Road signs. What do you think of them? Which country does them the best? Would you change anything in the Vienna Convention on Road Signs and Signals?

>>2022126 (OP)
>Slow children

>>2022126 (OP)
>What do you think of them?
That's like asking "what do you think of the metric system" or "what do you think of binary", it's a way to convey information to drivers quicker than writing. I think most are distinct enough that you can recognize without mixing them up.
>Which country does them the best?
Any following the Vienna conventiondoes fine (because standard is better than perfect), but I would argue to not have writing in the signs, because again, it needs to be quick and easy to know the meaning, and visual information gets processed quicker than writing.
>Would you change anything in the Vienna Convention on Road Signs and Signals?
No writing allowed, also color blind-friendly traffic sign I guess?

>>2022136
Traffic lights I mean.

>>2022126 (OP)
>cross out blue sign means no parking
some of the European signs are fucking retarded. I also wouldn't know what a bicycle in a red circle would mean. you could argue it means bicycle road.

>>2022136
please rephrase this completely reasonable post into something more along the lines of OH NO NO NO NLISSIES OUR RESPONSE??????, it is better for thread engagement

I think bike paths intersecting with car lanes should use standard priority signs as standard intersections

i like the aesthetics of Japanese signs

>>2022671
>sliproad loops depicted on the sign
It's shit. British road signs mog literally everyone else.

>>2022126 (OP)
I think UK wins. The red outlines are too thick on the NL signs, looks out of balance. USA and Aus have too much writing. The only thing UK fails on is not having a red bar through the bike. Never understood this.

>>2022713
As the other anon explained, a red circle will always be prohibitive, so a red bar is superfluous.
Pic related is an end of minimum speed sign. The blue background without the red circle indicates an order, so a bar through it means that the order is no longer in effect.

The opposite of the red circle bicycle sign is the one without the red circle and with a blue background, meaning that only bicycles may proceed.

>>2022696
HGV driver here, if only diversion signs were this good, or if they were even put in place most of the time

>>2022714
>a red circle will always be prohibitive
Circles are generally permissive and the red slash through something is universally understood as "not allowed," so the slash is better

>>2022126 (OP)
mutts, oddly enough.

>>2022788
no, too much text, especially for the warning sigs

speaking of warning signs, white or yellow?

>>2022719
>Circles are generally permissive
Not the best assumption to make when no entry signs and speed limits are both circular.

>>2022794
that's because, if you want to get technical, circular signs are Orders, whereas triAngulAr signs are wArnings. thus, a speed limit sign, like 'no entry' and 'bikes only' is an order, so they're a circle. 'look out for kids' and 'give way' are warning you that unpredictable small humans are around, and that you don't have right of way, respectively.

>>2022792
yellow, there is nothing warningy about white

>>2022797
>that's because, if you want to get technical, circular signs are Orders
I don't see how this would imply a permissive order (i.e. do X) over a prohibitive order (i.e. don't do X).

>>2022808
>a permissive order (i.e. do X)
that's because circular signs, per the Highway Code, are mostly prohibitive, not permissive:
>https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs#:~:text=Signs%20with%20red%20circles%20are%20mostly%20prohibitive.%20Plates%20below%20signs%20qualify%20their%20message.

For me it's Finnish ones.
The yellow color and thick outline especially are appreciated in snowy conditions.

>>2022829
>i say that a red circle will always be prohibitive on a post explaining that only a blue circle is permissive
>anon says that circles are generally permissive
>i bring up examples where this is not the case
>you bring up some fact that I had already posted
>i ask how your post backs up the other post about how circles are generally permissive
>you bring up the red circle example as a counterpoint to that other anon's post, which is what i was originally talking about
Why don't you follow the conversation first before replying to it?

>>2022671
>japanese signs
Woahhhhhh
sugoi desu ne。。

>>2022898
Why do you assume you're talking to the same person? This isn't a chatroom or IRC channel.

I find it hilarious that Quebec has stop signs that say "ARRET" but stop signs in France say "STOP"
what cucks

>>2022946
I don't, that's precisely why I differentiate between "anon" and "you" in my previous post.
Your posts are also a lot more formulaic than you think, that and your lack of consideration for context leads me to believe that you're a bot.

Having road signs with text is not a good idea imo. Signs like that should have simple symbology so that they can be understood regardless of your language and require no translations.

What were they cooking when they designed Philadelphia's street signs?
>6-sided
>lists address block numbers in both directions (also was very first city to display block numbers)
>puts cardinal designation of street in its own space
>has optional space on the bottom to list any additional information (street name changes or no outlet ahead, arterial/route designation, honorary/secondary names, etc)

Japanese, Chinese and similar languages have an advantage because their text comes naturally in a top-to-bottom orientation

This could come in useful if you want to display the street name straight ahead at an intersection
IDK if they actually use it that way

does your country have any rare or unique road signs?

>>2023017
I've seen vertical direction signs in Taiwan but I don't think they're utilised in China and Japan. I don't think they'd be particularly useful since you'd know the name of the road when you turn onto it at an intersection.

>>2023041
Idk about other cunts but we have hazard signs for every large mammal in the country, including the drawbridge.

>>2023041
We're probably the only country where level crossing signs still depict a steam train, since the UK stopped using steam trains in 1968 whereas our current signage design was introduced in 1965.

>>2023053
nope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_European_road_signs
However UK doesn't have a pedestrian crossing sign apparently?

>>2023041
I think the lollipop sign is unique to Poland

>>2023054
I'm surprised because a lot of those countries would've stopped using steam by the time those signs were introduced.
The page you've linked does show a pedestrian crossing warning sign for the UK, but it's not something I see often, probably because the flashing lights are visible enough.

Anyway height and width restrictions in the UK are always shown in both metric and imperial units. I'm not sure if there's another country that does the same thing.

>>2023058
a steam train is just very distinctive and will not be confused with a bus tram or truck

>>2023061
Still, the German EMU design looks distinctive enough and wouldn't look out of place in the 60s either.

>>2023049
I can't say I've seen anything but the deer before.

>>2023060
>4.4m
>low

>>2023041
we had to start adding "yield" to railroad signs because people couldn't figure out the train doesn't stop for you

>>2023041
Do other countries have Amish?

>>2023041
>>2023049
We have signs that warn drivers they may encounter the metric system

>>2022126 (OP)
They are important
Germany
No, but in Germany, speed limits should be announced following an unlimited section, like pic related. It would give drivers a better idea of when to brake and also to just let it roll instead of actively braking.

>>2022715
Not exactly, the blue circle more specifically says that bicycle have to take that bike path and therefore aren't allowed on the main road. The sign is square if the bike path/lane is optional.

Red triVngle pointed downwards should always be a STOP. No letters needed. What is the greatest STOP sign?

>>2023184
You're wrong. I got that image from the highway code traffic signs page itself.
>https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs
>Route to be used by pedal cycles only
All you have to do is remember that blue circle = permissive, red circle = prohibitive.

>>2023223
Japanese spotted

>>2023256
Yeah, my bad. It does mean what I said this side of the channel, that's what I was confused about.
https://www.loirelifecycling.com/french-road-signs-for-cyclists/

>>2023304
I suppose the French sign is fundamentally the same as the British sign in the sense that they can both be reduced down to
>if you are using this lane, you must use a bicycle
but the French sign adds an extra prohibitive order forbidding you from using the adjacent road.

>>2022792
>Dicks hang right
>Dicks hang left
>Go forward, take a right because you thought this was the turn, but it's actually a block up
>Same thing, but to the left
>Here there be treasure
>Stick your arms out and pretend you're an airplane
>Oh no you lost a wing
>Oh no you lost the other wing instead
>I think someone's gonna try to merge on the right
>Nope fucker's coming from the left
>Recycle
>You should consider a picket fence around your yard
>Choo choo
>Why not stop and enjoy an Almond Joy?
>Sick jump ahead
>The transit planner was hungover when drafting these road
>Right lane ends
>Left lane ends
>Sick jump over water ahead
>Don't forget to scoop the cat poop from the litterbox when you get home
>88mph to engage the flux capacitor
>Bowling pins ahead
>Smaller bowling pins ahead
>Free beef
>Free venison
>Yo check out the wind sock
>I can't remember the Konami code, someone please stop and help me
>You're about to get stuck behind a trolley
>Time to save gas and fuck up your breaks
>Time to burn gas
>Douchebags around
>This is a good place to smash your car and get an insurance payout
>This water feature doesn't have a sick jump
>Your car drank a red bull now it has wings
>Stoplight
>They found you, Snake!
>Here there be Elsa
>Your car will have many happy children
>Your car needs a nap
>Planned Boeing crash site ahead
>Drive on the shoulder rumble strips
>Drive on the wrong shoulder's rumble strips
>Look upside down ahead.

>>2022696
>>sliproad loops depicted on the sign
>It's shit
What? It's great to know you're on the right lane if you get on a loop. I see 0 drawbacks to this.

>roadsign erected on all of /n/ streets

>>2023518
The loop itself is a waste of space on the sign and is simply superfluous information that has to be processed by the driver.
If you're talking about lanes, then pic related actually states explicitly what lane you need to be on for your destination, which the Japanese example fails to do.

>>2022126 (OP)
why no round signs in the US? why all those round signs have to be on a rectangular background?

>>2023053
>the UK stopped using steam trains in 1968
there's a few private heritage lines about, usually quite short

>>2023041

>>2023570
Yes but they're vastly dwarfed by the number of mainline steam trains which is what the signs were pertinent to. I'm sure heritage railways exist in other countries.

>>2023575
Pic is a real thing here.
People know what a steam train looks like. Modern trains at the pictogram level may as well be a representation of an Amazon delivery van.

>>2023577
Mainline referring to its use on the mainline by TOCs rather than the tiny proportion of services on the mainline operated by railtour companies.

>>2022965
>having a sign not written in English in a non english-speaking country equals being a cuck
Maybe you need to check the definition of "cuck"

>>2022126 (OP)
From this? Definitely USA and Australia.
Also, I'm pretty sure the signs in Australia say "Yield" not "Give way"

>too much writing
So fucking what? They're all still recognisable at a glance even if you can't read at all, and now also self-explanatory. Note the yellow alert signs for bicycles and retarded children, eurobros just slap a triangle with a red border like it's banning children or something.

>>2022884
What do all these fucking euro signs with blue and random crosses mean? At least an American or Australian sign writes what it means. Some of them are even retarded enough to write on it anyway, but still don't say what law applies in this "zone". WTF.

>>2022988
very based

>>2023550
Actually don't think there are any round signs in Aus either -- speed limit signs are in red circles but they're still put on a white rectangular background

>>2024662
>>2024660
most retarded arguments ever. it doesn't matter if a prohibitory sgin is red or yellow. you're not supposed to guess. you're supposed to be thaught this at school at 6 years old anyways

>>2024700
>hurr durr why should signs be obvious? ur supposed 2 learn them all 10 years before you drive because you are so enthusiastic as a child about serving our glorious communist regime

>>2023273
the Greatest Road sign. RED triVangle

>>2022671
>road signs, japan

>>2022719
No, the vienna convention works like this
>White circles with red outline: prohibitive (e.g. speed limits, no parking, no overtaking etc)
>Blue circles: commands (e.g. minimum speed limits)
>Triangles point upwards: hazards
>Triangle point downwards: give way
>Octogon: stop
>Rectangles: directions and information

Stop and give way are distinct shapes to make sure you can tell what they are even if snowed/iced over.

>>2024662
>blue and random crosses
No parking is one line across the circle, no stopping is an X across the circle.

>>2023577
It's like the floppy pictogram as save. Give it 20 years, and there will be children who never heard of the Little Engine that Could or Shining Time Station. Then the signs will change.

>>2022126 (OP)
Portugal
btw, we use yellow background, instead of white, for temporary signs (roadworks, etc.), including horizontal markings.

>>2022792
>>2026878

>>2025030
it used to be a give way triangle sign on a prohibition circle

I hate how "turn left/right before the sign" and "keep left/right" look the same"

Even more so because it's a circular sign and can easily be mounted wrong or easily skewed and you wouldn't even know

this is what the french use. interesting

this one is apparently "Mandatory passage straight to the right" as opposed to the more typical "Pass sign on the left side"
idk the difference

>>2024660
yield is not a thing in aus. noone says that and it's not on any signs.

I think American signs are generally too reliant on text to convey information, but their "give way ahead" and "stop ahead" signs make much more sense.

I was oddly surprised reading the 1978 Highway Code (UK) how pretty much the same it is today; not much changed. I thought, for example, the minimum speed limit sign was a modern thing.

>>2027885

>>2027885
There is no need to fix what is already working.

>>2027911
And it would need to be very broken to justify re-educating all drivers on the new signs.

>>2027916
Fonty fact
Transport is a sans serif typeface first designed for road signs in the United Kingdom. It was created between 1957 and 1963 by Jock Kinneir and Margaret Calvert as part of their work as designers for the Department of Transport's Anderson and Worboys committees.

Don't let them touch that stuff they'd mess with the font.

>>2025995
>It's like the floppy pictogram as save.

Speaking of: "attention - art photography!"

This sign has seen some fluctuation in color. The new ones are blue now, meaning "instructional"; yellow is used in prohibitive signs but squares are mostly reserved for extra plates under the main sign.

>>2023049
>no capybara warning
ngmi

>>2027989
I wanted to contrast how the Greenlanders, who all speak Greenlandic, use a normal stop sign. while in Nunavut they use non standard stop signs. But due to superior Danish traffic engineering, and lack of country roads, I can't find a single stop sign in Greenland on Google maps. Just yield signs and roundabouts.

>>2028041
>found one near a research station
wtf Greenland

>>2022126 (OP)
Mostly USA for me.
I fucking hate the needless minimalism trend, using red to say both "warning" and "forbidden" is idiotic when you got plenty of other colors left.

now take a look at these lane indicator signs. what do you think is the best solution?

poland: only your direction shown, not the cars going the other way (here's it shows a bike lane but would also indicate turn lanes in other places)

>>2027989
the checkerboard here looks very aesthetic

welp I was gonna post hungary because they showed the opposite direction's lane with arrow in the same direction and a no entry sign covering. but must have been a one off thing.

>>2028144

>>2028041
They have a sign for almost every endemic language in Canada

>>2028144
What the fuck?

>>2027984
Still can't tell if this is an old style camera facing right or if it is a normal camera facing straight ahead

>>2023070
Why do I need to watch it specifically for pelicans?

When you actually yield for people and they give you the flouride stare.

>>2022142
I would assume it means bike only

>>2023041
not sure about other countries, but here we have official road signs for e.g. massage parlors (picrel), vineyards and car dealerships

>>2029357
Our vineyard/winery signs are usually just grapes on a burgundy sign

Which country has the best font?

>>2022126 (OP)
US-style signs are obviously the best but only work if everyone on the road speaks English.

>>2029622
So... they're not the best

>>2029623
No that's the exact opposite of what I said. Can't you read?

>>2029626
Shouldn't the 'best road signs' be ones legible to anyone of any background? If only certain people can understand them, that's a failure of their entire purpose.

>>2029629
>Shouldn't the 'best road signs' be ones legible to anyone of any background?
No? Road signs only need be legible to the people who will be driving on said roads.

>>2029630
And in a country with loads of foreigners...

>>2029631
...

>>2029632
...maybe wouldn't it be best to have road signs be intelligible to them as well?

>>2029634
Why?

>>2029631
And native minorities who pretend not to speak English when Englishmen are around.
(Derry and North Wales)

>>2029361
same as here then, just instead of a burgundy sign it uses the standard blue "service sign" template

Always was a fan of the "Elephants this way" sign we have in the UK

Also, do any other countries have these goofy residential zone signs with the asymetric squares for windows and doors?

Based Singapore signs.

what do i care about what road signs say? i bike around so that i get to ignore them

I with my country would have this Chinese road sign

That's also neat.

Those chinese signs while neat just show the layout, In most countries you'd have instead signs that show priority roads instead. But idk maybe they use multiple signs too

>>2022126 (OP)
Africans don't read road signs. Every single roundabout is a traffic jam.

not a legal sign, but I wonder how you could do it better. the road splits before the tower ahead

>>2030200
I puzzled that out by looking before I read your post so I'm gonna say it's fine

>>2030222
Sure but using only actual signs allowed in your country? And not looking like someone was drunk when placing the straight arrows

>>2028153
It's a totem pole.

May I interest you with this magnificent tram & bus signal thing in Dresden I think.

>>2022126 (OP)
The best road signs are the ones from where I learnt to drive and every other counties signs are confusing and suck ass, it’s just that simple

>>2030222
>>2030200
The reason it's a problem is that the arrow pointing to a top corner signifies the lane is about to merge into another one. Here they used something that can be confused for both that and a straight ahead arrow which is terrible design

>>2030730
>>2030200
Here's a much more unambiguous design.

>>2028042
TIL: There exists a Vianna convention round stop sign.

This abomination was in use for 14 years in Finland before the international design won.

>_warning_ orange background
>no text, universal pictogram instead
>either triangular, circular or octagonal; which ever you choose

>>2023041
>Weird signs
Took me ages to work out what this one meant.

>>2022126 (OP)
The US invented road signage standards, fuck europe.

>>2023495
>Recycle

>>2023106
i can't imagine there's another country where encountering a carriage is so unusual that road users would have to be warned in advance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcg7k6PHcnY

>>2022717
Do you ever get board driving? Or do you listen to podcasts and audio books all the time and end up at wizard levels of consciousness?

Whatever Viz may say I don't believe tou killed any prostitutes.

What's the US equivalent?

>>2025880
>Stop and give way are distinct shapes to make sure you can tell what they are even if snowed/iced over.

Also, you typically have to look for the backs of these signs to know if you have priority in the intersection or not. (Though usually the general road layout makes it clear enough.) Because they are very stingy with these >>2031484 around here.

Like the priority sign is reserved for high speed country roads and never seen in urban environment. The sign tells you that all the intersecting 'carriageways' are to yield. This, even if most of them don't have the fucking yield sign, just a name sign, which is supplied by the road maintainer, that is the sole owner of the road, or like a cooperative with 3 members in it. That you are supposed to yield coming from there because there is a priority road is just 'everyone knows' territory. Besides, the cars are going 100 at the main road and you ar approaching at 30, what are you supposed to do even if you are coming from the right? Many of such places where there is no priority sign yet this is what you do.

Just learned that burgers use stop at literally 90% of intersections. Seems really pointless. You don't need to actually full stop at roads with good visibilty and with no one coming.
In Europe almost all of them would be just yield signs.

>>2032943
The worst is the 4-way stop. Most of those places would be fine with a hierarchical road structure, or a roundabout

>>2033175
>The worst is the 4-way stop.
Why?
>Most of those places would be fine with a hierarchical road structure,
What's that mean?
>or a roundabout
They take up a lot more room than a 4-way stop, driving up the cost. Also terrible for 18 wheelers to get through unless the radius is sufficiently large, which again drives up the cost.

>>2033175
>>2033177
4-way stop seems to be the same as an equal intersection in europe. although I assume it's distributed differently

why does my country have this sign but not the opposite, "no turning left and right"

>>2034815

>>2033213
We don't need to stop. Just yield to the right.

>>2034815
Vagina
>>2034821
Penis
Haha

How about rare signal lights?

>>2022126 (OP)
swiss road signs are just better

>>2023041
Hey guys, could you slow down maybe?

I hate the dutch keep right/left signs

>>2035680
slowing down? i would never.

>>2035680
What road is this?

nice

It annoys me that we need 2 signs to signify priority in places like this.

how about something like this instead

Or more realistically

And obviously the other way round which looks more janky due to being inside a triangle, but we manage it with the warning signs

>>2036936
Interstate 68

>>2037141
not to be confused with Maryland Route 68

>>2023653
I think he's insulting the French in this case not the québécois.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium#New_road_signs
holy crap what an upgrade

Greece has to have the ugliest signs in Europe
They all look hand painted

>>2022142
Circles are commands.
Triangles are warnings
Rectangles are directions and information.

Red circles are prohibitive.- e.g. speed limits, no bicycles
Blue circles are directive - e.g. minimum speed, arrows indicating a direction you must go

>>2022142
in Europe you take an exam to get a driving license. I assume this must not the case in your country

>>2037200
*the most soulful

>>2022126 (OP)
Signage and road markings should be kept to a minimum, it's a form of visual pollution

>>2023041
behold: the hook turn

>>2037352
If you need road signs you're not familiar with the area and shouldn't be there.

>>2037131
one sign, same thing

Official guidelines in my country.
Overkill? 4 signs on each road when you could have just one.

>>2022884
Thanks for the GeoGuessr study tips anon

>>2040363
They paywalled that didn't they?

>>2023103
Just wait, right of way for cars on level crossings is just one executive order away.

Think fast chucklenuts

>>2022126 (OP)
US and Australia are the best

>>2022965
Yeah, I agree, I wish we changed our «STOP» signs to say «ARRESTA».

>>2022965
In many parts of Latin America that Stop signs don't even say "Stop" in Spanish or English, they say "Alto" which just means "tall" or "high" because someone fucked up somehow and meant to have the stop signs say "Halto" which means Halt, but they left out the H and now the stop signs don't make any sense in any language and they just kind of accept this.

>>2044301
What? At least Argentina, Brazil and Chile write "PARE" on their stop signs, which means stop.

>>2029357
The argentines have this abomination, and yes, these are installed by "Vialidad Nacional"

>>2044664
I know for a fact in Mexico the stop signs say "Alto" and I'm pretty sure it's like that in a couple other LatAm countries

>>2044301
Nigga stfu "alto" means stop

It pisses me off how my country has to have a big ass blue billboard for announcing the simple thing of having a danger after a turn on an intersection instead of just having a plaque with an arrow

>>2044694
>Mexicans move to America and refuse to learn English
>Mexicans live in Mexico and don't even know Spanish
it's all so tiresome

>>2044679
conosur keeps winning

>>2044301
>ALTO
Rude
>>2044664
>PARE
I'll stop, you asked nicely.
Peru uses PARE btw.
And if you don't speak the language, that red shape is enough. And you shouldn't be driving if you're colorblind

>>2046617
>And if you don't speak the language, that red shape is enough. And you shouldn't be driving if you're colorblind
True, which is why Mexican stop signs would unironically make more sense if there was no words on it at all

Just had an idea. Does any country do this? Imagine if the right turners get their own dedicated merge-in lane so they don't need to stop

>>2046659
Several states in the US already allow you to turn right on a red light/stop sign, including California, and you'll find many instances where inersections have dedicated right turn lanes.

>>2046664
but how are those instances marked with road signs
>and you'll find many instances where inersections have dedicated right turn lanes.
well yeah, that's everywhere. what I'm about is the situation where different turns have different priority rules about stopping or just yielding.

>>2046708
>what I'm about is the situation where different turns have different priority rules about stopping or just yielding.
It's common for signaled intersections in the US to have yield signs for right turns rather than requiring a full stop. Usually intersections protected only by signs don't have a dedicated right turn lane in the first place so a yield for such a lane at such an intersection is uncommon.

>>2035861

I find it to be a rather easy read, honestly. Just a sign saying "Stay here and it ought to be fine".

>>2046789
I don't like them because the arrow looks like it could be facing the other way when looking at it from far away

>>2046848

I guess? Knowing the Dutch way of traffic constructions (and their utter haphazardness) it might be confusing for some, but usually I prefer it to not knowing which lane I should keep on things like those giant raised roundabouts in Amersfoort.

in a 2003 international study, this road sign was the least understood

>>2047407
isn't that just the maryland flag?

>>2022126 (OP)
>YIELD
I kneel...

>>2022126 (OP)
How do you guys do your route markers? US has the interstate and US highway markers as standard, but state highways are a free for all. Most popular trends are "number in a box" and "number inside an outline of the state".

>>2047462
Just a plaque with color and number
but for the lower class roads it has a hidden feature of telling you the axle weight limit that you can tell by looking if the border is black, white or both

>>2022126 (OP)
UK:
>add "NO ENTRY" to the no entry sign
>make it obvious (because it so often isn't) where the no entry line is by mandating a white line with spikes pointing out in the direction you can't enter from
>add a diagonal bar to the "no (this kind of vehicle)" sign like Australia
all I can think of
we need a new sign for "bike lane ends; give way to cyclists merging in" as well

>>2035601
are the UK and Switzerland the only countries to still have a steam loco on their unbarriered level crossing signs?
In the UK it's supposedly a GWR Castle-class; I wonder what the swiss one is.

>>2047462
>Most popular trends are "number in a box" and "number inside an outline of the state".
For most US states, both are the same.