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Anonymous No.127661487 >>127661558 >>127661566 >>127661679 >>127662248 >>127662896 >>127663078 >>127663435 >>127664261 >>127664429 >>127666271 >>127667495 >>127667536 >>127669923 >>127670217 >>127670307
What is nu-metal anyways
Is papa roach really nu-metal?

What do songs like Last resort have in common with other nu metal bands?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2R6uT7uLFg
The riffs don't feel very bouncy.
Anonymous No.127661525
https://youtu.be/0GDU8OlgYOQ?si=krx_ffDbgE235OLF

this is somehow in the same genre
Anonymous No.127661542 >>127662938 >>127670218
Nu-metal means every band influenced by Faith No More's trans alt rock.
Anonymous No.127661558
>>127661487 (OP)
It's the buttrock version of Nu-Metal like Disturbed and Godsmack.
Anonymous No.127661566
>>127661487 (OP)
>nubian
Anonymous No.127661574 >>127662241 >>127663332
Nu-Metal is an useless term. Fucking Sepultura is considered Nu-Metal.
Anonymous No.127661679
>>127661487 (OP)
Downtuned guitar and no guitar solo so it's Nu-Metal.
Anonymous No.127661976
nu-metal was just the catch-all term for a newer strain of popular alternative metal in the mid-late 1990s derived from combining funk rock/funk metal and rap metal with trends in other genres from popular music at the time.
Anonymous No.127662241
>>127661574
>Nu-Metal is an useless term. Fucking Sepultura is considered Nu-Metal.
what would you call their album against?
Anonymous No.127662248 >>127662350 >>127663596
>>127661487 (OP)
It's hook-based heavy rock with downtuned guitars. Not really riff based
Anonymous No.127662350 >>127662441 >>127663596
>>127662248
>It's hook-based heavy rock with downtuned guitars. Not really riff based
What is the difference between a riff and a hook?
Anonymous No.127662441 >>127662842
>>127662350
Riff is played in a guitar. Think Enter Sandman or Sweet Child Of Mine. Hook is a repeating vocal part. This I did it all for the Nookie... Or Black hole Sun Won't you come
Anonymous No.127662842
>>127662441
Last resort has a very distinctive riff though.
Anonymous No.127662896
>>127661487 (OP)
https://youtu.be/ESOjt2_yJrU?si=S1K6gL-VWn5BTT_s
Anonymous No.127662938 >>127662989 >>127663128
>>127661542
what do you mean by trans
Anonymous No.127662989 >>127663128 >>127665772 >>127670208
>>127662938
He means he personally doesn't like it therefore everyone who does must have gender dysphoria.
Anonymous No.127663078 >>127663332
>>127661487 (OP)
It's just some suits trying to marry metal with pop in an attempt to appeal to a mass of "rebelious" millennial teens and pre teens. Just a forgotten reactionary to Britney and NSnyc. A few catchy tunes though.
Anonymous No.127663128
>>127662938
>>127662989
I love FNM, my fav band ever in fact, i love trannies too, and i see in them this weird uncanny non-rock rock thing, its a very queer band, spiritually speaking, sort of trojan horse.
Anonymous No.127663332
>>127661574
This post is nu-metal propaganda. Sepultura was nu-metal for one album, Roots, where they clearly simplified their riff styles and limited their soloing. No one listened to Sepultura after that album so I have no idea if they remained nu-metal or not. Obviously everything from Chaos AD and earlier had nothing to do with nu-metal.
>>127663078
Yep. Nu-metal is pop-rock with downtuned guitars. In my mind the easiest way to tell the difference between nu-metal and actual metal is nu-metal is singer focused with catchy refrains and a limitation on guitar riffs and solos. Metal is a guitar forward genre.
Anonymous No.127663419 >>127663438 >>127663476 >>127663891 >>127664107 >>127664405 >>127670218
Name a good/interesting nu-metal guitar solo.
A single one.
One.
Anonymous No.127663435 >>127665761 >>127670233 >>127674682
>>127661487 (OP)
Nu-Metal stood at the vertex of Rap Rock, Hard Alternative/Grunge, Industrial Rock/Metal, Funk Metal, Groove Metal and even Hardcore Punk, all popular on MTV from the late '80s up until '94. By the time Korn dropped their first album, all those genres fell by the wayside and Nu-Metal rose to the top.

While bands seldom differentiated in lyrics covering pain, angst, destruction and misanthropy, most of them sounded worlds apart from one another. Korn, Limp Bizkit, Soulfly or Static-X reveled in bravado, impulsive and tribalistic aggression while Slipknot or Marilyn Manson hearkened to '70s Shock Rock with '90s sensibilities and aesthetics. Korn took cues from Faith No More and Helmet while Slipknot looked up to Mr. Bungle. Deftones had a more Post-Hardcore meets Hip-Hop undertone to their Nu-Metal sound. Towards the twilight of the genre's life, Linkin Park was introspective in their lyrics and focused more on Electronic, Trip-Hop and even Ambient atmospheres with their sound.

Separating those bands from their influences was their willingness to conform and return to machismo thanks to the Hip-Hop and Hardcore influences. Alternative bands were often quirky, elegant and socially progressive, thus politically correct. Nu-Metal took the opposite approach with more bands conforming to a tough-as-nails working class style. With minor exception, those guys were looking to throw down if you so much as gave them an awkward look.

To me, these bands were directly responsible for Nu-Metal's genesis or were influential, but not necessarily Nu-Metal: Pantera, Helmet, Prong, 24-7 Spyz, Living Colour, Fishbone, Deftones, Mordred, RATM, Tool, Infectious Grooves, Mr. Bungle, Faith No More, '90s Sepultura, Alice in Chains, Acid Bath, Godsmack, Body Count, White Zombie, L.A.P.D., Korn, Biohazard, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, Skinlab, Slipknot, Soulfly, Powerman 5000, P.O.D. and many others.
Anonymous No.127663438
>>127663419
All the shit munky and head did in korns song verses was killer
Anonymous No.127663476
>>127663419
>nu metal song whips out a blistering thrash metal guitar solo
https://youtu.be/IW_y31bRW3M?t=162
Anonymous No.127663596 >>127664111 >>127664281
>>127662248
>>127662350
Nu-metal does have riffs, 90% of fucking rock music has riffs.

Nu-metal riffs on the other hand are rhythmic and syncopated, generally following behind and supporting the singing/song form (verses, choruses, bridgest, etc) and complimenting the the bass and drumming. Nearly every nu-metal song has riffs, but people rarely talk about the riffs; There's rarely points in nu-metal where the guitars ever take center stage over the elements.

While most other metal on the other hand IS riff-based. Metal riffs are rarely tied down and rarely conform to the bassline, the drum patterns or singing; If anything all of these things are built around the metal riff which is the driving force of most metal tracks.
Anonymous No.127663891
>>127663419
There's some nice guitar solos on Limp Bizkit's Gold Cobra.
Anonymous No.127664107
>>127663419
https://youtu.be/tjDlL87sHMw?si=eVPuy-BFfUH2UdBX
Anonymous No.127664111
>>127663596
>Nu-metal riffs on the other hand are rhythmic and syncopated, generally following behind and supporting the singing/song form (verses, choruses, bridgest, etc) and complimenting the the bass and drumming. Nearly every nu-metal song has riffs, but people rarely talk about the riffs; There's rarely points in nu-metal where the guitars ever take center stage over the elements.
>While most other metal on the other hand IS riff-based. Metal riffs are rarely tied down and rarely conform to the bassline, the drum patterns or singing; If anything all of these things are built around the metal riff which is the driving force of most metal tracks.

What do you think about Last Resort? In my opinion, the song's main riff is closer to the second category. That part of the song is not syncopated (though I think the bass and kick drum is).


People have compared it to a riff in the second half of an Iron Maiden instrumental called Genghis Khan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPUypo-aKDc
It's not exactly the same and this is played faster than last resort, but it's very similar. You can hear it starting at 1:45.
Anonymous No.127664261 >>127664275 >>127664429
>>127661487 (OP)
Only the first album and sometimes their second
Anonymous No.127664275 >>127664429
>>127664261
I assume you mean their first major label album, because infest wasn't technically their first album.
Anonymous No.127664281
>>127663596
What about other stuff like metalcore/deathcore/whatever.
Nu-Metal Fan No.127664405 >>127664911
>>127663419
guitar solos are cringe
Nu-Metal Fan No.127664429
>>127661487 (OP)
>>127664261
>>127664275
Papa Roach wasn't nu metal outside of Infest era.

Nu-Metal is simply really heavy guitar sounds (which came to redefine metal for people who weren't around for the 1980s) plus rapping and very similar sounding singing.
Anonymous No.127664911 >>127665048 >>127665295
>>127664405
Even in numetal?
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=WjNb0j7dJws
Anonymous No.127665048 >>127665374
>>127664911
this is such a bad song that the guitar solo happens to be the only good part
Anonymous No.127665295 >>127665393
>>127664911
This isn't nu-metal.
Anonymous No.127665310 >>127669951
nu metal is a vibe

static x, bizkit, pod all sound different but they bring this youthful and aggressive feeling that any other metal genre fails to do
Anonymous No.127665374
>>127665048
bad taste.
Anonymous No.127665387 >>127665402
Nu metal was the last time rock rocked
Anonymous No.127665393
>>127665295
what about this then:
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=50s2s6APlag
Anonymous No.127665402
>>127665387
how does it compare to other splinters, like metalcore and whatever?
Anonymous No.127665761
>>127663435
>To me, these bands were directly responsible for Nu-Metal's genesis or were influential, but not necessarily Nu-Metal: Pantera, Helmet, Prong, 24-7 Spyz, Living Colour, Fishbone, Deftones, Mordred, RATM, Tool, Infectious Grooves, Mr. Bungle, Faith No More, '90s Sepultura, Alice in Chains, Acid Bath, Godsmack, Body Count, White Zombie, L.A.P.D., Korn, Biohazard, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, Skinlab, Slipknot, Soulfly, Powerman 5000, P.O.D. and many others.

A bunch of these are pretty much the definition of nu-metal though?
Anonymous No.127665772
>>127662989
the same, but inverted, like your penis.
Anonymous No.127666271
>>127661487 (OP)
Nu-metal is more of a period of time than a traditional genre. It's basically just a catch-all term for non-conventional/ traditional metal band from the mid 90s through early 2000s
Anonymous No.127666304 >>127667398
It's rap-rock
https://youtu.be/9362u669Gkg?si=IsxyXgYkkO1epMXt
Anonymous No.127667398 >>127667425 >>127669956
>>127666304
Korn and SoaD don't really have rapping but they're the two tentpoles of the genre. The truth is nu-metal doesn't really exist. It's basically just alternative metal from the 90's and doesn't have a typical form imo
Anonymous No.127667425
>>127667398
It's just metal mixed with funk and/or hip-hop. That's pretty much what all of these bands had in common
Anonymous No.127667495
>>127661487 (OP)
I hate this shit. I don't want to look at a roach. I don't want to listen to a band with roach in the name. Roaches are disgusting.
Anonymous No.127667536
>>127661487 (OP)
>cut my dick into pieces
>mutilation outta sight
is it true this song has become the unofficial tranny anthem?
Anonymous No.127669212 >>127669837 >>127669929 >>127674534
>bang
>bang
>bang
>snare
Oldfags remember when this was considered too "nu-metallish"?
Anonymous No.127669837
>>127669212
never listened to the fullthing
Anonymous No.127669923
>>127661487 (OP)
>What is nu-metal anyways
Metal without guitar solos, usually infused with influences from other music - typically rap or electronica - released around 1994-2007
Anonymous No.127669929
>>127669212
hence why as a late millennial this is their only metal album I like
Anonymous No.127669951
>>127665310
>static x, bizkit, pod all sound different
Limp Bizkit and POD clearly fell into the rap-rock camp of nu-metal whereas Static X was more into the synth/electronica/industrial camp at home with Fear Factory and like Rammstein
Anonymous No.127669956 >>127670024 >>127670165
>>127667398
>Korn
Freak On A Leash
>System Of A Down
Chop Suey

Come on now. Stop saying dumb things.
Anonymous No.127670024 >>127670182 >>127673086
>>127669956
>>System Of A Down
>Chop Suey
Calling it rapping is kind of a stretch, it's closer to vocalese jazz singing.

Shimmy or I-E-A-I-A-I-O definitely sound like rapping though

Same with Korn, they have a song with Fred Durst that's just a rap battle about which singer is the gayest and/or has the bigger dick. Another song with Ice Cube about how cool it is to be a gen x teenager in 1998.
Anonymous No.127670066 >>127670121
>SOMEONE TAKES A PART OF ME-
>808 DEEP BASS BRAAAAAAAAAPPPPP
that snippet alone is more creative than 99% of metal btw
Anonymous No.127670121 >>127670131
>>127670066
>>808 DEEP BASS BRAAAAAAAAAPPPPP
are they really using an 808 there? I thought it they had that clicky bass player
Anonymous No.127670131 >>127670229
>>127670121
Its a roland digital pad that emulates the 808 kick, you can see david hitting it live
Anonymous No.127670165
>>127669956
>Freak On A Leash
He does that scat singing, but he doesn't actually rap. He does rap on "All in the Family" from the same album, which is a rap battle with fred durst: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=QCrbErzHD0g
Anonymous No.127670182 >>127670267
>>127670024
You mean "was"? Because 1980 is practically millennial, and everything lived before that definitely not.
Anonymous No.127670208
>>127662989
Freak of nature.
Anonymous No.127670217
>>127661487 (OP)
Vocal influence from hip-hop, hard hitting rock, gross out aesthetic, downtuned guitars, similar production, same public image of the band as other acts. And most importantly because the fans are all the same
Anonymous No.127670218 >>127670241 >>127674433
>>127661542
Pretty good way of putting it except the tranny obsession
>>127663419
System of a Down - Soil
Anonymous No.127670229 >>127670328
>>127670131
>Its a roland digital pad that emulates the 808 kick, you can see david hitting it live
That's interesting. Is there any article about their instrumentation or did you figure it out yourself?
Anonymous No.127670233 >>127674565 >>127674682
>>127663435
>Alice in Chains
>Acid Bath
>Ministry
>Tool
>Marilyn Manson
>Nine Inch Nails

Do you even know what you're talking about?
Anonymous No.127670241
>>127670218
>except the tranny obsession
How new r u
Anonymous No.127670267
>>127670182
Yeah I mean Ice Cube and Jonathan Davis were in their late 20s when they wrote & recorded that song, and they themselves are Gen Xers, but the market demographic was moreso for teenager millenials.
Anonymous No.127670307 >>127671524
>>127661487 (OP)
It's funny how like half of all nu-metal songs were about being molested and all the badass skater stoner bros circa 1999 were all "YEAH DUDE this shit TOTALLY ROCKS"
Anonymous No.127670328
>>127670229
Just watching him live. Picrel is the pads but theyre just triggers, the instrument itself must be racked, doubt its analog. Also the drop is a sinewave that smoothly pitches down as it decays, no click/attack so its not fieldy.
Anonymous No.127671524
>>127670307
last resort is about being suicidal and lost in life (the music video also makes this clear).

I think people tend to not pay attnetion to lyrics.
Anonymous No.127673086 >>127673312 >>127673567
>>127670024
I think korn does have rap on songs other than those 2, but its not common
Anonymous No.127673312 >>127673491
>>127673086
Slipknot doesn't have rapping on every track and yet it's still undeniably a nu-metal album. One drop rule.
Anonymous No.127673491 >>127676074
>>127673312
Also that they had a DJ and a keyboard/sample player as permanent.

So much of nu-metal resided in the typical guitar/drumb/bass + another instrument. If it wasn't a DJ like in Linkin Park or Deftones or Mushroomhead then it was a keyboard player.

Ill Nino went the route of having two people playing the bongos and other jazzy latin instruments, same with Powerman 5000's first EP and album before they shifted to their electronica sci-fi sound
Anonymous No.127673567 >>127673700
>>127673086
Rap and metal were so intertwined in nu-metal that Ice Cube was one of the performers on the original Family Values Tour (Korn, Limp Bizkit, Rammstein, Orgy, and Incubus for the last 4 days)
Anonymous No.127673700 >>127673802
>>127673567
Its interesting how rap & metal went in a completely different direction in nu-metal than stuff like Body Count (metal band with Ice-T):
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=JRbC56BA-fg

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=VJVp9dKWGI0
Anonymous No.127673802
>>127673700
Body count was its own thing, Ice T was a rapper but he was a metal singer in a metal (that just happened to be all black and singing about mostly black issues)
kinda like what Bad Brains was to hardcore punk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NAPYIMMbWQ
Anonymous No.127674433
>>127670218
YWNBAW
Anonymous No.127674534 >>127675030
>>127669212
It doesn't really sound much like Nu Metal, just its own kinda thing.
Anonymous No.127674543
>Bizkit
>LP
>SOAD
>POD
>Crazy Town
>Papa Roach
>Godsmack
>Slipknot
>Kittie
>(early) Deftones
yeah

the good ol' days
Anonymous No.127674565 >>127674682
>>127670233
>Do you even know what you're talking about?

Lots of Nu-Metal took influences from these acts. Lots of Nu-Metal bands also switched to Post-Grunge/Buttrock later on. It's obvious lots of these bands were copying formulas played by bigger bands.
Anonymous No.127674682
>>127663435
>>127670233
>>127674565
what influences did numetal take from tool?
was it from their earlier albums? cause iirc even early tools a lot more complex than most numetal
Anonymous No.127675030
>>127674534
St Anger is definitely a nu-metal album. Which is precisely why grognards hated it.
Anonymous No.127676074 >>127676719
>>127673491
i dont think papa roach had a dj (at least not on this song)
Anonymous No.127676719 >>127677480
>>127676074
nah they were one of the bands that were the classic guitar/bass/drum setup, but their first album was focused enough on hip hop in its vocals without the need for a DJ
Anonymous No.127677219
What's the point of having a DJ anyways? I'm not denying the skill of guys like DJ lethal, but for the most part, what do they bring to the table that a keyboardist and sample triggers couldn't?
Anonymous No.127677480
>>127676719
is the vocals and lack of solos what makes them nu-metal?