Thread 128056061

"Smash Mouth is prog" edition

What is Progressive Rock?
>https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/

Good albums to start with?
>https://www.musicgenretree.org/essential_prog.png

Obscure prog gems
>https://rateyourmusic.com/list/antonbildern/a-secret-society-obscure-progressive-rock-albums/

Previous thread: >>127985168

>>128056061 (OP)
If you're anything else but a form purist and a skill rebel on this chart then you don't actually get prog

>no lodge memorial edition
k man

>>128056061 (OP)
Only 2 of those bands are prog.

>>128056407
I also love Limp Bizkit and Smash Mouth

RIP, one of my favorite vocalists

>>128056061 (OP)
>Smash Mouth is prog
Well, they sang "I'm a Believer". Whoe else sang "I'm a Believer"? Robert Wyatt.
Ergo, Smash Mouth is prog.

>>128056407
Beatles and King Crimson
ez

>>128056438
0/2 but i kek'd
>>128056549
1/2 and no keks, sad face

A Louse Is Not a Home is one of the best songs ever recorded.

>>128056061 (OP)
serious question
up until the very late 60s, there was little proficiency in rock music
there was one or another guitarist who was great at playing the blues, or a more skilled drummer, but overall the bar wasn't that high
so how the fuck was it that, seemingly out of nowhere, a whole generation of amazing musicians came to be and created prog rock?
where were they before, and how has no other rock subgenre before or since been so filled with brilliant and highly skilled musicians?

Roger won
Tony won

Acknowledge Kansas

>>128060026
Didn't know Andre the Giant and Alan Moore started a band

>>128056061 (OP)
>Smash Mouth is prog
This but unironically

bump

>>128060026
Are their 21th century releases any good?

https://youtu.be/GHhD4PD75zY
This is prog

Ween is prog!!!!!!!

>>128060069
>>128062951
>>128063894

Crazy Frog is prog

>>128064059
yes

>>128064059
crazy prog is frog

For me, its crazy frog prog.

>>128058556
noone knows

>>128058556
your timeline is messed up, its a slow progress

>>128064527
So this is why it's called progressive rock... whoa...

>>128056061 (OP)
Interesting. Does this mean the best way to get Americans to use "are" instead of "is" for collective nouns is to have "The" at the start of your band name?

>>128065070
The Crimson Kings

>>128064059
Penis

>>128064527
no it wasn't
Clapton was called the greatest guitarist in the world in 67 for his pentatonic noodling, and two years later, Fripp was soloing in 21st Century Schizoid Man
The Soft Machine went from playing silly pop songs to odd jazz infused psychedelia in a year's notice
Yes was playing Beatles covers, and out of nowhere started playing intricate and complex music
the bar was raised incredibly high in very little time

>>128064051
it's called a joke, anon

>>128065668
I know, but it's become tired

Currently giving a listen to Soft Machine 4.

>>128060046
kek

>SO (SO) IT WILL BE THEN
>CHANGE (CHANGE) IT WILL HAPPEN
>SEE (SEE) THAT WE FEEL IT
>ALL IS COMPLETED

>>128066176
I feel like this album is just as good as Third

>>128066176
their last great album, but also the beginning of the end for them
shutting down and firing Wyatt was a mistake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_DWKVB7riM

>>128066270
I love Robert Wyatt
drew him a few years ago

Jamiroquai is prog

>I'm bored with Caravan, Fleetwood Mac and Uncle Sam
>I'm sick of Tangerine Dream, Hatfield and Soft Machine
>Radio Gnome and Henry Cow, we're not part of that now
>One question we all dread, "What's doing Mike Ratledge?"
>I'm tired of questions like, "What is he doing, Mike?"
>"What's doing Robert Wyatt?", "What's doing Kevin Ayers?"
>"What's rattling Mike Doodlage?"

Which King Crimson album should I listen to right now?

>>128066837
beat

>>128066837
Islands

Yessisters, why didn't you tell me about this album sooner? It's beautiful.

rushbros, our response?

>>128067869
something about trees or something

>>128066298
>funk + jazz = prog
maybe progressive rock wouldn't have the smelly reputation it does if people didn't keep trying to own or claim everything as "prog"

>>128069989
I was just havin a giggle. Although Music of the Mind does remind me a lot of Return to Forever.

The Mother 1 vocal album is prog. Few know this!

>>128056061 (OP)
My asshole is prog

>we're going to bang cock in thailand
lmaoing at everyone who thought the lyrics were about weed

>>128071259
It's too stretched out?

THE KIDS CAUGHT BRONCHITIS

>>128071042
>constantly alternates between guitar-driven pop tracks and sudden jarring avant-garde stuff like Magicant and the Eight Melodies

Honestly, this is as prog as any Alan Parsons Project album, so I think it gets a pass

>>128071042
No, but the Mother 2 / Earthbound soundtrack is (sometimes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7vmukGvMpA

bumper

>>128071042
I love Pollyanna even though I can't hear it without thinking of chibi's "funeral" for Iwata

>>128067791
people in general don't like it for some reason. weird since it's so good. any albums that sound like it anyone? I found it pretty unique, it doesn't even have a proper genre since it's just a mix of various things

>>128076982
>people in general don't like it for some reason
That's crazy to me. There's definitely some camp in there, but the music is all really good. Genre is a mix of space-rock, psych-folk and prog, nothing too out there.

>>128077522
based
Team Spirit is one of his best songs

>>128067869
That's more than double the cost of floor seats when I saw them 10 years ago

>>128077898
I guess they became twice as good sone then

Does /prog/ like prog soul?
>RIP D'Angelo

>>128078482
Terry Callier is pretty based.

I've listened to every major prog band and I don't know where to go from here

Playing around with frippertronics

>>128079531
What do you consider all the major ones to be?

>>128080201
Meat Loaf, Blue Oyster Cult, Queen... the list goes on...

What are some good prog rock songs for sex?

>>128081595
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7Eo3Bw2qLeI

>>128081595
Magma - MDK

>>128081595
Moonchild

>>128081595
Cinema Show

>>128081595
Providence.
I pull out and silently walk away leave her apartment as the song fades out.

>>128081595
Shine On You Crazy Diamond

Enjoy some prog Québécois.

>>128083090
kino
>>128083456
based band, based taste

>>128083456
Listening to some Opus 5 right now.

/prog/? more like /preg/
Post preg rock

>>128084686
i'm going to throw up

>>128077898
lol. yup. 61 years old vs 73. $100 vs $300. I'm happy they're touring for a new generation of fans who never got the chance to see them live. But I shan't be going.

>>128084686
Lol I was just going to post that as well.

>>128058556
They're standing on the shoulders of giants and exploration from there. Not to mention as rock gained traction, it seeped into more categories of people with access to higher education. It's not just people pushing the envelope on the blues rock they were raised on anymore, more people from varying musical backgrounds, and access to to better teaching let rock grow on a technical and compositional level by blending in what they knew from classical and world music.

It's basically just that prog is for fucking nerds and that lends itself well to having the musicians practice for technicality.

I enjoy ELP.

>>128084866
what were those nerds playing before? some of them came from jazz backgrounds, why weren't they making jazz?

>>128084878
they aight

>>128084878
you're telling it like it is

>>128084884
Jazz still had it's own nerds at the same time, if I had to say it was just that the musicians that went into prog were just chasing something that was radically different to what they got from jazz. Not to mention both multi-track recording and use of electric instruments had been popularized and were heavily evolving by the 60's, which drains off into more things for the most autistic ones to experiment with. They've basically been handed a whole new set of toys, and jazz just wasn't their impulses were headed towards. Or maybe it was just the good drugs?

bump

VdGG has ruined 99% of other prog acts for me.

>>128056061 (OP)
George Floyd isn't Prog Rock he is Psychedelic

>>128084878
Didn't realize that was a controversial opinion

Currently listening to Banco

>>128081595
La conquista della posizione eretta

>>128088445
>>128088923
Listened to their first three yesterday. I actually enjoyed 'Io sono nato libero' more than the classic Darwin. Should I keep looking into their stuff? The next two albums were a movie soundtrack and an English language album of some of their songs so I just quit at that point.

>>128058556
Scaruffi talked about this phenomenon in Italy, but I imagine that it holds true for the UK, France, or wherever else in Europe that prog really took off. Essentially there was a growing middle class after the second World War and many families put heir children into classical music, because that's what the nouveau riche think wealthy people do.

>>128089289
their first three albums are all you need tbqh
>'Io sono nato libero'
great album, I like Darwin a bit more, but this is also incredible
Italians are so sensible, they do melancholic prog better than anyone else

prog rock songs with this feeling

Post prog albums with medieval themes.

>>128058556

I think musicians with jazz/classical aptitude were always there, but danceable rock was where the money was until '67 or so. Tastes evolved quickly and demand grew for 'interesting' music after a few successful examples (Bruford has cited Sgt. Pepper as the most important one).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32C1Lrjc_3U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hblfCinmqI

>>128090102
niggers incorporated 2

>>128056061 (OP)
are the 2 prog rock bands here:
>King Crimson
&
>Rush
?????
No One Else is Prog here.

>>128090283
Pink Floyd is objectively more prog than Rush and the only reason anyone would say otherwise is if they're obsessed with technical virtuosity over actual progressive experimentation in rock music

>>128090283
Correct.
>>128090314
They're elevator music.

>>128088190
ELP is like buttrock to a lot of prog fans

>>128090379
I think opinion has shifted on this. It was more of a leftover meme from elitist "music critics" in the late 70s to shill shitty punk bands. I personally would rather listen to Emerson riffing on Mussorgsky than retarded people banging their guitars around and playing power chords.

Steve Hack

Steve How

>>128066176
Jazz is not prog.

>>128090314
Rush deviated from the typical binary song form as frequently as Pink Floyd. They just didn't write such long compositions, although many fit more ideas and structure into shorter songs than Pink Floyd's more interminable efforts. The chart's biggest error is equating mere length or 'concept albums' with formal invention.

>>128091455
>Rush deviated from the typical binary song form as frequently as Pink Floyd.
Just stop, you don't know what you're talking about at all

>>128090424
ELP can be good sometimes but it’s embarrassing being caught listening to them

>>128091455
Rush are a power trio

>>128091537
just don't get caught lol

>>128091232
Soft Machine has way more prog than jazz so I guess you're in luck

>>128066837
Red

>>128078482
Prog rock, prog soul and prog big band are all based as far as I'm concerned

England is clearly the best country for prog bands, but who is second? France? Argentina?

>>128090358
>They're elevator music
Rush? Yeah, I agree

>>128091455
Schizo take, the average Rush album is basically just a list of generic boomer pop rock with a few occasional stand-out tracks here and there where they actually put their technical skills to good use. I think they obviously count as prog too, but I don't buy this "they were as creative as PF and just put more ideas into a more conventional" structure bullshit.

>>128084878
I mean, duh

>>128091731
Italy, then Germany

>>128091731
>>128091994
Seconding Italy as the almost undisputed second place. Germany might come third if you want to count krautrock as proggy.

>>128091731
1. England
2. Italy
3. ???

3rd is probably a toss-up between Canada or France. France has zeuhl and all of these avant-prog bands but doesn't really have a notable regular prog rock scene outside of that. Canada has Rush (lol), Quebecois prog, and its hugely influential prog metal scene.

>>128091731
Japan

>>128092709
Good shit, thanks for the recc anon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yBdwJg5qrs

>>128071042
this is a pretty cool album but the vocals are kind of shitty sometimes. shoutouts to the composer doing a remake of the album during COVID which flew under everyone's radar, he sings every song himself and makes the entire thing sound like shit

>>128094257
Check out picrel if you want more glorious nippon prog folded over 1000 times

>>128066253
With better production that song would be a classic.

>>128090242
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JUCsb7HXqM

>>128058556
chemicals in the water made kids autistic

Well, are they prog?

>>128091731
1. England
2. Italy
3. Germany
4. France
5. Canada
Are probably the biggest prog scenes.

After that I think Sweden is quite good. They had quite a few great ones in the 70s with Älgarnas Trädgård, Samla Mammas Manna and Trettioåriga kriget. Then their more modern groups are probably some of the best out there with Änglagård, Anekdoten and Morte Macabre.

>>128097372
Ohh and Agusa as well for the modern groups.

>>128066837
Starless and Bible Blacked

Is Fripp the most autistic person in prog?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3dicKNdKa8

>>128097991
How about studying pencils as a hobby
https://contrapuntalism.wordpress.com/

Who's excited?!

>>128091842
You didn't read the post. What I said is that they often didn't put their ideas into conventional structures, at least during their peak period. Up till and including 2112 they were guilty of stitching together songs to make 'long songs', which is to be fair true of many other prog bands. But even a popular pick like YYZ isn't a 'song without words', and still less merely extended soloing, but rather a structured instrumental work with distinct recurring sections and a central apotheosis, even if it's not as long as most Pink Floyd songs. More sustained instrumental efforts like La Villa Strangiato could even less be called songlike even as they retain formal structure. Others like Xanadu certainly enclose a more songlike structure within an introduction and outro, but the long and lyrical melody that constitutes the refrain is very atypical for popular music.

Of course, Pink Floyd did write inventive instrumental suites on e.g. Atom Heart Mother and projected atypical long form structures (I find Dogs particularly successful). But I don't find the pleasant but soporific songs like Echoes to be any more convincing as a long form musical structure than Rush's stitched up series of songs like 2112 or Fountain of Lamneth.

>>128097991
probably vander

>non-verbal as a kid, couldn't even speak until his teens
>donates a chunk of Magma's money to some autism foundation

>>128091731
Italy or Sweden.

Is In The Garden of Eden by I.Ron Butterfly prog?

>>128097991
it's not just that he's autistic, it's the sort of autism that he has
Vander is autistic as well, as someone pointed out, but he's almost charming in how odd and strange he is
there's something deeply interesting about a man who'd make up a whole mithology and language to go with his very strange music
fripp made brilliant music, but doesn't seem like such an interesting person
putting it in school terms:
Vander is that weird kid with retard rage that dressed like sonic and was funny to watch
Fripp was that lame kid who'd get mad and call the teacher if you sat on his favorite desk

>>128102730
protoprog maybe

>>128056061 (OP)
I don't like The Beatles.

>>128104485
All your favorite prog musicians love and respect the Beatles

>>128104542
Good so I don't have to

>>128097991
I hate Fripp so much bros

>>128097328
lol (creme)

>>128104485
I don't like the Beatles either
Here comes the sun taratara ta thats their only good song from top of my head. I vaguely remember Helter Skelter being ok.

I like the beatles :D

>>128104542
All musicians say the same thing to please everyone.

>>128104799
I just learned that Charles Manson the sociopathic cult leader thought that Helter Skelter was a psyop song

>>128104542
the guys at magma didn't like the beatles and made it clear in the early 70s that they hated british rock music

>>128104951
That's just because they were French

>>128104542
Fripp said the thing that inspired him to make music was when he heard for the first time "a day in the life"
Im sorry fripp, but what? Good vibrations is better

>>128104951
imagine caring about the opinions of edgy autistic frenchies

>>128105137
the only artists inspired by the beach boys were the beatles
nobody really gave a shit about CIA-funded barbershop music before Paul praised it

>>128104951
>>128104969
nigga im not reading all that, mucho texto.
the art is cool though. Very Conanlike

>>128106057
nigger it's in kobaian
it's not readable

Are you autistic enough to wear that huge medallion in public?

any spooky /prog/ albums for the season?
https://youtu.be/hK3oCzevZQk

>>128106057
they look nothing alike retard

>>128108430
you can get away with it if you're handsome

>>128108630
>doom metal band breaks up and reforms as a prog rock band
It's great

>>128104485
Cringe Whore poster
>>128104799
Based Psycho Angel poster

>>128108430
Crazy drip

Does /prog/ like wonderful christmastime?

>>128110550
Wizzard did Christmas better

>>128108630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=295w0Q1IX-8&t=43s

reminder that the Beatles were all close friends with this thing

>>128113182
>successful band takes a backstage pic with the top of the pops guy
omg what monsters!

>>128108630
My personal favourite.

>>128056124
Go back in time 40 years and King Crimson occupies that space.

>>128056061 (OP)
>skill purist
>form purist
This confirms technical Death Metal as prog.

>>128104727
Lols cremes and memes (formerly godleys)

THUS QUOTH THE RAVEN
NEVERMOOOOOORE

Oceansize are reissuing their final album with a few new tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lixFe1AaiY8

>>128108630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbZH8boFoJg

>>128114193
Tech death can be considered prog metal, considering that it emerged from prog death in the early 90s

>>128114830
fripp's ambient work gets boring very quickly
>inb4 some enofag pisses his pants
some of that is good, not all of it though. i'm more referring to the handful of ambient albums fripp did himself

>>128106065
A lot of it is actually phonetically french but it’s a slog to read

>>128116011
I thought some of the Frippertronics stuff here was interesting. Ambient and prog electronic artists all have that problem I think. Steve Roach is like my favorite and a huge amount of his albums are boring and samey. It's also really easy to produce that kind of stuff so I think it runs into quality control issues a bigger production wouldn't have.

>>128116011
fripp has an unique style, but is not a very creative man
he's been able to blend in well and produce a great amount of music in styles that other, more creative people, created and ventured in
at every incarnation of his band, he sat next to very skilled musicians who'd venture into different directions musically, and he'd pretty much just do his thing
no wonder he's the most consistent member of KC, he's the only one who never did anything different
it might have to do with his autism, though

bump

>>128056061 (OP)
>>128056407
>Only 2 of those bands are prog.
>>128056438
>I also love Limp Bizkit and Smash Mouth
Strangely enough, Limp bizkit actually has at least 1 or 2 'form purist' songs.

Endless Slaughter:
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=QA4nW7y7ois


Everything:
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=zdr7wBlbbs0

The latter is about 16 minutes long.

>>128056061 (OP)
what makes beatles fit in the skill rebel category?

>6 million Jews
What did he mean by this?

>>128119678
He ate them

>>128117392
it's true, Fripp is not only an ugly autistic manlet with no social skills, he's also completely devoid of creativity and ultimately dependent on the talent of better artists

>ctrl+f "beatles"
>10 results
Can you faggots go talk about your shitty boy band in one of the 1000 John Lennon/granny music threads that get made on this horrible shithole board every day?

>>128117221
>FUCKING GAY GNOME RAPE
Is this a reference to an actual prog song?

>>128119928
Maybe he is talking about Radio Gnome or possibly that song from Piper?

>>128119944
i dont see anything about rapey gnomes in radio gnome? or am i missing something

>>128121392
It's implied.

>>128119828
No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAkePLeDsUY

>>128117221
avatarfags should be mutilated

>>128119944
I doubt he’s familiar with Gong or has much knowledge beyond a couple of mainstream prog bands, at least based on his "criticisms" of prog, which only apply to like 2 or 3 of the most mainstream prog bands.

>>128119678
is elp worth listening after bss or can I safely stop there?
this and welcome back my friends are the only things ive enjoyed from them from start to finish

>>128122278
did you listen to the live album "Welcome Back My Friends to the Show", BSS is really their only great studio album period.

>>128122278
>this and welcome back my friends are the only things ive enjoyed from them from start to finish
oops i didn't read that part

>>128119828
You're right. We should talk about George Martin instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LNKldwf4aM

>>128116687
ambient is easy to make, but good ambient is hard to
this album was pretty cool though. i think when fripp is soloing with that really grainy tone it's great, and it's just cool to imagine what weird setup eno and fripp were rocking at the time. but some of fripp's recently rereleased live ambient performances and some of his actual ambient albums are really poor, especially for fripp. swear to god one album is literally just him fucking with a looper pedal and not changing anything, but then i guess you could say that's trve ambient

why don't you guys talk about progressive metal

>>128122629
because it's not prog

>>128122629
Lykathea Aflame is the only good prog metal band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYOX-W3Jri4

>>128122629
probably for the same reason why people love asking that question

>>128122278
Listen to them at least once so you can create an actually informed opinion.

>>128122899
I don't want an informed opinion, I want a correct opinion

>>128122278
>is elp sign listening
No

>>128116806
God, I fucking love the pig-flying-over-factory album so much

>>128116806
discussing pink floyd on /mu/ is more like anon's going "uhm actually I like syd barret floyd more!!!" for 300 replies

>>128116806
uhm actually I like syd barret floyd more!!!

>>128116806
what the fuck does this mean? what does it mean???

>>128126131
Piper is actually one of the most overrated psych albums. Although I think the album's good, that sound was just not going to be sustainable, and Syd Barrett was not going to take a leap into anything more substantial. Besides, he's mogged by Soft Machine and Kevin Ayers any day of the week.

>>128126496
>Besides, he's mogged by Soft Machine and Kevin Ayers any day of the week.
they're nothing alike wtf
and of course they're mogged
Soft Machine and VDGG are the greatest prog acts of all time, with only 70s KC coming close

Have a Cigar has to be the best accessible pop-prog song ever made, it fucks so hard

>>128122629
Because it attracts retards who only want to talk about DT and Tool.

>>128122629
Have you ever heard about these bands called Dream Theater and Tool? Honestly, I kinda wanna talk about them all day desu

Don't get me wrong lads, the Great Deceiver boxset is full of fantastic material. Compared to the initial pre-Larks tour of the full five-man line-up, the material and playing is much more focused and refined.
But I think Jamie Muir brought a real x-factor to that incarnation of King Crimson. His influence shows strongly in stand-out tracks like Larks Pt1 and The Talking Drum on the album itself, but for my (easy) money the improvisations the group did in this incubatory period are some of the best work they've ever put out.

I would say The Rich Tapestry of Life from the 1972 Beat Club performance is perhaps the single best thing they've done--You can hear a strong inspiration from the avant jazz scene at the time, including Miles Davis' early 70s electric work. Also David Cross on flute ~18 minutes in makes it a wholly unique recording for the era.
The Newcastle performance from later that year is also quite good. Improv 1 has an upbeat sound more comparable to the earlier Crimson incarnations, but Improv 2 in particular is the single greatest evidence of Jamie Muir's contribution to the group. A sparse, primarily-percussion piece that's very comparable to his earlier work with The Music Improvisation Company. Not everyone's cup of tea, but if you're interested in Muir's innovative "found sound" percussive approach it's a very enjoyable listen.

/blog or whatever...

Ladies of the Road (Live 1971-1972)

>>128122629
We like prog metal but not Dream Theater

>>128129567
This was better than I expected it to be. Coroner is so good.

>>128129449
>46 minute bonus disc that's just jamming on 21st century schizoid man
utterly based

>>128084388
Thank you Anon, felt serene as i harassed women online

>>128114754
APP generally was that bitch

what makes mathrock prog?
I know it uses unconventional time signatures but it all sounds like pop or punk to me

>>128128396
probably the best answer

>>128131230
only women think harassment exists on the internet

>>128131278
>what makes mathrock prog?
Not much
>it all sounds like pop or punk to me
It is

>>128128816
I assume you mean the fusion scene and not the avant scene, Miles famously disliked avant-garde jazz and never really incorporated it into his music, though I'm sure many RYM and wikipedia articles ignorant of the history would disagree with the facts.

>>128131278
Math rock isn't prog.
It's influenced by prog but that's about it.

There ARE math rock groups that are simultaneously also prog, but that's about it, but a lot of these groups are also labeled brutal prog.

>>128108630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARus_-poevk

>>128131902
>what is post-bop

>>128058556
you are mistakenly assuming prog was led strictly from within the classic rock scene
>rock becomes ubiquitously popular
>conservatory kids grow up in an environment where they are routinely exposed to grug playing rock songs
>come of age
>"wait we could do a lot better with that"

Every band needs their Ringo...

Currently enjoying some Moving Gelatine Plates