Thread 128261135

Mozart edition

https://youtu.be/UAvfzzSVfK0

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

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>>128261135 (OP)
Solo Violin > Solo Piano.

>>128261135 (OP)
Solo Clarinet > Solo Violin

Scriabi :3

>>128261354
Violins are so overrated. The piano is undoubtedly better, so is the cello. The harpsichord is better, clarinet, bassoon, transverse flute, the list goes on...

>>128261354
Best solo violin pieces that are not the Bach Sonatas and Partitas, Paganini Caprices or Ysaye Sonatas?

Bach keyboard concertos best recording?

>>128261365
NTA. I don’t agree, but clarinet is underrated imo.
Also speaking of woodwinds, i can’t stand the general timbre of oboe. It’s like the viola of the woodwind section except it can actually project and is less awkward to play virtuosically.

Solo Harpsichord >>> Solo Organ >>> Solo Piano

Viola > Violin

>>128261456
This is truly a hot take. My second teachers least favorite instrument was organ.

>>128261435
Tartini, Bartok, Brahms Sonatas.

>>128261487
Those are for violin and orchestra or violin and piano, not violin solo.

>>128261515
Ok, Brahms is out but the other two are solo violin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNHchF_Rcek

RYM sisters are the best sisters

>>128261453
I'm from the Uk and I've never heard of any of those people or seen them posted anywhere

No one else comes close to the wonderful synthesis of emotions that characterizes Haydn’s mature work in the medium that he invented. Not Mozart, not Beethoven–no one. They are, like Shakespeare’s plays, a unique moment in the history of art in which all of their contrasting elements coexist in a state of perfect balance–“classical” in the truest meaning of the word.

>Today I will remind them

BAB
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>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

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>>128263363
kys

Can people plz reply to this with Mozart's best tune. His catchiest melody. Something that gets stuck in your head.

>>128263390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o69LMa0UUDI

>>128263489
perfect and thank you for the YouTube link. I forgot to mention: plz can u provide YouTube links.

>>128261441
try Chailly's

Tarrega

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEvAk5AR4bs&list=OLAK5uy_kjU-4ax2z938fKnpIqL2JBuguKBemP6u4&index=12

>[Das Rheingold] is the creation of a true giant in the history of art, comparable in his innovation only to Michelangelo. I can now understand Liszt's assessment of the great Wagner when he says it rises above all our epoch's art like Mont Blanc over the Alps. In music there is nobody to approach Wagner.
- Grieg

>For a long time Wagner was the only major composer of the German school. This man of genius, from whose overwhelming influence not one of the European composers of the second half of our century has been able to escape, stood there in splendid isolation, so to speak. [...] The only place where there is true life is in Bayreuth, in this centre of the Wagner cult, and whatever our attitude may be to the music of Wagner, it is impossible to deny its power, its fundamental significance and influence on all contemporary music.
- Tchaikovsky

>You know, about Wagner there is much to write and say – and you can criticize much – but he is undefeatable! What Wagner did none had done before him and nor can anyone take it away! Music will go on its way, leaving Wagner behind, but Wagner will remain exactly like the statue of that poet from whom they still learn at school today. Homer! And such a Homer will be Wagner.
- Dvorak


Accept that Wagner is king

>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Schoenberg or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and Prokofiev

That is all

>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court
>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School
>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms
>No Perotin or Medieval Music

>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it
>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart
>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident
>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE
>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold

Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shit
Below is a list of acceptable Romantics:

>Field
>Chabrier
>Franck
>Tarrega
>Wagner*
>Any of the Russian 5
>Grieg
>Alkan
>Late Beethoven

NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER

>>128263838
>Is there a better feeling in this world?
Scriabi's Diner

>>128261390
Scriabi's deli : )

>>128261354
lmao

>>128263938
Scriabi's deli : )

>>128261365
>clarinet
alto or bass?

>>128263938
Scriabins Gambit

>>128263955
lol that's why he had the moustache

>>128263971
I’d love to see that position but the photo is probably too blurry

>>128263977
He's cute with and without he moustache : )

I remember there were two youtube videos posted about the greatest pianists. One was like the top 20, I think the other was about the early 20th century in particular. But now I can't find them.

Would be much appreciated if some anon could post them again.

>reconnect with friend who likes classical
>they haven't heard of Mahler or Brahms
>recommend them a symphony from each, tell them to make sure to search for X recording
>week later
>they reply they didn't really care much for either
>rest of life wonder if I should have suggested a different recording for each
i take all the blame

>>128265515
what's Mahler's best tune + Brahms best tune? I mean their catchiest melody. YouTube link plz.

>>128265527
i don't know about best but each are up there

mahler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDhb0ztacM0

brahms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxpEa6U2ccI

>>128254919
I do like that Szell 4th more than I used to, thanks for the reminder.

>>128265527
>>128265527
and then if you wanted a Brahms symphony, his third is probably his catchiest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbCls41k5Uo

>>128265540
>>128265607
>and then if you wanted a Brahms symphony
DONKEY. Did I ask for a symphony? I asked for a TUNE. WHAT'S HIS BEST TUNE?????? A TUNE CAN'T BE AN ENTIRE SYMPHONY YOU DONKEY.

>>128265673
s-sorry, just d-d-don't hit me again, ok?

>>128265686
I just... are you one of these people that pretends to like classical music?

>>128257120
i would never in a million years consider drain gang to be geniuses because i could make similar quality music myself if i wanted to. mahler can't fool me into thinking he's a genius in the same way that a down syndrome person can't fool me. i see right through the actions of the tard like observing the instinctual behavior of an animal. there is no deeper artistic expression to be found.

composing for soundtracks is a slopjob. there would be more money for them if they could produce popular music, but they can't. you might get a few points if you're the first person who thought of throwing a bucket paint onto a canvas, but you're not playing in the same league as beethoven and such.

>>128265691
Just returning a silly post with one of my own.

>>128265736
nothing silly about it. I asked for a tune you posted a whole symphony, and an entire symphony can't be a tune. you are ignorant.

>>128257120
>You might not like his melodies
melody is the essence of music. all the orchestration in the world is tinsel without a good melody

>>128265750
The pieces are made up of great tunes. At least a few.

>>128265778

Here is the 3rd movement of Tchaikovsky's first symphony. I point you very specifically to the timestamp 3:10 (ending at 4:59):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7LNNLPfXIQ&list=RDl7LNNLPfXIQ&start_radio=1

That waltz tune that's repeated twice? That's a tune.

>>128265778
where is your Mahler tune, specifically?

>>128265978
>where is your Mahler tune, specifically?
For one example, the one at 11:40

For me, it's the tune from the Andante from Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0O8l1BFsYg&list=OLAK5uy_mbfXcjineA6h5c0QvZaw36VKYGIUq4fM4&index=3

>>128266049
What do u like about Tchaikovsky?

>>128266116
In simplest terms, I like the Russian Romanticism sound and Tchaikovsky makes good use of it.

>>128263390
Last movement from concerto no.24, too lazy to link.
>>128265714
That's not an argument, you're restating what you said previously.
>>128265772
Then how come Beethoven, a terrible melodist, is undoubtedly the GOAT composer?

>>128266221
>Then how come Beethoven, a terrible melodist, is undoubtedly the GOAT composer?
I don't know enough about Beethoven to comment

if you don't like Chopino's Nocturno's, we can't ever be friends or sleep together, sorry

>>128265772
Then how come Bach, a terrible melodist, is undoubtedly the GOAT composer?

>>128266334
>I compare a good melodist to a fine racer, and counterpoints to hack post-horses.

>>128266225
Listening to at least 3-9 symphonies is a prerequisite to posting on /classical/.
Go listen and don't post before you do.

>>128263977
*ahem*
Why?

>>128266221
Beethoven was an expert melodist but he had to sacrifice lyricism on the altar of form and structure which he, being a typical kraut, thought was more important.

>>128266426
so was Mozart just talking smack when he said "melody is the essence of music"?

>>128266494
yes. Frederick Ouseley said the horizontal and vertical aspects of music are equally important.

>>128266564
>The true goal of music—its proper enterprise—is melody. All the parts of harmony have as their ultimate purpose only beautiful melody. Therefore, the question of which is the more significant, melody or harmony, is futile. Beyond doubt, the means is subordinate to the end.

>>128266641
CPE Bach denounced Kirnberger and his father would have too.

>>128266494
That quote cannot be confirmed. Mozart was one of the greatest melodists though, Beethoven was one of the worst, out of all great composers.

>>128266669
Well Donald Duck denounces your guy so fuck off

>>128266680
https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780191843730.001.0001/q-oro-ed5-00007712?d=%2F10.1093%2Facref%2F9780191843730.001.0001%2Fq-oro-ed5-00007712&p=emailAmWCOikAp2fN2

>>128266700
Again, it cannot be confirmed, there is no primary source, the quote started to appear much later after his death and he certainly did not have any disadain for counterpoint, he studied J.S. Bach and mastered counterpoint himself. It is likely fabricated, as are most quotes from most composers. Unless it's from a primary source, you should take it with a grain of salt.

>>128266778
Look buddy, I’m going with Oxford. You know, like.. the university. Idk who you’re going with. Some YouTuber maybe.. which is fine! But like… lower you tone when talking to me.

>Appeal to Authority
look basically you don't need tchaikovsky's second movement or finale of his violin concerto the first is the gonly good part

>>128266801
>appealing to YouTube > appealing to the university of Oxford
Good grief

>>128266791
kys mongrel
>>128266819
What youtube video you absolute schizo?

>>128266860
>kys mongrel
>when I’m proven wrong the other person has to kill himself it’s the rules
Good grief
>>128266860
>What youtube video you absolute schizo?
Whatever YouTube video he didn’t deny getting his info from

>>128266819
let's see...one is from the people's people. hardly an authority on matters of doctrine and dogma concerning the classical arts. whereas, oxford has a history not only of receiving government funding, making it a defactory able to churn out intelligence trained individuals who go on to propell and bolster the so called "trust" in institutions, but also it has a history of falsifying records, a history of manipulating history and a history of just being flatout wrong. despite this, anons keep on trying to bring it and others like it, for example, the imperial college of london's statistics, when attempting to argue a position on an anonymous board. let the record show that it isn't tchaikovsky's second or finale of his violin concerto that plays in my head, it is his first, and it is this first that plays almost insesisntly day in and day out, when i go to sleep and when i wake up, when i take a hsower and when im looking at the crane standing tall like a sentinel amidst his domain. what causes this phenomena to assert things that he himself doesn't know to be true but relies on the reputation and belief in institutions that have a history of lying?

>>128266897
>>128266881
Do you donkeys *honestly think* that the greatest university *in the world* just went “ah yeah just chuck it on the website but don’t say “reputed” or “apocryphal” or “source unknown” - they’ll have to buy the book to get that info - we’ll just put it on our website as “remark to Michael Kelly” and that’s that, fuck it”

Just admit it. Say “I’m a donkey”

>>128266897
>everyone’s lying except the people that deceived me
>Oxford are turning the frogs gay
Get a grip you loon

>>128266932
>>128266983
>bring out the derogatives because i can't reason and logic anymore
by the way comma endochrine disruptors can impact not only fertility but also hormones get fact checked exclamation mark

i have no idea what you guys are arguing about

So, why is classical music called classical music when there exists a period of composers within that genre from the classical period?

>>128267022
Because normalfags are retards.

do you guys think that in order to regain our soverignty from the enslavement we were born in we must first go about renaming things that contain with it an insidious goal? first, classical music will be renamed to romantic music.

>>128267022
It's the same as how art refers to all art but it can also refer to just paintings and visual arts.

>>128266995
>’derogative’ not a word
>actually illiterate
>less-than-goldfish memory forgets the stuff that came before and precipitated the “derogatives”, namely this >>128266932
Good grief

>>128267051
derogative is too a word it comes from the word derogatory and even if the word hasn't been rubberstamped by your authoritative sources like oxford that doesn't mean it doesn't exist let us begin with a question where do words come from and how do they appear? it is this two part question that i want anon to study with serious intent while i go for my early morning bike ride, approximately ten miles there and ten miles back, in the hopes of meeting a girl who has ghosted me and to enjoy my time at the park we met at. i do so enjoy being at parks. reading, listening to romantic music, lately of which is tchaikovsky's first movement of his violin concerto, and sewing the remaining panels on my turkish cotton towel, in particular through ap rocess called hemming. i will also be bringing along some food. please, in that time, consider what i have put to you with the rigor of your own.

>>128267102
Just admit you confused the words ‘derogatory’ and ‘pejorative’ and then say “I’m a good donkey but my legs are tired and this load too heavy for me I need to lie down”

>>128267102
O_O

>>128266244
>Chopino
Anyway, they're undoubtedly very good, but Fauré's are better. His are more varied, subtle, restrained, and controlled. Fauré was the ultimate chad.

Can we still be friends?

>>128267199

c];^]~

What I do like about Schoenberg's Variations for Orchestra is that it refuses to be good. There are moments where it feels like something is forming, but it is cut out right away. Like a student that knows the right answers for an exam but deliberately marks all the wrong ones

>>128267495
Yeah but do u like the student that does such a thing?

>>128263390
Finale to the Haffner symphony. It's just so silly.

>>128267495
kek

>>128261456
Based

>>128267469
Fauro's Nocturnos?

Blacksisters, I kneel...

>>128261456
Organ has infinite possibilities, bass and sometimes dynamics, so even objectively it wins.

I love Bach's organ works

Lovely.
Recommended.

>>128267807
I'll check it out. What's a good name for this kind of music? art classical? lol

I guess just modern classical

>>128267807
never post here again.

>>128267815
Post-classical ig.

>>128267837
That's perfect

>>128267837
buy an ad and slit your wrists you disgusting AIDs ridden faggot.

>>128267823
>>128267854
Why are you like this, anon

>>128267857
fuck off and die. this isn't your blog you spastic nigger.

>>128267864
It's me, your friend

>>128267879
kill yourself tranny.

>>128267469
>Fauré's are better
They aren't.
>His are more varied
I'm not sure how you would measure that. Chopin's late nocturnes are world apart from the early ones. Fauré's are in rather similar style.
>subtle,
There's a lot subtlety, especially in late Chopin, but he's working in more traditional harmony, whereas Fauré's are proto-impressionistic. Chopin is a god for voice leading. And as far as Nocturnes go, op.48, op.55 and the supreme op.62 are unsurpassed. They have the artistic genius of Beethoven's late sonatas fit into much more compact, but equally powerful forms.
>restrained, and controlled.
These qualites don't make them better. Nor is it true. Chopin can please a sissy as much as a virtuosi chad.

since the anon the other day didn't post a link or any info, just a tantalizing picture, I'll do the honors
https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/gramophone-s-recordings-of-the-year-2000-to-2025

2025
JS Bach Mass in B minor
Soloists; Pygmalion / Raphaël Pichon

2024
Ysaÿe Six Sonatas for Violin Solo, Op 27
Hilary Hahn vn (DG)

2023
Nielsen Symphonies Nos 4, ‘The Inextinguishable’ & 5
Danish National Symphony Orchestra / Fabio Luisi (DG)

2022
Korngold Die tote Stadt
Kirill Petrenko, Simon Stone (director) (BSO Recordings)

2021
Britten Peter Grimes
Bergen Philharmonic Orchestra and Choirs / Edward Gardner (Chandos)

2020
Weinberg Symphonies Nos 2 & 21
City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra, Kremerata Baltica / Mirga Gražinytė-Tyla (DG)

2019
Saint-Saëns Piano Concertos Nos 2 and 5. Solo piano works
Bertrand Chamayou pf French National Orchestra / Emmanuel Krivine (Erato)

2018
Berlioz Les Troyens
Strasbourg Philharmonic Orchestra / John Nelson (Erato)

2017
Mozart Violin Concertos Nos 1-5. Adagio, K261. Rondos – K269; K373
Isabelle Faust vn Il Giardino Armonico / Giovanni Antonini (Harmonia Mundi)

2016
Bach Goldberg Variations Beethoven Diabelli Variations Rzewski The People United Will Never Be Defeated!
Igor Levit (Sony Classical)

2015
Bruckner Symphony No 9
Lucerne Festival Orchestra / Claudio Abbado (DG)

[cont]

>>128268013
[cont.]
2014
Brahms The Symphonies
Gewandhaus Orchestra / Riccardo Chailly (Decca)

2013
Bartók. Ligeti. Eötvös Violin Concertos
Hessen Radio Symphony Orchestra / Peter Eötvös (Naïve)

2012
Schütz Musicalische exequien
Vox Luminis / Lionel Meunier (Ricercar)

2011
Dvořák String Quartets Nos 12 and 13
Pavel Haas Quartet (Supraphon)

2010
Byrd Infelix ego – Byrd Edition, Vol 13
The Cardinall's Musick / Andrew Carwood (Hyperion)

2009
Ravel. Debussy. Fauré String Quartets
Ebène Quartet (Erato)

2008
Beethoven Piano Sonatas, Vol 4
Paul Lewis pf (Harmonia Mundi)

2007
Brahms Piano Concertos Nos 1 and 2
Nelson Freire pf Leipzig Gewandhaus Orchestra / Riccardo Chailly (Decca)

2006
Mahler Symphony No 6
Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra / Claudio Abbado (DG)

2005
Bach Cantatas, Vol 1
Sols; Monteverdi Choir, English Baroque Soloists / Sir John Eliot Gardiner (SDG)

2004
Mozart Le Nozze di Figaro
Ghent Collegium Vocale; Concerto Köln / René Jacobs (Harmonia Mundi)

2003
Schumann String Quartets Nos 1 and 3
Zehetmair Quartet (ECM New Series)

2002
Saint-Saëns Complete works for piano and orchestra
Stephen Hough pf CBSO / Sakari Oramo (Hyperion)

2001
Vaughan Williams A London Symphony
LSO / Richard Hickox (Chandos)

2000
Mahler Symphony No 10
Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra / Simon Rattle (EMI/Warner Classics)

Thoughts? Exclusions? Criticisms? Praise?

>>128268013
>>128268022
damn this took more effort than I thought, copy+pasting this over, removing the review excerpts and some of the performer names from each of the recordings to make it fit

Anyway, lots of good pics here. I've never been the best at knowing what year recent recordings came out, so it's hard to think of any albums which where snubbed and unjustly left out

>>128267920
>They aren't
They are.
>how you would measure that
By listening to them all from start to finish, which it seems you haven't done.
>rather similar style
This proves you don't really have an entirely accurate idea what you're talking about. Only the first few could be said to share a "similar style" and even there his chief early influences aren't Chopin, but Saint-Saëns, Schumann (sudden felicities and those codas that briefly but magically illuminate a whole movement) and Mozart (restraint and beauty of surface. This intensifies in the 6th and 7th nocturnes, after which the form becomes ever more condensed. Melodies dissolve into short motifs that permeate the texture through subtle rhythmic and harmonic inflection, even touching on the whole-tone scale. The 13th stands as a summation and apotheosis of his work and the entire genre.
>subtlety
Of course, I'm not denying Chopin. Fauré simply goes deeper. He was French after all: more colorful, yet elusive, understated and enigmatic. And unlike Chopin, he actually developed the form beyond the relatively narrow ternary frame that Chopin employed (with a few exceptions).
>qualites don't make them better
They do and it's true. Chopin's Romanticism is still heart-on-sleeve, even in the nocturnes. He couldn't quite let go of the ornamental excess, those endless figurations and arabesques that were the hallmark of early Romanticism. That kind of emotionalism, however sincere, often verges on bad taste.
Fauré's aesthetic is simply superior and more advanced: introspective, economical and modern in its sensibility. There's nothing of the circus about his nocturnes, they inhabit the same inward world as Brahms's late Intermezzi, of which Brahms himself said "one listener is too many". Fauré's restraint is a strength and the mark of control. It also shows how radically out of step he was with the 19th century Romantic mainstream.
>sissy/virtuosi chad
These aren't the only two kinds of listeners.

Isabelle Faust's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1cdM4bgaPc&list=OLAK5uy_m5vuIemyL33Z3DHYMJ2zgvK_xuZUmF09U&index=6

>>128267920
>>128268097
To be clear, I'm not denying Chopin's brilliance or influence. But he was also a victim of his time, of early Romantic aesthetics that are often naive and melodramatic. As you can see, my point isn't only analytical, it's also aesthetic. Fauré's refinement simply represents a higher stage of taste: inward and suggestive rather than demonstrative and declarative.

feels like a Mahler 4 morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwjBNhb39uU&list=OLAK5uy_nR0fFDVMuDjevrBzLrVa4L0SB_CGPXK2c&index=1

>>128268013
Gramophone loves Abbado's Bruckner 9 that much, huh?

>>128268097
>nuh uh you don't know i know
Nothing of value has been said above.
>more colorful, yet elusive,
Ah, finally some music discussion. Yeah, Fauré's harmony is less conventional. Which has both its own advantages and downsides. Advantages are more obvious: immediate appeal, impressionistic atmoaphere and uniqueness. Downsides are less apparent, but equally noteworthy: less dramatic and functional.
>he actually developed the form beyond the relatively narrow ternary frame that Chopin employed (with a few exceptions).
Speaking of having no accurate ideas. Nocturne itself is not a "form" it's a genre. The forms Chopin employs vary from simple tenary to ABCAB and what not.
>ornamental excess
That's like accusing Bach of contrapuntal excess. You mistake lesser melodicism for better taste, which is pretentious at best.
>often verges on bad taste.
I disagree.
>Fauré's restraint is a strength and the mark of control.
And also a sign of lacking creative genius.

>>128268013
paid shills all of em

>>128266700
>The whole, though it be long, stands almost complete and finished in my mind, so that I can survey it, like a fine picture or a beautiful statue, at a glance. Nor do I hear in my imagination the parts successively, but I hear them, as it were, all at once.
this is true genius unlike mahlerslop

the adagio from Bruckner's 6th is about as good as any of the later 3 but the very finale of the symphony's last movement leaves something to be desired
still would say it's an overall underrated work compared to the rest of his output

>>128268464
Completely agree. Whenever I listen to it, which admittedly is not enough compared to the others given how good it is, I'm always blown away by how spectacular that Adagio is. And how fun the first movement is, of course.

>>128268167
Surprised Hurwitz has, on occasion, ranked this performance among the 4th's reference recordings. It's fine, but not great, certainly not among the best of the best. Levine's Mahler is undoubtedly stellar at times, but sometimes it's just decent-to-solid, and this is one of those times.

>>128268365
thanks schizo sister

a recording of the English Suites for the harpsichord fans here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUGWjzXyXlQ&list=OLAK5uy_nXdtddcdmsz4u0sSDpe6bEkrKuGa065Ow&index=19

it seems Rubsam, the performer, has recordings of the rest of Bach's keyboard works if this appeals to you and want more

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 29 in B-Flat Major, Op. 106, "Hammerklavier"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kezR70-uhG8&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=97

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 30 in E Major, Op. 109
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpvPUCF7Ukc&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=101

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 31 in A-Flat Major, Op. 110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb0XZL8PjQQ&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=110

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 32 in C Minor, Op. 111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDQayhYkiNE&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=112

>Marking Beethoven's 250th birthday in a suitably heroic fashion, Fazil Say has recorded all 32 of the composer's piano sonatas. He sees the sonatas as "a sacred text for musicians" and Beethoven as "A revolutionary composer starting to create music 50 to 100 years ahead of it's time," adding that: "When we interpret a composer's work, we need to remain faithful to it. In other words, we need to feel like a composer. Compositions should be interpreted with the same freshness as a completely new piece of music that has just been created."

Fun, ebullient, and refreshing Beethoven. A cycle any fan of these piano sonatas would benefit to have around.

>>128268584
i'm having a scherzo episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YnsdO1moSw&list=OLAK5uy_n7WYYyxij87v2HdcnHm8MOmYGTQ_4HMdk&index=10

>>128268799
Powerful performance. Lots of propulsion.

>>128268116
>chopin was a victim
Oh pull the other one you fucking DONKEY

reading Mailer while listening to Mahler

>Editor's Caption: This was a 10/10 in Vienna c. turn of the 20th century

>>128269020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJBF_H56Oc

>>128269020
>>128269040
Jerry Seinfeld-esque

Seinfeldian (no misspell underline, damn)

gonna shill this Yulianna Avdeeva recording of selected Chopin pieces one final time, it's very good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L1zz17lIcE&list=OLAK5uy_lpgWC38LWZZWUi3t81BjEqoZl1AcSWzmM&index=4

Liszt... at the opera!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GWvan9Pvf8

>Liszt's third period' may be said to begin with his departure from Weimar, and especially with his retirement to Rome in the middle 1860s. From this point to the end of his life his music contains a great deal of introspection and almost a disregard of the likely fate of many of the works, only a few of which were performed and published in his lifetime. Orchestral works are rare, and the choral works after the completion of Christus tend to be on a small scale without orchestral accompaniment. The songs and piano pieces become starker, and the textures become leaner, even in the few ‘public’ pieces like the later Mephisto Waltzes and Rhapsodies. Leaving aside the late dances, the religious pieces and the great collections (the third Année de pèlerinage... and the Historical Hungarian Portraits), the present recording brings together all of the late character pieces for piano, as well as the piano versions of late works which also exist in other forms.

>It has long been recognized that, in his last years, Liszt grappled with a great many ideas about the possible future that music might take, even prefiguring the destruction of the Romanticism of which he was so much a part. He often anticipated Debussy, Scriabin, Schoenberg and Bartók in just the same way that his younger self had been such an important precursor of the harmonic and motivic techniques of Wagner. There is nothing experimental about this music, whatever a number of commentators have suggested; the breakdown of tonality, the openness of the form, the avant-garde harmonies, the avoided comfortable cadences and the trailings away into silence are the products of intense care. Even little album-leaves take on the characteristics of a new order of musical thinking. Whether the mood is nostalgic, miserable, unworldly, elegiac or even patriotic, the old language no longer serves. And the old virtuosity is almost completely absent: the musical demands far outstrip the purely technical ones.

>>128269632
What’s wagner’s best tune? His catchiest melody. YouTube link plz

>>128269667
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngve9vjYoig
Don't know about "best" but this one always gets stuck in my head when I hear it, much more so than pretty much anything else of his.

>>128269667
https://youtu.be/mc5CIGs4MIQ

>>128269667
Ride of the Valkyries is one of the most famous tunes ever written

>>128269675
>>128269688
I appreciate the responses with links but come on now

what is wagner's best of the best and how come it is rienzi's overture?

Luigi Nono sounds like a sex offender

>>128269809
Link

>>128269843
Mario Yesyes would have been better

The 12 LEAST Evolutionary Great Composers of All Time

Palestrina
J.S. Bach
Richard Strauss
Bruckner
Tchaikovsky
Mendelssohn
Puccini
Rimsky-Korsakov
Saint-Saëns
Prokofiev
Ravel
Brahms

Quite interesting and true.

>>128270003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBjdVjECDSI

>>128270003
No Scriabin

>>128267807
What is it?

>>128267102
Are you the protagonist of some sad modernist novel?

>>128266754
Pic unrelated

The opening theme of Stenhammar 2 is so primal. Feels like music that sounded at the beginning of time.

https://youtu.be/8ey3wdhE1OI

>>128270497
That's a weird description...lol

>>128270540
I don't know, I think it's pretty close to the impression that those kind of stark, folklike themes and the Dorian harmony are supposed to evoke.

>>128270003
Ravel? What?

>>128269809
american centennial march
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaCb7L7yIKE

>>128271488
More likely you're not far enough up your own anus.

>>128271523
Can't spell atonalism without anal

>>128271488
>understand atonalism
What's there to understand? Atonality as in serialism/12 tone technique is one of the most artificial, defunct and lifeless composition techniques ever "invented". The church modes, tonal harmony, extended tonality etc. - are at least somewhat organic. They weren't "invented", they were discovered, across several cultures even, and most notably and intricately in Europe during renaissance, baroque and romantic eras. The serial technique was not discovered, not even "invented", just lazily applied in hopes of "progress" of an already dead tradition. Merely to take the "credit" for something - not to make beautiful, timeless art worth hearing. You can clearly see that phenomenon unfold in his relationship with Hauer, from whom he stole the idea. Schoenberg didn't care about the comprehensibility, the very idea that defined Mozart's works, yet he boasted about "learning everything from Mozart". My ass. He only cared about some arbitrary "progress" into the unknown, like all foolish modernists and their soon to be forgotten "music" that no one cares about.

Still waiting for Hauer's best music to be posted

>>128270497
Sounds like sea faring music . There was an Australian composer someone posted who used digeridoos don't remember waht it was though

>>128270028
In holiday clothing, out of the great darkness by Clarice Jensen.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l_5734y8iZ1s69Ty422a6KwsiQuqqCKbI
Spotted it on the "selling right now" section on the bandcamp homepage.
Since I don't usually listen to classical stuff, I can't say much, so I'll give you the npr article that talks about the album.
https://www.npr.org/2025/10/17/nx-s1-5560196/clarice-jensen-album-review

Liszt... at the opera! sorry for the lewd pic, I intentionally kept it the lower quality version from Amazon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opnS9Mgr6z4&list=OLAK5uy_n0VTck9ArS8KQTrrdvaEm041X--1TAZDk&index=6

No one else loves these Liszt opera transcriptions?

Scriabiddi Toilet

>>128272376
I want to get into them. I pirwted the entire Howard album but there's too much stuff. Which opera transcriptions did you like the most?

>>128272560
I'm still going through the opera transcription CDs myself. I've found they're nice to have in the background and tune in and out. From the first CD, I've especially liked, let's see... the Don Juan (Mozart), Aida (Verdi), Eugene Onegin (Tchaikovsky), Sarabande and Chaconne from Handel's Almira, the Faust (Gonoud), Lucia (Donizetti), the Meyerbeer pieces, and of course, the closing Réminiscences de Norma (Bellini).

Just depends which of the operas you like, I suppose. But yeah, I find for these CDs which are a sundry collection of pieces, it's best to just play in the background and when you come across something you particularly like, take note. It's different than listening to the more 'serious' holistic CDs with the piano cycles on them like Annees de pelerinage or Harmonies poétiques et religieuses where I'd recommend a close-listening. These other ones are more casual and can be enjoyed piecemeal. That's my view anyway.

Oh and of course this Isoldens Liebestod (Wagner) is nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aENCgcmMS9I&list=OLAK5uy_l2J8iddsjQieQ7meTM4OuMS6BrdOAD7tQ&index=9

>>128272698
Liebestod is nice even in its original form, and I'm not a huge fan of opera. Also have you listened to Casta Diva from Norma? This is where Chopin got his bel canto from, his friend Bellini. It's such a beautiful aria:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvBuCLjByaE

>>128271992
so far so good

>>128272832
Hard to not like.

>>128271992
I like this kind of slow burn atmospheric music that doesn't rely on sudden chord changes

>>128269856
>>128270050
https://files.catbox.moe/liqwd5.mp3 she has once again refused to appear, but one thing has let itself known through the study of fairy by reading tolkien's On Faerie Stories. first, the communion with nature, the lake, animals, trees, and yes, even the wind chill, offers an alternative approach to life where we need not be consumed by vice and material gain, nor be corralled into digital panapticons. this truth i yearn to grasp to face ordeals that are beyond me, including, but not limited to, the withdrawal of a girl from a seemingly perfect union. second, tchaikovsky's violin concerto is not that great.

>>128270003
No Rachmaninoff?

>>128273545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFL3Zm5LVgg

>>128274548
meant for >>128271804

if tchaikovsky's violin concerto isn't that great how come it keeps playing in my head??

>>128274591
your taste isn't that great

>>128274591
why did you get AIDS?

>>128274548
Much better than Schoenberg

>>128274599
do you think it's possible for someone with not great taste to somehow develop great taste?

>>128274783
no.

>>128274783
yes

wagner experts please list me the best recording (not performance) of rienzi

>>128274802
go away.

>>128274111
Rach did innovate more than those composers. He started off as a conservative late Romantic, but his 4th concerto shows gradual shift towards modernism, he was aware of Bartok, Stravinsky etc. And he was obviously influenced by Scriabin, especially after his death when Rachmaninoff began playing his music on recitals, and Jazz, specifically Gershwin. There's more progress in Rachmaninoff's music than it would seem on surface I guess. Comparing his early works to his late works, it becomes painfully obvious though.

>>128274591
Whoever says it isn't great lacks taste. It's in the top 3 violin concertos of all time.
>>128274599
Ironic.

>>128266564
The horizontal and vertical aspects of music are both included within Mozart's idea of melody.

>>128274802
Wagner experts don't care about Rienzi.

>>128274802
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WDVbvSyzak

>>128274802
There's a crazy amount of recordings. The first one I'd list of hand would be Solti's, followed by Bohm.

love the sound of viola da gamba desu. hope to buy one next year

do you all happen to discover some totally 'underground' (in today's circles) composers from your preferred period? i do for baroque. there are a lot of overlooked baroque composers, but i wonder if this happens for the other periods as well

>>128278893
I've posted a fair amount of lesser-known romantic, post-romantic, and modernist composers here, yeah. The other day I posted some piano works from an English composer named Michael Tippett.

The 16th Fugue from Shostakovich's Op. 87 is life-changing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5HliPn8ALY&list=OLAK5uy_m_4n-q8buY0UqpUfNZE6QCIKjtAMMN4wY&index=32

>>128279166
it's fascinating how many unknown composers are out there. im finding chatgpt useful to generate lists

>>128279240
>im finding chatgpt useful to generate lists
;o -> >:(

>>128279256
( “・ω・ﾞ)

>>128269689
it's practically infamous with how cliched it is like it's shorthand for a cartoonish helicopter war scene. not that people listen to it unironically. kinda like funeral march and the clown theme.

>>128261135 (OP)
Does /classical/ like old magazines like this? Found this at the thrift shop today, it’s from August 1925. The target audience seems to be piano teachers and normie music enthusiasts, but it’s really interesting to read because there’s some genuinely interesting technical and philosophical discussion. There’s a lot of moralizing and the tone way more earnest than anything you’d read today. I’m totally engrossed.

I love reading old theory treatises and pedagogy but the more general focus of this is really interesting.

>>128280430
>>128280421
>>128280408
>>128280380
Very cool, thanks

>Musicians have learned the evil of buying cheaper grade pianos. The evil of buying cheap radio sets is even worse.

based proto-audiophile, truly ahead of his time

Liszt-Schubert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iRnqJaxiPk&list=OLAK5uy_nO8lFMPvcbZoh9GeC3nDXrXJCzXN9CX_E&index=1

Going through some of these Leslie Howard Liszt CDs has been my new sleep music. It works well because, and I don't mean this in a rude way, because it's so completionist, there's often a lot of middling, borderline filler pieces on these discs -- so long as you avoid the ones with just the major works -- so it's a good combination of lying there, letting your mind wander with some pretty classical piano music in the background, and occasionally something really good will come on, and eventually you fall asleep to one of the more middling pieces because they aren't that distracting.

>>128280380
>>128280408
>>128280421
>>128280430
Great find anon, I remember seeing a cover of this magazine with Debussy, Schoenberg, and Strauss calling them a trinity of modernism.

>>128279187
That cover is so cartoonish

>>128268348
>Nothing of value has been said above
Projection. How very convenient to simply ignore what I wrote. Very intellectually honest, anon
>Fauré's harmony… less dramatic and functional
That assumes "dramatic" and "functional" are the only valid currencies in music. They aren't. You're judging him by standards that don't apply. Fauré's harmonic world doesn't rely on functional tension and release; its logic is one of color, resonance and modal drift. The effect is inward rather than theatrical, but no less expressive.
>Nocturne itself isn't a form
No shit. But every genre gravitates toward recognizable formal patterns. Chopin's nocturnes generally adopt ternary structures, while Fauré gradually dissolves such outlines through motivic compression and seamless continuity. That evolution is exactly what I meant.
>That's like accusing Bach of contrapuntal excess
Very poor analogy. In Bach, counterpoint is structure because it generates motion and coherence. Chopin's ornamental writing often decorates instead of articulating form. It's just virtuosic surface and not constructive design.
>You mistake lesser melodicism for better taste
Restraint and taste aren't opposites of melodicism. Fauré integrates melody into the harmonic fabric so completely that the old melody-accompaniment divide barely exists. His lyricism is distilled.
>Fauré's restraint… sign of lacking creative genius
Quite the reverse. True discipline requires a stronger imagination and the ability to suggest more with less, to distill an idea to its essence without grand gesture. That's the creative genius of Fauré that eludes midwits such as yourself.
You also conveniently ignored the aesthetic argument, which is telling. Either you didn't register it at all or you genuinely believe that the empty grand gestures of early Romanticism are a virtue. I'm not sure which is worse.

It's weird that Schoenberg is often considered the main guy who caused classical music to delve into modernism when he was extremely formally conservative and just thought his system of harmony was neat. I can't hate him as much as I do later modernists who actively did seek to subvert the art. Schoenberg even in his later years wrote tonal works, I think he was just an autistic jew.

>>128282854
some Jews (like Schoenberg) tried so hard to integrate into German culture that they became more spiritually German than the Germans themselves.

>>128282705
>How very convenient to simply ignore what I wrote.
It was nothing of value, and shall be ignored.
>That assumes "dramatic" and "functional" are the only valid currencies in music.
They are when discussing composers such as Chopin and Beethoven. Not the only, but one of the most important currencies. When comparing them to impressionists, these differences must be pointed out.
>its logic is one of color, resonance and modal drift.
Ergo its logic is less strict, lyrical and dramatic, more subjective, and overall less expressive.
>gradually dissolves such outlines through motivic compression and seamless continuity.
Nonsensical word salad.
>Chopin's ornamental writing often decorates instead of articulating form.
Of course, Chopin does not need to reinforce the form with ornaments, he does that by different means. The analogy is perfect, if you take away bel canto from Chopin, you take counterpoint away from Bach. "Virtuosic surface" is a meaningless term, it's highest point of melodicism ever conceived.
>Restraint and taste aren't opposites of melodicisim
That was never said, you twist my words. Taste is almost synonymous with melodicism - specifically the bel canto.
>True discipline
We should refer to the Italian opera for true discipline, not the French.
>more with less
Less as in functional harmony and its simplicity? I completely agree. The grand gesture in question is its gradual decadence.
>midwits such as yourself.
Ad hominems are a great sign of lacking intellect and taste.
Early romanticism and the bel canto represent the pinnacle of music's alignment with fundamental human sentiment, so your aesthetic argument has an entirely false, misinformed premise.

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFIwE0c-BOA

>Mozart never composed a cello concerto

It would be great, guys.

>>128283251
It would be a bland jollyfest like rest of his oeuvre.

For today's performance of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, we listen to the inimitable Glenn Gould.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58nGhKqbWA4&list=OLAK5uy_keWvxGmwrAzKnB28btqo4Fgh6mSGIp9hA&index=30

>>128283251
>Mozart never composed a cell sonata
Mozart a hack

Annie Fischer's Hammerklavier is pretty close to perfection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBlg0RL9a1Q

>>128283920
>It's rather amazing today, when recordings of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier practically fall of the shelves, to recall just how unusual it was back in the 1960s for a pianist to undertake to record this amazing work. It's probably fair to say that until Glenn Gould got his fingers around it, Bach's music was used for teaching purposes more than anything else. What Gould proves in this essential set is that Bach is decidedly not just a threat to hold over the head of budding pianists but a joy to listen to. One of Gould's very greatest recordings. --David Hurwitz

Gould really changed the paradigm, huh? I guess even those who dislike his playing should appreciate his influence.

Can't spell classical without ass.

>>128279240
I ask Chatgpt to generate lists of names that sound like they are lesser known composers from certain periods but aren’t; so that I can be disappointed when I look them up and find they aren’t real.

>>128279533
>a cartoonish helicopter war scene.
Fuck off

now playing

start of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbFa6zvn2qg&list=OLAK5uy_nqF7SrlJdppMESZXM2Q893etxdA2uimIA&index=2

start of Chopin: Four Ballades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svEkFY_jwIk&list=OLAK5uy_nqF7SrlJdppMESZXM2Q893etxdA2uimIA&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqF7SrlJdppMESZXM2Q893etxdA2uimIA

what defines classical? can a piano playing in the background of one of my animes be referred to as classical?

>>128285153
music written within the western art music tradition and all that entails

>>128285153
>can a piano playing in the background of one of my animes be referred to as classical?
Depends on what's being played on the piano.

>>128285222
don't you mean it depends on the type of piano? i mean okay obviously an electric piano is not classical but if the sound is from a grand, forte or harpischord than surely that lands it directly square in dead center of what classical requires??//??/

I should start trying to listen to classical during my walks. It just requires too much focus and I like to daydream and think when on a stroll.

recs for bach's "great eighteen chorake preludes" bwv 651-668? preferably available as a stand-alone set

>>128285251
No.

>>128285262
i listen to classical music, sometimes intently and most other times, about 72.56% of the time, casually, outside and indoors and away from my study, but, when away from home, i typically stick with compositions that have been written on my heart.

>>128285392

ive had time enough to consider your response and although nuanced i feel as though it could use some perspective which is why ive decided to suggest that it not only depends on type of piano but also whether the instrument is generating beauty that might seem subjective if you are an atheist (gross) but no sane person is seriously going to consider jazz or whatever music might use the means of music-making that is normally associated with beauty as classical because jazz or whatever it may be is not that

>>128285331
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4ZPGq2H7yQ&list=OLAK5uy_mXFj4Ze8UbkdqxZIyIE_LvBFY_gaWY4so&index=1

occasionally this general isn't completely fucking useless,

>>128285578
you should remove the f word from your vocabulary

>>128285527
what a sound! terrific. thanks!

>>128285331
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o28V-yHyMrg&list=OLAK5uy_k-lefgaocVckM_ymIQZzNVP2JjUOyi5fc&index=2

let's get modernist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKr04DjzzfI&list=OLAK5uy_kmwueg247dcqUaRa9pVELTjbtWkqGdOdQ&index=1

>Renowned pianist Pierre-Laurent Aimard’s recording of Olivier Messiaen’s Catalogue d’Oiseaux created a sensation when first released on PENTATONE in 2018, and now returns to the market in an attractively-priced stereo re-issue. Aimard had intimate ties to the composer himself and his wife, Yvonne Loriod, for whom Messiaen wrote the Catalogue, a grand hymn to nature from a man who never ceased to marvel at the stupefying beauty of landscapes or the magic of bird song. With his Catalogue, Messiaen tried – in his own words – “to render exactly the typical birdsong of a region, surrounded by its neighbours from the same habitat, as well as the form of song at different hours of the day and night,” suggesting an almost scientific approach to his subjects.

Any piano arrangements of Tchaikovsky's ballets? Or other ballets?

Rare Pepe. Not sure what Gitarrenmusik means though I don't speak Basque or German

>>128285898
>Not sure what Gitarrenmusik means though I don't speak Basque or German
piano music perhaps... wind music?

now playing

start of Fauré: Nocturnes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j7CF1aVSl4&list=OLAK5uy_m9oL7db083mA78uh8mhRpuqisHM6bggVk&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m9oL7db083mA78uh8mhRpuqisHM6bggVk

seems rather quiet

>>128286092
You scared everyone else away

>>128285803
https://youtu.be/-OMqWDm8w8g?list=RD-OMqWDm8w8g&t=19

https://www.jinfo.org/Conductors.html

Is your favorite conductor on the list?

>>128286323
Some of them. Many I love, many I like, many I enjoy.

>>128284757
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmocseAn2NY

12 Major Composers Who Were Mediocre Orchestrators

R. Schumann
Brahms
Busoni
Tippett
Mussorgsky
Chopin
Maxwell Davies
Liszt
Scriabin
W. Schuman
Rubbra
J.S Bach

>mediocre as in they could've done better
Can't disagree!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfp-UCk4I8Q

>>128286079
These are nice, very nice even, but I just don't see how someone can think these are better than Chopin's Nocturnes, they're not in the same universe of quality. A bit hyperbolic, but they aren't in the same tier nor adjacent tiers.

>>128286343
Scriabiddi sighted!

>>128286343
>Major Composers

>Tippett
>Maxwell Davis
>W. Schuman
>Rubbra

>>128286540
Rubbra is one of the greats , a household name even

>>128286343
>Liszt
>Mediocre orchestrator
What? Brahms I can kind of understand, though I personally actually kinda like his style of orchestrating. But Liszt a bad orchestrator? I love his style of orchestration, especially in his symphonic poems. It's very fun.

https://youtu.be/_D2BOho8yoE

Watching the video, I don't really get the point he's trying to make. he says it's bad because it sounds trombony and then yaps about his phone notifications, then he says it's screechy and compact. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I don't hear it at all, Liszt might not have been an absolute master of orchestrating but I adore his orchestral work.

>>128286540
>>128286566
You can't take those videos of his too seriously, it's all just a bit of fun innit?

>>128286566
>>128286343
>Hurwitz complains about liszt being too brassy
>likes Bruckner
MAKE UP YOUR MIND YOU FAT JEW

>>128286343
Scriabi's Hermetically Sealed Chromatic Sludge Diner

>>128286343
>No schoenberg
That's how you know this guy is biased against gentiles. I like Schoenberg and even I can admit his orchestration sucked.

I wasn’t sure where to ask this, so I hope this is the right place. Anybody have recommendations for albums that involve a Lyre? Classical, Modern, or Contemporary.

Hurwitz doesn't know anything about anything you might as well start posting Fantano here.

Hurwitz knows everything about anything you might as well start posting facts here.

Hurwitz deletes like 50% of my comments. He's nuts.

All I said was it doesn't matter whether it was 600 or 6 million we can all agree it's a tragedy that even one Jew survived

>>128286966
thanks chudlet, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>128286966
Well thats a little messed up, I think Judaism should just be banned. Jews aren't genetically evil.
>>128286587
I don't think it's fun to shittalk great artists solely to drum up attention for your youtube channel.

>>128287035
thanks chudlet, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>128287545
thanks chudlet, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

>>128287605
>thanks chudlet, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

new thread can't come fast enough

>>128287847
thank you chuddie, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead?

Josef Matthias Hauer: Concerto per violino e orchestra op.54 (1928)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYRMDuuhBvA&list=RDFYRMDuuhBvA&start_radio=1

What are some good 1 movement symphonies?

>>128287864
it will be the same shit

>>128289386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcEA6XZHBlo

Chopin Symphony no.1 in E minor: I. Allegro vivace, II Allegretto scherzando, III Adagio assai, IV Finale. Allegro - Presto:

https://www.youtube.com/ifuckingwish

>>128287864
I have a Stenhammar edition prepared but you can expect some idiot to post before the bump limit thereby ruining my carefully laid plans.

>>128289541
>thereby ruining my carefully laid plans.
Touch grass. holy shit

the idiot in question: >>128289551

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nObuyJBWy9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nObuyJBWy9g&t=437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nObuyJBWy9g&t=608
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nObuyJBWy9g&=1100

who the heck even is stenhaumer and is that german or what

>>128289817
Stenhammar was Swedish.

>>128289817
Why don't you listen to the music and find out?

>>128289927
but what if its bad

>>128289398
thats a poem, i mean a proper 1 movement SYMPHONY

>>128289932
Yeah you're right, better listen to that awesome hiss recording for the 37th time.

>>128289952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHHfvdAqvn8

I sometimes wonder which composers canonically masturbated

>>128290021
wdym?

9 beloved composers who were HORRID at form

Tchaikovsky
Rachmaninoff
Mozart
Schoenberg
Scriabin
Liszt
Brahms
Chopin
Beethoven
Bach

>>128290043
Like if it was ever confirmed that they masterbated

>>128290044
>beethoven
>bad at form
WHAT

early thread:

>>128290062
>>128290062
>>128290062

NEW THREAD

>>128290087
>>128290087
>>128290087

>>128290073
>Dave Hurwitz
>being qualified to speak about music.
WHAT

>>128290093
please kill yourself.

>>128290021
Mozart did it for sure

>>128290073
that Anon is just posting these to piss us off at this point, I won't even reply with why that list is stupid so as to not encourage him

>>128290614
>at this point
If's just a bait, not even a Hurwitz vid