Thread 128356494

Greatest man in the universe who has ever lived or will ever live edition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK4z0iM-VxU

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

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Chopin saved humanity.

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 11, Op. 22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVe8JhQXgWo&list=OLAK5uy_nF9e-0tZgsPc_NlUKdacw0TFr7QyXCJR8&index=37

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 12, Op. 26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BZfO3nwWus&list=OLAK5uy_nF9e-0tZgsPc_NlUKdacw0TFr7QyXCJR8&index=41

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 13, Op. 27-1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KNG5PUvdko&list=OLAK5uy_nF9e-0tZgsPc_NlUKdacw0TFr7QyXCJR8&index=45

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 14, Op. 27-2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgtLvOCBQz0&list=OLAK5uy_nF9e-0tZgsPc_NlUKdacw0TFr7QyXCJR8&index=49

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 15, Op. 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAcJcrxPZTA&list=OLAK5uy_nF9e-0tZgsPc_NlUKdacw0TFr7QyXCJR8&index=51

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nF9e-0tZgsPc_NlUKdacw0TFr7QyXCJR8

A lovely feminine, modern Beethoven cycle. Those who like their Beethoven fast will probably hate it though.

>>128356438
>Against Mozart:
>Mahler

utter nonsense. dude absolutely loved conducting mozart operas.

Any orchestral suite versions of Mozart's operas? I've said it before but if I were a contemporary composer, one of my primary sources of artistic labor would be composing orchestral suites of all of the great operas, so those who don't like opera can finally enjoy some of the great music from Verdi, Mozart, Wagner, Puccini, Rossini, Janáček, Strauss, etc etc

>>128356570
And? He also conducted Tchaikovsky who he was also critical of. Mahler probably liked Mozart, but did not "adore" him like the anon claimed. Neither did Debussy. And if you only accept a straight hateful attitud, then of course we even have that, which is Ives.
Most composers would find it unreasonable to make hateful comments even if they did not like particular composer or style. If we had all their thoughts, who knows what we'd find.

>>128356597
That would be arranging, not composing. Anyways, at least for Wagner this already exists. Maybe you can comission the guy for some Mozart arrangements if you aren't a poorfag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PBhlPeTJ_g

>>128356633
>Mahler probably liked Mozart, but did not "adore" him

he did though.

Sorry folks I just don’t like Bach’s violin sonatas and partitas

>>128356671
don't be sorry for us, be sorry for yourself.

Hmm, which Mahler 3 do I wanna listen to today... Bernstein? Chailly? Litton? Lopez-Cobos? Salonen? Tilson-Thomas? Ahhh there's so many great ones!! They do each perform the work differently, presenting and emphasizing distinct emotions and colors, so it often boils down to which emotions and colors I wish to hear expressed when choosing between performances which are all superbly played, but still

>>128356633
I was watching a video with Glen Gould and Humphrey Burton and they were disagreeing about something and not once did either of them call the other a tranny or a retard. I was surprised

>>128356671
Took me a bit for them to really click, don't worry. Just remember to continue to revisit them from time to time, and one day they will for you. Oh and make sure you try different recordings each time too, because often that can make all the difference.

>>128356685
I’m not sorry for you my g

There is no composer or classical musician who doesn’t adore Mozart and Bach snd Beethoven. And loving Scarlatti and Scriabin (I love them too) isn’t a personality and doesn’t make you sophisticated

You see the contradiction don’t you?

Scarlatti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkN8h63vd8w&list=OLAK5uy_lEXOM53ZAlVPiZuVmf731UVuu5SjlSrgQ&index=1

>>128356798
That’s his 312th best Counterpoint

>>128356494 (OP)
Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTxO7hmQ1W4&list=OLAK5uy_lsCxbtUsCF7oIm9AEgnFFIshpWuNTxgog&index=7

>>128356633
you could not possibly know any less of what you are talking about

>>128356798
Sounds like the theme song to a kids tv show about a cartoon mouse that solves mysteries

Evelyne Crochet's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skeKp0oaKsc&list=OLAK5uy_lLEIjegJiRKvzLuCTdgR56v83YrGu31ds&index=43

>>128356314
What the fuck are you talking about? No offence, but it looks like you didn't even read my post and projected some nonsense onto it. You completely missed the point. I literally said at the start
>Everyone already knows Bach, Mozart and Beethoven are the greatest, nobody's disputing that.
That's not me saying "Shakespeare? Pah." It's the exact opposite, it's acknowledging their greatness and then saying it's boring to keep repeating the obvious forever.
Developing taste isn't about pretending the canon doesn't exist, but about understanding why it exists and then exploring beyond it. You've got the logic completely upside down. Scarlatti and Scriabin simply do things those three don't. That's literally a fact and it has nothing to do them being better or worse. It can even mean going deeper into those three greats, like appreciating Mozart's eccentric 15th piano sonata or his late fantasias instead of just the most popular pieces.
My post was reacting to the mindless attitude of people who think parroting "Bach, Mozart, Beethoven are the best and everything else is irrelevant" is itself a sign of sophistication. What fucking bitterness are you talking about? What bemoaning of their popularity? Can you even read?

>>128356646
>>128356665
>>128357021
Sigh... Way to deflect from my original statement, in which I claimed certain composers did not adore Mozart, and Mahler *was* one of those composers, and I also provided 2 additional examples.
You can't convey Mahler's thoughts and philosophy in one post, you will have to search deep into his letters and writings, he valued Beethoven and Wagner above all, everything else was secondary to him and his philosophy, of Mozart he probably only really "adored" the opera, because it's programmatic, otherwise he thought of him as less deep and profound, and if you don't care enough, why are you even talking?

Best sonata-allegro tone poems? Doesn't have to match the textbook form to a t, just have the basic 3 sections

It's official, instruments have sexuality now.

>>128358833
That guy has to be a tiny hat, you can tell by how he mixed sexuality with classical instruments.

>>128358890
he is but that's not how you can tell

>>128358841
Weird way to spell Ives.

>>128358911
You don't see the logic of my method? Only a white woman or a chosen person would bring up sexuality/gender in this context, since he's obviously male he has to be a tiny hat.

>>128358833
This has been know for a while trombones are male

>>128358945
>only someone feminine would bring up sexuality/gender in this context
by that logic you could have just as easily concluded that he is gay

>>128358841
Based, I hate Steve Reich with a passion aside from his 70s-80s music, but he great taste i'll give him that much. However my taste in romanticism is more in line with Debussys taste like Chabrier, Wagner, Russian 5, Franck and Grieg

>>128358890
You can't tell just from how he acts and looks that he's not Jewish?
NGMI

>>128357512
>probably

nice "proofs"

>otherwise he thought of him as less deep and profound

citation needed

>>128358976
Which is trans?

So..here's a question for you anons. I don't really visit this thread, but, I guess I ought to ask...

I've been listening to a lot of Erik Satie's work lately. Gnossienes and Gymnopedies. I like 'em. Listened to all of them. But it's getting a bit repetitive. Are there some other works which are generally similar in 'feeling'?

>>128359053
*he is Jewish

>>128359162
Start with Chopin, nocturnes, etudes, preludes, waltzes. Then move to larger scale works, the ballades (along with scherzi, sonatas etc.) - which are pretty much some of, if not the greatest solo piano music ever composed(particularly the last one). 1st ballade is pretty iconic and accessible (so is the 2nd).
Satie is minimalistic, his style is repetitive. But the entirety of the French romantic school owes its existence to Chopin.

>>128359209
>Chopin
Anon, I've seen Chopin used as MEME music. Quite regularly too. His stuff is good but I've definitely already heard it. He's pretty damn popular.

>>128358890
>>128358911
>>128358945
I love how he predicted the politically charged schizos like you in the video. lawl

>>128359221
You really heard everything? The polonaises, mazurkas, fantasy too? All the great recordings? I highly doubt that. The "meme music" is like that one eaely nocturne and probably the funeral march. But oh well, if you insist, check out Liszt's harmonies poétiques et religieuses, annees de pelerinage, Fauré's nocturnes, barcarolles and ballade, Scriabin's etudes op.8.

>>128359233
You're just trying to trick them into watching the video you asshole


Strauss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RSYHgr3sQA

>>128359264
>You really heard everything?
I've heard a good deal of Chopin, yeah. The meme was just a comparison of the popularity of his works.

Anyway, I guess I'll check those out.

>I've been listening to elevator music a lot lately. Are there some other works which are generally similar in 'feeling'?
>Uhhhhhhh... how about Chopin, Liszt, Fauré and Scriabin? Those always put me to sleep lol

>>128359162
Gymnpedos

>>128359278
>I've heard a good deal of Chopin,
Well then. I assumed a Chopin connoisseur would find his ways around on their own. I'd add more Scriabin, specifically sonata no.4 and fantasy in b minor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvc2K_5JWho

Scriabin is just Chopin after a couple of drinks

>>128359337
>Well then. I assumed a Chopin connoisseur would find his ways around on their own.
yes well unfortunately i am lazy

Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9UKUTNAzoI&list=OLAK5uy_k6Rvvza2FG49QPN5Bv0wloZzLFmuBQcmM&index=42

List of greatest composers: Alkan, Mendelssohn, Goldmark, Meyerbeer, Offenbach, Dukas, Mahler, Bloch, Weill, Schreker, Gershwin, Schoenberg, Copland, Waxman, Bernstein.

>>128359162
Poulenc's piano music kinda

>>128359896
The most powerful, uh, group in the world.

>>128359896
For me it's Schnittke and Ligeti.

>>128360177
Ligeti more like spaghetti lmfaoo

Favorite recording of Szymanowski Mythes?

Blow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5K3ReU7LGk&list=OLAK5uy_ncubDK-97sowY_0krpCgt361cWTzx-KsU&index=10

>>128358890
He is Joowish, but he seems centre-right coded

>>128360346
he's a stereotypical boomer liberal

>>128360346
>>128360356
He's a reasonable, intelligent, jewish guy with a great sense of humor. My man.

Bumpakovich

Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnVANB7IbPM

now playing

start of Chopin: Four Ballades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kSCjj-YbKY&list=OLAK5uy_lr0s46M5u_W-36WyCny53Iz3eCLK8wQjw&index=2

Chopin: Berceuse in D Flat Major, Op. 57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkwfq_GPM5Y&list=OLAK5uy_lr0s46M5u_W-36WyCny53Iz3eCLK8wQjw&index=6

start of Chopin: 4 Mazurkas, Op. 17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YaX6vapD9U&list=OLAK5uy_lr0s46M5u_W-36WyCny53Iz3eCLK8wQjw&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lr0s46M5u_W-36WyCny53Iz3eCLK8wQjw

I've wanted to explore a wide array of recordings of Chopin's Ballades for a long time, so finally gonna get to that. If anyone has any recommendations for worthwhile recordings of them, I'm all ears!

>>128363255
>Yundi's way with the Ballades suggests an asexual version of him, where intimacy is viewed objectively, passion is manufactured and kept under control. --- Gramophone

WHAT!?

I mean I get it but that's a funny sentence

I need recs.
Who are the most talented living composers?
When talking about talent I mean it in a somewhat traditional musical sense, like having really strong intuition for orginazing resonance and dissonance into something that just "feels right", isn't pretentious, but still stands out, is cathartic and powerful

>>128363264
It's really no wonder that so many people don't listen to Classical anymore. Between pretentious drivel like that and opera directors who are addicted to the smell of their own farts, it's a miracle that it's still around.

>>128363255
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkEyFLaRNJ8
https://youtu.be/PvVXS5VZDwk?t=567
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt-t5kE5Ebk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqPN4gXy834

there are many more

>>128363334
I guess the prewar perspective is important too. Thanks hiss sister, I'll give 'em a try.

>>128356494 (OP)
Bach > Choppin
but Choppin aint bad tho