Thread 2000001

What is the intent behind statements like "I'm not a cyclist, I'm just a person who gets around by bike"?

At a surface level it is obviously meant to (proverbially) throw other cyclists under the bus, but to what end? Would it somehow appease the anti-bike people if the person "blocking traffic" didn't agree to be referred to by the word "cyclist"?

cy·clist
/ˈsīkləst/
noun
noun: cyclist; plural noun: cyclists

a person who rides a bicycle.

So they are either not riding a bicycle, or they are lying.
Your choice.

it's not meant to sway a cager, they will never care about anyone but themselves. so any cyclist who thinks that is retarded, I think it's to seperate the "cycling culture" of the US from people using bikes due to convenience in places like the netherlands, placing importance on infrastructure instead of "well I'M a good biker and I bike on dangerous roads on huge endurance runs so I don't think anything has to change".

>>2000001 (OP)
In the USA, cycling was mainly a hobby and sport, not a considered form of transportation due to urban sprawl. The stereotype of a cyclist is different from a commuter. Even though times have changed, there's still many who were raised to believe that cycling is separate from commuting and so you hear a conversation like this play out
>"you cycled to work today? I didn't know you were into cycling"
>"oh no, I'm not a '"'"'"'"'"cyclist'"""'"""" I just commute by bike"
>>2000008
piggybagging off this, there's a similar idea in the Netherlands except the words are flipped. A fietster is more like a commuter even though it translates to cyclist but that's because over there, cycling is the norm. They also have a word, wielrenner, which is more like the behaivior and attire of "'''""""cyclist''"""""

>>2000001 (OP)
>What is the intent behind statements like "I'm not a cyclist, I'm just a person who gets around by bike"?
Could be a multitude of different reasons.
>doesn't want to be associated with yimbys or similar groups
>doesn't want to be associated with dentist group-rides
>wants to draw attention to their practical nature of getting around, not just seeing bikes as a hobby

its an adolescence hang up immature people cling too
being a tryhard is considered lame

also its a sort of passive aggressive way of implying people who cycle for pleasure aren't 'real cyclists' even though they probably cycle more

>>2000010
nice answer. but lemme check something real wuick
>>2000000

>>2000001 (OP)
no one wants to be thought of as a lycra-clad retard. what's hard to understand?

I don’t have a car and use my bike as my only form of transportation besides the subway, riding every weekday and regularly on weekends as well. I don’t call myself a cyclist because I don’t really do any of the traditional things I think of when I think of a cyclist. I don’t race or do leisure rides with other people or with a bike group, I’m always riding alone. I don’t have any special attire like the spandex suit, clip on shoes, etc., I just wear regular sneakers, shorts, t shirt, usually have a backpack too. I don’t do major repairs or upgrades on my bike and don’t have a lot of bicycle knowledge. I don’t have multiple bikes for different purposes, just one road bike that’s around 20 years old at this point.

So basically I just consider “cyclists” to be people who take it more seriously than I do. Even though I ride around 50 miles a week (currently at 1100 for the year), I definitely wouldn’t say I take it seriously.

>>2000037
Very nice. However on such a slow board as /n/ your digits are less of Paul Allen digits and more of David van Patten digits.

I went horizontal last year riding over some train tracks in wet weather and fucked up myself and my bike. Today it happened again at the same spot, even though I intentionally slowed down to make sure it would not happen again. But, because I was going slower I didn't hurt myself or damage my bike as bad as before. My wheels were perpendicular to the tracks both times it happened so I am not too sure why it keeps happening?

>>2000073
>I am not too sure why it keeps happening?
Maybe because you rode over wet metal, a surface know for its excellent grip?

>>2000001 (OP)
It's a form of modesty which is common in the English language

>I'm not a gardener, i'm just growing a few herbs
>I'm not really a cook, but i hope this tastes good
>I'm not a weaver, but i made this

>cy·clist
>a person who rides a bicycle.
Except practically everyone in the world has ridden a bicycle before, so technically that would make practically everyone a cyclist and render the word meaningless.
There's a judgement that has to be placed on how regularly or how seriously someone does X to have the identity of Y.

I think we're probably just complaining about the fantasy subset of unracer who takes not being serious incredibly seriously, those people are cyclists, and i think you'd be hard pressed to actually find one who doesn't identify as such.

>>2000098
It's a troll thread racer vs unracer. just change the definition to cyclist vs commuter.
>>2000073
next time walk it. Or find a better place to cross.

>>2000001 (OP)
They use "cyclist" as an equivalent to "hiker".

So, a person who commutes by walking, even if walks a lot, doesnt identify as a "hiker". In the same way, someone who uses a bike to go places, might not identify as a "cyclist".

Easy as that.

>>2000050
This is all there is to it.

>>2000001 (OP)
In my midwest suburb cyclist = yuppie

Theyre trying to say theyre ride a bike to the park maybe lets go get a shaved ice type of cyclist.

Im biased. Compared to other high price entry sports like golf or skiing cyclists are cooler. Tennis people are chill but their sport is dying.

>>2000001 (OP)
>What is the intent behind statements like "I'm not a cyclist, I'm just a person who gets around by bike"?


You tell me. You're the one who said it. Am I supposed to be upset that someone said something stupid?

I'm a cycologist.

So we can all agree then: urbanists are stupid

Also batavophiles

>>2000295
I'm a cyclopath

>>2000298
>>2000299
>>2000300
>>2000301

>I tried all kinds of drugs!
>I'm not a drug user!
>I was forced to try them!

>>2000313
>literally anything
>you: RENT FREE REEEEEEE
textbook projection

probably because drivers are fucking retarded and think that a $1500 bike is a status symbol because they cannot possibly imagine anyone using a bike as transportation and think you are a rich person who drives everywhere except when you get on your bike to specifically annoy that driver by making them 30 seconds late. so people have to defend themselves in conversation by saying they aren't "those" cyclists as otherwise someone will go off on a tangent about how they are the scum of the earth.

>>2000001 (OP)
https://youtu.be/5EE8m8mmq1k?

>>2000350
$1500 bike is a status symbol
They're not wrong.
>t. 20 miles a day on a $130 Walmart bike for 2 years now

If your bike costs more than $300, you're a fag, sorry.

>>2000613
>$1500 bike is a status symbol
and a 60k pickup truck is not?

>>2000629
A $60K pickup truck is also a status symbol.

>>2000298
>climbed out
And then what?

a cyclist cycles to cycle

>>2000607
Is cycling a community anon? Is driving a community? Is walking a community?

>>2000607
>post has absolutely nothing to do with politics
>person comes in with a comment to create division in groups while complaining that one side always creates division in everything
Mouth breathing fucking retard

>>2000891
You're a bender. You fucking bender.

>>2000001 (OP)
I think this could be paraphrased as 'I don't cycle unless I want ro go places'. It's still retarded to say.

>>2000010
>A fietster is more like a commuter even though it translates to cyclist but that's because over there, cycling is the norm.
The majority of the Netherlands commute by car.

>>2001327
29% is massive and more than any other country. he never said "majority". car share is high in netherlands because their transit is honestly underdeveloped and not built for super commuting

>>2001327
>The majority of the Netherlands commute by car.
Blame the weather there.

>>2001331
>29% is more than any other country
So even in the most bike friendly place on earth, the people actively choose not to bike. Because biking frankly sucks.
>he never said "majority".
He said "the norm" which implies it's the most normal and common form of transportation ie. The majority. It is not.

>>2001341
they dont bike because the country is still largely not that urbanized and they have insufficient long range transit, but people who can use bikes do and also, that is "commuters", not people who use bikes for other daily tasks which is absolutely higher. noone cares that you are a fat fuck.

>>2001342
>facts and reality hurt my feelings
Lol.
>that is "commuters", not people who use bikes for other daily tasks which is absolutely higher
I doubt it's significantly different. If you needed to grocery shop, you'd just stop on your drive home etc.

>>2000299
Yeah but what kind of pedestrian are you? You don't know?

>>2001341
"The norm" does not translate to "the majority" but rather what is "normal" in society's perception.

>>2001487
>"The norm" does not translate to "the majority"
Yes it does.

>>2000001 (OP)
>Everything that can be labeled can be hated
(rule of the internet #18, btw)

The word "cyclist" is dehumanizing in a sense. Saying "person who gets around by bike" puts the emphasis on the human being instead of the mode of transportation. It's pretty clever, actually.

>>2000001 (OP)
>What is the intent behind statements like "I'm not a cyclist, I'm just a person who gets around by bike"?
It is an attempt to disassociate from a crappy subculture nobody likes that made bicycle its virtue signal.

>>2000001 (OP)
I hate the term gamer even though I play too many video games. What the fuck do I need a label for?

And a term like "gamer/cyclist" means different things depending on your location. A gamer in Japan means you play phone games while you commute on the train. A gamer in the USA means you get sweaty and $$$ on a custom PC.
Likewise, a cyclist in europe is an empty statement. Everyone cycles and they're made to be comfortable from point A to B.
I resent American cycling because we have such a consumerist culture that cycling is all about performance at the expense of comfort. People who cycle vs "cyclists" is huge. I just want a cheap scrape metal on wheels that can take me around. Cyclists are obnoxious and spend as much as a small car on a bike and on faggy clothing.

Basically, I resent American Cycling culture. I wish I was in Europe.

>>2000308
correct, we call them "people who like to party"

>>2002894
Road bikes are comfortable, hence why middle aged men ride 100 miles on a weekend like it’s nothing. It’s casual bicyclist that rides 10 miles at walking pace and complains it’s so long and their body hurts. No I will not ride an omafiets at 10mph and pretend that it’s progress. Dutch cycling culture is unironically trash and can only exist in the lowlands cause their bikes are 30lbs or more. I do appreciate their infrastructure innovations though.

>>2000037
>>1999999

I'm a breather, a pisser, a shitnfarder

>>2001327
It's joever for batavophiles.

>>2000001 (OP)
Luv bike chicks

>>2000098
Most Americans drive cars so the word motorist is meaningless. I am very smart.

>>2000001 (OP)
"I'm a gamer"
"i play games"
"I'm a driver"
"i drive a car"
etc
one is a simple statement and other a shallow label people put on themselves to suplement lack of personality.

you may as well say youre a computerist and a typist and a monitor looker. and make it a big deal.

damn I'm such a drinker, let's discuss most optimal water brands and bottle shapes.

>>2003519
We're not talking about the dictionary definition though.
And no American will call themselves a 'Motorist'

When you're walking you're a pedestrian.
When you're cycling you're a cyclist.
When you're driving a motor vehicle you're a motorist.

>>2004205
yeah, I'm a pilot

Actually it is often used in reverse. People will say, "that's not a cyclist its a guy on a bike" to separate the brain dead tools that blow stop signs, ride on sidewalks, ride against traffic, etc from people that can coexist peacefully with traffic. Many people that ride bikes really aren't cyclists, they are pedestrians with wheels.

The entire distinction is pointless anyway. Non-riders (and self hating cyclists who, "drive their bike to the park and only ride on the paths") will always lump anyone on a bike together. The transgressions of everyone from children, teens, the homeless, clueless casuals, hooligans, lycratards will be attributed to cyclists as a whole.

>$5000 bike
>$5000 bike made of obsolete parts

>>2000001 (OP)
To separate themselves from those Critical Mass lycratards.

>>2006595
critical mass is really about cycling for fun, utility, and commuting. not really for the lycracucks.

>>2006595
nobody who does critical mass can afford bibs

i cook, i'm not a cook
i take photographs, i'm not a photographer
i'm a handy man, i'm not a handyman
it's not that deep brah

>>2011905
When you're cooking, you are the cook.
When you're photographing, you are the photographer.

>>2000001 (OP)
Yuppies are scum.

>>2000252
Nobody wants solutions anymore

>>2000252
So I'm not actually a pedestrian if I don't "identify as a pedestrian" even if I walk to work?

>>2000025
it's a way to distance themselves from fags in neon spandex

>>2011916
okay? i'm still not a cook or a photographer

>>2012084
You are also a walker... but you might start to denie that fact if people start to associate 'walkers' with this
https://youtu.be/EF29OXeFpEc

>>2000001 (OP)
They are filthy casuals who are not chad enough to own up to the title.

>>2012226
what's with his arms though, he needs to stop doing arm day

>>2012200
No I don't think I would. I find respectability politics to be extremely cringe. If someone's going to hate me for doing something that benefits me, the natural reaction should not be to stop doing that and apologize. Grow a pair.

>>2012226
>>>/fit/

>>2012263
that's a triathlon bike. those arms are for the swimming part.

>>2012226
>>2012263
it's shopped
>>2012658
it's a TT bike. triathlons are for faggots.

>>2000073
If you were going perfectly straight you won’t slip even on black ice
>Skill issue
>t.canadian

>>2000613
Get a proper $600 bicycle
>t.correct opinion

>>2000073
i'm sorry but that's the gay test and you failed twice.

>>2000001 (OP)
>20000001
>nice try
Its to distance themselves away from MAMIL fucking losers who stencil ads and over-expensive shit all over themselves
Someone who cycles but isn't a cyclist hasn't taken cycling as part of their identity. They're saying: yes, you caught me, I ride a bike but I'm not one of THOSE bike riders

>>2000001 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EE8m8mmq1k
Watch this. It's extremely accurate and he talks about the difference between a commuter and a cyclist

>>2013058
How old are you? Your strawman of roadies is about 30 years out of date, people now wear outdated ads for companies that no longer exist because it's a retro-chic tip of the ole chapeau to the greats who are no longer with us

>>2013085
sup burgerbert

>>2013088
sup. i still had the link copied when i saw this thread so the timing was perfect
go pogi!

>>2013092
What did he mean by this

>>2001345
Here is some context from a Dutchfag, a large amount of Dutch people live in relatively small towns and commute into the Randstad (Most urbanised area of the country) for work. It is not realistic to bike from outside of the Randstad into it. However, if you actually live in the Randstad, and work in the city you live in most people then choose to bike.
Getting around the place you live though? It's cycling all the way. I almost never leave the house without my bicycle whether it's going to friends, to the store, or just to the nearest city.
TLDR; Commuting by bike largely isn't possible for most of the population not living and working in the city they live in. Also, public transport is more expensive compared to automobiles.

>>2012264
>If someone's going to hate me
No, they're just going to laugh at you.

>>2015188
He's saying the mouse stole his food that's why he looks like auschwitz

>>2015188
/cyc/ meme about hematocrit blood doping
by grug who can attack and destroy races

>>2012659
>TT
>Triathlon
learn the difference. Tri-bikes are not legal for UCI TT.
I kust be a superfag then since I do both.

>>2013058
schizo detected, this person called you out >>2019813

>>2013087
>>2019814
>out of date and wrong
I see these sorts of ubercyclist retards all the time in my area. They are covered in extremely tight smooth clothes and ride very expensive bikes. Think they're competing in the tour de france or some stupid shit. Like all the obsessive shit they do is gonna eek out an additional 0.2% more performance or something
Blessed be you anons who don't have them where you live

>>2019824
I'm sorry you're poor, but you're complaining about at least two separate issues

The word is "eke" btw

>>2019825
Retard detected

>>2018481
they look the same to me

>>2000001 (OP)
I don't have a problem with this as I used to tell people I wasn't a motorcyclist, I just used a motorcycle to commute on. It has nothing to do with a sideways attack or a denigration of anyone.

>>2000001 (OP)
It's about internalized vs external identity

the same thing happens with gender

>i'm not a man i just have a penis

>>2000001 (OP)
>"I'm not a cyclist, I'm just a person who gets around by bike"?

It means I'm not a psychotic roadie and do but want to be associated with them.

I know more about bikes than my father in law who has completed dozens of iron Man races and rides 400 miles a week his entire life. I ride steel bikes at a moderate speed for transportation and pleasure.

I could not be more different from a roadie aka "cyclist"

>>2024336
why does the term cyclist bring up images of a pissed off road rider?
The term cycling is . "the act or sport of riding or traveling by bicycle, motorcycle, etc"
Thus a cyclist is in "the act" or "sport" of riding a bicycle, so when you get on a bicycle you are a cyclist.

I still haven't met an uber cyclist roadie fred. Maybe I need to go to more posh bike shops and races.
>>2024295
Yup, I am confused.
A motorcyclist is defined as "a person who rides a motorcycle"
So you can't really commute on one and not be a motorcyclist.
You could be a commuter focused motorcyclist. Or an a-b motorcyclist.

>>2024337
A cyclist and a biker, are both hobbyists. If you don't partake in the hobby you can still use the equipment. You can ride a train without being an anorak.
>I'm not a cyclist (hobbyist), I'm a cyclist (use a bicycle)

>>2024337
>why does the term cyclist bring up images of a pissed off road rider?
Because when people think "cyclists," they're thinking about the guys who have cult-like attitudes, behaviors, and activist positions.

>>2024366
>cult-like attitudes, behaviors, and activist positions.
You should probably take a break from the internet, especially sites like this

>>2024367
Transportation activists repeatedly say:
>Cars are awful
>Americans only like cars because they're brainwashed fatasses
>Everyone should bike
>City transportation should be redesigned around biking
>All long distance transportation needs should be met by trains
>All forms of commuting and housing that do not fit this model are bad
In person:
>Cyclists have zero awareness of their surroundings and are a danger to themselves and everyone around them
>This affects none of their beliefs

>>2024368
See >>2024367

>>2024369
>t. has no rebuttal

>>2024372
I'm not trying to debate you. Just some general life advice when "everyone" is trying to take away your car

>>2024373
>everyone

>>2024375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3ywuv8lJMs

>>2024368
not him but 'transportation activists' and 'cyclists' are two very distinct groups, and most serious cyclists are pro-car on some level.
Most athletes will drive to ride their bike, roadies, mtbers and every other niche.
And most cyclists who like wrenching, who appreciate bicycles as machines, will also be car nerds for the same reasons. If you like a Vitus Peugeot, you will probably also like a Peugeot 106 rallye.

Loving cars is not mutually exclusive with hating cars.

Most normies who drive everywhere and want to preserve the status quo don't actually like cars, they view them as expensive appliances, which they resent, and hate being in. They just lack the imagination to see any alternative.

>>2024368
and most urbanists, most transportation activists, don't even like bicycles.
Most of them ride soulless e-bikes, aren't very strong, and can't wrench.

>>2024408
I would go so far as to say urbanists hate bicycles. they also hate people, particularly those who live in cities, but that's another discussion. you know what actually I take it back. it's just different facets of the same issue. urbanism is driven by hate and a need to control people. it's pretty much the same as hard core christian fundamentalism but with Ctrl-H on some of the words.

>>2024415
The biggest tragedy of the anti-religion movement is that they blamed the vehicle (religion) for the problem, rather than the source (human nature and the innate desire to hate and control others). Now it's still there, but spread out all over the place.

>>2024431
would you say that inspiring people is a form of control?

>>2024464
It's a form of influence. It's a suggestion, but one people are inclined to follow.

"i pay someone else to fix my bike and i dont care about the new bike parts you just bought"

>>2012226
I don't think that guy has the physique to be a good cyclist

>>2000001 (OP)
>person "blocking traffic"
But this person is never a cyclist. It's always a cager.

>>2000001 (OP)
>At a surface level it is obviously meant to (proverbially) throw other cyclists under the bus
I've never said that, but I've thought it and it's not because I look down on other bicycle riders. It's because I'm not very fit or knowledgeable and I think I would bring down real cyclists if I tried associating myself with them.

>>2000001 (OP)
It's said by normal bike users that have common sense and manners that don't want to be associated with angry middle aged men clad in lycra that demand to be treated as a full size vehicle and refuse to let cars pass and then when it suits them violate traffic laws by going through red lights, using pedestrian crossings, mounting kerbs etc

>>2027672
I like how in one sentence you managed to rage at people for both using the roads and for using pedestrian infrastructure

Because actually you don't want people using bikes anywhere, at all, oh right no "muh bike lanes", john forester was right

>>2000008
>it's not meant to sway a cager, they will never care about anyone but themselves


Because of shit like this.

You people are insane, cars are normal and roads were literally designed for them not some guy going 10 mph to get around everywhere.

I ride my bike for fun but its the dumbest shit to tie your life around

>>2027704
I used to alternate between uber and bike in another city that was more car dependent, and a 35 minute trip by uber took 45 minutes by bike so regardless of your "designed for" fallacies it seems close enough to be worth considering especially in light of the comparative cost of ownership and quality of life

>>2000001 (OP)
I'm not a carist either. I love riding my bike but cyclists are the biggest faggots in the road.

>>2027882
That really seems outlandish to you? Where I live now bike is faster than car. I was just using that example to show that even in areas where it's not a distinct time advantage to be on a bike, it can still be a viable or even preferable option depending on the big picture.

>>2000002
By your logic we're all artists and musicians then too.

>>2000001 (OP)
I'm not a cyclist, I don't know how to ride a bike

>>2030030
t. the scared guido who lives in edgewater in his mafia uncle's apartment

>>2000263
What's wrong with riding to the park and getting a shaved ice? Sounds great

>>2011916
but if you're waiting for food do you not become the waiter

>>2000001 (OP)
When a cager says "cyclist" they think of a spandex ex-twink in their 30s-50s, who rides a VERY expensive bike, runs reds, and isn't trying to get to work or whatever, but does this (From the driver's perspective, blocking traffic/'playing in the street') purely for fun as though someone were doing yoga stretches in the road.
Versus someone in jeans/'normal' clothing or whatever on a beater steel that cost $15 on craigslist, and is just trying to get to work 'like a productive member of society,' so no one can really be mad at them.
That's the intention, OP. Though I suspect you know the difference.
The reason it gets brought up by riders is that the "Cyclist" is brought up as a reason to defund bike lanes "since they're not using them!"

>>2032043
>*posts hipster retro build that cost $2500 on ebay*
and I'm the snob for riding an allez with claris, unracers are unreal

>>2032066
It's a random special-ed with some random bars on it and some old, dry-rotted tires.
Remember asking price is not sale price on eBay.
I mean I'm rocking an old Trek 8000 with glued together alloy tubes, it works fine. My roadie's an old Columbus-steel Schwinn I paid $80 for and rebuilt.

>>2032066
That's a 150-200 dollar bike, and most of it is the bars, stem, seatpost, and seat.
A rockhopper like that should be findable around 50-100usd.

"cyclists" are typically bad-attitude tryhards with a pile of gay rules and codes.

>>2032182
that's how i sometimes feel about motorists, too, when i'm mad at one
of course upon reflection i understand that it's all nonsense and that assholes travel in all modes and that most road users in my everyday encounters are careful and complaisant
i can't imagine how hateful i would have to be that i would try to make up categories of "motorists i like" instead so i can keep on saying that motorists are evil

>>2032238
Do you align your tyre logo with your valve?

>>2032238
Remember humans are tribalistic and prefer to have an us vs them mentality. This is why so many are motorist vs cyclist, pedestrian vs motorist, communist vs capitalist, etc. Once you break the veil and realize they are humans like you(hard to see the person in the car). Then you can decipher whether they are a chronic asshole, or just having a bad day.

>>2032238
A little defensive there pal, touched a nerve?

>>2000001 (OP)
>What is the intent behind statements like "I'm not a cyclist, I'm just a person who gets around by bike"?
Because the image of "cyclist" is so repulsive to normies on so many levels that even people who like bikes don't want to identify with them. Meanwhile cyclists themselves only seem intent on making the problem worse.

In my native language of Polis, there is a word 'kolarz' whuch is one riding a bike as a sport and 'rowerzysta' which is more general. The OP seems to have the problem that English does not have this distinction and 'cyclist' us an obnoxious lycra cladded fag.

>>2032865
if you don't want to get stuck behind a cyclist maybe take a main road instead of some narrow farm road with sheep on it that was meant for local traffic

>>2032888
The pejorative intent is the fault of the people using the word. It's like how some flyover people will use the word "mexican" and think it's a slur and not the actual demonym of a person who is from the country whose name is "mexico".

The solution to this is not to make up a new word, but to educate people. If you want a slur, slurs already exist. If none exist, you are free to create one of your own. I believe someone here tried to force "downtuber" as a meme.

Notice how in the preceding paragraph, I said "flyover people" and not, say "midwesterns", because I wanted to express a negative view of the midwestern race and I used a slur that is available to me. If you wish to a person riding a bicycle on the basis of the fact that they are riding a bicycle, I'm sure you can do better than to say they are a person riding a bicycle.

>>2000001 (OP)
Pussies who won’t commit to the autism of their greater community.
Think of it like any other hobby and specifically internet weird shit.
“I’m not like other anime fans, I’m not a weaboo”
“I’m not like other furries, i think fursuits are cringe”
“I’m not like other car guys, i keep my muffler on”
etc etc, it’s trying to appease to normies that you’re still somehow one of them by agreeing you dislike the visible and distasteful part of your community, the normies don’t care, they think you’re cringe anyway.
Actually commit to the greater community. I am a MTB guy, won’t catch me dead on anything aero or with drop bars, fuck e-bikes, only the bmx guys are cooler than me.
But the roadies are still cyclists and I’m still bunched in with them and I’m gonna respect their sect of cycling regardless.

>>2011996
yup

>>2000001 (OP)
>At a surface level it is obviously meant to (proverbially) throw other cyclists under the bus, but to what end?
it's because cycling has been politicized by people purposefully driving slowly in front of traffic and then lecturing them about co2. i don't give two shits about co2, it's just a comfy way to get around if the environment allows for it.

>>2000001 (OP)
To translate it into /n/speech :
>I'm not a fred
simple as

>>2034927
Interesting take. I have never appealed to normies so I didn't think of it like this.
I always figured those people were tourists.
>>2032865
If you can't pass a guy doing 15mph up a road you don't deserve your license.

>>2034961
>it's because cycling has been politicized by people purposefully driving slowly in front of traffic
>traffic
and that's why cagers like you are dead wrong. You' just gonna stand on the next traffic lights 15 seconds earlier or behind the next column of cars 15 seconds earlier. Reckless driving won't save you time.
Also if I I'm in the middle of the lane and don't let you pass it's not safe to pass.

>>2034970
I don't even have a car, driving over 15mph isn't 'reckless driving'. How long is it really too unsafe to just go to the side? It's what everybody does in Holland, whom every cyclicst fetishizes as the greatest place to be. the nice thing is that it allows you as a cyclist to go into one-way streets because you're not actually hampering traffing one way or the other. Also the best biking paths there are in many cases what used to be the main roads between towns before the advent of rail and paved highways which both have more efficient routes as the land for that was mostly bought and developed in the 19th and 20th century rather than growing naturally over time. because who really wants to cycle in town? your pic looks boring af. where do you want to go? just annoy the cars behind you for a few miles to enter another ugly blocky building like the one you left? or do you want to spend a full day (at least) making it to the next blocky town 50 miles over?

>>2034986
Why are you poor?

>>2034927
you coast down hills, opinion discarded

>>2000050
lycra is hot if you are. the government should just setup permits for lycra and beachwear, maybe with an app or site to ask for one and give anonymous verdicts as a sort of jury duty on others' approvals. if you want to wear lycra you should fit some Appolonian beauty standard and the same goes for 'beachwear' or any other risque women's clothing.

>>2034917
Border state here: Mexicans, Salvadorians, Hondurans, all look the same. They all get lumped in as Mexicans because it makes no difference to us.
You tell me, is pic from Mexico, El Salvador, or Honduras? They all think this shit is cool.

>>2034991
mexico. northern mexico. nobody wears those fucking boots anywhere past zacatecas. this isn't hard, anon.

>>2000001 (OP)
"Cyclists" are fags who deserve to get run down. Riding a bike is for fun.

>>2037437
le edgelord over here wow

>>2000001 (OP)
That's what happens when your language is primitive.
In complex languages there are two words that mean two different things: someone who rides a bicycle - and someone who cycles for sport.

>>2037440
you're welcome to leave this site and quit using our primitive language whenever you want.
see you tomorrow, shmuck

>>2037440
>>2037487
I'm not sure who to side with here because you both seem like terrible people

>>2034989
idk I thought bianchi-kun looked good in lycra and they weren't "appolonian"

>>2029985
Yes.

>>2000001 (OP)
wow that's an old thread and some digits. where's that image frame from? a movie?

>>2027704
>You people are insane

reaching straight for the top shelf with a histrionic overreaction, aren't you, dumb fuck?

>>2000068
you're still a cyclist. none of that other shit you said matters at all, you're a cyclist and a motorist on the road doesn't differentiate between you and someone in in a spandex bodysuit and an aero helmet riding a meme sled. not trying to be an overly abrasive dick about this disregarding everything you're saying it's just that literally none of it matters because the only thing necessary for you to be a cyclist is the fact that you ride a bike.

>>2000717
retarded false equivalences, yes there is such a thing as a cycling community, you'd know that if you had any fucking friends

>>2000098
>Except practically everyone in the world has ridden a bicycle before
Because most people (except americans) are dirt poor

>>2000001 (OP)
Because in the US the term cyclist carries the connotation of being a lycra-clad doche canoe riding a $5k bike 10mph on a 35mph road clogging it for miles.

>>2042041
Hint: People like you describe do not actually exist. And if they did, they wouldn't clog a road for miles. Also, cyclists would prefer riding literally anywhere else than on a high traffic 35mph+ road, but in most of the US the only alternative is a home trainer.

>>2032145
>That's a 150-200 dollar bike
no it isn't

>>2000001 (OP)
I don't want to be associated with midlife crisis retards that dress in lycra, hog the middle of the road and just ride around for fun during commuter hours, acting aggressively at anyonen that dares try to pass them. I cycle to work and I stay as close the the pavement (sidewalk) as possible and occasionally pull in completely to let cars past.

>>2043673
>im a little slow fat pussy who is too timid to inconvenience a motorist uwu
okay? Just accept that you are a beta don’t come on here trying to claim moral high ground its pathetic

>>2043678
What are you feigning suprise that people don't want to be associated with you when you're exhibiting the exact behaviour you know alienates everyone?

>>2043705
Im not feigning surprise, im calling you a fucking basedboy because you are one. Im glad you don’t want to be associated with cyclists, i don’t want to be associated with you. enjoy your commute lmaoo
>i stay as close to le sidewalk as possible!
you are going to get rear ended round a blind corner, people who actually cycle use the middle of the road to avoid this. I could have kept that information to myself but i felt sorry for you.

>>2043726
>Im not feigning surprise
I was assuming you were the OP and referring to that. If you're not then I'm not particularly interested in your opinion as I wasn't talking to you.

>>2043732
im gonna sprinkle glass along your commute every day and get you fired for being late repeatedly

>>2001342
>the Netherlands
>not urbanized and poor long range transport
what fucking world do you live on, because there's a bunch of farms no cityfag would ever need to go to?

>>2027695
grow up and stop playing with children's toys perhaps

>>2043678
Ah yes, you're a real chad by being an obnoxious faggot who relies on daddy government to stop literally everyone who comes across you from running you down.

>>2043919
overly defensive cycling is much more obnoxious. it reduces general safety. when cyclists don't claim the appertaining space it incentivises risky maneuvers in others

>>2043785
good luck, I'm on pirelli cinturato velo with stans race sealant

>>2043911
>"man up"
>look inside
>debt accumulation
Ok?

>>2043673
>I cycle to work and I stay as close the the pavement (sidewalk) as possible and occasionally pull in completely to let cars past.

It's not enough information. There are many situations, this would be the correct choice in many of them.

>>2000001 (OP)
they're hoping you'll not keep asking them if they're a cyclist by implying that is a dead end request

just think of all the times you've heard i have a boyfriend

>>2000684
Too scary. Don't read.

NJBtards all seem to think that modern bikes that aren't a heavy clunky piece of shit are just for racing dentists or that sophisticated yuropeans only ride clunky pieces of shit, but if you look at what the commuting cyclists in europe ACTUALLY, ride it's only the 60+ grannies and twee "dark academia" larpers you see riding those rust barges, most actual commuters have bikes with modern comforts like wide range cassettes and drop bars. Tourists see the town square is filled with rusted up pieces of trash and conclude that's representative of the bikes that people ride when in reality it shows you which bikes people DON'T ride. Look at the bikes people are actually riding if you want a realistic sample set. Guaranteed at least 1/3 of them are closer in spirit to a 2025 Madone than to a rusted out Peugeot with a coaster brake, at least for able bodied adults who aren't trying to look like Amelie.

>>2051605
agreed. At my last job odds just made it such that my whole departement arrived by bime so I fit right in. Most were on flat bars. But:
All dailies frames were alloy, everyone had decent brakes, often disc even, everyone had indexed gearing and so on. Ofc me and a few other bike nuts would, from time to time, ride a bike to work because it's a meme or fun to ride sometimes.
But 99% of time everyone just arrived on what you'd call a commuter / hybrid / roadster / city bike whatevs.
None of that hipster shit thats terminally locked up outside of the radically left bar.

>>2000001 (OP)
if you wear lycra, you're a cyclist

simple as

>>2051738
And by extension, if you wear $900 worth of "I'm not one of those judgmental cyclist pricks" cycling clothing, you're not a cyclist, you're just a regular guy who happens to ride a bike (which happens to cost about $7000 while being as slow as a $250 BSO but that doesn't matter, what's important is showing off that you're neither a poor loser who rides a BSO nor are you an asshole tryhard who enjoys things, you're better than EVERYONE which makes you morally superior and nonjudgmental)

>>2002894
>thing, usa :(
>thing, Europe :)

>>2037437
You sound like someone that deserves to get shot through the neck.

>>2043919
>>2054211

>>2000001 (OP) >>2000002
>What is the intent behind statements like "I'm not a cyclist, I'm just a person who gets around by bike"?

I've heard variations of this across the decades. My take on it is based on the context of those people saying it to me at those times. The bicycle users who are NOT cyclists wear regular clothes and have practical bicycles. The "Cyclist" category of bicycle user wears bicycle clothing and/or uses those $4000 and up bicycles.

The advent of electric bikes (aka ebikes) brought in a lot of new bicycle users even if the vehicle they use is an electrically-assisted bicycle. Yes, I have to say it this stilted way. That's because the USA states actually have definitions for bicycles, ebikes, and moped (pedal-assisted motorized vehicle). My state defines ebikes as have a MAX of 750 watts and lumps them into the bicycle category. Above 750 watts and it is no longer in the bicycle realm and may need to be licensed. Therefore, the state has indirectly defined what a Cyclist or casual bicycle user is not.

>>2002894
lmao what fantasy land do you live in that there is significant biking infrastructure anywhere outside the major cities in the netherlands

>>2002894
This is pretty good bait

>>2054244
People who say shit like "I resent American Cycling culture. I wish I was in Europe" are extremely unlikely to have ventured outside the red light district in amsterdam, assuming they've been to europe at all

>>2000068
>usually have a backpack too

today a "cyclist" in full cycling gear got crazy road rage and threatened to kill me because I was walking on a shared use path and didn't dive out of the way to avoid him.
I should have recorded it but my top concern at the time was to get out of the situation.
pedestrians have right of way here, not that anyone ever gave a shit.
so honestly fuck bicycles and the people who ride them.
they make all forms of transit worse.

>>2000001 (OP)
I just want to make it clear to prolly that I'm not one of you freaks and I'll never ride a disc shit bike or wear Lycra.

>>2056383
The fuck is wrong with backpacks? Are you retarded?

>>2056881
it's the american way of thinking
>children wear backpacks therefore backpacks are for children
>real men should carry things only in lifted trucks

>>2056883
Even americans think americans with that mental gymnastics are retarded

>>2056878
Yes I'm sure it was because you didn't dive out of the way and not because you did something dangerous/unpredictable because of a startle response. Still a noob move on his part to not expect pedestrians to behave like morons but there's two sides to every story

>>2056881
There was an anti-backpack period during the #menswear slim fit fad when pocket squares and loud socks were all the rage, men were expected to carry something resembling a large purse and wearing a backpack was heavily stigmatized. That's not really a thing anywhere in places that are on the leading edge of trends, but you have to keep in mind flyover land is still going through peak beard with all the baggage that entailed

>>2000001 (OP)
>dude I'm not a foamer, I swear, I'm just on the train to commute
whatever you say, autismo

>>2056878
you sound like a sperg.

>>2056902
No obviously a crazy man wearing lycra attacked him for no reason at all, these things happen sometimes. Like when the crazed cyclist in England bashed Dawkins's car window "out of nowhere". Oddly enough the camera system in Dawkin's state of the art self driving car malfunctioned and lost the footage and there's a 5 minute gap, so we can't verify this, but trust me bro, it happened for no reason at all.

>>2000001 (OP)
I feel like we are arguing difference between a once in a while hobby, and a full time activity.

Where is the line in the sand drawn?
If you ride a bike a COUPLE hours, for a FEW days, 3 Weeks a month, for 7 months a year.
Is that full time?

what if you ride 2 hours a day, 2 days a week, 2 weeks a month, for 5 months a year.
Is that full time?

Look if you ride like 5 hours a day, 5 days a week, 4 weeks a month, and 10 months a year.
That is probably full time.

Where is the line drawn?
There's a subtle difference between once in a while, and most of the time.
How do you figure it out?

Is the argument stupid? Are we splitting hairs?

>>2056903
>>2056902
>>2056894
I didn't say a single word to him. Why do you assume the victim isn't telling the full story? Imagine defending road rage. What the fuck

>>2056911
dude just admit you jumped into him.

>>2056881
Backpacks are for school children. It's like seeing a grown man wearing children's pajamas. It gives women the ick.

>>2056914
does anything NOT give women the ick?

>>2056913
I did not, but if i'd had it still wouldn't justify threats of violence

>>2056917
yes you did lol stop coping lil bro

>>2056918
no I did not

>>2056920
you're kinda weird

>>2056915
>581. Not coming up with an ick

>>2056915
>587. don't let anything not be an ick

>>2056920
yes you did fagget

>>2027704
the usa has no sweet crude oil left, wars are being started around the world so you can have cheap gas. Isnt it weird how biden dipped into the reserves when Saudi jacked up opec prices, then oct 7th happened, and then suddenly prices went back down again? Weird huh?

Yah sure, I'm insane. Im cuh-razy, cookoo.