Thread 128023487

Why would rapping in itself be music? Hip-hop is one thing, but simply rapping has only rhythm.

It's not music

Outdated definition.

>>128023487 (OP)
By that logic drumming only music is not actually music

Every SOUND, has a PITCH, IDIOT

>>128024174
If there's not even pitch variation, why would it be music? What is music to you? Is speaking music? Who defines music like this?
>>128024199
By your definition every succession of sounds is music.

ALSO, you have to go out of your way to find vocals by themselves

>>128024329
MICROVARIATIONS and MICROPITCHES, IDIOT

>>128023487 (OP)
Who is saying this? Why do you start a thread with an argument no one is making?

>>128024329
>By your definition every succession of sounds is music.
Yes? What's music and what isn't has never been objective. Any kind of sound can be considered music.

>>128024338
Depending on the "vocal", it indeed has melody. Rapping is not singing by definition.
>>128024353
Again, as I said to the other anon: what is music to you? Anything with microvariations of pitch? Because talking has that.

>>128024373
>>128019386

>>128024393
Do you recognize some sort of difference pattern between talking and singing?

You underestimate the musicality of speech because you're tone deaf. I wonder what it's like to be tone deaf. Must be interesting and compel people to make threads like this.

>>128024463
>>128024449

>>128024463
The type of retard who goes out of their way to post "not music" on every rap/hip-hop thread is also the same type of retard that worships death metal

>>128024338
So you agree that a part of music (that is, rapping) is not music by itself?

>>128024576
I don't love death metal but at least it is a little different from talking.

>>128024576
I hate death metal but at least it's not made by niggers propped up by white producers

>>128023526
fpbp

>>128023487 (OP)
Rapping is a vocal delivery style and the human voice is an instrument

>>128024329
do you seriously not consider a drum solo as music?

>>128024651
is rhythm not music

>>128023487 (OP)
learn the history of music and poetry, then you'll understand
bnut i suspect you really just want to rip on rap so have at it

>>128024411
>Rapping is not singing by definition.
not actually true tho

>>128025675
I don't, if it's alone and without a musical context (being before or after pieces of music).

>>128025706
Death metal at least has melodies and harmony.

>>128025349
Exactly. Vocal delivery is not music necessarily.

>>128025766
>(...) Rap differs from spoken-word poetry in that it is usually performed off-time to musical accompaniment.[6] It also differs from singing, which varies in pitch and does not always include words. (...)

>>128025751
What part am I missing that implies that rapping is different from reciting poetry off-time?

>>128025984
cool then so we agree its a preference of do you prefer an emphasis on rhythm or melodies and not a debate on whether its music or not

>>128026026
rhythm is music tho

>>128026162
The general definition of music is:
>Music is the arrangement of sound to create some combination of form, harmony, melody, rhythm, or otherwise expressive content.[1][2][3]
You're admitting rapping has only rhythm, right?
>>128026172
A part of music is not music in itself. What is your definition of music? And who uses it?

>>128026358
i admit tha rapping emphasises rhythm the most out of all musical elements of course rap has melody and harmony incorporated in it (instrumentals & possible chord progressions from samples) but rhythm is lifted above all others

me and you have different definitions of music then because if drum solos aren't music according to you because they have no pitch and only have rhythm then we disagree heavily on music right there

i believe music doesn't always have to emphasize melody because that's not the only form of music

>>128026452
>of course rap has melody and harmony incorporated in it (instrumentals & possible chord progressions from samples)
Rapping =/= rap music = hip-hop. Rapping is only the vocal part. I'm not discussing rap/hip-hop, I'm discussing rapping only. See the OP.
>me and you have different definitions of music then because if drum solos aren't music according to you because they have no pitch and only have rhythm then we disagree heavily on music right there
>i believe music doesn't always have to emphasize melody because that's not the only form of music
What's your definition? Because of course if you lower the definition to accept anything, sure rapping can be music, but if you use the general definition of music say most people use, rapping is not music.

>>128026452
Btw sorry for the edits in my comment.

>>128023526
fpbp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vePegvSGXE
ur white ass would sound as flat as dr phill rappin

>>128024329
rapping has pitch variation. not even the most primitive rapping of the 80s was ever really monotone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heJNHYCSsIc

>>128024666
your mask slipped

Reciting (or reading) poetry can be musical or not. It’s why you can read things to the tune of other things, you can turn a poem into a song by slight alterations. Rapping is not merely speaking, otherwise it would not be called something other than speaking, it’s a recitation or an improvised recitation, it has a different rhythm from normal speech.
This is a dumb thread, asking dumb questions and requiring obvious rebuttals

>>128023487 (OP)
you are retarded

>>128028859
The other anon was talking about drums. And depending on your definition of melody (if it's broad enough) anything can be melody. In this case, sure, rapping could be music, but any succession of sounds with any type of pitch variation could as well.

>>128026748
my definition of music is that if it has a musical element then it's music.

most people see rapping as music just as most people see a drum solo as music, as the drum is a musical instrument despite being unpitched percussion

>>128029062
Rapping is not merely speaking, otherwise it would not be called something other than speaking, it’s a recitation or an improvised recitation, it has a different rhythm from normal speech.
Exactly. It's a type of vocal delivery. But to call it music you'd have to call any succession of souds with any type of pitch variation music. And rapping is called something other than singing because it's not singing, it's another thing. Not every vocal delivery is music, at least not in the general definition of music that most people use.

>>128030681
>my definition of music is that if it has a musical element then it's music
That's a circular definition. You didn't say what is a "musical element".
>most people see rapping as music just as most people see a drum solo as music
If you ask them why it's very likely that they won't have an answer.
>as the drum is a musical instrument despite being unpitched percussion
It is, but not everything that comes from a drum is music. That's the point. In the general definition of music, a drum solo for example would have to be in a musical context, that is, with melody and harmony.

>>128029062
>Rapping is not merely speaking, otherwise it would not be called something other than speaking, it’s a recitation or an improvised recitation, it has a different rhythm from normal speech.
Exactly. It's a type of vocal delivery. But to call it music you'd have to call any succession of souds with any type of pitch variation music. And rapping is called something other than singing because it's not singing, it's another thing. Not every vocal delivery is music, at least not in the general definition of music that most people use.

Bump

>>128030744
a musical element is something that has either rhythm harmony or melody

if you asked them why a drum solo is music they'd prob say rhythm

>>128032983
>a musical element is something that has either rhythm harmony or melody
As I said, if you use this definition (the one in which any musical element is enough for music), sure rapping could count as music, but so could practically any succession of sounds. You would be broadening the definition to allow anything in.
>if you asked them why a drum solo is music they'd prob say rhythm
Which is not a (good) answer unless they use your very broad definition that accepts anything.

Bump

Rhythm is more fundamental then harmony or melody faggot. It is what is next and when faggot. Music is anything that can be captured in a measure faggot.

>>128036637
>Music is anything that can be captured in a measure
Who uses this definition? You in specific?