Thread 128414985

Brahmsian edition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4YqWXmF9Dg

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>128380106

Already a thread, my bro

>>128415000
>ctrl + f /class
Really? I don't see it.

Brahms... I like his scherzo op.4. That is all.

>>128414985 (OP)
new release for january. could be good.

>>128415093
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LHnlh2HWWY
>>128415105
Perhaps, i just dislike how forcibly cheerful the brandenburgs sound

>>128415127
one of my favorite arias from the bach cantatas orchestration-wise (melodic content as well). magical woodwinds!

https://youtu.be/udbicqOI4GI?si=zkGs3Ug5LLe0O0eU

>>128415127
and bwv 34 is absolutely amazing btw. that aria is one of the most beautiful things ever written.

https://youtu.be/HtO51oSkz84?si=rc5O-z3wKFYwLHBx

>>128414985 (OP)
He thicc

>>128414576
>15:18 isn't really that fast for the Adagio, but that first movement is egregious beyond belief.
15:18 is fine for an Adagio if the first movement is 9-10 minutes is what I'm getting at, haha. With a 14 minute Allegro, shit, the Adagio should be ~20 minutes lol, the ratio is my primary complaint

>>128415124
Nice, really like Anderszewski, and can never have enough recordings of Brahms' masterful, poignant late piano works. Thanks for the ratio.

Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCN1hOIdTGk&list=OLAK5uy_mnp3pZ16mbbOh57otl9OrEfFzpxOem-eE&index=35

Which of Beethoven's piano concertos do you listen to? 1-5? 3-5? 4+5? Or just 5?

>>128416076
all five baby

I've always found it surprising Uchida doesn't have a complete cycle of Beethoven's piano sonatas. In fact, she only has the late sonatas/final five. Yet she has a complete Schubert and Mozart, and two complete sets of Beethoven's piano concertos! One with Sanderling/Concertgebouw and one with Rattle/BPO.

>>128416076
Just 5.

>>128416076
only 4 & 5.

>>128416160
i really like her 110 from that disc. for 109 and 111 i go elsewhere.

>>128416076
None. Beethoven is garbage.

>>128416222
Fortunately we're all spoiled with such a gluttony of great recordings of the late sonatas, there's no reason to settle for anything less than one's ideal performance.

now playing, finishing the Harnoncourt Beethoven cycle

start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 7 in A Major, Op. 92
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3FE17sCmJo&list=OLAK5uy_mhl7h2vB4y_RmHF04Q7nE6ZKoVAIvUXUg&index=31

start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 8 in F Major, Op. 93
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFbtyCuYDD4&list=OLAK5uy_mhl7h2vB4y_RmHF04Q7nE6ZKoVAIvUXUg&index=15

start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 9 in D Minor, Op. 125 "Choral"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E0KTuIYReA&list=OLAK5uy_mhl7h2vB4y_RmHF04Q7nE6ZKoVAIvUXUg&index=34

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mhl7h2vB4y_RmHF04Q7nE6ZKoVAIvUXUg

So far, really liking it. I can see why Hurwitz considers this one of his reference cycles. And I'll check out the Harnoncourt/Concertgebouw 3rd someone recommended after I finish these, thanks for the rec.

>>128416076
Brahms 2

>>128417449
yes, Brahms perfected the piano concerto, we all know this

>>128417481
Nope, sorry. This fella did.

Favorite recording(s) of Schubert's Drei Klavierstücke, D. 946? Also, huh, on pulling the name from Wikipedia with the accent mark, turns out these sets were initially meant to become a third set of Impromptus, didn't know that. I always thought they had much more narrative cohesion than the other Impromptus, which is why it's so unexpected to discover this -- maybe it was in my head, or the other Impromptus have more cohesion than I thought, or he switched it up, who knows. Anyway

>>128417914
POLLINI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Ve6OfT7Ow&list=OLAK5uy_mVVSDaWUVvxCDP5yZuc1LVPcws4b9brDI&index=14

dododo dododo dodo dodo do do

so catchy. that's what Schubert does tho

Scriabiddi Toilet!
JOE JOE
Scriab is using Wagner's language
Wagner's language

>>128418000
Wagner is using Liszt and Chopin's language, both are using Beethoven's language, Beethoven is using Mozart's language, Mozart is using Corelli's and Vivaldi's

>>128417887
thank you slavslopper

>>128418059
thank you lowbrow philisitine

>>128417887
LOL

>>128417887
True, it was his duty as the last romantic

>>128417914
Arrau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SItVXgaOsas&list=OLAK5uy_nn8h_rgKxWcumydYHls-0DZgCgwzxqngY&index=3

Brahms is awful, boring bullshit

Does anyone have any experience with harmonicas? I want to get someone into musical instruments and I'm thinking of buying them a harmonica, but I don't know if it's worth buying a chromatic harmonica or if it's possible to play the 12 notes of a chromatic scale on a simple cheaper diatonic harp. Right now I'm really liking the fact that good quality (diatonic) harmonicas can be had for less than 100 dollars.
>>128418446
Brahm's 3rd is wonderful

>>128418468
Don't share them I think I got a cold from one once, there was all this spit in it

If you can't appreciate both Russian and German music, you're a sheep I'm afraid.

Now we will throw these mediocre kitsch-mongers into slavery, and teach them to venerate the German spirit and to worship the German God.

>>128417887
I like Rachmaninoff but lolno. The 2nd and even 3rd are outrageously overrated at best and downright boring at worst. Seasoned listeners want something more than just pretty melodies one after another. Brahms gives you so much more; it's like listening to a Beethoven symphony with a piano.

>>128418786
*loses the war

>>128418818
Let me add this: the Études-Tableaux are his best piano works.

Kind of sounds like Lullaby For An Anxious Child in places, little bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uARaBgJ-0WE&list=OLAK5uy_lQ_V3tQPoK2juAS8-1lPll_RZwGyQ89-w&index=7

you only truly get classical music when you start hearing every turn of phrase as a response to the previous one

>>128419522
You mean like in Mozart where the entire piece is
>Duh duh duh duh (Du du)
>Duh duh duh duh (Du du)
>Duh duh duh duh (Du du)

>>128417887
Uhm, hello.

>>128419558
no I don't mean like something that isn't true

asked my kitty who's her favorite pianist and she answered,
>ARRAUW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuCn0Qme0EY

>>128419522
That's basically what people are referring to when they say things like 'musical narrative', 'structure', and 'architecture of the piece'.

>>128416243
this is what mahlerfags actually believe

Peterson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zybfj6skBwQ

Why doesn't Erich Kleiber get more love? I've never seen him mentioned here.

>>128421666
Probably because he only has one stereo recording, even if it's also by far the best Le Nozze recorded.

I bring him up once in awhile, though.

>>128421666
Because he's only known for a single orchestral recording and it's not even that good.

Okay fine he's got the Brahms 4 too and it does measure up but it's doesn't smoke the competition or anything. There's just zero reason for someone like me who's not into opera to care about him, though I suppose I will always be grateful for his helping me get into classical 15 years ago.

>Nevertheless, I have to invoke, once again, Leonard Slatkin’s precept, “You can never conduct enough Haydn or Schubert.”

pfft

>>128417955
Some homo fucken incel gay music if I say so myself

now playing

start of Schubert: Quartet No. 15 in G Major, D. 887
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYOjofWBVZ4&list=OLAK5uy_m8Oq439pKdolfHgWCUD1DATNbFGVbhvcQ&index=1

start of Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D.956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG8RkTFGFP8&list=OLAK5uy_koV1AJQ-T7VO-VPzkFR6FVGmy2L0998pc&index=1

good night

>>128421797
That's Carlos Kleiber you idiot.

>>128421666
Excellent question satan

>>128422005
see that's how insignificant the Kleibers are to me! my b

>>128421869
The Guarneri Quartet isn't often my favorite, but their interpretations are undoubtedly most often closest to how I'd perform the works myself.

If I could, y'know, play an instrument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RFjdlVRKLc&list=RDf-a7YaiQ0_c&index=17

>>128418818
>The 2nd and even 3rd are outrageously overrated
No, they are not.
>Seasoned listeners want something more than just pretty melodies one after another.
Seasoned with paprika or pepper?
I like Brahms 2nd as much as one can like it. I've been posting it for the last couple threads alone. But I'm not an idiot. If we're talking about perfecting concerto form, objectively it's Rachmaninoff who takes the rightuful seat. Reducing anything to just "pretty melodies", " pretty counterpoint" or alike is disingenuous and philistine and speaks of your lack of taste. Sheep behavior.

World's biggest vibrator

>sinfonia
>is actually a concerto
All jokes aside, surprised Bach didn't re-use this for his keyboard concertos to my knowledge but did use it for a solo-violin piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKgiFNcmPqI&l

>>128422469
Cope.
>objectively
LOL

>>128424239
Cope.
>Seasoned with paprika or pepper?
Seasoned with good taste.
>But I'm not an idiot
Yes, you are.
>objectively
Case in point.

>>128422469
Cope.
>No, they are not.
They are. Normies and dilettantes hold the 2nd as the greatest piece of all time, which is hilarious.
>Seasoned with paprika or pepper?
Seasoned with good taste.
>But I'm not an idiot
Yes, you are.
>objectively
Case in point.

>>128424264
>cOpE
Lol.
>They are.
No, they are not. Anyone uttering the word "overrated" or "underrated" belongs on reddit dot com
>2nd as the greatest piece of all time,
It quite literally is one of the greatest, evidently.
>Seasoned with good taste.
None to be found with (You) though.
>Yes, you are.
I'm an honest, better informed, classical connoisseur? Why, thanks dunning kruger.
>Case in point.
Little minds struggle with nuance and complexity, yes.

sorry to interrupt the shit flinging but has anyone here read Jeppesen's polyphony textbook? it has some interesting ideas.

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naLoQroQBGw

>>128424792
I haven't, but
>4 2 7
kek. This will sound horrible.

>>128424874
yes, but Jeppesen's theory of reciprocal counterpoint allows it. (Parallel 4ths, 5ths, and so on are still banned though.)

>>128423092
Is that a 64'?

>>128423092
built for BBC (big baroque church).

I would let Steve Reich, Morton Feldman and Alfred Schnittke fuck my bitch

>>128425298
you only need to play recordings of their music to do that.

>>128425310
I don't get it

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>>128425414
laid? yeah we can tell

>>128425382
>>128425397
>>128425407
>>128425414
>>128425419
reddit

>>128425422
yes. Reich is reddit.

Do some of (You) plays the Clarinet? What brand should I avoid?
Should I just go for the cheap $100 version? or just deal something used over eBay?

>>128425634
go away.

>>128425634
stay near.

>>128425641
>>128425648
I can't get over it

why are some first movements of schubert's string quintet and 15th ~20 mins and some only 14-15 minutes? I've seen this with his D.960 too. The repeats is 25% of the thing?

>>128425854
Just listen if the exposition repeats and compare. But yes that's often the case, exposition is usually the longest part in most music, especially with a repeat.

Of anger sing, goddess: of Peleus-son Achilles’
tragic one – which countless pains to Achaeans brought,
many great souls to Hades dispatched
from heroes, and their bodies left as spoil for dogs and
vultures all, thus to Zeus ever furthering his plan –
from just as first where split in strife
that Atreus-son, overlord of men, and godlike Achilles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HOjeqidz0Y

>these runtimes
>28:26 first movement D.960
i kneel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-_EQfi7Fho&list=OLAK5uy_kQ2ihIdSqlKzev_G1F3bcPxZ4Ypi9U9qQ&index=9

Fact: The combined output of Medtner, Rachmaninoff and Scriabin mogs everything else any single composer ever did.

now playing

start of J.S. Bach: Partita No. 4 in D Major, BWV 828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FKpklWBCkE&list=OLAK5uy_mbOVc8ivir_aTsJKLXqx89S4D4hzCB7g8&index=2

start of J.S. Bach: Partita No. 3 in A Minor, BWV 827
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJjmMlpCSbo&list=OLAK5uy_mbOVc8ivir_aTsJKLXqx89S4D4hzCB7g8&index=9

start of J.S. Bach: Partita No. 1 in B-Flat Major, BWV 825
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVhTb8d_vv4&list=OLAK5uy_mbOVc8ivir_aTsJKLXqx89S4D4hzCB7g8&index=15

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mbOVc8ivir_aTsJKLXqx89S4D4hzCB7g8

>"There are countless reasons for loving Bach's music. Certain musicians and music-lovers are fascinated by it's complexity, it's flawless craftmanship. Others treasure it for it's emotional, spiritual significance with total absence of sentimentality. Others, still, are seduced by Bach's appealing mixture of transparency and warmth.. When I learn that a composer of Bach's stature published his impressive collection of partitas under the modest title Clavierübung ("Exercise for Keyboard"), and when I read his statement that music's only purpose should be "the glory of God and the recreation of the human spirit", I see that he was manifestly excluding his own person - a gesture that stands in stark contrast with my own generation's chronic hubris and boundless egocentricity." (Schaghajegh Nosrati)

le wrong generation nosrati

Wonderful recording though.

>>128425934
>anime woman lover
>likes russian music
>has shit opinion
nothing surprising here. russian music is the closest that classical has to sounding like video game and anime music (it IS closer geographically, after all)

>>128425962
>has shit opinion
This is incorrect. It's not an opinion, just stating facts.

>>128425962
>ywn be a teenager grinding for XP on a jRPG while listening to Rachmaninoff ever again
life is suffering

>>128425934
It doesn't even mog a single Wagner opera.

>>128425934
The actual trinity everyone would recognize, if not for lack of education, dysgenicism and Russophobia.

>listening to recordings from before the year 2000
anon i...

For me, it's Mahler's lieder Ging heut' Morgen über's Feld (I Went This Morning over the Field)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nr5Eafa88o

>>128425989
hurr durr hurr

>>128425994
>ywn be a baby boy consuming slop
ok

>>128426387
Hurwitz?

speaking of Mahler, let's finally try
<----

Daniel Harding's chamber orchestra performance of Mahler's 4th with the, well, Mahler Chamber Orchestra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi5T-S6cP3g&list=OLAK5uy_n2-kCIbjP_Z41v6tEJcjvplbI556Rkb_I&index=1

>>128426280
i like saint anthony of padua and, of course, ich bin der welt abhanden gekommen

>>128425959
>I read his statement that music's only purpose should be "the glory of God and the recreation of the human spirit", I see that he was manifestly excluding his own person - a gesture that stands in stark contrast with my own generation's chronic hubris and boundless egocentricity." (Schaghajegh Nosrati)
She failed to realize the highest form of mysticism that is "I am God"

>>128426848
thank you scriababy

>128424591
Here's your (You), little buddy. Keep coping!

>>128426083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX5VsLahWJE
yes

>>128425959
The start of partita no4 just makes me wish I was listening to Beethoven's Sonata 8 as performed by Daniel Barenboim kbe instead

>>128430106
...meaning if you're gonna listen to Bach performed that way, you might as well go for the full thing?

>>128428860
>>128428860
that's pre-1900!

Anyone here actually like Beethoven's Triple Concerto or Brahms' Double Concerto?

>pic: me on the right

>>128430797
No

>>128430873
Then I don't get your meaning D:

There's a smugness to Bach's music sometimes. I can just imagine his fat chuddy little face winking at me over the piano

>>128430943
Greatness is always aware of itself

>Pathetic Sonata
>Gross fugue
Did Beethoven have self esteem issues?

>>128430853
They are both among my favourite works of each composer. Two masterpieces underrated for reasons I can't quite fathom.

>>128430853
>Myung Whung Chung
A JK Rowling character?

Brahms is Mendelssohn without the flaws.

>>128432093
Mendelssohn is much more classical and even baroque influenced.

Schumann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjJNFJe9AKU&list=OLAK5uy_mzDy3ynl9jpFedoK8kKLOirOc7CWEbBgo&index=42

>>128432190
Why are most classical music fans always do concerned about comparing names?

This is so backwards and childish specially coming from people with huge superiority complex and inflated ego.

>>128432417
>Why are most classical music fans always do concerned about comparing names?
Because this is what smart, cultured people do: discuss art and philosophy and ideas and their originators, and make comparisons between them.

>>128431225
Hmm, I'll give both some re-listens this week then. Thanks.

if you don't like Beethoven's Choral Fantasy, Op. 80, we can't ever be friends or sleep together, sorry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S9TFdp51wo

Best recording of Bach's Keyboard Partitas on piano?

>>128432924
see: >>128425959

The other three I'd recommend trying at some point are Hewitt's (her newer recording, but her older one is good too), Levit's, and Perahia. Take your pick.

>thread is nothing but German romanitislop and classishitism
A Bach partita, Palestrina Mass, and Debussy Prelude a day keeps the neuroticism away

>>128433054
>A Bach partita
Interminable

>>128433054
All the Bach recordings I've been listening to lately I've posted many times before, so I refrained from repeating myself.

Juilliard String Quartet's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4KFm3QOrFY&list=OLAK5uy_lz5OUPKcPsKBqy5yNjhYAqz_AcF9eExcI&index=15

harmonia mundi

>>128432713
Reminded me to listen to Beethoven's lieder again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6khGAFGmMek

On the whole I prefer Beethoven's lieder to Schubert's.

>>128432924
LEVIT
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T

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iOgiYi7fBs&list=OLAK5uy_k9zkiCHsoGl3LbAIJSvZp5CGUAVfEnqdU&index=4

>>128433054
>a day keeps the neuroticism away
yet you like Ives

>>128433013
>>128434260
Any recordings by gentile men?

>>128434697
Koroliov. And some people say the older Schiff set is really good.

Koroliov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GJkVRHstMo&list=OLAK5uy_lnBloithnvUSWHvigN2sHUr5yt_jChlog&index=2

Schiff (1985)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NafWp0SVUd4&list=OLAK5uy_mFYSggKnQcNqp3uEHfp1ff-67dhN8-_ZU&index=23

And just in case, Schiff's newer, modern set, which I don't recommend but some people love

Schiff (2009)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmRKqXKW0xY&list=OLAK5uy_lARmgH23fzdMxaWTJDjAwpbGIiAPgdOAA&index=4

The Koroliov is actually one of my favorites but I always forget to name it when this question comes up. Anyway, hope you enjoy!

>>128434738
I don't think Schiff is a gentile but thanks I'll check the Koroliov out, I remember enjoying his Art of the Fugue.

>>128434755
>I don't think Schiff is a gentile
? I looked it up before posting, it says he's Hungarian-British, I'll even confirm on his Wik--
>Schiff was born in Budapest to a Jewish family, as an only child.

oh sorry, damn.

Also, if I may recommend one more women, this classic, ultra-romantic set by an Italian pianist is superb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSguoMdZnYk&list=OLAK5uy_kgIDgCo9-Y3Ge_qzbkY8rpRQ42556UyYU&index=14

>>128434697
Glen Gould

now that the dust has settled, is this the best recording of Schubert's late piano sonatas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQrrJiiYM94&list=OLAK5uy_k_ck9MdpEH2oA50XkfXEC2WtOYDRDVDr0&index=1

Lupu is inscrutable, Pollini too straightforward, Lewis and Perahia too unserious, Brendel too classical, Andsnes too meh. Thoughts?

>>128435053
How about Richter, Kempff, Uchida? I'll give that a listen.

>>128435053
>Lupu is inscrutable
what is that even supposed to mean

>>128435101
it's hard to explain.

>>128435101
It means he has no idea what's he talking about

Never listened to Brahms op.4 scherzo before, the Chopin influence is so over the top lol, love it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5XSMBo7Rjw

Any recommendations on Arvo Pärt's chorals other than Da pacem?

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27mmhmVcFJI

>>128436665
Bitch ion care bout old shi. Post cool shi from 20th century

>>128436626
never post here again.

>>128436682
What happened?

>>128436681
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsd50gJo5q4

>>128436689
you need to go back.

>>128436706
How do you know that I am not a regular? And what's wrong with my post about recommendations?

>>128436719
ywnbaw.

>>128436724
I am a male not a troon. Why would a troon listen to religious music?
What is a wrong with my post?

>>128436749
kill yourself.

>>128436759
What I have done wrong?

>This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.
Oh...the west jewropean part. Fuck you asshole human voice is also an instrument and those chorals are modern classical.

>>128436786
were you born retarded and gay or did you have to work at it?

>>128436808
I have seen the likes of you in /film/. Miserable freak, slit your fucking throat.

>>128436665
I used to be okay with AI slop, now it's getting on my nerves
>>128436689
We usually don't care for contemporary music, especially the religious kind.
>>128436808
Calm down bigot, or maybe try >>>/pol/?

>>128436854
>Calm down bigot

if you give the tourists an inch they will take a mile. no mercy must be shown towards them.

>>128436854
>We usually don't care for contemporary music, especially the religious kind.
Arvo Pärt is like 200 years old at this point. How is he contemporary?

>>128436880
>OH no God forbid someone doesn't fit into my echo chamber and enjoys what I don't enjoy? NOOOOO

>>128436904
200 years old? Are you kidding? He's still alive and composing minimalism, which is a contemporary classical trend. How much baroque - romantic music have you listened to?

Bach is my GOAT

>>128436955
Praying for the day the larp ends, the racket collapses, people drop the sunk cost fallacy, and finally admit that the past 80 years in classical have been a mistake and pick up where the real music left off

>>128437041
/pol/ is right about the reason for this btw

>>128436955
>>200 years old? Are you kidding?
I was joking. Dude is old as fuck. You can't call him contemporary.

>How much baroque - romantic music have you listened to?
Very little to none. But I mostly listen to modernist composers like Fledman, Reich, Xenakis, Ligeti etc.
I am open to recommendations

>>128437041
What's wrong with wrong with Arvo? Isn't this same bullshit as old good new bad? Like whore fucking 20th century is nothing to you?

Which composer has same dark, nocturnal and sinister vibes as Dark Ambient music?

>>128437041
>and pick up where the real music left off
This will never happen. We are (genetically) less intelligent now than we were 200 years ago. It would take eugenics or civilization collapse/rebuild to reach the same heights intellectually as 1850's.

>>128437084
>Like whore fucking 20th century is nothing to you?
No, not the whole century, I'd miss Stravinsky's ballets! But if somebody simply deleted all post-WW2 classical music, people wouldn't really care nor mind.

>>128437084
>Very little to none.
There's your answer: go ahead and listen to classical music since you're in a classical thread. We don't listen to minimalist contemporary shite here.
>I am open to recommendations
If you want religious music: St. Matthew's Passion, Mass in B minor, Missa Solemnis
Absolute music: Beethoven symphonies, sonatas, Mozart late piano concertos, Chopin nocturnes, ballades, Schubert impromptus, late string quartets. Just pick any great composer and start listening.

>>128437142
people wouldn't even notice lol

>>128437142
Damn

>>128437144
Thanks for reccs.

Any reccs of choral music? And also this "Which composer has same dark, nocturnal and sinister vibes as Dark Ambient music?"

>>128437210
If you like a good choir, just go listen to the mass in B minor... When the dude said "MISEREEEREEE" I stood up and yelled "KINO!"

>>128437210
>Any reccs of choral music?
There's already choral music in my recs, additionally there are hundreds of Bach cantatas out there, enough for a lifetime.
>Which composer has same dark, nocturnal and sinister vibes as Dark Ambient music?
Listen to the following and decide for yourself: Prokofiev's 2nd concerto, war sonatas, Scriabin's sonatas 5-10. If nothing did it for you, then Schoenberg's Verklarte Nacht, chamber symphonies (no.2) and string quartets (no.1)

How good is Christus by Liszt? Is it worth the 3 hours? I don't hear much about it (Granted I don't hear much about Liszt's orchestral work in general, much to my dismay) so I got curious. It definitely looks very interesting (Sucker for anything with long movements), anyone ever listen to it?

>>128437309
Thanks again

Last request: recommendations for choral music in the style of Russian/East euro heavy manly choral style

>>128437041
>finally admit that the past 80 years in classical have been a mistake

from interacting with academic musicians I can confirm they will only double down. sometimes I don't know whether to laugh or cry about the current state of classical music.

Really fucking enjoying Mass in B minor

This is KINO

>>128437525
Language.

But yeah, it's a great work.

>>128437387
No clue. Perhaps other anons can chime in on that.
>>128437595
>Language
Rofl, you don't have to patronize the poor guy

good morning. I hate musicians.

>>128437742
Morning. I hate composers.

Wagner.

>>128437753
speak when spoken to, faggot.

>>128437829
pbuh.

>>128437832
No.

>>128437331
>>128437331
It's incredible.

>>128437331
It's very good. Not a perfect work, but definitely worth hearing.

>Fux recording scrubbed from youtube
GODDAMMIT

>>128435053
Erdmann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkugcE0mOJM

let's start the day with some Liszt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJsxYGLCryo&list=OLAK5uy_mQ48Uzaq57LmoNwi1X8RAl18vLFUSKpYw&index=6

>>128437475
Funny, my piano teacher has all the degrees you'd expect and his opinion is that contemporary classical pieces are just artificial constructs that nobody actually voluntarily listens to. He mostly listens to Bach and I think that the only post-WW2 music that he likes is jazz, funnily enough. But he didn't stay in academia.

>>128439691
>He mostly listens to Bach
I don't trust people who listen to anything over the romantic era composers. Some Bach is OK, too much betrays lack of sophistication and taste.

>>128439729
>>128439691
both utterly retarded

now playing

start of Debussy: Préludes, Book 1, L. 117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xlXQ6mSwOc&list=OLAK5uy_kTrP62FQogH_k9Gz1jH11BYpKCzgA65lI&index=2

start of Debussy: Images
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_0EtTBGU6Y&list=OLAK5uy_kTrP62FQogH_k9Gz1jH11BYpKCzgA65lI&index=14

start of Debussy: Preludes, Book II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXxZsn6r-8k&list=OLAK5uy_kTrP62FQogH_k9Gz1jH11BYpKCzgA65lI&index=20

start of Debussy: Estampes, L. 100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph_Og71awVA&list=OLAK5uy_kTrP62FQogH_k9Gz1jH11BYpKCzgA65lI&index=31

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kTrP62FQogH_k9Gz1jH11BYpKCzgA65lI

Undoubtedly one of the best sets of Debussy's piano music. Highly recommended.

There's also a website which contains some of Paul Crossley the pianist's writings on the music he performed, well-worth reading if you're into that kind of thing. Here's a link to one of the Debussy pages,
https://paulcrossleypianist.com/debussypiano-musicvolume-1

>>128439691
>the only post-WW2 music that he likes is jazz, funnily enough.
This is a redpill that few are ready for. See the 60s, in classical you have St*ckhausen, in jazz you have John Coltrane or Bill Evans. Listen to an hour of each and tell me which is the more rightful heir to the legacy of Wagner, Beethoven, Bach.

>>128439795
>t.unsophisticated

>>128439823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TFS71MCXps
What is this?! Modern compositions, played emotionally by skilled musicians, in which the counterpoint is excellent?!

Gould's performances of Bach's Partitas: yay/nay?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHz-j2hC8L0&list=OLAK5uy_mPbty31654xLaVxCzaRaww9AWX_1QfcUk&index=14

>>128439823
>>128439923
do doctors start surgeries without any plans, improvising what they're gonna do? of course not
do engineers improvise the design of complex buildings and technologies on the spot while these structures are getting built? of course not
do three-Michelin-starred chefs improvise dishes on the spot when they are serving a food critic? of course not
that's why jazz is shit
improvised music is lesser music, composers like Mozart improvised to entertain and kept that separated from their serious works
you can't improvise the art of fugue
you can't improvise mass in b minor
you can improvise all those trumpet fart noises that jazz fans worship

>>128439956
YOU can't improvise the art of fugue because YOU are a retard

>>128439923
>post - african repetitions in the background
>incoherent voice leading
>extremely discordant, non-functional harmony
>counterpoint a child could write
Into the trash it goes.

>>128434697
Richard Goode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74feK-HCUUY&list=OLAK5uy_k4KwjXrn4wqgh-GqXNOF4W2fNxoemW2xA&index=11

>Anyone who thinks Glenn Gould's riveting, ascetic approach changed Bach piano playing forever should listen to this disc. Richard Goode is too fine a musician to blur Bach's textures or to mess up the music with romantic tempo fluctuations. But he does play Bach as piano music, with plenty of dynamic gradations and a predominantly lyrical approach. His tempo for the Allemande of the Fourth Partita is daringly slow, although he can toss off a gigue like the wind, if he likes. While this is not the most stylish Bach playing by contemporary standards, every movement is strongly characterized and every note carefully considered. Call Goode a throwback, if you like, but even if you have second thoughts about his playing, it's completely convincing while you're listening. --Leslie Gerber

>>128439956
Bach, Mozart and Chopin were all excellent improvisers who'd consider the contemporary cold "academic" approach to composition a hilarious LARP. You're coping if you think that their improvisations were inferior to the works that they wrote down. Improvisation was a totally standard practice in the baroque period, especially for a keyboardist. Play through a bit of Chopin (have you ever touched a piano? have you ever seen one?) and you'll quickly see that most of the posthumous material is clearly a bunch of raw transcriptions of late night improvisations that he didn't polish for release yet.

>>128432924
Vedernikov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4qP7dlflYQ

>>128440136
One last thing. You want to become a good musician? Learn to improvise. Do you think that Bach wrote the inventions or the WTC so that people would play it over and over like they do today, one upping each other over who can speedrun it to 100% like some crossdressing video game streamer? No, it's learning material! A manual so that you can start making that sort of music yourself! If Bach were alive today, and you showed him two pianists, one who could play WTC 1+2 from memory and one who could improvise a mediocre fugue on the spot, he'd tell the former "aww, thank you, that's cute" and he'd consider the latter a fellow musician. Learning to improvise will obviously make you a much better composer and it's a much more efficient way to spend your time than spending hours fiddling around with the details of your latest "hit" in Musescore.

>>128440136
NTA, but the difference is that they improvised under strict rules that allowed music to breathe and make sense, and they improvised in classical/baroque forms, which shaped the structure of their works. This does not apply to jazzslop.
Furthermore, no one could ever improvise Art of Fugue, Jupiter symphony or Cello Sonata op.65, the formal mastery and craft that took these piece to come to life is *insane*. Listen to themes in the finale of Jupiter that are brought back in counterpoint, or the cyclic form of the sonata, which Chopin nearly abandoned few times, these can't be accomplished by improvisation. Most of their major works can't, only certain parts may have been improvised, rest was conceived in the mind, with ink in their hands

>last CD in this Beethoven piano sonatas cycle goes 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 32
>28 is on another disc
why :( it's such a good lead-up to the hammerklavier

I know, I know, I can just move it, but I don't like to break the intention, especially since it's a live cycle so the assumption has to be this is the order deliberately chosen and performed by the pianist

>>128441167
You're giving me a headache, emissary.

MOZART PLAYED BY A 15 YO GIRL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS-Xm6pFIl8

>>128441167
>last CD in this Beethoven piano sonatas cycle goes 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 32


you can't fit all that on a single disc

>>128441324
>>128441324
MOD ABUSE

stop reading my IP pls

>>128441441
>>128441441
this isn't the 1800s anon

>>128437084
From Zelenka:
Responsoria pro Hebdomada Sancta
and
Missa Omnium Sanctorum/Missa Dei Filii/Missa Dei Patris

>>128441324
>>128441540
and sorry, but I am who I am -- when I get into phase/binge/obsession mode, I go all out

>>128441561
it's a three-disc set

>>128439999
>Like many Bronx natives of his time, Goode comes from a Jewish, Eastern European family

>>128441602
Well, the point stands, because Hammerklavier there is trio'd with the 26th and 27th, and the 28th is not to be found on the volume at all

>>128441622
n-no, no, it can't be.... nooooooooo

NP Op. 106 adagio

>>128441540
>>128441590
Autismo

>>128441831
The nose knows

>>128441850
I can't help it Beethoven's piano sonatas are the perfect nexus of quality, quantity, interpretive potential, and availability of recordings. So it's very easy for me to spend not only a lot of time listening to them and exploring new sets, but thinking about and wanting to discuss and share them too.

>>128441831
>Renowned especially for his Beethoven, which had an almost legendary status (he broadcast the entire cycle of the 32 piano sonatas for the BBC), he was in the midst of recording the complete cycle of the sonatas for EMI Records when he suffered a devastating stroke in 1956, which paralysed his right arm. He never recorded or performed in public again, but lived on for another 32 years

>>128441912
:(

>>128441912
I'd just KMS

I don't get how anyone can not enjoy Mahler's 4th. Everything about it, to my ears, is immensely and immediately appealing, and emotionally it's so joyful, buoyant, and inspiring.

>>128442112
>Early life

>>128442148
yes, bohemian

>>128442112
This but 9th.
>>128442148
We love them here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYa6LHVXSpo&list=RDCYa6LHVXS
>Bruhns' surviving oeuvre is unfortunately small: only 12 vocal and 5 organ pieces are extant.

For me, it's the haemorrhoid anecdote.

>He wakes in the middle of the night, his sheets drenched in blood from a burst haemorrhoid. Justi calls a doctor who puts him in an iced-water bath. When the bleeding persists, he summons a surgeon who, delayed in traffic, tells the patient that 'half an hour later would have been too late'. Professor Julius von Hochenegg is a pupil of Professor Theodor Billroth, a pioneer of abdominal surgery and a friend of Brahms. He has a rectal ulcer named after him and attracts students from all over the world.

>Hochenegg subjects Mahler to an excruciating procedure, inserting a large instrument into his rectum and probing around until the polyp is found, and tied off. Surgeon and patient are soiled with blood and mucus.

YOOOOO I have found a sinister/fantastic classical piece that is "Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique - Dream Of A Witches Sabbath"

>https://youtu.be/5n7qfRNzS3s?si=SoqENvmlo2_01N9b

NP Op. 31/2

>>128442112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnfhInZLmUQ
even the people performing it are making awkward faces. there's just plenty of other music that sounds equally as good or better, even if a song is musically a bit cringe and i'm seething at the artists success, i can at least see why they're successful like if they have a smooth timbre and they present the female lead singer as some kind of beauty icon and the music video is flattering and they went as far as to use a real analog video camera to shoot the video

>>128442538
happy for you anon :)

but do keep in mind that is only one movement of the larger symphony, Symphonie Fantastique

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkGTX94sMjk

>>128442730
Will try Chopin next

>>128442784
Thanks. Fantastic art is the real shit

>>128442848
If you're looking for spooky things... Chopin's 2nd sonata, the finale is one of the first possibly "atonal" pieces. It also has the famous funeral march as the slow movement. But Chopin has even spookier pieces, which you'll discover yourself.

Angela Hewitt's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h7QYBAoxok&list=OLAK5uy_mew7jhNlDEffD-0ESex9d6Cp87Y1XmYfk&index=30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2F_7Pw2iq8&list=RDO2F_7Pw2iq8
Johan Helmich Roman

Do you guys listen to classical when out and about, whether on headphones while walking or on the stereo while driving? Or, heaven forbid, on a stereo while walking!?

>>128444005
I rarely walk, and it's not a good idea to listen while taking a walk: either you don't pay enough attention to the music, or you pay too much and get run over by a car, or miss out the peace and quiet of nature, and I never drive. But when I travel far (once in a year maybe), absolutely. In fact that's the *best* time to listen, in a comfy train (or bus, but I LOVE comfy trains), passing by all the nature and what not. Almost makes me wish to travel, but just to listen.

>>128444294
>Almost makes me wish to travel, but just to listen.
There's been times when I've taken a long busride around town just to listen to music, so I feel that.

>>128444542
Seems like a nice idea, but I'd hate to travel in the city. And I prefer trains.

>>128444294
>or you pay too much and get run over by a car,
no sidewalks in Bangladesh?

sigh, recordings of Schumann's solo piano music never have the pieces you want. I'm THIS close to just making my own custom complete works playlist of favorite individual recordings of each work

it's almost like the pianists which like the Symphonic Etudes don't like the Piano Sonatas, and then the ones who like Fantasie in C don't like Kreisleriana, and the ones who like Carnaval don't like Waldszenen, and vice versa and every which way, so everything only has two pieces at most, and often the best recordings are paired with a piece from a different composer entirely, ahhhHHHHHHH

>>128444643
No crosswalks in Ethiopia?

>>128444971
>crosswalks in Ethiopia
new band name

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmahFwffRKj2lydx-roDD4S626-cIvM-x

Glen Gould Handel Harpsichord., skip the prelude though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS8aNH5564I&list=PLmahFwffRKj2lydx-roDD4S626-cIvM-x&index=2&pp=iAQB8AUB

>>128444971
>>128444977
"no crosswalks in ethiopia" sounds like a dead kennedys song

Yall niggas at ballet class or something

>>128448904
Some days just be like this.

now playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMTpfb36UoA&list=OLAK5uy_noS0zigBN9bXTHuoYhaiwmSln4HTf21b4&index=29

I don't enjoy Bach's Partitas and English/French Suites as much as I want. There's certainly some beautiful moments but most of the time they sound like endless onslaughts of notes, and I'm not interesting in "following the counterpoint," I prefer to try and listen to the melodies holistically, which with these pieces feels like trying to discern a pattern made of water droplets during a rainstorm.

>>128450255
Same problem with the cello suites, they are not as enjoyable as they should be, which has been fixed by non-retarded performers (a rare phenomenon):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOS7zPkc3NY

>>128444958
>I'm THIS close to just making my own custom complete works playlist of favorite individual recordings of each work

fucking finally. it's the only way, and not just fir schumann.

brahms' late piano works have the power to save the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSf2veLfC-w

>>128451463
I don't do it because I relish the unity and totality of a (in)complete cycle with a singular vision. For example, if I feel like listening to Beethoven's piano sonatas 5-9, I prefer it being from the same pianist, and ideally the same performance, instead of a mix of putatively curated selections.

Would you listen to a recording of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier where every Prelude and Fugue was a specific choice from a particular cycle? I wouldn't.

>>128451518
>Would you listen to a recording of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier where every Prelude and Fugue was a specific choice from a particular cycle? I wouldn't

first of all, i don't obsessively listen all the way through all 24 preludes & fugues, i listen to the ones i like and skip the ones i don't like. and yes, i will listen to prefered recordings of the individual preludes & fugues which i've come to love over the years (c-sharp major (bk1): ashkenazy, c-sharp major (bk2): richter, e major (bk2): gulda, etc. etc.)

>>128451716
Hmm, respectable then. I'm more of a take-the-bad-with-the-good kinda guy. Same reason I never make substitutions on the food I order at restaurants -- it comes how they intended it. And I feel the same about art and music.

>>128451745
wtc is more of a menu than a single dish.

counterpoint finally clicked.

>>128451776
You're probably right but I can't help it. One pianist I really like, Piotr Anderszewski, has a WTC recording that I've always avoided. Why? Because it's a selected pieces recording. And therefore I refuse to listen to it. Flexibility on this issue just isn't within me, despite the fact that, you're right, Bach himself would consider me excessively anal, if not outright misguided on the issue.

>>128451776
>waiter, I would like to order something depressing as fuck.
>for that we have the F-minor prelude and Bb-minor fugue.
>I'll have the F-minor prelude.
>excellent choice, sir. and how would you like it performed? rubato, cantabile, staccato ...
>staccato.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eNjWL-UBaE

>>128451893
lmao

>>128451893
i always take my bach cantabile, thank you

Random question, but was there a specific piece where CPE "clicked" on sonata-allegro? I tend to find a lot of transitional binary form pieces that start to resemble sonata allegro. But his later pieces like his Piano Trios seem to have a fully realized sonata-allegro without a B section repeat (Unless there's cotton in my ears)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywT9iklkJnY

This sounds like a proper fully realized sonata-allegro form in largely the way Haydn would go on to write them. But I have trouble pinpointing the exact piece where he clicked on this particular outline for movements so I was curious if any CPE Bach fans here happened to know.

>>128451938
CPE sounds like a baroque Beethoven, surprised that BABIAA poster doesn't ever talk about him.

>>128451893
>awful choice, sir. we kindly ask you to leave and never come back to our restaurant, thank you.

>>128451989
The BABIAA poster considers CPE Bach classical/gallant. I think Krebs and Kirnberger were the only students of Bach to stubbornly cling to the high Baroque tradition (long after it had died out).

>>128451989
>>128452031
thank you gossiping sisters

Krebs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaizpxvTowU

the daily reminder approaches. I can sense it...

>>128452438
i suspect this >>128433054 WAS this thread's daily reminder

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPkHougN0U4

now playing

start of Josef Suk: Symphony No. 2 « Asrael », Op. 27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qWm0dUUEKg&list=OLAK5uy_lm7i0syUj9edPR7G5TPT5Iz4clPjqZd8Y&index=2

Josef Suk: Legend of the Dead Victors, Commemoration for Great Orchestra, Op. 35B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK9PpFKcaFY&list=OLAK5uy_lm7i0syUj9edPR7G5TPT5Iz4clPjqZd8Y&index=6

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lm7i0syUj9edPR7G5TPT5Iz4clPjqZd8Y

>>128451893
i'll order a rabbit

>>128451893
why is Gould so bad at playing Bach?

>>128452641
You don't think that sounds good...? oh haha, yeah, uh, me neither, Gould sucks, haha... damn

>>128452641
he was an empathlet (an autist) who lived in his own little world playing for himself and happened to be recorded

>>128452869
>empathlet (an autist)
Autists aren't empathlets. Stop regurgitating misinformed ideas

>>128453058
the definition of autism is quite literally being poor at cognitive empathy

>The pit at Bayreuth has been accepted by all modern acousticians as absolutely perfect; not only that, but it is impossible to imitate – which shows you that his talents and his genius went far beyond composing music.

Is this actually true or just nonsense?

>>128453306
obviously nonsense. how would that be "impossible to imitate"? what, did he use magic?

>>128453591
>what, did he use magic?
maybe