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Anonymous No.128146854 [Report] >>128146969 >>128147039 >>128147652 >>128147907 >>128149783 >>128152295 >>128152343 >>128153941 >>128154470 >>128160098 >>128160314 >>128160315 >>128160505 >>128169227 >>128175292 >>128175393 >>128183336 >>128186272 >>128187817
For the life of me I cannot get into jazz. I have favorites/niches in practically every other genre but jazz continues to elude me.
What album made it click for you and what should I try?
Anonymous No.128146896 [Report] >>128147524
are you the same guy who made all the other identical threads this month

i love jazz and im willing to help but these threads are rarely sincere
Anonymous No.128146917 [Report] >>128162733 >>128184631 >>128184814 >>128184845
jazz is meant to be played not heard
Anonymous No.128146942 [Report] >>128147903
>jazz
>album
Anonymous No.128146969 [Report] >>128147607
>>128146854 (OP)
i got into jazz through blll evans' trio dates. try portraits in jazz and enjoy the interplay with the bass
Anonymous No.128147032 [Report]
https://youtu.be/FExBwfQHXlE
Doesn't get more entry level than this.
Fun fact I just learned - the drummer on this album, James Bradley Jr, was behind the kit for Crazy Town when they did Butterfly - never would've imagined it.
Anonymous No.128147039 [Report] >>128149262
>>128146854 (OP)
Anonymous No.128147147 [Report] >>128147552
first time i tried jazz was kind of blue, spent a couple of weeks listening to it, had a good time. then i thought i was ready for john coltrane - ascension. i was not ready for it and i kinda stopped trying to listen to jazz for a long time after that.

listen to monk instead, he plays whatever the fuck he wants to play but he has a deep respect for the melody and he loves blues and old songs, so you always have stuff thats approachable in his music that always makes the music easy to relate to even when you have a lot of moments where you dont really get what the fuck is going on, like you might experience a lot when you start out listening to jazz
also the good albums will keep evolving along with you as your "gettingintojazzness" evolves. the first albums i heard that i listened to every day sound like completely different albums now. more and more stuff will keep clicking the more you listen
Anonymous No.128147524 [Report]
>>128146896
I am not the same anon; I'd love to hear your advice
Anonymous No.128147552 [Report] >>128148877 >>128154493
>>128147147
The only Monk I've heard (and enjoyed) is Caravan. I've tried some of his other stuff like Brilliant Corners but it does nothing for me
Anonymous No.128147607 [Report] >>128160424
>>128146969
I've heard Autumn Leaves and liked the groove and upbeat nature to it but the other songs didn't do it for me, which seems to be a recurring problem
Anonymous No.128147652 [Report]
>>128146854 (OP)
>'Four' & More: Recorded Live in Concert
They're having fun and jerking off musically but also trying to sound good.
Anonymous No.128147664 [Report] >>128147826 >>128147916
I like Dave Brubeck, as a prog guy
Anonymous No.128147826 [Report] >>128147837 >>128147886
>>128147664
Why do we need to know you're a prog guy
Anonymous No.128147837 [Report] >>128148287
>>128147826
I'm a prog guy
Anonymous No.128147886 [Report] >>128148922
>>128147826
So we understand why his taste is so bad
Anonymous No.128147903 [Report]
>>128146942
Did you know that this was caused by how incredibly flat these cars are?
Anonymous No.128147907 [Report] >>128148164
>>128146854 (OP)
What jazz have you listened to. What were your thoughts. Lets have an actual discussion. Put some effort in
Anonymous No.128147916 [Report] >>128147964
>>128147664
Take Five is a great intro to Jazz.
Anonymous No.128147964 [Report] >>128147997 >>128160429
>>128147916
Its a fun listen but it doesnt really lead anywhere if you like it. Its not really connected to jazz, its more like proto-prog rock with jazz orchestration. Personally, as a prog guy, I'm fine with this but saying take five is a good intro to jazz is like saying marvel movies are a good intro to sci-fi. They are barely related
Anonymous No.128147997 [Report] >>128148036 >>128148129 >>128148151
>>128147964
It's a fucking standard nigga. It's the perfect one to understand improv.
Anonymous No.128148036 [Report] >>128148713
>>128147997
>It's a fucking standard nigga
Just because it's in the R*al book it's not a standard, literally not a single jazz musician would ever call that cornball shit.
Anonymous No.128148082 [Report] >>128148940
Yeah I don't care for listening to it as much as I like to learn how to play it
Anonymous No.128148090 [Report] >>128148207 >>128148265 >>128180639 >>128184745
Always amazed by the complete lack of jazz knowledge online.

OP - people are telling you to listen to Monk. That is a baptism by fire. Don't listen to all these dweebs who just suggest musicians they think are "cool" but have barely listened to one record

As a professional jazz musician, please let me give you some records that I believe can be enjoyed by everyone! I live and breathe this music and hate when people shit on it because they can't be bothered to do any research.

Big Band (18 piece jazz orchestra):
The Big 18 - Live Echoes of the Swinging Bands
Duke Ellington - Piano In The Background
Count Basie - Atomic Basie
Sinatra, Basie - The Complete Reprise Studio Recordings
Presenting Jack Hylton - Jack Hylton
Jump For Joy - Peggy Lee
Sarah Vaughan - The Explosive Side of Sarah Vaughan

Piano trio:
Ahmed Jamal - Live at the Pershing
Barry Harris - Live at the Jazz Workshop
Oscar Peterson - Night Train

Guitar:
Kenny Burrell - A Night at the Vanguard

Bebop:
Charlie Parker - Bird with Strings

Quintet:
Art Blakey - Moanin'
Ben Webster & Harry Sweets Edison - Ben and Sweets
Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do
Cannonball Adderly Quintet - Live at the Lighthouse
Clifford Brown & Max Roach - Self Titled
Horace-Scope - Horace Silver
Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet

Vocal:
Betty Carter - 'Round Midnight
Blossom Dearie - Blossom Time live at Ronnie Scott's
Joe Williams - at Newport '63
Lavern Baker - Lavern Baker Sings Bessie Smith
Nat King Cole - Nat King Cole Sings/George Shearing Plays


Brazilian:
Sergio Mendes - In Person at El Matador
Joao Gilberto - Getz/Gilberto

"Modern"/"Contemporary":
Joshua Redman - Spirit of the Moment Live at the Village Vanguard
Kenny Wheeler - Music for Small and Large Ensembles
Roy Hargrove - Of Kindred Souls
Samara Joy - Portrait

If you don't find a single record you like, you objectively have bad taste in music.
Anonymous No.128148129 [Report] >>128148713
>>128147997
Its considered a joke among jazz musicians
Anonymous No.128148151 [Report] >>128148713
>>128147997
I've played 1000+ jazz gigs in my life and I think I've only had someone seriously call this once. It's a shit tune to understand improv because everyone just blows over the vamp
Anonymous No.128148164 [Report] >>128148265 >>128148355
>>128147907
Jazz I've listened to:
>Kind of Blue
very slow and meandering
>The Great Kai and J.J.
I remember it being a little more upbeat than Kind of Blue but I still could not hum a melody from it
>Saxophone Colossus
The drums were cool but again it just did not seem very memorable to me
>Brilliant Corners
Don't really remember much of it. As with most jazz it just seems to meander and go nowhere. Like I mentioned earlier the only Monk song I'd listen to again is Caravan
>Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet
A bit more character with the trumpet and rhythm the bass keeps in most of the songs. Probably my favorite of all these
Anonymous No.128148207 [Report] >>128148245
>>128148090
Appreciate it anon, I will definitely be coming back to these recs.
Do you play guitar? I've fallen out of it but jazz has been my white whale as a player as well
Anonymous No.128148245 [Report] >>128148524
>>128148207
You're welcome. Just please check them all out and give them all a chance!

My main instrument is drums, but I also play a bit of guitar and piano.

Also worth noting the south american influence that entered jazz in the 50's. You can see I added a "Brazilian" section. This is some of my favourite music ever and has a completely different rhythm feel. Would recommend. I'm SUPER deep down the rabbit hole with this music so if you ever need and recs lmk
Anonymous No.128148264 [Report]
For me, this is probably the platonic "jazz" record. It captures essentially every major style of mainstream modern jazz while retaining a lot of swing sensibilities, and even some hints of stride in the stylings of the great Carl Perkins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agpe1SiDgQI
Anonymous No.128148265 [Report] >>128148316
>>128148164
Don't give up, a lot of jazz dorks agree with your takes on those more popular albums. Just try different stuff, see what clicks.
>>128148090
is a good comment, that guy knows what hes talking about.
I mentioned Four and More, but Moanin' was my first jazz album that wasnt the charlie brown christmas trio. Maybe try Rahsaan Roland Kirk, or Herbie Hancock's modal stuff
Anonymous No.128148286 [Report]
The prog pipeline got me into it. Listen to some National Health or Brand X and it will eventually click enough to get you into something accessible like Herbie Hancock
Anonymous No.128148287 [Report]
>>128147837
You should listen to Vento em Madeira's self titled first record. It's like Brazilian Jazz mixed with prog. Very hip
Anonymous No.128148316 [Report]
>>128148265
Four and More is an unreal record. I was obsessed with Tony on that record for like a year straight. I transcribed the entire first minute of his comping on "So What". Unbelievable uptempo playing, at 19 years old!
Anonymous No.128148355 [Report] >>128148376 >>128148404 >>128148418
>>128148164
Kind of blue is IMO not good for beginners because it is modal jazz. Stay away from modal jazz and free jazz because they are inherently "meandering." They are good, but just not for beginners.
Stick to the 30s, 40s and 50s. Just Google the biggest names in piano, sax and trumpet (or guitar, vibes, etc). You really can't go wrong with the top names, they will have literally hundreds of kino recordings.
Earlier music = easier to understand (coleman hawkins, Lester Young, billie holiday, Teddy Wilson)
Older music = more complex/exciting (not necessarily better) (charlie parker, Bud Powell, etc)
My personal favorite is chick corea. Maybe just because I saw him live a few times. My Spanish heart
Main thing to keep in mind is that jazz is not fundamentally different than other forms of music. It just has less repetition and is more complex. But it's still tonal music that has a lot in common with more mainstream music.
Anonymous No.128148376 [Report]
>>128148355
Can confirm this is a based comment
Anonymous No.128148404 [Report]
>>128148355
Another entry point is to listen to the same standard by multiple artists. Try to recognize standards you like. They're all good - that's why they became standards.
For example: body and soul by Billie holiday, Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughan, Coleman Hawkins, Art Tatum, Charlie Parker, Thelonious Monk, etc etc...
Many people on first time will listen to these and say "I can't recognize they're the same song." But to seasoned listeners, it's obvious. That highlights the gap in your listening ability. It should be easy for you to recognize the form of the song. If you can't, you will find it much harder to listen to. This isn't rocket science. It doesn't really even take "effort." Just listen to the songs a bit. But it did require that, and in the modern ADHD world that's too much for most people
Anonymous No.128148418 [Report]
>>128148355
I meant "later music" not "older music," but it's sort of evident by the context.
Anonymous No.128148513 [Report]
Try third stream jazz. It's a good gateway from classical.
https://youtu.be/ll6GYAXi8Ys
https://youtu.be/Tjm5dRM6mhA
Anonymous No.128148524 [Report] >>128148591 >>128148613 >>128148643 >>128148716
>>128148245
>My main instrument is drums, but I also play a bit of guitar and piano.
any tips breaking into playing jazz guitar? I understand how seventh chords are built but that's about it lmao
Anonymous No.128148591 [Report]
>>128148524
Honestly mate I'm not super proficient on the guitar so I'm not sure I can help you too much. But what I would say is jazz is difficult to understand, and your best bet would be to find the best jazz guitarist in your area and get some lessons!

That or find a great online course... but nothing beats a great teacher. You'll also need to put in countless hours of practise, but that's the fun part
Anonymous No.128148613 [Report]
>>128148524
Get iRealPro for chord charts and learn how to play the shell voicings for the chords in the tunes you like. You can work the rest out after that.
Anonymous No.128148643 [Report] >>128193087
>>128148524
This goes for all instruments, you don't learn "jazz guitar", you learn to play jazz on the guitar. The theory and technique you need to learn is genre agnostic, so what you really need to do is:
>listen a lot
>transcribe
>play a lot
Anonymous No.128148713 [Report] >>128148738 >>128148754
>>128148036
>>128148129
>>128148151
>Here come the jazz snobs
OP wanted a nice intro to jazz, i suggested a safe tune.
You guys are the redditors of music.
Anonymous No.128148716 [Report] >>128148767
>>128148524
Learn 7th chords with different voicings, different inversions, all up and down the neck
Learn to play the melody of a song in the top note with the harmony below it. Pretty sure thats called "voice leading"
Listen to george benson and wes montgomery and pat metheny, how they can play comp/rhythm while also playing melodically and not just strumming a chord.
Joe Pass has an instructional tape you can find on youtube. That's the best jazz guitar lesson I've ever seen.
Also check out fingerstyle country blues like Doc Watson just to see what the guitar is capable of. Playing harmony and melody and rhythm all at once. Or Elizabeth Cotten. Simple stuff that helps you break out of wonderwall syndrome.
Biggest thing would be playing a simple song like Blue Bossa or Autumn Leaves, without any accompaniment or backing track, playing the melody and the chords at the same time.
Go around the neck and experiment-
>What if I was playing an A minor 7th chord with an A in the melody? C in the melody? E or G in the melody?
Move around the neck and memorize those shapes, learn how to "imply" a chord without playing all 4 notes of it. Like playing G, B, and F# "implies" an E minor 9th chord with an F# in the melody, even though it doesn't have an E note. Basically learn how to play the melody to a song while sticking chord notes on the adjacent, lower strings.

Hope that made sense.
Anonymous No.128148738 [Report] >>128148892 >>128148968 >>128149254
>>128148713
Jazz is not safe tunes. Jazz musicians are incredibly snobby. That's the whole point
Anonymous No.128148754 [Report]
>>128148713
They're right. It never made sense to me that Dave brubeck, and especially that album were recommended as an intro into jazz. It's actually not a very good album and it's also quite unusual and atypical.
Anonymous No.128148767 [Report]
>>128148716
>Pretty sure thats called "voice leading"
No, voice leading is a concept from the study of counterpoint, essentially just a set of conventions for how melodic lines should develop and interact (skip followed by contrary stepwise motion, contrary motion etc.), what you're talking about is just harmonization.
Anonymous No.128148804 [Report] >>128148827
Also don't get a real book and don't look at sheets unless you're literally at a gig being forced to sightread, nor ever bother with the chord/scale nonsense. They all stifle progress and inevitably lead to vert mechanical playing.
Anonymous No.128148827 [Report] >>128149122
>>128148804
holy shit wes i thought you died ages ago
Anonymous No.128148877 [Report]
>>128147552
Try this, a lot of people have Monk click for them when they listen to it and I like it a lot more than most other stuff by him. Brilliant Corners doesn't resonate much with me either, I guess I think Monk is at his best when solo.
Anonymous No.128148892 [Report]
>>128148738
>Jazz musicians are incredibly snobby. That's the whole point
It might be for institutional Berklee fags, but please remember the origins of Jazz.
Anonymous No.128148922 [Report]
>>128147886
kek
Anonymous No.128148925 [Report]
Anything from Vince Guaraldi.

Especially his Peanuts stuff
Anonymous No.128148926 [Report]
Try this one
Anonymous No.128148940 [Report]
>>128148082
>t. guitarist
Anonymous No.128148968 [Report] >>128149011
>>128148738
you have a hollywood movie conception of the genre and it makes you look like an underaged tourist
Anonymous No.128149011 [Report] >>128149222
>>128148968
Ok fine, listen to Dave Brubeck
Anonymous No.128149122 [Report]
>>128148827
As in the modular scale/chord relationship method of improvisation that is commonly taught by bad teachers, you probably do need to learn about chord and scales at sone point lmao
Anonymous No.128149222 [Report]
>>128149011
i'll stick with charles lloyd
Anonymous No.128149254 [Report]
>>128148738
only the white ones are
Anonymous No.128149262 [Report]
>>128147039
was gonna post this lol
Anonymous No.128149370 [Report] >>128149553
As someone who only started listening to it last year, I'm not a fan of how brass or woodwind instruments generally sound in a jazz context, so mostly I stick to some combination of guitar/piano/organ/bass/drums. What initially led me to jazz was the desire to hear really good guitar playing that wasn't wanky or self-indulgent. My favourites in this regard are:

>Grant Green - Complete Quartets with Sonny Clark
>Wes Montgomery - Smokin' at the Half Note
>Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue
>Danny Gatton - Redneck Jazz Explosion Vol. 1 & 2 [Not strictly jazz, but incorporates a healthy dose]

Another thing that helps you "get" jazz is listening to the original versions of the standards they're covering so you can more easily follow the melodies.
Anonymous No.128149553 [Report] >>128149594
>>128149370
rank trumpet, alto, tenor from best to worst sounding?
Anonymous No.128149594 [Report] >>128149820
>>128149553
Tenor is most tolerable, the other two are about equal but I guess trumpet is a little less grating than alto
Anonymous No.128149783 [Report]
>>128146854 (OP)

Jazz has been fused into every single genre. Start with what you DO like, and listen to the jazz-infused variants of it. Try listening to other music that involves improv or complex time signatures. Getting into jazz naturally flows from there. Also does help to be a musician
Anonymous No.128149820 [Report] >>128149871
>>128149594
i love the alto guys with huge range

do you listen to it to get inspiration from the phrasing atleast?
Anonymous No.128149871 [Report]
>>128149820
>inspiration

To be honest I don't play any instruments myself, which may be part of the problem
Anonymous No.128150256 [Report] >>128160224
https://youtu.be/UNbnvfMiw2E

this guy might be a lot more approachable than monk (???) or are they just the same? it takes a lot for a piano trio album to really hold my attention is all i know
Anonymous No.128152295 [Report] >>128153972 >>128160042
>>128146854 (OP)
jazz sucks as standalone music
it's best used for atmosphere/vibes in cinematography in all forms
Anonymous No.128152343 [Report]
>>128146854 (OP)
Cannonball adderly - Somethin' else
Anonymous No.128153941 [Report]
>>128146854 (OP)
There's like 100 people who play or listen to jazz combined I wouldn't worry about it. That said, maybe try this https://youtu.be/P_tAU3GM9XI
Anonymous No.128153972 [Report] >>128157247
>>128152295
Retarded take. Jazz is one of the greatest art forms ever given to the world.
Anonymous No.128154470 [Report] >>128156514
>>128146854 (OP)
>For the life of me I cannot get into jazz
then don't
>elude
do you feel that there are cool things in the music that you keep missing, or just a mass of people that puts it on a pedestal and you don't understand why?
usually, in the former case, you wouldn't be asking the question, you'd just be curious and listen to tons of it until you find what you're looking for, so i'm going to assume it's the latter.
you may just not like jazz, there's tons of things that don't speak to me even if i understand them perfectly well.
but also the most vocal people about jazz here post online pseud shit that's boring as fuck so it's statistically likely that you don't like it, and it doesn't come from a place of sharing, but that of enlightening a pleb, and so you have to also deal with the retarded flowchart of how you should approach the dangerous beast that jazz apparently is lest it fry your brain or something.

anyway, i happen to like jazz, here's a little selection of my favorites:
https://youtu.be/Y7zMnj7r4SA
https://youtu.be/sCJ5E8AnlWk
https://youtu.be/14cKHcgfUts
https://youtu.be/Z3vACbUETa0
https://youtu.be/GzbnNy4je5U
https://youtu.be/MigYYKlttV8
https://youtu.be/Hp5B64jXbu0
https://youtu.be/b68IyLS7Db0
Anonymous No.128154493 [Report]
>>128147552
>The only Monk I've heard (and enjoyed) is Caravan
The live version from when he got back to playing stride? Based choice if it is, actually some of his best work.
https://youtu.be/Kb9SXfvgikA
Anonymous No.128156514 [Report] >>128159215 >>128160062
>>128154470
>do you feel that there are cool things in the music that you keep missing
This is my main issue I think. I just hear so many great things about it but I'm not getting it like others are
Anonymous No.128157247 [Report] >>128160029 >>128160085
>>128153972
Jazz is noise music with horn instruments.
Anonymous No.128157281 [Report] >>128157441
what music is he listening to?
Anonymous No.128157441 [Report] >>128157766
>>128157281
a random youtube link posted on /mu/ with glowing praise
Anonymous No.128157766 [Report]
>>128157441
i feel personally attacked
Anonymous No.128159215 [Report]
>>128156514
so you're not hearing the interesting things, you're just seeing others talk about it, like the SECOND category i mentioned literally in the same sentence.
sounds like you have no reason to keep trying.
Anonymous No.128160029 [Report]
>>128157247
You use words the same way you think jazz musicians use sounds
Anonymous No.128160042 [Report]
>>128152295
/mu/ once again bringing the most low IQ takes
Anonymous No.128160062 [Report] >>128160218
>>128156514
I think your cognitive dissonance is a bigger priority and issue than an inability to like jazz music
Anonymous No.128160085 [Report]
>>128157247
It's hard for 10 second attention span smooth brains to enjoy I guess
Anonymous No.128160098 [Report] >>128160148
>>128146854 (OP)
Then forget it, you're not into jazz. Why do you feel it's imperative you get into jazz? Not everything is for everybody. I absolutely hate progressive metal for instance, and you do not see me trying to force myself to like it, i simply don't listen to it.
Anonymous No.128160148 [Report] >>128160273
>>128160098
FOMO is one hell of a drug to some people
Anonymous No.128160218 [Report] >>128160258 >>128166445
>>128160062
if you listen to enough jazz the nervous system will kinda bypass the mind or atleast put stuff in such an order that you end up feeling like that is whats happening. kinda like when you play music to dementia patients and it suddenly makes them start to act in a way that they havent been able to act in years
Anonymous No.128160224 [Report]
>>128150256
more approachable but i don't really think he sounds like monk. if you want more accessible monk, the answer is bud powell
Anonymous No.128160258 [Report]
>>128160218
yes but that's not a jazz thing, that's a music and even art in general thing
Anonymous No.128160260 [Report]
Listen to picrel and think of it as a compilation of conversations (tracks); every lead instrument segment is a "voice" speaking (call), and once it's done its conversational partner (another lead segment) will answer (reply).
Anonymous No.128160273 [Report] >>128160353
>>128160148
So it seems, so it seems. Anyway, my favourite jazz album is Out To Lunch, but that would filter the living fuck out of OP.
Anonymous No.128160301 [Report] >>128160571
this is the easiest jazz album to get into
and you can toilet train your cat to it too
Anonymous No.128160314 [Report] >>128160402 >>128161666
>>128146854 (OP)
I find that I hate 95% of jazz out there sounds fucking gay to my delicate ears.
The only jazzists I found that I like are Bill Evans, Miles Davis, and Gerry Mulligan.
Bill Evans especially because he is more like a romantic-era player than a typical jazz player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf02V8AtMag&list=PLDCdjwiC90THpEsxY5fINNX24BJH3p66P&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFoapxPvZy4&list=RDEM0zoxJEg6cybAAcSEOGf_qQ&start_radio=1
Anonymous No.128160315 [Report] >>128160346 >>128160415
>>128146854 (OP)
I fucking hate threads that lingers in the catalog for days just because they get bumped every couple of hours before they get tp page 10.
I don't need to be reminded of suicidal cpntemplation for no good reasons at all, thank you very much.
Anonymous No.128160346 [Report] >>128161666
>>128160315
You heard the man! Lads, bump the thread more often!

OP I'd love a more in depth report of like, your actual experience listening to a song. Bar by bar
Anonymous No.128160353 [Report]
>>128160273
Based, I fucking love Dolphy and that album is his magnum dong opus. It filtered the fuck out of me when I first heard it, I used all the typical cope to describe whey I didn't like it (pretentious wankery, random noise, etc) but now I kneel before its genius.
Anonymous No.128160371 [Report]
>Bill Evans, Miles Davis, Gerry Mulligan...
>The list goes on!
Anonymous No.128160402 [Report]
>>128160314
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf02V8AtMag
this is noir, not really jazz
Anonymous No.128160415 [Report] >>128160464
>>128160315
sounds like you need to get off 4chan and go touch grass
Anonymous No.128160424 [Report] >>128160430 >>128160494 >>128161631 >>128161753
>>128147607
instrumental music is not "songs". songs have lyrics definitionally.
Anonymous No.128160429 [Report]
>>128147964
>(take five is) not really connected to jazz, its more like proto-prog rock with jazz orchestration
one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board. holy shit.
Anonymous No.128160430 [Report] >>128180668
>>128160424
I came all over your pretty little mouth, what now bitch?
Anonymous No.128160464 [Report] >>128160605 >>128160791
>>128160415
good advice. he flippantness of the OP image is pretty annoying, gratuitious and toxic though. if you want to talk about jazz, by all means, talk about jazz.
over and out.
Anonymous No.128160494 [Report] >>128160513 >>128175433
>>128160424
A lot of instrumental jazz tunes are songs though, cause they were originally written as such. In any case, it's completely pedantic to complain about people calling a musical piece a song, even when it technically isn't one. Song is regularly used colloquially to refer any piece of music.
Anonymous No.128160505 [Report]
>>128146854 (OP)
I don't know what exactly you've listened to but I got into jazz via Fusion and stuff like that:
The Bad Plus - These Are the Vistas, Give, Suspicious Activity
E.S.T. - Seven Days of Falling, Strange Place For Snow, Viaticum, Good Morning Susie Soho
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
Return to Forever - Romantic Warrior
from there you can go to jazz-funk like Herbie Hancock - headhunters and modal jazz like McCoy Tyner - sama layuca
Anonymous No.128160513 [Report] >>128160535 >>128160641
>>128160494
don't care
Anonymous No.128160535 [Report]
>>128160513
Concession accepted
Anonymous No.128160571 [Report]
>>128160301
he was big on toilet training his cats
Anonymous No.128160605 [Report]
>>128160464
nta but I like your attitude
Anonymous No.128160641 [Report]
>>128160513
you must care at least a little bit because you responded to my post
Anonymous No.128160791 [Report]
>>128160464
the whole "I'm so like suicidal lmao" thing is so fucking played out and boring. it's not edgy anymore and if you're actually feeling that way go do something about it instead of passive aggressively whining about it online.
Anonymous No.128161631 [Report]
>>128160424
Autumn Leaves do have lyrics though, anon.
Anonymous No.128161666 [Report] >>128161773 >>128161846
>>128160346
>OP I'd love a more in depth report of like, your actual experience listening to a song. Bar by bar
I've been listening to Portraits in Jazz by Bill Evans and Thelonius Alone in San Francisco as well as the Gerry Mulligan piece posted here>>128160314
I've realized two important things from this thread:
>Jazz has a totally different structure
99% of the music I listen to regularly is verse/chorus/verse with a hook so I was approaching jazz looking for that and got filtered
>It's a totally different mood
I think I've realized I do like jazz, I just have to be in the right mind to appreciate it. I was throwing jazz albums on like they were mindless pop songs and expecting to get it instantly. This may sound lame but it's a calmer (at least the stuff I like) mindset that I'm not feeling all the time
The anon talking about FOMO was right, as well as it just pissed me off I could get into literally every other major genre of music besides jazz. I don't necessarily believe there are some genres that people won't ever like full stop, you just have to find the right artist/interpretation, and I've found a few for jazz. Appreciate it anons
Anonymous No.128161700 [Report]
Jazz-blues form got me into jazz. It felt like blues on crack. There's no specific album for it, it's scattered everywhere. You have to listen for the typical 12-bar form. Here's some examples:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w5z1--6I2Xc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uJs2eCqhTN0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-QtwXvu1uGA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=efDrAlwjTZ8


Once your ears get used to it you can go towards rhythm changes which are just the turnaround part of the blues + a B section that follows the circle of 4ths.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YHoBYUWjXh0
This one's actually by Jimmy Heath but that faggot Miles stole it like many other songs.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pse9wHphsPI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HOoZ6zo8HAQ
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9t7Qk8Roayw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zXwXKUrRhPo

Keep in mind that the main goal of jazz is to improvise, so it somehow needs to be not just listened at but also understood. If your ears can't at least appreciate melody and its harmonic context, it's not gonna make any sense to you.
Anonymous No.128161753 [Report] >>128165036
>>128160424
most jazz standards have lyrics that are mimicked by the head melody, retard.
Anonymous No.128161773 [Report] >>128161841
>>128161666
Based comment and glad to hear you're enjoying yourself now, jazz can take a different mindset to appreciate, and it looks like you're getting it faster than most people on /mu/, so good for you
If you want jazz that has more standard forms like verse/chorus stuff, vocal jazz is the place to go, as long as those styles of singing aren't too old and dusty for you
Anonymous No.128161841 [Report]
>>128161773
>If you want jazz that has more standard forms like verse/chorus stuff, vocal jazz is the place to go, as long as those styles of singing aren't too old and dusty for you
Not at all, I stumbled upon Chet Baker and was listening to a few of the songs on his new compilation coming out next month and I liked it, as well as some of his earlier stuff. Samara Joy isn't bad either.
I'm just hoping I'll be able to find more albums I like since I seem to be kind of picky with what clicks for me
Anonymous No.128161846 [Report]
>>128161666
internalizing the melody at the start and listening for the little variations during solos is a good entry point for the structure
Anonymous No.128162733 [Report] >>128163174
>>128146917
did this sound smart in your head
Anonymous No.128162788 [Report] >>128162840
if Kind Of Blue during the late night doesn't click with you, idk what else to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDqULFUg6CY
Anonymous No.128162840 [Report] >>128163463 >>128163553
>>128162788
Kind of Blue is usually the pseud's go-to jazz album. It's a very evolved form of jazz which has a lot of better examples, it's just popular because of the all-star lineup. No good for someone who really wants to get into jazz.
Anonymous No.128163174 [Report] >>128184157
>>128162733
It sounded smart because it it
Anonymous No.128163463 [Report]
>>128162840
>the pseud's go-to jazz album
would have thought it'd be entry level considering Miles.
It's just the perfect soundtrack to a more laid back noir/40s movie to me, which is also why it works well as late-night jazz.
Anonymous No.128163553 [Report]
>>128162840
terrible advice, ignore.
Anonymous No.128165036 [Report] >>128174577
>>128161753
this cracka tryina flex on me with jazz musician terminology
the "head" is the main melody btw
Anonymous No.128166064 [Report]
>tryina
>i
Anonymous No.128166445 [Report]
>>128160218
you're too stupid anon, don't try to understand why you have problems, it won't work and only cause you more pain. just say it's god's plan for you or whatever.
Anonymous No.128169227 [Report] >>128170674 >>128170699
>>128146854 (OP)
im also not that into jazz but these are my favourite albums. try getting into some oldschool jazz or some new more contemporary stuff
Anonymous No.128170668 [Report]
sup is there an archive of all the official ODST sheet music somewhere since Microsoft took a fat shit on Marty?
Anonymous No.128170674 [Report] >>128170699
>>128169227
You'd like this album, based off your chart
Anonymous No.128170699 [Report]
>>128169227
>>128170674
This one too
Anonymous No.128173429 [Report]
i keep going back to stuff ive allready heard and i keep hearing new stuff in it that i didnt before
Anonymous No.128174577 [Report]
>>128165036
>retard thinks simple fact = flex
Anonymous No.128175292 [Report] >>128175302 >>128182336
>>128146854 (OP)
Has anyone ever noticed that you're not allowed to make a thread with "smooth jazz" in the subject field? Try it for yourself
Anonymous No.128175302 [Report] >>128175315
>>128175292
i really like that chart that guy made
Anonymous No.128175315 [Report]
>>128175302
Me too, but I guess the jannies don't
Anonymous No.128175393 [Report] >>128175413
>>128146854 (OP)
You could try jazz-fusion as a gateway, I personally really
Anonymous No.128175413 [Report]
>>128175393
liked Spyro Gyra and Galactic
Anonymous No.128175433 [Report] >>128177277 >>128177433 >>128184388
>>128160494
>you have to let the most ignorant people in your country control your language because... you just do, okay????
Anonymous No.128177277 [Report]
>>128175433
not what I was saying at all, but okay
Anonymous No.128177433 [Report]
>>128175433
If you’re not in conservatory the distinction between song and piece hardly matters. You know what anon means.
Anonymous No.128177442 [Report] >>128179779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXP84ijiLbg
Anonymous No.128179779 [Report]
>>128177442
kek based Spiderman
Anonymous No.128179930 [Report] >>128182352 >>128184033
I feel the same way, but I love modern jazz
Here are my favorites OP

Geordie Greep - Holy, Holy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4EU_0vFzuU

Louis Cole- Things Will Fall Apart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZOkLMXXax4

Snarky Puppy - Lingus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_XJ_s5IsQc

KNOWER - The Government Knows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zH9Zca1vRM

Jacob Collier - With The Love In My Heart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlFD298wTOM
Anonymous No.128180290 [Report] >>128180674 >>128182364 >>128182394
It might just be that you don't like it, there isn't any shame in that. Jazz isn't the only form of art music you can listen to. It's not even the most interesting or artistically profound. Jazzfags are the most insufferable tards on this board specifically because they are elitist over a style they have no right to be elitist about
Anonymous No.128180639 [Report]
>>128148090
This dude knows what he's talking about, and that's considering I haven't listened to all of these records. But Joao Gilberto, Sergio Mendes, Miles Davis, Charlie Parker and Nat King Cole are amazing.
I don't know if this is a good recommendation since it's not pure jazz but I personally love Mint Jams by Casiopea, a generally loveable fusion jazz album. Really funky and good to play while you're working or relaxing, or for anything really.
https://youtu.be/6GEI3PpXEAo
Anonymous No.128180668 [Report]
>>128160430
>becomes violent when challenged
rap fan spotted
Anonymous No.128180674 [Report]
>>128180290
>they are elitist over a style they have no right to be elitist about
I guarantee this "gal" listens to absolute dogshit
Anonymous No.128182336 [Report]
>>128175292
What the hell, I never knew that
Anonymous No.128182352 [Report]
>>128179930
cool bait post fellow 22 year old minor
Anonymous No.128182364 [Report] >>128182402
>>128180290
/jazz/ is infinitely more civil than /meal/, /prog/, /classical/, etc, so you're coming off underaged and touristy with that post
Anonymous No.128182394 [Report]
>>128180290
please tell us all the genres we're allowed to be elitist about so we can make fun of you
Anonymous No.128182402 [Report] >>128183285
>>128182364
I assume he's talking about jazztards outside their general, where he'd be entirely correct.
Anonymous No.128183285 [Report] >>128183315
>>128182402
those aren't even jazzfags, those are metalheads and rockists who act sophisticated because they listen to a bunch of fusion and free-wank.
Anonymous No.128183315 [Report] >>128183465
>>128183285
It's what the person outside the /jazz/ general calls a jazztard.
Anonymous No.128183336 [Report] >>128183447
>>128146854 (OP)
Do not hurt yourself or put yourself in harm's way.

Scott Joplin's rags. Probably have a chocolate milkshake if you're that fed up.
Anonymous No.128183447 [Report] >>128183997
>>128183336
he's not actually suicidal new guy, it's just a dumb old meme
Anonymous No.128183465 [Report]
>>128183315
who cares what they think, half those retards think boring bland albums like kind of blue or ah um are inaccessible gibberish. that's why they always gravitate to rock fusion or free wank because MUH HEAVY or MUH CHAOS
Anonymous No.128183997 [Report] >>128184064 >>128184735
>>128183447
Due to the law in my district I cannot take the risk of not attempting to help mollify a potential suicider. Thank you.
Anonymous No.128184033 [Report]
>>128179930
that first song was so awful i did not bother listening to the other links. not jazz btw, just spazzy rock with 7ths
Anonymous No.128184064 [Report] >>128184732
>>128183997
sucks to be you when people make dumb unfunny jokes on the internet then
Anonymous No.128184157 [Report] >>128184293
>>128163174
actual retard lmao
Anonymous No.128184293 [Report] >>128184365
>>128184157
I may be a retard but you are even more retarded since you can't prove me wrong
Anonymous No.128184365 [Report] >>128184474
>>128184293
Concession accepted
Anonymous No.128184388 [Report]
>>128175433
retard
Anonymous No.128184474 [Report] >>128184569
>>128184365
I accept your concession
Anonymous No.128184569 [Report] >>128184793
>>128184474
>I still concede
Still accept
Anonymous No.128184631 [Report] >>128184659
>>128146917
Following jazz is usually straight forward to anyone who's brains aren't poisoned by the pop/rock paradigm choking the music world. Not having ADHD also helps
Anonymous No.128184659 [Report]
>>128184631
How are all those low level? And high so simple? Shouldn’t it be the other way around?
Anonymous No.128184732 [Report]
>>128184064
It's been a fucking nightmare.
Anonymous No.128184735 [Report] >>128184741
>>128183997
where do you live?
Anonymous No.128184741 [Report]
>>128184735
Rheydt.
Anonymous No.128184745 [Report]
>>128148090
Bird with Strings is not a good intro to Bebop (or Bird) Try the Complete Dial and Savoy sessions.

Remember that before the 50s jazz music was primarily released as 78 rpm singles, usually recorded in sessions of 8 or so sides at a time. So compilations of artists on specific labels (as opposed to albums) are going to be your friend with music from that era
Anonymous No.128184793 [Report] >>128187512
>>128184569
Your concession was already accepted sir
Anonymous No.128184814 [Report] >>128184837
>>128146917
thats the most retarded shit i heard
and played
Anonymous No.128184837 [Report] >>128194826
>>128184814
Samefag
Anonymous No.128184845 [Report] >>128185420 >>128187527
>>128146917
This is kind of right. Listening to jazz as a non-musician is kind of cringe. I already know you can't follow that shit except for on the most superficial terms.
Anonymous No.128185420 [Report] >>128185445
>>128184845
man i was convinced that they just played random stuff, are you telling me that there are people out there who are able to predict what they will play next based on what they have already played?
Anonymous No.128185445 [Report] >>128185975
>>128185420
It's written down for them what are you on about?
Anonymous No.128185975 [Report] >>128191397
>>128185445
does every sound have a name or what? how does that even work?
Anonymous No.128186234 [Report]
I can't tell who's trolling who here
Anonymous No.128186272 [Report]
>>128146854 (OP)
Considering they made Shrek a few years earlier, Shark Tale was such a disappointment.
Anonymous No.128187512 [Report]
>>128184793
>I still concede
Still accept
Anonymous No.128187527 [Report] >>128187726
>>128184845
you want to sound smart so bad lmao
Anonymous No.128187692 [Report] >>128194798
nigger "music" is not good
Anonymous No.128187726 [Report] >>128187856 >>128194826
>>128187527
That wasn't me you samefagging retard lmao
Anonymous No.128187817 [Report]
>>128146854 (OP)
try some vince guaraldi. Made to be universal
Anonymous No.128187856 [Report] >>128187988
>>128187726
most jazz fans don't play music, retards like you just want to sound sophisticated so you make arbitrary appeals to theory or performance. it makes you look superbly out of touch
Anonymous No.128187988 [Report] >>128194776
>>128187856
>most jazz fans don't play music
what's your source for this?
>arbitrary appeals to performance
what exactly are you responding to as a music listener if not performance?
Anonymous No.128191397 [Report]
>>128185975
Each sound corresponds to a letter of the alphabet. And you tell which letter of the alphabet the sound is according to where a black ball is drawn on a grid.

So, find out where the black ball is drawn on the grid, look up what letter of the alphabet that then corresponds to, then find that letter of the alphabet on your instrument (it's not marked, you just have to know) and press your finger down on it.
Anonymous No.128193087 [Report]
>>128148643
Huh, NTA but that's good to know.
Anonymous No.128194776 [Report]
>>128187988
>what's my source for this
listening to jazz on a near daily basis for two decades, taking jazz guitar lessons for two years, attending shows, attending festivals, talking to fans, going online and reading forums, listening to hundreds of anecdotes from interviews, etc. what were you expecting, some scientific study? people who think jazz is some analytical enterprise almost always have a shallow and superficial connection to the artform, and people didn't talk this way for the vast majority of jazz's existence, not even when technical shit like bebop or free jazz were trendy. non-jazz fans just like to assume you can only get into the music from a theoretical/technical angle because they failed to get into it from a more recreational/emotional one
>what exactly are you responding to as a music listener if not performance?
i dont understand the question. i studied music formally, so i was using the word "performance" in a technical manner, as in dynamics and articulation, etc. Maybe that's what's causing the confusion Performance chops and quality always matter to me, but at the end of the day jazz is about great individuality and great inter-communication. i'd rather have a band with amazing chemistry and okay chops than a band that has perfect performance but no ideas or no new moods to present to me
Anonymous No.128194798 [Report]
>>128187692
>pale virgin hands typed this
Anonymous No.128194826 [Report] >>128196670
>>128184837
>>128187726
this larping newfag retard has no idea how to fit in lmao. lurk more.
Anonymous No.128196670 [Report] >>128197289
>>128194826
samefag
Anonymous No.128197289 [Report] >>128197424
>>128196670
Anonymous No.128197424 [Report] >>128198273
>>128197289
That's you
Anonymous No.128198273 [Report]
>>128197424