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now 'hol up there. let's say this was the 80s. well, there were pop stars then, too. there was Belinda Carlisle, who got her start in the late 70s punk scenes (yes she had an actual rock pedigree long before Heaven Is a Place on Earth) and there was Madonna who got her start in the dance club scenes of early 80s NYC and there was Susanna Hoffs who also saw people like Patti Smith performing live and was inspired to a music career from it.
so the problem isn't actually "pop", it's people like Sabrina or Swift that were never actually involved in any organic music scenes.