Thread 127541257

How did jazz get memed into being high art when it's clearly not?

Y'all can quit it with the not so subtle racism

maybe get taste and stop listening to amateurs and then you'll see why, retard

>>127541257 (OP)
jazz is very good club and wallpaper music. but to answer your question i think it's perpetuated by the musicians, not the consumers. jazz is seen as the ultimate level of musical technique as it uses polyrhythms, complex chord progressions, and sometimes very fast tempos. it's also dominated by breaks or solos where players seem to encourage eachother to play things that don't necessarily sound good but are more of a flex or music theory. i do like a lot of jazz but it got pretentious very quickly

>>127541270
No.

>>127541257 (OP)
white people ruined it the same way they ruin everything they steal

>>127541316
Proto-rock sucked.

>>127541316
Almost true, anything remotely african is just inherently bad and will get worse as whites try to make it sound good as it's basically trying to make a square into a circle. The greatest music ever written is done by western europeans and nobody else

>>127541257 (OP)
instrumental music being inaccessible + the academification thanks to lincoln center and conservatory fags

>>127541354
Do you like any metal or rock? IMO the African influence on those genres is overstated but the original rock n' roll was mostly black.

>>127541409
>Do you like any metal or rock?
no

>>127541423
What do you listen to then? Arvo Pärt? I feel like I should be listening to music that's at least somewhat recent.

>>127541434
Bruckner, Webern, Bartok, Berg, the list goes on

>>127541458
No living composers?

>>127541477
Hendrik Bouman and myself

>>127541257 (OP)
I wouldn't say it got memed into high art, but what is true is that many famous Jazz musicians had a classical music educational background. Intellectuals like to stick to themselves since our society is highly stratified by class to begin with and the Bildungsbürgertum is especially reclusive. So intellectuals do not see the jazz musician, they see the Juilliard School graduate instead, and this is enough for them to accept Jazz as a whole, as long as the can perpetuate their alumni cronyism that way. Same reason they will accept an artist who only shits diarrhea on the walls, as long as he graduated Pratt Institute, but NEVER a self-taught painter of mind-elatingly beauty.
tl;dr: It is a small club and you are not in it.

>>127541495
Poast your compositions anon

>>127541509
The thing is classical music wasn't always like this, lots of famous composers were self-taught and/or came from humble backgrounds.

>>127541511
I publish them under my real name, I'd get insta-doxxed

>>127541535
Do you have much of an audience?
>instadoxxed
You don't want your le racism getting exposed? Fair enough desu

>>127541409
that's cool and all but even the roots of that, big band, jazz, and even blues is predominantly rooted in european music

Jazz is good if you listen to it intently in lossless format on a proper setup. Otherwise it's just muzak.

>>127541570
Trvke

>>127541257 (OP)
Jews. Morons.

>>127541294
it's also very good normal music, larper

>>127541434
>Arvo Part
jesus do normies really
>>127541589
based anon gets it

>>127541747
Hating Arvo Pärt is brown coded

>>127541756
I don't have strong feelings about him one way or the other, his symphonies are fine if a bit simple in tone or form. He's just such a typical gateway for larper tourists trying to sound sophisticated.

>>127541792
>if a bit simple
The minimalist composer is simple?

>>127541792
>He's just such a typical gateway for larper tourists trying to sound sophisticated.
He's the most popular living classical composer. That's why I brought him up.

>>127541803
Not harmonically, but tonally. Or do you not understand basic musical concepts
>>127541812
Trust me, I figured that out already

>>127541851
What's wrong with simplicity?

>>127541870
Nothing in particular. I'm saying it's too simple. Please get your high school diploma and learn how to read.

>>127541899
>it's too simple
The implication is that simple = bad

>>127541913
I said it's "a bit simple" you illiterate retard. I understand minimalism deliberately uses sparse instrumentation and harmony. I'm criticizing something entirely different which you consistently fail to understand over and over. Probably because you have a shallow and superficial relationship to classical music in general, like most people who randomly bring up Arvo Part.

>>127541937
Calm the fuck down dude

>>127541951
You will always be a retard and you will never be smart.

>>127541964
Seethe more dude

>>127541913
>this fire is a bit too hot
>therefore, heat = bad

>>127541981
In 10 minutes I'll calm down, but in 10 minutes you will still be a retard, so I win. Cope.

>>127541257 (OP)
filtered. enjoy your four chord bops.

>>127542021
>admitting you're seething

>>127542012
Yes, actually. I like Arvo Pärt's simplicity.

>>127542047
Normies with dogshit taste tend to.

>>127542127
Says the guy that likes jazz

>>127542037
I've calmed down. Are you still retarded? Yes? I win. Cope and seethe.

>>127542145
>I've calmed down
Evidently not.

>>127541307
You in 5 years.

>>127542151
>dodges the question
I accept the concession

>>127541257 (OP)
because you have to actually be able to play your instrument and play it well to make jazz
jazz sucks and is one of the worst genres of music, but you do need to be good to make it
rock music is literally just 3 chords and that's all

for the longest time I considered jazz background music for boomers and I still think I'm right
even free jazz is easy listening
jazz george benson to r&b george benson is a small step, not a big leap

>>127542233
Thank you wikipedia.org, very unique and interesting take

>>127541257 (OP)

Because it’s boring to listen to. The prerequisite for “art music” (jazz, classical) is that it’s boring to listen to. Pro tip you CANNOT refute this.

>>127541294
you're criticising bebop (a subgenre of jazz), and bebop was created for musicians to wank each other off, proverbially speaking. it was not created to have mass appeal or for normies to really enjoy it, it's just musicians showing off to/for each other and it does not represent the entirety of jazz. i love jazz but i detest bebop.

>>127542239
benson and free jazz suck hairy cock thobeit

>>127541294
>jazz is seen as the ultimate level of musical technique as it uses polyrhythms, complex chord progressions, and sometimes very fast tempos
whatever you say, tourist

>>127542371
do you just listen to music or actually play an instrument? if you actually played an instrument you'd understand what i was saying

>>127542569
Been playing clarinet and guitar for nearly 20 years, piano for 15, drums for 8 or 9. Not super good, but I have proficiency in both performance and theory. Used to take formal music lessons for maybe 3 and a half years. Performed live several times as part of school band, coffee houses, bands with friends. Been listening to jazz for two decades. You, however, listened to a couple bop albums and now deluded yourself into thinking all jazz is le complexity despite thousands of numerous, famous examples like pic related. Cope harder, retard.

>>127542267
>Pro tip you CANNOT refute this.
And yet I just did.

>>127542650
lol probably should have spent some time hitting the books. neither what i said or was implying

>>127542371
yes, seen as. not is

>everyone posting post-giant step albums claiming it isn't bebop
Uh oh...

>>127541570
so is 'traditional' black music
its just southern gospel music
its always been southern gospel music

>>127541257 (OP)
posting in a /pol/ thread

>>127541257 (OP)
learn to play an instrument and maybe youll understand.

>>127541257 (OP)
does free-classical exist? no? exactly

>>127541257 (OP)
Jews.