Thread 128086260

>thing
>japanese thing

>>128086260 (OP)
Do normalvermin seriously think a Japanese chord means 7th or anything more than a triad?

>>128086260 (OP)
Just say jazz chords. Maj7 chords aren’t a Japanese thing

>>128086359
Math rock is gay, but mathcore is based

>>128086260 (OP)
dumbasses online be like
>LE EPIC MATH ROCK
and it's just midwest emo in 4/4 with an overplaying drummer

>>128086260 (OP)
Math Rock is BAYZED and I LOVE IT SO MUCH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-YDhSU4OwI&list=PLeEMtUE622AzX1q3-LQZt-Horxsf9-U8z&index=3

Isn't the thing that makes Japanese music so distinct is their use of jazz chords? Not fucking math rock.

>>128086802
>overplaying drummer
I feel attacked.

>>128086918
no diss bro I love an overplayer, but dummies confuse an active drummer with the band being math rock somehow

>>128086960
Thanks, bro. I feel better now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTz9aVsBKbQ

>>128086260 (OP)
Do rockfags just not know how chords work? Also, these aren't even identical chord identities and aren't interchangeable in every context.

>>128087053
This is purely antidotal but half the rock guitarists I’ve met don’t know anything about music theory and just play by ear .

>>128086892
yes Japanese Math Rock is more jazzy

>>128086260 (OP)
me when i put some math rock
BLAM BLAM BLaaaaaam blsfsahhafhashashha

>>128087148
I just don't get how you can play music and yet be so fundamentally incurious that you don't ever learn how chords are constructed and function.

>>128087384
can't remember who it was, but I saw a clip of an interview of some boomer guitarist say he never learned theory because he worried the "magic" of music-making might be lost.

>bro check out this math rock chord
>it's a triad

why does math rock sound so fucking good?

>>128087444
it's made by mathematicians (smart people)

>>128087448
>mathematicans
>smart
nice try, no its not because of any of that and its not made by mathematicians thankfully. Its because its removing excess notes that repeat like for example 2 Cs , 2 Es etc it removes things that muddy your sound. Just sticks to fundamentals and good tuning as a result its easy to play but also has a fuck ton of depth and it sounds better the more guitars you add to it, 3 guitar math rock bands rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMxtgSliWbY

>>128087481
>Its because its removing excess notes that repeat like for example 2 Cs , 2 Es etc it removes things that muddy your sound
those mathematicians really are smart, huh

>>128087384
They like twirling their hands and make twang twang sounds not sitting down writing symbols and doing math, it's perfectly understandable

>>128087490
>doing math
you make it sound so reddit
its just a basic sum, subtraction, multiplication, division bs you can do with a simple ass casio watch calculator or in your phone.

Anyone can do it just remove the excess of repeated tunes, stick to whats simple and already sounds good on its own let the tuning do most of the hard carry and just add more guitar so you can do harmonies with.

>>128087148
>>128087384
Because it's the most pleb instrument. Low investment financially and technically to get it running. Learning violin or acoustic piano on the other hand, assuming family doesn't have one lying around, parents would have to spend more and would think of investing on a tutor as well.
>t. pleb guitarist

>>128087399
This might change 20 years later on when the zoomer and alpha generation who have been raised with the internet are interviewed and look back to their youtube learning years. Lots of young technical monsters have been coming up, the real litmus test would be if they can play it live..

Its clickbait to get more views, we don't need to have a thread on it

>>128086275
It's that barre patterns are always taught instead of chords that are arranged root to seven pitchwise. When I was first learning I didn't know why guitar music sounded so 'wrong' compared to chords played on keys until I learned that the intervals were stacked in odd ways or out of order to fit the hand. Anyway muh Japan is retarded but the spirit of teaching the difference is an important one if you're either retarded or have to cobble together instruction from youtube.

>>128086573
>Just say jazz chords
You're doing the same thing that guy is doing, just last centuries version.
Reminder classical music did this all first

>>128087384
i played guitar for a while and took lessons from a guy, but he never bothered to teach me anything about notes or theory, just technique, when i said i wanted to understand it all he thought it was weird and unnessecary, its just a metal/rock thing to play by ear. i got the impression that "music theory" is what you learn as a kid from rich parents who gets taught piano at age 5 with sheet music. you have to seek it out yourself otherwise and then it all seems redundant or convoluted, the information overload because of oversaturation and clickbait on the internet is also daunting.

>>128086275
There's retards in the west that call anything more than a triad "jazz chords" so you can't criticize normies for calling them jap chords.
>"b-b--but that's different..."
No it's not.
>>128088449
I learned closed voicings when I was taught guitar. The other vocings are not wrong or worse. Learning how chords are constructed and about chord voicing teachs you all this and more.

>>128088819
>it all seems redundant or convoluted
>"The first chord in the C major scale is C major"
"Oh my god, this is so redundant, I'm not learning anything"
>The second chord in the C major scale is D minor
"What? Why? This is so convoluted, I'm lost. This is for uber nerds, who could possibly learn this"
The retards' mantra

>>128086275
>>128091154
>>128086892
>>128086573
>>128088794
>>128086802
That's just how associations develop. Most people hear this type of harmony when they listen to anime OPs and just associate it with Japan. Jazz music hasn't been in the zeitgeist for at least 2 generations and (sadly) most people these days don't really listen to classical music. If you want normies to unlearn this association, get off your ass and make some music yourself and hope it gets popular.

>>128086892
Sometimes yes, a lot of japanese soul and pop uses rhythms and harmonies from jazz since the country used to be obsessed with big band and bebop
>>128087190
Only marginally, they're still playing 7ths in tonalities and rhythms divorced from jazz conventions 99% of the time like most math rock

>>128086275
literally yes. boomers used to think 7th chords were inherently jazz, now zoomer weebs are just slightly changing the goalposts to fit their own taste
>>128086573
>just say jazz chords
only say this if you want people to think you're an ignorant retard behind your back
>>128086802
actually good post kek

>>128091337
>just be the next Miles Davis or Chopin and hope you make it bro
Don't you think you're asking a bit much?

>>128086883
Your puberty hormones are showing.

>>128091675
Would you settle for the next John Field or Sonny Clark?

>>128088819
Playing by ear does not prevent you from understanding how chords are formed and basic voice leading.

>>128091715
>OMG HE IS HAPPY AND ENERGETIC HE MUST BE A TEEN I HATE PEOPLE THAT ENJOY THINGS
I'm 28
im just high T

>>128086260 (OP)
japs literally improve all genres of music.
even creepy nuts broke the curse of jap-hop

>>128091898
>im just high T

>>128087148
>antidotal

nothing tops The Fall of Troy when it comes to math rock.

>>128088819
>its just a metal/rock thing to play by ear
yeah that's not true lol. your "teacher" had skill issues and was too pussy to admit it.

>>128091898
>im just high T
you can be high T and not type like a little girl you know

>>128093361
fall of troy is post hardcore, bands like mouse on the keys are math rock

https://youtu.be/84fbU39V0Ko

>>128086260 (OP)
Western music has never recovered from abandoning jazz harmony

>>128088794
Major 7th intervals and chords are considered dissonant and were not used how we use them today

>>128091898
>im just high T
if you were, you wouldn't have mentioned it

>>128091337
Jazz fusion was a huge influence on anime/videogame music. Modern "Japanese" harmony is basically American jazz harmony.

>>128086802
>try to use search what the fuck is midwest emo
>gemini returns this
Did we ruin internet or was it inevitable?

>>128097666
How have you never heard of Midwest emo before?

>>128097666
I didn't create AI algorithms, but music fans have bastardized what math rock/midwest emo is. Often the two get confused sorta like dream pop/shoegaze. Midwest emo is just emo with more notes and worse singing to compensate. Math rock should be devoid of lyrics/vocals if possible.

>>128087198
>George Floyd on the thumbnail
holy shit kek

>>128093811
>math rock
>no guitar or electric bass

>>128086260 (OP)
CONTROVERSIAL OPINION
but i think Math Rock has the best guitar lines

All of you retards need to learn music theory

>>128086260 (OP)
i really like that channel but that thumbnail made me think exactly the same thing lol. it's all just clickbait though.

>>128087148
>>128087384
personally, i blame the prevalence of tabs. it fundamentally makes you just mimic and not make the slightest effort to know what you're playing.

That "japansse C" is a Cmaj7. So? It sound more somber and jazzy.

I can already tell the guy who made this video is a moron

>maj7 chords
>math rock

lol

>>128104876
What is your green text implying? Some math roth does use extensions like 7ths and 9ths especially in tapping and riffs

>>128086260 (OP)
Anyone else remember that gay ass japanese guitarist guy whose entire gimmick is playing those stupid fucking arpeggios ?

>>128106776
Yvette Young?

Yeah, I hated every song youtube would force my way with Ichika Nito. Haven't seen it pushed to me in a few years

>>128095104
Almost all "japanese jazz" is just American jazz played by Japanese musicians. Japanese bebop, big band, modal, post-bob and fusion were 99% copying the tonality, harmony, rhythms and licks of American cats. Bud Powell's voicings alone explain over 10% of Japanese styles, that's how obsessed they were with jazz back then.

>>128091898
it's not your energy that's the problem, it's that i can tell you typed that out with one hand, probably dirty and smelly too

>>128106949
yvette young is a woman and iirc is half chinese, not japanese. she's really good though, i like her music a lot. i think that anon was talking about ichika nito or seiji igusa, possibly ichika.

>>128107370 (me)
damn i'm stupid, you already mentioned ichika in your post.

>>128106949
>Ichika Nito
that guy

>>128086260 (OP)
Math Rock is Kino and im tired of pretending its not
and it does sound clean

>>128107435
i get why people would be sick of his pretentious noodling, but i saw him as a guest musician for a midnight grand orchestra concert --since the composer for that techno j-pop-ish music loves going crazy with some riffs and solos that he programs on a DAW, so ichika is actually able to pull them off-- and he was great. also when he's not just mindlessly playing super ultra fucking compressed arpeggios at 200bpm he makes pretty nice music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4OcV_ESxZ8

>>128107487
same, it's a very nice middle ground between the easy listening of rock/j-rock and the more complex elements of prog rock.

>>128107549
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4OcV_ESxZ8
This is dogshit. Cheesy, tropey stock music smooth jazz for zoomers/youtube watchers

>>128107630
It's not dogshit. It's firmly in the 'it's okay' realm, but coming off of his playing 100000000 notes a second with NO FEEL, it will seem like a breath of fresh air. But also that's him being in a band that wasn't even his own idea so he's being tamed deliberately there.

>>128107663
No, it's absolutely insipid and trend chasing. There are a million songs that sound like that

>>128107712
A million 'they're okay' songs don't make them any less or more okay. That's why they're just okay.

>>128107487
erm kino means cinema. how can music be cinema?

>>128107773
anything can be kino if you want it to.

>>128107773
kino when related to media (all media now) means good and cringe means bad. Thats all you have to know. Kino is becoming like an alternative "Based" but for media.

>>128087384
Because you are soulless

>>128088819
Based teacher

>>128107726
>A million 'they're okay' songs don't make them any less or more okay
Actually it does. The more things there are like it make it worse and more disposable. Life is too short to listen to dogshit music. You seem to have no discerning taste in quality so your opinion means nothing on this subject.

>>128108094
It's not that deep, you wannabe psychologist. Me saying an okay pop jazz song is okay doesn't mean I would waste my time experiencing it again; the experience was pleasant and it didn't bother me or bore me, but I wouldn't do it again. It's like a salesman at the mall spraying some random perfume sample on your wrist, it smells nice but I won't buy it. Certainly better than smelling shit.

>>128108094
>Life is too short to listen to dogshit music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUbS6UjkfBM

>>128107549
sounds like generic anime music but updated for the lo-fi beats automatons

>>128108667
>It's not that deep
Stopped reading

>>128086260 (OP)
Wtf is even the point of this thread. Who cares about classifying music into hyper-specific genres you absolute autists.

I didn't know Japanese math rock was a thing, but now I know that it is and it sucks. It doesn't even rock. It's just jazzy chords with blamd timbres without any swing whatsoever. Also it infuriates me how they repeat their retarded measures 3 or 4 times

>>128109608
>proving him right

>>128111058
>I didn't know Japanese math rock was a thing,
It's some of the only good new music being made in the past 15 years

>>128086260 (OP)
>normal C
>a barre chord
Lol no, that's not a normal C.

>>128086260 (OP)
i luv mathrock, simple as

>>128087384
I know some music theory but I don't want to be thinking about it when I am writing something, only when I want to substitute a chord or change key or something like that. I try to focus on the sound and the vibe of the thing. But for building up an arrangement some understanding of music theory (for lack of a better term) helps.

>>128086260 (OP)
>japanese people do something
>call it 'math'
bit racist innit

>>128116499
btw i think your joke was funny im the chink poster >>128116508