melody?

>>127550107
Mindraped by A. Scriabin.

>>127549848
if you can't give a quick summary then you don't understand it, you're just deferring to him because of his status which is no better than letting an AI think for you

>>127544576
I've listened to this performance nearly every day for a month. It helps me get through this horrific American moment.

>>127549533
a rhetorical argument about reality and because of this does not see absolute music as something that can be objectively quantified as being good or bad

What do you mean?

>>127550206
the Dover String Quartet is great

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 20 in G Major, Op. 49 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2D60kRJav8&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=73

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 21 in C Major, Op. 53, "Waldstein"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDgV8nWTA2E&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=75

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 22 in F Major, Op. 54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9_cl0K-nVU&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=78

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 23 in F Minor, Op. 57, "Appassionata"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xufQHYuP-vQ&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=79

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA

>Marking Beethoven's 250th birthday in a suitably heroic fashion, Fazil Say has recorded all 32 of the composer's piano sonatas. He sees the sonatas as "a sacred text for musicians" and Beethoven as "A revolutionary composer starting to create music 50 to 100 years ahead of it's time," adding that: "When we interpret a composer's work, we need to remain faithful to it. In other words, we need to feel like a composer. Compositions should be interpreted with the same freshness as a completely new piece of music that has just been created."

warning: steady, mild humming by the pianist throughout the performances

>>127551014
>Fazil Say Beethoven
The record is just some Turkish guy saying “Beethoven” once with the rest being dead silence

>>127551056
xd

debating which recording of Liszt's Annees de pelerinage I wanna listen to today and came across this peculiar and unique one,
>Schirmer's recording is divided across three CDs, one for each year, and includes eight madrigals by Gesualdo and Marenzio interspersed just before the pieces to which they pertain, much as the chorus in a Greek play comments on the action. Schirmer has been doing these "concept albums" for a while now, presenting pieces of music that are related to each other, and yet contrast.

??
Very strange. I'll admit, part of me finds this kind of conceptual program highly intriguing, if not outright a great idea, and of course the other part of me feels the natural backlash of "why would you mess with the natural program of the piano cycle as composed!?"

What do you guys think? Artistically stupid and detrimental or smart and aesthetically beneficial?

As a demonstration, here's the first example on the release: you're listening along and get to the wonderful and tuneful third piece of the first book of Annees,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SVJlLMF9mA&list=OLAK5uy_k96Lm38cIauvZaHhOvRX1cZkq6cWcqOxo&index=3
but instead of being followed-up by the usual fourth piece you've come to expect from many pleasurable listens with Liszt's composition in the past, you instead get,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kcjBiSCTc&list=OLAK5uy_k96Lm38cIauvZaHhOvRX1cZkq6cWcqOxo&index=4

Interesting no doubt. Again, conceptually I like the idea, and of course trying something new that doesn't disturb the actual pieces themselves is always welcomed to at least attempt, but I feel like my ears and brain, when actually listening to the recording, might feel differently, haha.

>>127551056
lmao
>>127551014
not a fan of his tendency to hum but he does have my favorite Mozart piano sonata 12

now playing

start of Prokofiev: Sinfonia concertante in E Minor, Op. 125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN8qBL3uDjk&list=OLAK5uy_ldgThQVcXtTwBRCfsVkqr8upqYaRk_55w&index=2

start of Myaskovsky: Cello Concerto in C Minor, Op. 66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EqLb3Yl1Fk&list=OLAK5uy_ldgThQVcXtTwBRCfsVkqr8upqYaRk_55w&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ldgThQVcXtTwBRCfsVkqr8upqYaRk_55w

I'm always on the lookout for good recordings of Prokofiev's colorful and unique Symphony-Concerto, Op. 125, and I love Truls Mork and Paavo Jarvi is always an entertaining conductor, so had to give this a listen when I came across it. Surprising it's not a more popular recording given the names. Apparently it was the next work Bernstein was going to record before his death, sad.

>>127551726
Yeah, his Mozart is nice.

>>127543025
What do you think of Gutierraz/Jarvi and Kun-Woo/Wit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqwC42TZUXQ

ooo Toradze/Gergiev too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuHZomyZ-hA

why yes i do skip over the Grosse Fuge when listening to sets of Beethoven's String Quartets

>>127552454
>Gutierraz/Jarvi
top tier
>Kun-Woo/Wit
fine

>>127552486
>>Kun-Woo/Wit
>fine
I feel that. Generally, when I see Wit's name on a choral work, I listen -- when I see it on non-choral, I pass.

Prophecies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjyqg97lj3w&list=RDZjyqg97lj3w&start_radio=1

>>127552454
I'll give these two a go. Toradze/Gergiev was quite good though. But he does get criticized, I'm not sure yet why
>>127552470
>skipping over the best part
lel

>>127551159
I'm far from opposed to the idea I'd love to see more creative ideas such as this-there's 1001 performances that are just respectful interpretations of the piece. Having said that I don't really care for madrigals