Thread 127532582

Maybe I'm being really dumb, but I can't dissociate the millenial-zoomer phenomena of treating mental-illness, lack of masculinity and weakness as a quirky / cool trait from the influence of 90s bands (mainly Nirvana & Radiohead)

(I like Nirvana btw)

Nirvana doesn't deserve 10 threads per hour

>>127532582 (OP)
>Maybe I'm being really dumb
No maybe about it

>>127532582 (OP)
no. he is a cool guy who happened to be depressed. people don't like him or think he's cool cause he struggled with his mental health. people think he's cool cause he made incredible rock music. rock music with way more balls than most bands that came after

>>127532582 (OP)
No. This is a retarded thought.

>>127532582 (OP)
pavement contribute too with its retarded too cool for school shit

"betahood" typically encompasses being more in touch with your emotions and more receptive to the personal nature of art, which are things that any truly important popular artist of the 21st century has accentuated as a part of their work since The Beatles. so yes, "betahood" and "depression" (any introspective feeling) have been "cool" in pop music for a long time before you were born, and if you rally against these things you are largely taking the side of people that hate good art in the 21st century

>>127532673
>good art in the 21st century
That's funny

>>127532685
yeah i should've said 20th century too. In My Room and all that

>>127532617
I agree, never said otherwise. But y'know, most people tend to be superficial and performative about liking things, and as gigantic bands like Nirvana or Radiohead, they play a role on the imaginary of a youth, basically kinda influencing what I call the ''sweater-teen''

>>127532582 (OP)
>Maybe I'm being really dumb
Don't even maybe it. You are retarded.

You are forcing contextual connections to shit that have nothing to do with each other like a homosexual youtube "video-essayist" by applying contemporary bullshit to history and trying to make it make sense. Keep having a revisionist vision of the world based on modern trends and how superficially you understand them and you're going to have this "blind leading the blind" understanding of life forever.

You must understand concepts as ever-evolving and being perennial, universal for the entirety of history, instead of as simple cause and effect so you can point fingers and make flashy tweets about it. That's what happens when you're brainwashed by a society of catchy headlines and demagogy.

>>127532582 (OP)
No that was blues musicians.

>>127532742
Yeah I was being too generalist, those bands were just a symptom of greater shit happening by that time (like every media). Idk I intending to kinda rant about some kind of ''pinterest grunge'' stereotype which I've been encountering a lot. They're annoying asf

>>127532958
They were based asf. They were like ''MY WIFE CHEATED ON ME BUT THAT'S OK CAUSE I CHEATED ON HER WITH A 14 YEAR OLD''

>>127532582 (OP)
Not really.
When did you see normies appreciate someone for looking depressed and beta?

The world is pretty much the same as it has ever been, in this respect. The loud obnoxious fucks keep throwing their weight around and quiet introverts retreat and avoid normgroids.

You won't see betas irl being given high status for being betas, that's not how it works

But you're just farming for replies, so you picked whatever bullshit to link it with Nirvana

>>127532997
>cock.jpg

>>127532582 (OP)
>"everything cringe and emotional is millennial i love being a numb zoomer!!!!"
idk what generation you're lost in but Kurt and many young people making music in the 90s were Gen X

>>127532582 (OP)
i mean pretty much every gen x nirvana fan i've met is a meathead jock so im gonna say no

Kurt was more masculine-looking than 99% of this pathetic board lmao

>>127532582 (OP)
Kurt triggered a massive rise in suicides during the mid to late 90's. He served his purpose.

>>127532582 (OP)
Kurt shot himself because he realised he consciously polluted the Meat Puppets' songbook.

It’s interesting to think of manhood in these ways. Kurt would have characterised being alpha and a winner as a bully and asshol, uncreative and talentless. He probably wasn’t aware for a long time that women don’t like losers and assumed he’d get the girl when he was a famous rock star. Well he did but she was a whore and a snake.

>>127537698
>He probably wasn’t aware for a long time that women don’t like losers
This is untrue if you have ever met women or been with women or are generally aware of the concept of women

>>127537818
He has a song called ‘I’m a stain’

>>127537824
ok that has no bearing on my response

>>127537698
>He probably wasn’t aware for a long time that women don’t like losers and assumed he’d get the girl when he was a famous rock star.
tip of le fedora to you my good sir. women just like le assholes, not nice guys like us

>>127537835
What I’m saying is he wouldn’t sing to a crowded room songs like that if he was aware women were cringed out by it

>>127537844
Notoriously woman-averse and unpopular with the opposite sex Kurt Cobain, yeah

>>127532582 (OP)
Kurt was literally a juvenile delinquent and a school bully.

>>127537860
>literally a juvenile delinquent
COPS COPS I SPILLED MY JUCE

>>127537849
Well he was when younger

>>127537872
he was 21 when Bleach was recorded. nirvana were already incredibly popular among local scenes before then. this is not true.

>>127537927
I saw the doco. He was an ache small half homeless addict teen. Not popular

>>127537870
That fact that he had was a mentally ill sociopath, doesn't mean he was a basement dwelling incel like you. He had a social life, he had friends, he went to parties and had sex, he participated in sports, he hanged put with the wrong crowd and did rebellious shit. He was nothing like an incel.

>>127537948
i think we crossed streams because i agree with you lol

>>127537945
>album out at 21 years old and playing on college rock all over the country then on MTV before you even put out Smells Like Teen Spirit
>not popular
pick one

>>127537961
My point is he wasn’t aware that singing songs like that is a bad look and more, maybe you disagree, who cares

>>127532582 (OP)

Do you have a humiliation fetish? Cause you got truth nuked

>>127537983
>it's a bad look girls aren't into that
>except all of the college girls who were into that and continue to be

>>127537983
A bad look for who? A bad move?
Tons of people including women related to his songs. People like to put music stars in a box by making silly assumptions like “he was a sperg and women didnt like him, he was a pussy” get real man, you dont truly know who he is outside of your dimwit fantasy

What’s your idea of good and bad anyway, the cool chad that says only manly things and gets the babes? Kys

>Did Kurt Cobain make depression and betahood ''cool'''?
no, that phenomenon didn't surface until the social media age. it first arose on Tumblr in the late 00s after Cobain had been dead for >10 years

>>127538069
notorious alpha male Brian Wilson

>>127537844
>>127537983
you assume he wrote those songs to strike some kind of "look" rather than just to express himself

>>127538089
not even coming for the original anon this time but this is just how a lot of zoomie male brains work. they have been led to give money and attention to career grifters who are only concerned with perception and who despise art. it is bleak for them

>>127532582 (OP)
only a few days after Kurt died, Phil Anselmo said that people had already been shitting on him like “What a selfish guy, he left behind a wife and kid.” It seems people didn’t think he was very cool

>>127538133
you don't obtain a level of notoriety that big to where every other prominent musician on earth has an opinion of your death without years of being one of the coolest people on earth to the people that actually bought records

>>127532582 (OP)
>mental-illness, lack of masculinity and weakness

Beyond the heinous drug abuse and depression he was a normal-ish guy. The previous vision of a rock star were the absolute clowns of hair metal. Axl Rose for instance was supposed to come across as a normal working class guy if you can believe it. Kurt stuck out pretty bad.

>>127532582 (OP)
You glam metal faggots are so gay, there's nothing manly about dressing with tight leather tiny pants

>>127538831
Are you stoned nigga

>>127532599
This. You Nirvana faggots need a containment thread.

I think so, but it was a cultural phase that was necessary, and now after all this time we can learn that geeks are far worse than jocks

>>127540237
They're monsters. Look at Bill Gates. The past ages of bullying was necessary.

>>127540281
thers just as fucked up ''geeks'' or ''incels'' as theres ''jocks'' or ''chads'' what your point bra

>>127532958
not at all, blues was aggressively macho not about being a beaten whipped beta

>>127540237
>and now after all this time we can learn that geeks are far worse than jocks
And that's why progressive rock was and will always be lame.

The worst and most insidious music comes from Mormons who are the world's ultimate Poindexters.

>>127540237
>geeks and jocks

You can't be a successful musician by being a shut-in loser. It's literally imposible, you need to have an active personality. You need to ne put there knocking on doors to get noticed and become famous.

>>127532582 (OP)
Cobain embodied the Faustian spirit of Western man, whether he liked it or not. He couldn't reconcile his pursuit of fame and masculinity with his male feminist libshit beliefs and that's why he killed himself. Betas don't kill themselves, they persist to spite others. The Killers, The Strokes, MCR, and a lot of other bands from the late 90's/2000's did more damage to masculinity than Cobain wished he could have.

>>127532673
>but ama viiiirgin
>ama 5ft inceeeeeeeel
>I can't pull one sigle biiiitch
>i don't have bitcheeeees

>>127532582 (OP)
posting in a /pol/ thread

>>127544303
Your post is all levels of wrong.
As much as you retards cry about nirvana, that's the music that you were all secretly talking about.
Accept yourself, don't be a faggot retard.
I'm not dead, either.
;(
And I didn't put that gun in my mouth.

Rather, "voice of a generation" just means putting to words what the generation is feeling.
So I ask, why are you all such whiny little fuckheads?
Still whiny little fuckheads even.

he was just crazy

>>127547068
"Chaotic"

>>127532582 (OP)
Not even close. That was Morrisey

>>127532582 (OP)
Gen X made it cool, millennials and zoomers made it cringe

>>127532582 (OP)
Being depressed is cool when you're good looking.

>>127550610
Being beta is cool when your chad

>>127550610
Yeah, because people will think and wonder "why is he depressed"? So there is mystery involved when you're good looking. Now when you're ugly people know you're depressed because you're an ugly bastard.

>>127552333
same with suicide, only people with the world in their hands can really reject it
as an ugly loser it'll just be assumed to stem from your failure rather than any principled act