Thread 128133407

Neurotic edition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uJ3AW4gxyQ&list=OLAK5uy_nnHllF8EXNGfCgfdbqVa7Lq5_VcCGYYSY&index=1

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>128120140

Talent Isn't Rare. Intelligence Is.

>>128133499
word salad.

>>128133499
Both are rare.

>>128133499
And neither is nearly as important as drive

>intelligence and talent are less important than a mediocre action movie
okay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgenHJUoZQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk3CXw2Q16A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAVOB4OTVoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NBataLDUgc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCi9haciGU8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM75S7S2zmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqCyJenmKIo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h21Jk1rfC8c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9mYRJpyXpU

Scriabi's Diner

Scriabin's Piano Concerto is so good, why is it so underrated?

>>128133716
Because it ain't good.

>>128133746
well i like it

>>128133753
No you don't.

>>128133767
really? i thought i did, what do i like?

>>128133407 (OP)
Need some recs anon, on two fronts:
>general recs
I love Baroque music, especially Vivaldi (literally everything he ever did), Bach (The Art of Fugue is great), Handel (Op. 6 especially) and recently Telemann and Monteverdi. Any other hidden treasure composers I should check out or even other periods?
>opera
I like some of Bach's oratorios and I'm listening to (and loving) Monteverdi's madrigals so I didn't think opera would be that difficult to get into but it just will not click for me. Dido and Aeneas did nothing for me so I'm not sure where else to go.

We've had list of the greatest melodists (>>128120176), now we have The 15 Greatest Symphonic Orchestrators of All Time:

Haydn
Mozart
Mendelssohn
Berlioz
Rimsky-Korsakov
Ravel
Tchaikovsky
Saint-Saëns
Dvořák
Respighi
Sibelius
R. Strauss
Stravinsky
Korngold
Mahler

>>128133620
and Drive-In and Dive?

>>128133775
Zelenka
Corelli
Scarlatti
Lully
Couperin

>>128133792
https://youtu.be/1XY-dFRzLPM?si=f4SSdUUct77JD3_o

>>128133792
>>128133809
no one cares
>>128133716
It's pretty much eclipsed by what he did afterwards, kind of like his first symphony. It's still an excellent concerto. Certainly better than any of Rachmaninoff's for exmaple

>>128133815
i like Scriabin's later stuff too especially Op. 54 & Op. 60 and also Rachmaninov's Concertos (his Concerto No.3 is my favorite piano concerto), i always skipped Scriabin's concerto because it was an earlier work, but that was a mistake.

>>128133815
>Certainly better than any of Rachmaninoff's for exmaple
rofl. certainly not.

>>128133859
We've been through this and have agreed that you're entitled to your wrong opinions

Mozart is overrated trash

>>128133873
Certainly, we've been through this and established Rachmaninoff's concertos are the gold standard.

>>128133901
Further proof that Mozart is underrated

>>128133908
>>128133873
you're both wrong

>>128133908
>Rachmaninoff's concertos are the gold standard
For tween pop music, yes, I absolutely agree
>>128133916
No, no no. Sorry.

>>128133580
Impressively bad

>>128133908
You are correct.

>>128133926
imagine being so easily impressed

>>128133775
>I love Baroque music, especially Vivaldi (literally everything he ever did)
I'll bet you haven't listened to his chamber concertos yet. My assumption is based on the fact that they're never mentioned anywhere by anyone, but they're amazing, very diverse and colorful. Check pic related if you haven't already.
>>128133806
Don't forget Rameau.

>>128133953
>(You)

>>128133806
>Couperin
which one

>>128133986
Nta but both, also both Scarlattis.

>>128133908
You are wrong.

>>128133908
yes, this is correct

>>128133996
>both

>>128134032
You are wrong.
>>128134029
yes, this is correct

>>128134089
wrong
>>128134032
correct

Medtner - Piano Concerto No. 2

>>128134097
wrong
>>128134107
correct

>>128134144
>correct
yes
>wrong
You aren't not incorrect in no way, never not being not wrong

>>128133908
Absolutely.

>>128134217
Absolutely wrong

Scriabin vs Rachmaninov
who would win in a boxing match?

>>128134243
Rach has reach and probably hits harder but Scriabin is impervious to pain and also insane so my money's on him

>>128134243
Rachmaninoff was 6'6

>>128134264
Tall people don't have an inherent advantage in boxing. You'd know this if you weren't an effeminate shut-in

>>128134271
Yeah and the moon is made of cheese, you'd know this if you weren't an effeminate shut-in.

>>128134279
>the moon is made of cheese
it is?

>>128134283
effeminate shut-in detected

Had a dream I was playing an adaptation of Scriabin's 10th on electric guitar with the opening played with really crazy effects and really heavy white noise sounding fuzz and such and later parts were played on classical guitar

>>128134290
i'm 4'9"

>>128133775
Marin Marais and Sainte-Colombe. Also the Couperins

>>128134298
I apologise and shall correct myself: Effeminate shut-in manlet detected.

>>128134313
i'm a girl

>>128134291
I'm sorry, anon

>>128134324
>i'm a girl
doesn't get any more effeminate manlet than that

>>128134324
I will make you my boywife.

>>128134324
show bobs

/classical/ has fallen. billions must die.
what a terrible thread.

>>128134341
show bobs

Billions must listen to Bach and Ives.

>>128134341
So long as you die first, I'm in

>>128134347
>Ives

>>128133775
Also check the opera euridice by caccini and tarquino merula

Baroque is amazing and there are a ton of underrated composers but i insist above all on marin marais. I could also have mentioned giacomo cervetto

>>128133792
Hmm, going name by name, makes sense I suppose.

>>128134583
>>128134583
yeah that list IS extremely safe and milquetoast, you're right

Anyone here like Ives' Concord Sonata?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lp-NdkWPMw

>As to the Ives, frankly, I agree with Lawrence Gilman's reaction when he heard the première by John Kirkpatrick of the 'Concord' Sonata in 1938: 'This sonata is exceptionally great music--it is, indeed, the greatest music composed by an American, and the most deeply and essentially American in impulse and implication.'

>>128134616
>Ives

>>128134065
I mean, there's only two relevant ones.

>>128134660
Armand-Lous and Pierre-Louis then

>>128134616
>the greatest music composed by an American, and the most deeply and essentially American in impulse and implication.'
ameribros I'm so sorry

Mozart's string quintets are underrated among his compositions, especially the first one

>>128134687
Further proof that Mozart is underrated

>>128134687
>>128134693
>one of the most famous comosers
>underrated

>>128134723
Further proof that Mozart is underrated

>>128134723
he means underrated by terminally online contrarians

>>128134723
>comosers

>>128134734
It seems you don't know the meaning of either 'proof' or 'underrated'.

>>128134764
Further proof that Mozart is underrated

>>128134768
Further proof you don't understand the meaning of 'proof' and 'underrated'

>>128134723
>>128134764
Relax, "Mozart is underrated" is both valid and a meme. Valid because most people on the internet view Mozart in a "he's good but..." aka recognizing his talent and value, but not holding the same personal love as they do for other composers. So it's become a bit of a (true) meme to say Mozart is underrated. Anyway, chill.

>>128134792
Further proof that Mozart is underrated

>>128134800
>aka recognizing his talent and value, but not holding the same personal love as they do for other composers.
>aka recognizing his talent and value
That is, by the very fucking definition, NOT underrated. So it is both invalid and a shit meme. kys.

>>128134829
Further proof that Mozart is underrated

>>128134829
I should say, recognizing some of his value in a dispassionate, half-hearted way. Like "yeah, yeah, he's one of the greats, but I don't actually listen to him, so in my heart I don't think he's that good anymore." Anyway stop taking it so seriously.

>>128134856
>recognizing some of his value in a dispassionate, half-hearted way.
No. It is simply recognizing his value, you don't need to twist your own words now. Mozart is anything but underrated.

>>128134906
Further proof that Mozart is underrated

>>128134723
>>128134764
>>128134792
>>128134829
>>128134906
Can you PLEASE stop underrating Mozart? It's frankly embarrassing.

I don't listen to mozart. There. That's the tweet. *Mic drop*

now playing

start of Schumann: Davidsbündlertänze, Op. 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_4XjRwGGCo&list=OLAK5uy_k0ERqIkjY-hcX6nggs1Pi7ubP4RS_odUI&index=2

start of Schumann: Papillons, Op. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAlUOtG7mQA&list=OLAK5uy_k0ERqIkjY-hcX6nggs1Pi7ubP4RS_odUI&index=20

start of Schumann: Carnaval, Op. 9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MteooJ5YM1s&list=OLAK5uy_k0ERqIkjY-hcX6nggs1Pi7ubP4RS_odUI&index=31

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k0ERqIkjY-hcX6nggs1Pi7ubP4RS_odUI

>The three works on this recording are collections of short pieces, strung together and forming a cohesive whole - a form which Schumann himself invented, developed and brought to perfection. Davidsbündlertänze (Dances of the League of David) was written after Schumann's engagement to Clara Wieck, to whom he wrote, 'If I have ever been happy at the piano, it was when I was composing these.' Papillons (Butterflies) is the work of a youthful, unfettered imagination, and Carnaval is one of his most popular pieces, a display of both technique and emotion. Boris Giltburg, who took first prize at the 2013 Queen Elisabeth Competition, is one of today's most exciting young pianists, lauded for his 'massive and engulfing technique, supporting interpretations that glow with warmth and poetic commitment' (Gramophone).

>>128134906
underrated means "rated lower than its true value"
generally, people think Mozart is boring (even among those that listen to classical) and only respect him because they know he was influential. but in reality he is the greatest composer of all times, so yes he is literally underrated.

>>128134955
>>128134992
>>128135047
Further proof that Mozart is underrated

this recording, yay/nay?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgC60jPWmCk&list=OLAK5uy_lmGqDUy5LqATRhhCYhceP0H-6j6mjFGkk&index=12

>>128135073
by the power vested in Giltburg, it is so

>>128135153
damn looks legit

Do you realize how severely underrated Mozart is? People vastly overestimate his genius by just oversimplifying how good he was, and basically implying that he was some sort of cosmic force of compositional brilliance. That obviously isn't true. But a lot of times people don't understand, or don't catch, how subtle his brilliance actually is. He did absolutely brilliant work while still operating within the tasteful restraint that characterized the classical period, and broke a shit ton of ground. Mozart seemed to be literally operating at a level beyond any composer in Turks of raw genius in composition. People vastly under rate Mozart sometimes because it's "cool" to like what is less popular. Mozart was literally head and shoulders more of a genius that Chopin, Beethoven, Haydn etc. It's almost incomprehensible that he was able to compose in the manner he did relative to what had come before him especially. He stands in a class of his own as easily the greatest musical genius of all time without it being remotely close. Mozart is underrated simply because it is impossible to conceive of a rating that would do him justice.

>>128135153
is that fucking George Lucas

>>128135226
ye

>>128134326
I'm sorry too

now playing

start of JS Bach: Partita No. 4 in D Major, BWV 828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ny4GqkM7fM&list=OLAK5uy_k9zkiCHsoGl3LbAIJSvZp5CGUAVfEnqdU&index=14

start of JS Bach: Partita No. 3 in A Minor, BWV 827
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE4aoQIOydk&list=OLAK5uy_k9zkiCHsoGl3LbAIJSvZp5CGUAVfEnqdU&index=21

start of JS Bach: Partita No. 5 in G Major, BWV 829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NlRhlEYzZk&list=OLAK5uy_k9zkiCHsoGl3LbAIJSvZp5CGUAVfEnqdU&index=27

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k9zkiCHsoGl3LbAIJSvZp5CGUAVfEnqdU

Hope one day Levit records Bach's WTC and Art of Fugue.

>>128135262
>Diddle didlle dilled dee
>Diddle didlle dilled duh
>Diddle didlle dilled dee
>Diddle didlle dilled dah

This is suposedly the greatest music ever written

>>128135308
hey! only the 13th, okay

>>128135308
>>>/mu/

>>128135312
I have to say, that list is basic and embarrassing, choices are somehow too obvious and not enough

>>128135359
Almost any top X list in classical is gonna be 'basic' and 'too obvious' because the cream rises to the top almost without exception. If something was so great, it'd be recognized as such.

>>128135359
Well let's see you list then

>>128135418
Pay me

>>128135433
why the fuck would anybody

>>128133407 (OP)
Best recording of Holst - The Planets?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP5xhyPn58U

any string player? how do you feel about steel vs synthetic strings? beginner here and just experienced the difference after changing 2 strings (cello). the instrument sounds much better now although they haven't settled yet. it's definitely a warmer sound which i find ideal. my steel G and C sound good already so i won't change for now

>>128135481
You demand a service you gotta be ready to pay for it, else shut up

>>128135504
Stick with Karajan.

>>128135523
>synthetic strings
never before in my LIFE have I EVER heard of that outside of guitars
>>128135504
Sir Adrian Boult, London Philharmonic Orchestra, Geoffrey Mitchell Choir
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGX3kO-MQ2M
>>128135556
ew

>>128135534
you are reversing the burden of proof

>>128135504
Jurowski

>>128135578
No one's arguing for or against anything, and evidence has nothing to do with this. You asked me to make a list, and I asked for payment. Are you awake?

Returning to Kempff's Beethoven, I never realized just how leisurely it was compared to others, the difference is extreme. And lovely :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK8-Zg-8JYM

This piece alone shows how much of a genius Mozart was.

>>128135593
bach and before, nothing after

>>128135604
Yup, love his Requiem recording with that on it.

>Today I will remind them

BAB
A
B

>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
A
A

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>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Schoenberg or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and Prokofiev

That is all

>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court
>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School
>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms
>No Perotin or Medieval Music

>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it
>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart
>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident
>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE
>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold

Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shit
Below is a list of acceptable Romantics:

>Field
>Chabrier
>Franck
>Tarrega
>Wagner*
>Any of the Russian 5
>Grieg
>Alkan
>Late Beethoven

NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER

Further proof that Mozart is underrated

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNM7ipMAGzo&list=OLAK5uy_kgDwu1Uj4gy8N9q34LJVe44ZIp3CRh8uc&index=4

>>128135735
He'd be better if he didn't Alberti Bass all the time

>a little bit of Wine, Josquin, Palestrina, Corelli, Handel, Chabrier, and Poulenc to lighten a nice sunny saturday
Bro's I'm so happy right now, the French really did figure this "joie de vivre" out perfectly.

>>128135596
you claimed the list done by experts is "basic and embarassing". This statement is undermined if your own list is itself basic and embarassing, but when asked to show it to defend your validity you refuse to do so, claiming it is a "service" (it is not). you are a retard who is too full of themselves, and you have wasted this general's time

>>128135801
no Satie or Debussy? that's my maximum comfy

>>128135821
Hella gymnastics. Anyway, pay me and you'll get your list.

>>128135801
>to lighten a nice sunny saturday

Where do you live? West coast?

>>128135829
Sad.

>>128135839
gonna cry?

>>128135825
Absolutely, I'm gonna play the comfy early Debussy works, and the gnossienses after Chabrier's trois valses romantiques

>>128135830
Socal, please kill me though sinceNewsom is fucking this state up so badly

>>128135850
>this is the anon who called the list basic and embarrassing
Don't reply to me ever again. Goodbye.

>>128135860
>Socal, please kill me though sinceNewsom is fucking this state up so badly
Can't wait to vote for him to become President :)

>>128135892
>>128135892
>Don't reply to me ever again. Goodbye.
>>128135892
>wah wah wah

Was Liszt a honorary german?

>>128135825
Severac is also top tier comfy as well, you can smell the Franco-Spanish flavors in his music as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4T8bFhqRE&list=RDWA4T8bFhqRE&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgy4XfmaSNM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3dmo27ifb8

>>128135918
Even better: He was hungarian

>>128135918
hung aryan

>>128135926
I read his name as deodorant

>>128135903
I aboslutely will as well, got to be consistent with my shitposting, and I also don't want an ugly fucker like Vance in the Oval office

>>128135927
>>128135929
He has the german style all over his works, except, of course, the rhapsodies.

>>128135953
No: The germans had the hungarian style all over their works.

>>128135953
He literally helped forge what you understand as the german style, unless you mean he sounded like Beethoven in which case you're just wrong

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U33hmlENKnc&list=OLAK5uy_nzzy964BImFEZsG4uoRGZnGsF_2tj_CK0&index=8

now playing

start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 22 in E-Flat Major, K. 482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmmLXB__atw&list=OLAK5uy_lx9IdjbIIGAEvk1oO5dowyhBO5zZ6KN5c&index=65

start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 23 in A Major, K. 488
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPHpGCA2yh4&list=OLAK5uy_lx9IdjbIIGAEvk1oO5dowyhBO5zZ6KN5c&index=68

start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 24 in C Minor, K. 491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjDjb5a_QVs&list=OLAK5uy_lx9IdjbIIGAEvk1oO5dowyhBO5zZ6KN5c&index=70

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lx9IdjbIIGAEvk1oO5dowyhBO5zZ6KN5c

>>128135988
underrated composer

>>128135926
Lovey, thank you, will check out more from him.

>>128136009
ajajajajaj

>>128135941
His music smells good, so the comparison is apt :)

>>128136005
Your welcome :)

Currently listening to this. Each of the singers has the vocal range of a castrati due to some hormonal dysfunction preventing their voice from changing in puberty

Is this the best set of Chopin's Polonaises?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoLMP6ORdjY&list=OLAK5uy_lYvPCkXq0igYAncEcInSRHX28B-V1TSfQ&index=1

>>128136087
huh, intriguing

>>128136151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1iX7KUjMUU&list=OLAK5uy_lpNpq-LbywsejpNzcqnoDb5oS2YwtJhhw

>>128135829
jewish behaviour

>>128136087
graphic design is my passion

>>128136162
A taste
https://youtu.be/n3TzdbJzvGo

>>128136237
what the fuck lmao

>>128136272
Look, I'm bored

>>128136237
howling for the lack of gonads i guess

>>128136237
Yiff in hell

>>128136304
it's like I'm back in 2008

>>128136304
>>128136322
take me back boys, I'm getting old

Was Wagner demonic?

>Yet a further feature was drawn to our attention, which was not just characteristic of this final period of his life. It was not possible to keep anything hidden from him; he always knew everything. When Mrs Wagner wanted to give him a surprise of any sort, it would turn out that he had dreamt about it the previous night and told her in the morning. This ability to see through people often appeared demonic, particularly with strangers: his penetrating gaze would enable him to discern a person's foibles at a glance and it often happened that, even though he had no wish to offend a person, he nevertheless touched on the sorest points.

>>128136507
no, he was german

for fun, gonna go through Angela Hewitt's discography. She's primarily known for her Bach but she's actually recorded quite a diverse chunk of the repertoire; Mozart, Beethoven, Debussy, Ravel, Schumann, Liszt, Chopin, Couperin, Scarlatti, and more.

starting with her newest Mozart release
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU12io01Gwo&list=OLAK5uy_m27j5lZUQm8mWQYygEa34KSCIscCrlPDQ&index=1

>>128136507
That's kinda awesome ngl

>>128136507
demons aren't real

>>128136528
I enjoyed that Fauré one

>>128136546
then how come the Bible says they are?

>>128136583
I'll check it out, thanks.

>>128136584
Go ask Balaam's pleading donkey, it'll tell you

Raff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1GInEpc5o8&list=OLAK5uy_mf-1xZkG9kcC6-0zG-pFV3TAXFPNlGgf0&index=13

daym yall niggas b listenin 2 sum lit music frfr

>>128136720
asap rocky x bach - get lit in b minor

>>128136528
>female pianists

>>128136768
yes

one last post for the night, now playing

start of Chopin: Ballade No. 1 in G minor, Op. 23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82AVZvhFo2w&list=OLAK5uy_k6W9HKWpiH7JJF8NsKygigA0yiqj4HpsU&index=2

Chopin: Barcarolle in F sharp, Op. 60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lbF0QYfRsg&list=OLAK5uy_k6W9HKWpiH7JJF8NsKygigA0yiqj4HpsU&index=6

Chopin: Fantaisie in F minor, Op. 49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2njLoVhrmtM&list=OLAK5uy_k6W9HKWpiH7JJF8NsKygigA0yiqj4HpsU&index=6

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k6W9HKWpiH7JJF8NsKygigA0yiqj4HpsU

>>128136507
no

>Richard earnestly reproached Malwida von Meysenbug for not having her ward baptised. This was not right, he said, not everyone could fashion his religion for himself, and particularly in childhood one must have a feeling of cohesion. Nor should one be left to choose: rather it should be possible to say, You have been christened, you belong through baptism to Christ, now unite yourself once more with him through Holy Communion. Christening and Communion are indispensable, he said. No amount of knowledge can ever approach the effect of the latter. People who evade religion have a terrible shallowness, and are unable to feel anything in a religious spirit.
Cosima's Diary entry for 12 December 1873

I fuckin' love Liszt's Harmonies poétiques et religieuses

Schubert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY_ZQOGu9fo&list=OLAK5uy_mEOSPidmxEG-EJsW6rL0OLN9nU5PNQzhg&index=8

>>128136768
duh, those tend to be the better ones

man, if only S. Richter recorded the entirety of Shostakovich's 24 Preludes & Fugues, Op. 87 :(

+ having the ability to listen to his WTC and then that back2back? oh maaaan

>Hewitt’s later recording has a wonderful sense of deliberative unfolding and features a masterly use of colour in consort with keen structural and rhythmic awareness; no listener would ever regard it as other than a supreme achievement. Yet could it be that the passage of a decade has made the pianist think the approach is slightly too modest or compromising? Like Hewitt's performance of the Goldberg Variations here last March (review), this new reading of Book I of the Well-Tempered Clavier seemed more dramatic and spontaneous, with even greater extremes of tempos and rhythmic emphasis and, to some extent, a greater reaching to the celestial heavens. It seemed like a fuller and more direct statement of what the pianist really wanted to say, and an ultimate flowering of the possibilities for contrast and dramatic expression in the pieces. In lesser hands, the increased intensity and range might easily be seen as mannered and too romantic; here it was presented with such intellectual absorption and discipline that it all made perfect sense. In fact, it seemed that an already strong narrative line was further nourished. Hewitt’s secret lay in referring to extremes very consistently throughout the work, so one always had the idea that they were integral to the penetration of the deepest secrets of these 24 supreme pieces.

goddamn who writes this stuff? you could change the nouns and it could be about anything. if I were Hewitt, though, it'd sure make me happy to read, which I suppose is the point, but goddamn, writer's in love

>>128137271
who's that

>>128137305
>who's that
yer da

For tonight's performance of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, we listen to Vladimir Feltsman's set:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pcFpfauV_o&list=OLAK5uy_nitfSx11v6oM0k8_BJ6SyPjEU7p6Q7mkk&index=44

A set which occupies an interpretive and sonic middleground. Probably not a set for anyone to love, but certainly for everyone to enjoy.

>>128137271
kek

Damn, so few recordings of these works by Pãrt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODbqEKKJSBY
Probably because they are less popular works but even so... I'd imagine he was popular enough, a shame

>>128137407
>I'd imagine he was popular enough
he *is* pop, yeah
>>>/mu/

Bartok essential works?

Scriabin's Le Poeme De L'Extase best recording?

>>128138222
Essential? His string quartets, piano concertos, Concerto for Orchestra, and Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta. Then there's a lower tier with his violin concertos, violin sonatas, The Miraculous Mandarin, and The Wooden Prince. Some people would say his solo piano music but I'm not convinced. Oh and if you like opera, Bluebeard's Castle. Enjoy :)

>>128138222
Kossuth
Bluebeard's Castle
Four Pieces For Orchestra Op 12
All six string quartets
The Wooden Prince
Three piano concertos
Suite Op 14
The Miraculous Mandarin
Viola concerto
Both violin concertos
Both violin sonatas
Táncszvit
Piano sonata
Szabadban
Rhapsody for violin and orchestra 1 and 2
Music For Strings, Percussion And Celesta
Sonata For Two Pianos And Percussion (also the Concerto version)
Contrasts
Concerto for Orchestra
Any collection of hungarian folk songs for orchestra
>>128138290
Urban Agnas, Royal Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra, Leif Segerstam

>>128138290
Muti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_iRNP9iSzI

Any from any big name conductor will probably be good though, at least in my experience. Ashkenazy, Gergiev, Sinopoli. All solid. But if I had to recommend one, Muti.

>>128138307
>Any collection of hungarian folk songs for orchestra
and/or romanian*
Also I think I should've added the Cantata Profana in there. Doesn't get nearly as much love as it deserves.

Hello, friend, again

>>128138860
Huh, thought I was familiar with all of the complete Brahms sets. That one is new to me, added. Hopefully it's good. Also, Brahms seems a bit modern for you, no?

>>128138880
I like the ocassional solo instrument.

now playing

start of Debussy: Images I, CD 105
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEVfeN-cg3Q&list=OLAK5uy_nNPZRkcaVbB83fwRh-yztH_lICboPNO0s&index=2

start of Debussy: Images II, CD 120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6vPbcRTYjU&list=OLAK5uy_nNPZRkcaVbB83fwRh-yztH_lICboPNO0s&index=5

start of Debussy: Préludes, Book 2, CD 131
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNIE0-rIt38&list=OLAK5uy_nNPZRkcaVbB83fwRh-yztH_lICboPNO0s&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nNPZRkcaVbB83fwRh-yztH_lICboPNO0s

>>128138996
Perfectly natural. Whose the latest composer you enjoy?

>>128138996
>>128139150
Who's*, fuck, that's embarrassing

>>128138996
Suck on this pipe, friend, and inhale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BuQFO-diEY

in my country this man is everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pueNOYUOsV0

>>128139232
At least you've got something. For years and years I was under the impression that Sweden had no worthwhile composers at all

>>128139256
>For years and years I was under the impression that Sweden had no worthwhile composers at all
Atterberg, Alfven, Allan Pettersson, and Stenhammar are all /classical/ approved. Rangstrom not so much, depending if you like post-romanticism slop.

>>128139346
>/classical/ approved
means nothing

>>128139373
It has more gravitas than if I had just said "are worthwhile."

>>128139373
Then I suggest you leave.

>>128139503
I don't need nor want your suggestions

>>128139516
Then spare us of your insolence. I didn't need nor want your response either.

>>128139542
Kill yourself

>>128139548
We do not tolerate this kind of behavior here. I advise you to search for a different hobby. >>>/mu/

>We
speak for yourself you dry cumsock

>>128139595
That's it. Your insolence shall not be tolerated in these halls from this point forward. I hereby banish you from /classical/, FOREVER.

IV11#5.

>Having listened to many pianists play these Concerti, I find this version by Ashkenazy and Solti a real disappointment. Honestly, I've never really gotten Ashkenazy's appeal. There is no wing of the piano repertoire that he plays BETTER than anyone else. He's certainly competent, but lacks personality or a real stamp. He plays all the notes, but that's no reason to make recordings. The Chicago under Solti is astonishingly aggressive. It's like they're trying to "beat" the pianist down. And Ashkenazy responds by receding and withdrawing from the battle. Someone else said here it's like he's playing Chopin, not Beethoven. Perhaps his other two (!) recordings of the 5 Concerti might be better, but this one cannot be recommended. Out of balance, schizophrenic.

ouch

V13b5.

>>128139653
>>128139689
thank you scriabincel

>>128139662
>There is no wing of the piano repertoire that he plays BETTER than anyone else
except Scriabin's sonatas

more of Rubinstein's Chopin

Piano Sonata 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdhRY2WgMS0&list=OLAK5uy_lHwLEvBOwYyYZrP_nXCJAnjH8kgbpBEZg&index=2

Piano Sonata 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUJadOVNs9k&list=OLAK5uy_lHwLEvBOwYyYZrP_nXCJAnjH8kgbpBEZg&index=6

Fantaisie in F Minor, Op. 49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyqfxQbjC7I&list=OLAK5uy_lHwLEvBOwYyYZrP_nXCJAnjH8kgbpBEZg&index=10

Barcarolle in F-Sharp Major, Op. 60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHCPwjQYqc&list=OLAK5uy_lHwLEvBOwYyYZrP_nXCJAnjH8kgbpBEZg&index=11

Berceuse in D-Flat Major, Op. 57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQrxDj0IIiM&list=OLAK5uy_lHwLEvBOwYyYZrP_nXCJAnjH8kgbpBEZg&index=11

Better quality than I thought it'd be

>>128139738
not part of the repertoire

>>128139738
tru

I suppose the reviewer would name Hamelin then

speaking of Scriabin, anyone tried this set? the one community review opens with,
>I have ALL of the available recordings of the complete piano sonatas of Alexander Scriabin. This set is the best without a doubt.

o shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P1gT8tWKgU&list=OLAK5uy_lJ1neJeKqkulpfVZkBFSjeY6zJE7YJQdU&index=13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIlLguo2KBc&list=OLAK5uy_lIhPO77fH1QWXaClMMNhlgRX0f8IYf8e8&index=3

>>128139689
What’s the resolution?

>>128139811
The tonic

>>128139566
no actually i agree with him, kill yourself

>>128139839
That works but I’d kinda like a bIIIm7

>>128139841
I hereby banish you from /classical/. Another one bites the dust.

>>128139882
How's the bandwidth in Ohio, loser

>>128139678
>>128140077
Zoomers are not allowed on /classical/.

>>128140084
>Zoomers
Zoomers are not allowed on /classical/.

>>128140084
>yugioh is zoomer
what next, pokemon is a zoomer thing too, idiot

>>128140099
tell that to the pseudomozartian animeposter

>>128135153
>>128135226
Honestly George Lucas could probably direct a pretty good filmed opera if the onions wars prequels are anything to go by (He is genuinely good at portraying emotion visually and he has a very theatrical way of doing drama). I'd pay to see that.

https://youtu.be/6_-XKotekbA

Saw this live in italy semi recently in one of those big arenas, was pretty cool until rain cut the performance short. Guess that's why you do opera indoors. Still felt I got my money's worth with the quality of the sets which were still faithful to what the story is about but using modern technology to make everything fancier. Wish that was the case in my country as opposed to every opera being some modernist retelling by a faggot director who inserts his own meaning on the work.

In any case, what do you guys think of Verdi? Rarely hear that name here in a way that isn't in-passing.

>>128140111
yugioh is not anime
and anime isn't really a zoomer thing, anime has been posted on this board since the day it was created, when zoomers were still shitting in their diapers.

The three B's:
>Bruckner
>Bellini
>Busoni

>>128140141
i kneel

>>128140135
>In any case, what do you guys think of Verdi? Rarely hear that name here in a way that isn't in-passing.
Better than Wagner

The three W's:
>Webern
>Whitacre
>Wozart

today's plans: finally listen to some of Allan Pettersson's break and melancholy symphonies. Any particular favorites?

>>128140135
>In any case, what do you guys think of Verdi? Rarely hear that name here in a way that isn't in-passing.
Not into opera, but his Requiem is stellar.

>>128140161
what he said unironically

>>128140168
>Not into opera, but his Requiem is stellar
In that case, I should definitely give that work a shot. I quite like his orchestration and melodic style if Aida is anything to go by.

>>128140136
>yugioh is not anime

>>128140187
it was played on cartoon network, therefore it is cartoon.

>>128140184
don't forget his amazing string quartet, just all around better composer than Wagner

The three B's:
>Bruckner
>Boobs (small)
>Scriabin

Makes me kind of sad that music that has given me so much genuine comfort over the years - classical - is associated with elitism. I think classical is a lot more generally relatable than it gets credit for.

Verdi's operas also aren't too shabby. Just my humble opinion.

>>128140194
>>128140194
anime is a cartoon, you MENSA reject

>>128140211
cry about it

>>128140208
>classical - is associated with elitism.
since the age of information. Back in the '60s teens would throw parties at their houses and play Beethoven's concertos or Haydn's sonatas. I'm not making this up

>>128140187
I get what he means, Yugioh was so fundamentally altered in the dub (which he referenced with "shadow realm" as that idea was exclusive to the dub because they didn't want to allude to death in a kids show), that it basically just becomes an american network cartoon. Watched the japanese version of the first arc and besides it being way too fucking long (50 episodes for the entire pegasus arc, Jesus), it's basically a different show in terms of even just the characterization of the main cast and also the tone, dialogue, everyhthing. The studio who did the dub also made an illegal spinoff show animated in america so there's that too.

>>128140219
why?

>>128140229
why not?

>>128140223
>(50 episodes for the entire pegasus arc, Jesus)
Wait it was that long? I remember it being way shorter as a kid

>>128140223
americans wish; I guess DBZ isn't anime because yanks have told you it isn't

>>128140244
DBZ is for retarded mexicans
REAL anime is Gochiusa, Yuru Yuri, To Love-Ru, KissXsis, Oreimo, these are REAL high IQ anime

>>128140237
It fetl short because as a kid you didn't have a million other shit on your mind at all times

>>128140257
ok zoomer

>>128140206
>scriaBin
Sounds about right.

>>128140266
zoomers don't know any of those are
oh yeah and i forgot Lucky Star

>>128140208
It's not as congruent with modern life as pop/rock is. Even, say, midwest emo has more to do with the day-to-day experience of the average youth than classical these days, that's just the truth.

>>128140271
zoomers don't know *WHAT* any of those are
sorry about that

>>128140271
>>128140280
zoomers can use the internet and pirate shit, you know

>>128140288
but they overwhelmingly don't

>>128140288
most of them are scared of pirating, they actually pay for shit they can get for free, fucking losers.

Extremely lowbrow vibes ITT.

>>128140293
They clearly do, hence the state of this board and the internet at large. Stop trying to defend them
>>128140295
evidently not

Yugioh, Pokemon, DBZ: All 100& anime; all 100& millenial

>>128140329
Which of them has the best soundtrack?

>>128140333
GT but it has the worst story to go with it

falling asleep to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoTUvsj3vLY&list=OLAK5uy_msiiRw4wA_weiAqEFU0PsYoyI_UUDBgro&index=8

>>128140295
>pirating from places that need your support when you can afford it
sad

>>128140409
i can afford it, i just rather not spend money on something i can get online so easily, also i don't want to support streaming services.

>>128140222
Sounds like a good time. Getting stoned and listening to classical with friends is one of my favorite memories.
>>128140275
For sure. I don’t think it would be the first choice of music for anywhere close to the majority of people even if it weren’t stigmatized, but I do think it’s still relevant to the modern day. Our basic biology hasn’t changed that much since the 1600s that we’re expressing completely different emotions today than we were back then. My friend who has never studied any classical and primarily listens to EDM sat and listened to the Lento Assai from Beethoven Op 135 with me and at the end remarked that it sounded really beautiful and moving. It helps to have an ambassador when listening to classical, but I think the music still stands on its own emotionally speaking.

>>128140433
Like I said, sad. This will be the death of media, art, and culture.

>>128140445
i'll buy a physical copy if i really like something, but if you pay for a streaming service, most of the money doesn't even go towards the artists or people that actually worked on the media.

>>128140442
That's a different kind of emotional connection, I'm talking about something more specific. There is no classical piece that captures my day-to-day experiences in direct form, whereas there are many pop/rock songs which do. I'm talking specific events like walking through the city or driving a car or meeting a girl at the coffee shop. The emotions evoked by classical music is much more general than that. When I want specific feelings, music which matches the minutiae of the modern experience, I turn to pop/rock. I would never listen to classical to get hyped up for something, for example.

>>128140489
>>128140442
Or let me put it another way: what classical piece captures the feeling of drinking at the bar with your friends? Or skateboarding at the park, if you're into that? Or partying at the beach? Nothing.

>>128140489
>The emotions evoked by classical music is much more general than that.
you just feel that way because classical doesn't have words describing exactly what is going on

>>128140509
Sometimes the words help, sure, but not always. Take midwest emo and indie rock, those genres feel like the experience of American suburbia and all that it entails. Are there classical pieces which evoke the feeling of romantic love? Sure. Are there classical pieces which evoke the very specific modern situation of being too nervous to approach a girl, hope she notices you, and it works out? No. Okay, that one might need the lyrics, at least partly. But when I wanna reminisce about my younger days, like high school and right after and the life I was living and the people I met and the situations I encountered, classical doesn't come close to capturing that.

Which is why I always say this on here: when I wanna listen to music in itself, I listen to classical; when I wanna daydream, I listen to pop/rock.

>>128140508
>what classical piece captures the feeling of drinking at the bar with your friends?
Shostakovich Symphony No. 4
Scriabin - Sonata No. 9
Prokofiev - Violin Concerto No. 1
Wagner - Lohengrin
Carl Orff - Carmina Burana
Mozart - Requiem
Bach - Matthaus Passion

>>128140561
>the very specific modern situation of being too nervous to approach a girl, hope she notices you, and it works out
yeah bro I'm no one has ever felt that way before 1950

>>128140561
are you sure you're not just high or something? you sound high.

>>128140565
Uh... well, maybe I just don't feel classical music as deeply as you do then. In any case, I'm just explaining why classical music will forever be alien to a large portion of the populace because this is what they listen to music for, not to appreciate the formal aspects.

>>128140577
My point is that pop/rock captures the specific tone of those emotions and experiences. There's songs for every specific modern situation. Classical is much more general than that is all I'm saying.

>>128140603
>My point is that pop/rock captures the specific tone of those emotions and experiences. There's songs for every specific modern situation. Classical is much more general than that is all I'm saying.
for me it's the opposite, classical always feels like it's trying to convey a very specific feeling.

Persichetti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nmGQK2NwKI

>want to listen to long symphonies in one sitting
>headphones get distractingly uncomfortable after an hour of continuous listening
>get disturbed by the noises coming from my surroundings during quiet parts
What do? I'm not getting new headphones that would solve the last problem, since any closed-backs would be a severe downgrade in sound quality compared to my Stax. Pic unrelated, just the coolest road car from the 90's.

>>128140615
Well, then maybe I just don't feel classical as deeply as you guys. When I listen to classical, I focus entirely on the music. When I listen to pop/rock, I almost immediately space out and live in my head, often something relevant to the emotional tone of the song. That's what these forms are good for, and most people these days want music for the latter purpose.

>>128140603
>why classical music will forever be alien to a large portion of the populace because this is what they listen to music for, not to appreciate the formal aspects.

>>128140627
You either get used to pros/cons A or pros/cons B.

>>128140640
the first mistake was using social media

>>128140631
I see modern music basically as poetry with accompaniment. When I listen to modern songs, I do not space out or whatever, most of the time I focus on the lyrics and how the music interacts with them.

>>128140670
>I see modern music basically as poetry with accompaniment
yeah really bad poetry i guess

>>128140489
>>128140508
I don’t think we’re in disagreement - I don’t listen to classical for any of the things you mentioned. I do listen to a bunch of non-classical music for various modern activities, but modern life isn’t limited to purely modern activities. When it’s late and I’m walking around with a friend through the neighborhood, classical has been great. When I met my current girlfriend and we started connecting on a level deeper than the surface, I played some classical (and non-classical) because it fit the emotional setting well. Most of the settings where I introduce classical are either more 1-on-1 or during moments that are “slower” and more personal. I listen to classical for more than that, but it seems to fit those social settings well. I’m sure it fits other settings, that’s just what comes to mind now.

>>128140680
the stuff that's on the radio for sure yeah

>>128140687
i like Folk

>>128140640
Man, I personally don’t agree that the approach is to shit on others for something they don’t intuitively enjoy or understand. That’s why I think classical music can benefit from an ambassador when listening with someone who doesn’t automatically connect to it. I studied cello performance, am the principal cellist of an orchestra, teach cello, and I still sometimes benefit from hearing what others focus on when they listen to certain pieces. It just helps to know what others love in music so I listen for those specific moments. Usually I end up saying “oh yeah I missed that, that is awesome.”

>>128140768
kek, those people are NPCs and should be discarded, they aren't even talking about classical music, any music without "lyrics" is foreign to their monkey brains.

new
>>128140856
>>128140856
>>128140856

>>128140785
Yeah, they probably didn’t grow up in a setting where they listened to either no music or only music with lyrics. Both my parents are classical musicians so it was easy for me because it was in the environment. Maybe you didn’t and found classical yourself, in which case I think that’s awesome. But I’m excited to share my love of classical with others who may not have had any exposure to classical. They may fucking hate it - thats okay - but it’s harder to hate it when I accept them where they’re at while showing them what I listen to it for (and don’t play shit like Britten for them off the rip).