Thread 128351446

Master Control edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWnkjbjln5g

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>Is [genre/band/album] fit for /trad/?
If you have to ask this, it probably isn’t and you should take what you want to talk about somewhere else.
>When will charts be added to the OP?
Once we finish all of the main 1980s charts and move onto the '90s.

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Previous thread: >>128250110

Prove you're not a faggot and name ONE metal album released within 10 years that you thought was pretty good
I thoroughly enjoyed Dystopia, Firepower was pretty good too, sounded pretty samey though

>>128352182
Cirith Ungol - Dark Parade

>>128351347
I can see what you mean about Ace, but I'm also kind of stumped you thought their stuff was haphazard, cause what I've always liked about them is that they could take something elementary like a riff switch and get it to sound JUST right. they had very tight control over pacing and dynamics in their music.
>>128352182
Herzel - Le Dernier Rempart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiedOra25_o

>>128352482
>but I'm also kind of stumped you thought their stuff was haphazard, cause what I've always liked about them is that they could take something elementary like a riff switch and get it to sound JUST right.
It probably has to do something with me not really liking punk-y music unless I'm in the right mood desu. I flat out dislike normal punk rock, and early Motorhead leans much more into that sound than other hard 'n' heavy bands from that time.

>>128352522
>I flat out dislike normal punk rock, and early Motorhead leans much more into that sound
that's just the pizza effect lol
>1977 punk is annoying
>1977-9 Motorhead influences punk
>1979+ punk still annoying, now with Motorhead influence
it's undeniable Lemmy liked to hang with that crowd, but don't forget Motor originated speed metal while all that was happening on the sidelines

>>128352641
True, and the two albums I've heard recently have made me start to like the band more.
>it's undeniable Lemmy liked to hang with that crowd, but don't forget Motor originated speed metal while all that was happening on the sidelines
I will say, even though they're not one of my favorite bands I still respect them immensely. Just not my cup of tea (from what I've heard, it's liable to change) outside of a few albums.

Picrel is a great obscure cut.

A pretty sharp drop in quality from Spellbound. Most of the songs are very simple and focus mostly on catchy choruses ala Def Leppard; which would be fine if they could pull it off. (Which for the most part, they can't.)

>>128352182
Glacier - The Passing of Time

I fucking love this song, the guitarwork is the musical equivalent of a blitzkrieg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJjIDiKn1VI

Just listened to this one again, and it's much better than I initially thought. Very strong record with a lot of hits, and you can really hear the influence this had on thrash; some of the songs here are fucking FAST for early 1983.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOIRuunUPD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ME9RFaSFBY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3NyWJXH0Uc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHZ9DxauKG4

>>128353619
It's not just me, the singer from Jaguar sounds a lot like Mel Galley, doesn't he?

>>128353961
It's been quite a fucking while since I last listened to Trapeze but yeah I can hear it.

>>128353967
Very similar tone imo though Galley's a bit more gravelly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA--i-oDrEI&

>>128353997
More gravelly, he’s singing in a different style than the guy in Jaguar, and is overall just less young sounding. (Also that is some cool fucking album art, song’s pretty good too desu)

>>128352182
Pretty good as in pretty good-not great, or do you mean in the span of pretty good to masterpiece?

I liked HammerFall - Hammer of Dawn when it came out.

This song is metal imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSqKw32B320

>>128353130
Banger, nice rec

>>128353619
I should revisit the entire NWOBHM scene desu, so many good bands in there

>>128352182
Anything from Saxon.

>>128354202
>This song is metal imo
Yeah it is, that album’s right on the cusp of being a metal album but imo it’s predominantly hard rock
>Banger, nice rec
Wings of Tomorrow is a great fucking album, check these out
https://youtu.be/-FJe2yijNAk?si=0TEp8Bkm_o-RVqek
https://youtu.be/GmyXkBCmqXI?si=I-r92LDw5Yn0-YKl
https://youtu.be/LQl0lh3eeMs?si=qtYiD2L0Dt-yu3uj

You can't go wrong with Samsons Head On my dudes

>>128352641
There is a lot of good punk rock and hardcore punk out there, not for everyone i guess.
Heavy/speed metal influenced riff raging hardcore punk is the good stuff imo. You get the best of both worlds.

>>128352182
Love me Jorn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL7_tV6oZyI
This one's pretty much exactly 10 years old though

>>128358003
Isn’t that crust punk?

>>128351446 (OP)
Based edition. Was blasting it earlier today

>>128357940
I remember listening to this once and just thinking it was okay.

>>128360733
Hell yeah

Hard 'n' heavy with a distinct Deep Purple influence, Midnight Chaser is the standout but outside of that and Way of the Kings this album never rises above baseline "good".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HASQSnBeFY

bump

Any of the originality that was on Metal Rendez-Vous (of which there was a surprising amount) has been sent off into orbit and been replaced with a near carbon copy of AC/DC's '70s style. It's honestly quite impressive how well they replicate it desu.

>>128351446 (OP)
maybe i'm finally getting old, all i want is to listen to old iron maiden albums
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGJnjSATu50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGqbJiq675s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inKtFIKe68o

>>128364620
You should listen to their debut again, to me it has their most satisfying deep cuts from the classic run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNv1MZn8MBY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHl3mKBzVLo

>>128364675
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXlhsrIzmpo
way ahead of you friend

>>128361532
Nice.

Have you heard Black Bonzo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxaR0ulhvTw

>>128364754
Never heard of 'em, no.

>>128364767
>GURPS, Steve Jackson Games, 1991
So what did the guy who made that book just use Master Control's album cover for the front or was it just stock artwork?

>>128364780
No surprise. It was what White Spirit reminded me about.

>>128365093
Just listened to that song, I hear some White Spirit for sure but I'm also hearing quite a bit of Uriah Heep.

>>128365614
Yep, very Uriah Heep.

Later bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkTAkBLWBJM

I had a dream in which I asked Eric Adams about Manowar re-recordings.

>>128358003
yeah, I'm aware. I like some select hardcore and grind, the problem is the bad stuff can get REALLY bad and digging for gems is very exhausting.
>>128365777
nite anon. btw, I let things slide but I'm still waiting on your impressions of Hammerheart lol

>>128365879
did he say he's contractually barred from giving an answer? lol but for real, I hear di Maio got him to sign a slave driving deal and he can't even meet fans without wearing that stupid chest plate.

Overlorde - Return of the Snow Giant (2004)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/dpufnc4peq4tyku/OVERLORDE_-_2004_Return_Of_The_Snow_Giant_%2528MP3%2529_LionWarrior__.rar/file

USPM. strong comeback from this 80s band featuring both old and new material.

>>128352182
This was pretty good. Not as good as their older albums, but nothing ever will be anyway so it's not a fair comparison.

bump

>>128365911
>nite anon. btw, I let things slide but I'm still waiting on your impressions of Hammerheart lol
Ah sorry, I forgot about it. I'll give it a listen.

I really liked it! I'd argue the last song spends too much time building up atmosphere (though it's still good), and that Quorthon's gets a bit strained at points but otherwise I had no issues. Excellent epic doom.

>>128370892
Based.
This is my second favourite Bathory record, after Under the Sign of the Black Mark. Although it's pretty close.

I really liked it! I'd argue One Rode to Asa Bay spends too long building up its atmosphere (though it's still good), and that Quorthon strains his voice at points; but otherwise I had no issues. Excellent epic doom.

>>128370933
I can see why. While I think Under the Sign of the Black Mark is the better album overall, this was still very enjoyable.

>>128371016
I don't get black metal. Is it an acquired taste or does it just click for certain people? I did like this album but I don't think I understand it really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvGPAVTYfXI

>>128371056
>Is it an acquired taste or does it just click for certain people?
Both I guess, but Bathory - Hammerheart is not black metal.

>>128371056
>I don't get black metal.
Hammerheart isn't really black metal. There's undertones throughout but musically it's pure Manowar worship.
>Is it an acquired taste or does it just click for certain people? I did like this album but I don't think I understand it really.
Acquired taste for me, though it's not something I listen to often.

>>128371016
highly recommend checking out Twilight of the Gods as well, it feels like a logical, unfollowable endpoint both for this style and for Bathory as a whole. of course that was not meant to be (for long), but it's definitely a unique album in their discography. btw: Paul Lundberg, the drummer on UTSOTBM, is the reason Quorthon pivoted to this epic sound, since he's the guy who got Quorthon hooked on Manowar during those sessions. the aborted Blood on Ice recordings would shortly follow and the rest is history.

>>128372314
>highly recommend checking out Twilight of the Gods as well, it feels like a logical, unfollowable endpoint both for this style and for Bathory as a whole.
Just downloaded the record, probably won't check it out for a few days tho
>btw: Paul Lundberg, the drummer on UTSOTBM, is the reason Quorthon pivoted to this epic sound, since he's the guy who got Quorthon hooked on Manowar during those sessions.
Interesting, from what I heard on the record it seems he was a big fan of Into Glory Ride in particular, there's so much influence from that particular album

>>128372399
yeah, that album was a defining influence on later Bathory. hell, the title track on Blood Fire Death straight up rips the riff from Gates of Valhalla lol

Culprit - Guilty as Charged (1983)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/s2ckbvsaae9089f/Culprit_-_Guilty_As_Charged%2521.rar/file

NWOBHM tinged US heavy, enjoyable stuff.

>>128372545
I remember that record being similar to early Queensryche and being fairly proggy for 1983, was pretty good desu

Pretty fucking epic, reminds me of Helstar's first two albums and Thundersteel. I also really like that the production here isn't sanded to hell and back like a lot of other modern albums are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iNGaqUQSL0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmXX9ZdaHiQ

Sword - Metalized (1986)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/mz2dd4lumw7kpr9/Sword_-_Metalized_%25281986%2529.rar/file

now this is real fucking heavy metal. I wasn't going to post another album today but I've been blasting this on repeat and it's too good for a youtube link.

>>128373467
Wow I haven't listened to that one in a while. All I remember is that it had a REALLY cool guitar tone.

>>128373498
everything about it is cool as fuck. above all the songwriting is TIGHT, not a second wasted here.

Last two songs are excellent, but the rest of the record is a step down from Tyranny & Mutation. I can't describe it but some of the songs here just don't have the same punch that T&M's did.

>>128373766
the vocal arrangements lean into musical theater at times, maybe that could be the reason. idk, just playing devil's advocate here, I couldn't rank the first 3 BOC if you pointed a gun to my head.

>>128373946
>the vocal arrangements lean into musical theater at times, maybe that could be the reason.
That could be it, yeah. I don't really care for when this band experiments (because they always pull from genres I don't give a shit about) desu. This type of stuff is when I think BoC is at their best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBwSuqsH_sI

Mondo Generator fucking sucks but the rest of the album's great. Highlight for me was Freedom Run, that song's really cool.

Obsession - Scarred for Life (1986)
https://files.catbox.moe/8q38e2.rar

I remember really liking this when I checked it out earlier this year. Off memory the sound was similar to Fates Warning's first record and Lizzy Borden.

>>128374049
yeah, that's their most hard hitting album, I can see how that stuff could be annoying if you honed in on this side of the band. that said I think they were always very good at coherently integrating unlikely elements into their music, even if they became less consistent at it over time. imo it wasn't until Agents when the eclecticism started to tip over into producing gimmick songs, although that one and Spectres are still very good albums.
>>128376404
nice, I'll check this out when I have some more time later today.

>>128375099
>MY HAIR IS
>REAL LOOOOOOONG
>NO BRAINS
>ALL GROOOOOOOIN

>>128375099
Thought Cocaine Rodeo was good

>>128373766
I pissed a bunch of people off by playing this over the speakers when I used to work at a dollar store in the sticks. Oddly enough, several enjoyed Black Sabbath's Heaven and Hell album but disliked Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. A big fat woman in a jean dress referred to A National Acrobat as "flag-burning music".

We got away with it by blaming the music choice on our fat cantankerous manager who wasn't even working that day.

>>128380291
Seriously? A National Acrobat? You really must be in the sticks. My coworker was bitching about Avenged Sevenfold and Suicidal Tendencies being "yelling in his ears"

>>128380291
>Oddly enough, several enjoyed Black Sabbath's Heaven and Hell album but disliked Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.
>A big fat woman in a jean dress referred to A National Acrobat as "flag-burning music".
The main riff is droning and pretty psychedelic, it's probably 'cause of that.

Some filler (and Ozzy's voice is now more shrill for some reason) but overall a big step up from Vol. 4 across the board. Favorite song was Killing Yourself to Live, a surefire top 10 Sabbath song.

>>128375099
I know the vocals are weird as fuck but I thought mondo generator was alright

>Freedom Run
That was also my favorite for a good while. Really cool progression. I love that groovy guitar that steps in after the build-up at around 2:20. Super cool trippy intro too.

Lately, my favorite has been "Thumb." That deep rumbling guitar over the aggressive drumming is heavy as fuck
>YOUUU TRIED TO TURN ME OFF BUT YOU COULDN'T EVEN TURN ME DOOOOOOWN

>>128381239
>Some filler
Who Are You gets my vote for the most annoying melody on their first 6 albums, it's insufferable.

Anyway, finally blasted picrel fully. The songs may be samey but still a fun listen. I'm also shocked how clean it sounds for an 1980 debut.

>>128381777
>Lately, my favorite has been "Thumb." That deep rumbling guitar over the aggressive drumming is heavy as fuck
That one was really fucking cool, yeah. Loved how crunchy it was.

>>128381878
Good song but Looking for Today was the only semi-weak point of the album for me. (Well, besides Fluff which is nothing more than an extended interlude.)

>>128382488
>I'm also shocked how clean it sounds for an 1980 debut.
Clean, yes, but there are some obvious fuckups in the mixing. Just listen to this section of the extended solo at 2:16 lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_V35bFfXfw

>>128352182
Enforcer - Nostalgia
https://youtu.be/omcB6CDqoWM?si=bzXl-5sArgmezFGV
https://youtu.be/C5NggKf2uBo?si=rYRYDxayfFDzaw8V

>>128371056
I am mostly trad when it comes to my metal tastes, but i do enjoy death metal. I don't like black metal all that much, i think the song writing sucks.

It's a lot better than Night of the Demon but still suffers (albeit not to the same extent) from being front-loaded. Outside of Strange Institution I don't think I'd want to listen to anything from the B-side again.

>>128371056
personally i can appreciate some meloblack or melodic black-death (like windir and dissection) but i prefer death metal wayyyyy more

All killer, no filler. Soldier of Fortune, the title track, and Killer Without a Cause are all flawless songs and the rest of the record isn't far behind.

Probably the only good attempt at making a Blackened Heavy metal album ever. Honestly better than most black metal coming out at the time

>>128386553
I hate how Dear Lord switches into a Fight or Fall tier ballad after that incredible intro riff. such a bad way to end the album, like they ran out of gas at the last moment.
>>128386869
check this out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e64SnWxfPMw

Just put on Orgasmatron and holy crap, the production and ESPECIALLY the drum sound is fucking garbage. What the hell happened? Another Perfect Day sounded great.

>>128387223
tl;dr Bill Laswell submitted an unauthorized mix to the label after fooling the band with a decoy.

>>128387347
For what purpose? Was it just to make the band sound more mainstream and in line with rock albums from around this time?

>>128386869
I think The Underground Resistance did a better job at that desu

>>128387347
Who would ever hire him again after that?

>>128387380
he just wanted to do it his way and he wasn't going to have a mere metal band tell him what to do. presumably he only created the decoy mix to rub it in. Lemmy talked about it a bunch, Laswell was trying to go for a hip hop influenced sound.
>>128387400
he was hired by the label and they were satisfied with the mix.

Swing and a miss. Production sucks dick, and the songs went in one ear and out the other. Mean Machine was the only song here that I liked.

Is hair metal /trad?

>>128387519
you didn't like the bookends? fucking bulldozers, esp the title track. other than that I think we're on the same page, always thought this one was overrated.

>>128387562
Read the pastebin

>>128387583
>you didn't like the bookends?
Nope. The title track was actually my least favorite off the record lol, thought it went on too long and there wasn't enough energy. Also Lemmy's vocal performance sounded kind of retarded.
>always thought this one was overrated.
This record's overrated? Holy shit, how? There's NOTHING HERE THAT WASN'T DONE BETTER ON PREVIOUS ALBUMS!

>>128387607
>This record's overrated? Holy shit, how?
I think it's just because it introduced the band to a new generation of fans. any album they could've released in its place would end up being nostalgic to a shit load of people.

>>128387710
>I think it's just because it introduced the band to a new generation of fans.
Fair enough. There was a 3 year gap between Orgasmatron and Another Perfect Day after all.