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Anonymous No.127655106 >>127655160 >>127655169 >>127655211 >>127655239 >>127655751 >>127656919 >>127657293 >>127657351 >>127657364 >>127657398 >>127657407 >>127657410 >>127660596 >>127662494 >>127665462 >>127667338 >>127670016 >>127674467
Who is the greatest piano player of all time? Classical or contemporary.
Anonymous No.127655160 >>127667560
>>127655106 (OP)
Richter
Gieseking
Horowitz
Sofronitsky
Gould
Meyer
Loriod
Argerich
Zimerman
Anonymous No.127655161 >>127655199 >>127665114
Anonymous No.127655169 >>127655199 >>127657265 >>127665114
>>127655106 (OP)
For me, it's Liszt.
Anonymous No.127655199 >>127655610 >>127656099
>>127655161
>>127655169
You never heard him play.
Anonymous No.127655211 >>127655610 >>127656018 >>127656355 >>127657311
>>127655106 (OP)
Obviously Liszt. Basically everyone who knew him said he was the greatest and many of those lived into and taught the greatest pianists of the 20th century. There's a long tradition affirming it.
Anonymous No.127655229 >>127655236 >>127655456
Anton Rubinstein was giving one of his Historical recitals one morning at the Gewandhaus for the musicians of Leipzig, and I went to hear him, acting on the advice of Liszt. I was to go back to Weimar after the concert, and tell him all about it. It was a recital of Beethoven’s sonatas. Rubinstein was at his best, and played each one better than the last. I was particularly struck with his rendering of the “Moonlight” sonata, which seemed to me simply marvelous. Two hours later I was back at Liszt’s house, arriving just at the beginning of a lesson. I could hardly wait to say good-afternoon to Liszt before plunging into a breathless description of this amazing music, the glamor of which was still over me. Speaking with all the fervor and enthusiasm of youth, I told him how wonderful Rubinstein’s execution had been, and that I had never heard such a fine rendering of the “Moonlight” sonata.

All at once it seemed to me that Liszt winced, and the thought flashed across my brain that I was saying this to a man who was acknowledged to be a specialist in the interpretation of this very sonata. He listened to my glowing account, and then said composedly:

“Very good, very satisfactory.” I began to feel uneasy. Liszt walked away and began to examine the music which the pupils had brought to play. Seeing a copy of the “Moonlight” sonata amongst the pieces, he asked who was playing it. It turned out to be a young American lady.

“My dear child,” said Liszt, looking at her, “this piece must not be brought to the lessons; I allow no one to play it because, when I was young, it was my spécialité. But as ‘we’ are in a good humor to-day, I will play it to you.”
Anonymous No.127655236 >>127655456
>>127655229
Saying which, he turned his head, and, as I thought, gave me a look which meant: “Now listen, you will hear something.” He began to play, and I held my breath as I listened. Rubinstein had played on a beautiful Bechstein in a hall with very good acoustic properties; Liszt was playing in a little carpeted room, in which small space thirty-five to forty people were sitting, and the piano was worn out, unequal and discordant. He had only played the opening triplets, however, when I felt as if the room no longer held me, and when, after the first four bars, the G sharp came in in the right hand I was completely carried away. Not that he accentuated this G sharp; it was simply that he gave it an entirely new sound which even now, after twenty-seven years, I can hear distinctly. He played the whole of the first movement, then the second; the third he only commenced, saying that he was too old and had not the physical strength for it. I then realized that I had completely forgotten having listened to Rubinstein two hours before. As a pianist he no longer existed. I make this statement deliberately with a full knowledge of what I am saying—and as my readers know my opinion of Rubinstein they may thus gain some faint idea of what Liszt was as a pianist. When he had finished playing Liszt got up and came across to me. I had tears in my eyes, and was quite unstrung. I could only say:

“Meister, I am quite dazed. I never heard anything like it.” Upon which he smiled kindly, and said:

“We know how to play after all, eh?“

I now understood what Anton Rubinstein meant by calling himself a common soldier and Liszt a General, and how true this estimate was. In my opinion Liszt was as far removed from Rubinstein as Rubinstein from the rest of us.
Anonymous No.127655239
>>127655106 (OP)
Lang Lang ofc
Anonymous No.127655456
>>127655229
>>127655236
Pretty cool.
Anonymous No.127655610 >>127655685
>>127655211
see >>127655199
Anonymous No.127655685 >>127655744
>>127655610
We can hear his students and their students play. We can look at their skills and their pianistic opinions.
Anonymous No.127655744 >>127656099
>>127655685
>We can hear his students and their students play
Wow, that's crazy. Impressive mental gymnastics and logic. You're still not hearing Liszt, but people who have their own unique personalities and performing styles. Are you dense?
Anonymous No.127655751 >>127662300
>>127655106 (OP)
I'll go with Rachmaninov -- both a virtuosic player par excellence and an all-time great composer. Plus the memory of his playing is still relatively fresh (once removed) and everyone agrees that he played unlike anyone else. One could also easily argue Scriabin's case.
Anonymous No.127655980
Moon Mullican obviously, fuck your poncy classical nonsense
Anonymous No.127656018
>>127655211
lol shut up faggot
Anonymous No.127656099 >>127657250
>>127655199
>>127655744
I'm appealing to authority. Liszt was a prodigal genius and his ability was confirmed by everyone who witnessed him play. This is historical fact and it's worth far more than some random faggot on 4chan saying "lol u didn't see him play how do you know". Retard.
Anonymous No.127656355 >>127656543
>>127655211
whos your favorite who you have heard play with your own ears?
Anonymous No.127656543
>>127656355
your mom is the greatest at tickling my keys if you know what i mean
Anonymous No.127656919
>>127655106 (OP)
Bill Evans
Anonymous No.127657250 >>127657350 >>127662427
>>127656099
That's crazy, bro. You still haven't heard him play.
>I'm appealing to authority
Should have stopped right there. At least you recognize the fact that you're retarded.
Anonymous No.127657265
>>127655169
This. Sounds like he has 88 fingers
Anonymous No.127657293
>>127655106 (OP)
pic unrelated
Anonymous No.127657311
>>127655211
>Basically everyone who knew him said he was the greatest and many of those lived into and taught the greatest pianists of the 20th century. There's a long tradition affirming it.
the people getting angry at this post are godless jews and homosexuals because they know they should belive in Jesus even though they haven't seen him with their own eyes
they know where this logic leads and it upsets them deeply
Anonymous No.127657343 >>127660768
Art Tatum
Anonymous No.127657350 >>127657577 >>127659509
>>127657250
Isn't it retarded that under your terms, the greatest musician in any category is a musician from the last hundred or so years?
Anonymous No.127657351
>>127655106 (OP)
Satie is easily my favourite classical composer, but his music is like piano playing for chimps. It was his mind, not his hands, that held the magic.
Anonymous No.127657364 >>127663970
>>127655106 (OP)
>composers
Liszt, Rachmaninoff
>performers
Horowitz, Argerich, Hamelin, Zimmerman
>jazz
Tatum
Anonymous No.127657398
>>127655106 (OP)
Yoko Shinomura
Anonymous No.127657407
>>127655106 (OP)
Ludovico Einanudi
Anonymous No.127657410
>>127655106 (OP)
Jerry Lee Lewis
Anonymous No.127657502
Prokofiev
Anonymous No.127657577 >>127659509
>>127657350
the only pianist i've ever heard play was in a mall, ergo he's the greatest pianist of all time according to my bullet proof logic. incidentally, the greatest painter of all time i saw in the same mall doing caricatures.
Anonymous No.127659509 >>127662436
>>127657350
>>127657577
We're talking past each other. Liszt's reputation as the 'greatest pianist ever' rests on historical testimony and influence, not recordings. Students, lineages, and anecdotes don't equal hearing the man himself. Any direct claim about his sound or interpretive style is speculation. That means we can't compare him to modern pianists on the same empirical grounds. Everybody knows Liszt's reputation, but if we're not comparing what we can actually hear, then what's the point of the thread?
Anonymous No.127660596
>>127655106 (OP)
>contemporary
Not music.
Anonymous No.127660768
>>127657343
yep
Anonymous No.127662300 >>127672391
>>127655751
Rachmaninoff recorded. Not as much as he should've, but there's plenty evidence of his abilities.
Anonymous No.127662427 >>127666785
>>127657250

It doesn't matter that we can't hear his recordings. Not only were his talents and abilities extensively documented by critics and musicians and tastemakers of his day, but his innovations and accomplishments are almost without equal. He was the first solo pianist to give recitals for thousands in concert halls. He was the first player to add the Hammerklavier Sonata to his repertoire. His original compositions, from his Sonata in B Minor to his Beethoven symphony transcriptions, are still gold standards for the instrument to this day. He was the first guy to figure out how to do for the piano what Paganini did for the violin, but one-upped Paganini since he was working on an instrument that had been perfected almost two centuries earlier, where for Liszt he was working with which had only just been perfected in his lifetime.

Franz Liszt was the best of all time.
Anonymous No.127662436 >>127666785
>>127659509

Because we don't just need to compare what we can hear. Not only his reputation, but his concerts provide evidence of his greatness.
Anonymous No.127662493 >>127662504
Tom Brier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9IkpUYlOx8
Anonymous No.127662494
>>127655106 (OP)
I don't know, but after hearing some of them play their own stuff I'm sad that we won't get to hear most of them.
https://youtu.be/xgD8Qq01CxY
https://youtu.be/zE0kvi-15L4

It's like only ever hearing things through (often bad) cover bands and never the original artists with the vision that goes with it.
Anonymous No.127662504
>>127662493
based loyal tom brier anon. well i assume it's same guy every time.
Anonymous No.127663914
Best thread open right now, getting all kinds of good stuff here
Anonymous No.127663970 >>127670718
>>127657364
>Argerich
Lol come on now. Insanely overrated.
Anonymous No.127665114
>>127655161
>>127655169
Yes
Anonymous No.127665462
>>127655106 (OP)
James Booker
Anonymous No.127666785 >>127667198
>>127662427
>>127662436
I'm aware of what Liszt did, I studied music history. Nobody denies his innovations or reputation. The issue is definition. If "greatest pianist" means "most influential in history", then you might as well close the thread after one reply. But if "greatest pianist" means "the best playing we can actually evaluate and compare with our own ears", then Liszt can't be part of that conversation, since you can't compare him to recorded pianists on the same empirical grounds. If it's the former, the thread is pointless; anyone with sense would mean the latter.
Anonymous No.127667198 >>127667383 >>127667409
>>127666785
You are fucking retarded. Please never listen to music again.
Anonymous No.127667338
>>127655106 (OP)
Keith Jarrett
Anonymous No.127667383
>>127667198
Not an argument, but feel free to try again.
Anonymous No.127667409
>>127667198
What exactly didn't you understand? You look like an idiot and this is clearly above your pay grade. Explain if you can. If not: not an argument and I accept your concession.
Anonymous No.127667456 >>127667498
people should be judged against their contemporaries in my opinion.

That’s a timeless and hotly debated question—there’s no single, universally agreed-upon “greatest” pianist, because it depends on whether you’re judging by technical ability, emotional depth, historical influence, or popularity.
* If you’re asking historically: **Liszt** and **Rachmaninoff** are the towering names.
* If you’re asking in the 20th century: **Horowitz** and **Art Tatum**.
* If you’re asking today: **Martha Argerich** is the name most people put at the top.
Anonymous No.127667498
>>127667456
Thanks, ChatGPTard.
>Art Tatum
Lol
Anonymous No.127667560
>>127655160
fpbp
Anonymous No.127669581
>You are fucking retarded. Please never listen to music again.
Anonymous No.127670016 >>127670050 >>127671029
>>127655106 (OP)
No mention of Hofmann, who was one of the greatest who we have recorded evidence of. Rachmaninoff thought he was superior.
Anonymous No.127670050
>>127670016
Him playing Chopin Ballade No. 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqPN4gXy834
Anonymous No.127670686 >>127671009
Yuja Wang, and it's not close.
Anonymous No.127670718
>>127663970
i just like how natural her technique is
Anonymous No.127671009 >>127672198
>>127670686
"Greatest" is based on their music, not how many times you've masturbated to them.
Anonymous No.127671029
>>127670016
>When Rachmaninov—a first-rate pianist, conductor, and composer—would hear Josef Hofmann perform any piece of music, he would instantly drop it from his repertoire and never play it again. When Abe Chasins asked him why, Rachmaninov replied: “What’s the point? That’s the music; there it is, in total perfection. There’s nothing that can be added to such a performance. And who else can do it but Josef? Nobody!”
>Anton Rubinstein, who hated child prodigies, called Josef Hofmann “the greatest musical genius the world has ever known.”
Anonymous No.127672198
>>127671009
Kek
Anonymous No.127672221
Speaking of piano composers, Scriabin is next level. His evolution is one of the most incredible artistic journeys in all of history. He is the GOAT.
Anonymous No.127672391
>>127662300
True, but I don't know how well one can judge about his abilities from recordings of that era, given their (presumably) poor quality
Anonymous No.127674467
>>127655106 (OP)
I think the best living pianist is probably Garrick Ohlsson