Thread 2022515

Damn wtf are we supposed to do

>>2022518
30km/h isn't everywhere and while it may be a fine pace for you and I 90% of people are slow as fuck on their bikes and hold up everyone. Just widen the road plop and down a bike lane. Can even be at the cost of parking spaces idgaf.

>We dont have crazy niggers and wiggers that get one with 20 bucks and 1 hour of driving on a parking lot.
We still have enough morons on the streat who get it together for the exam and drive like absolute dogshit afterwards, I know some of them. You also have that thing for life and most people become worse drivers with age.

>>2022515 (OP)
I would be all for it. Sounds like our guy Doug here actually is a cyclist and understands cyclists needs.

>>2022515 (OP)
>Doug Ford
Praise Ford
>"Once lots of human beings have been produced, the problem becomes how to make them serve the economy in their everyday lives. “The problem was to find an economically sounder reason for consuming transport than a mere affection for primroses and landscapes. […] ‘We condition the masses to hate the country,’ concluded the Director. ‘But simultaneously we condition them to love all country sports. At the same time, we see to it that all country sports shall entail the use of elaborate apparatus. So that they consume manufactured articles as well as transport.’” Elaborate steps are taken to circumvent what’s “natural,” to such a degree that those who prefer simpler pastimes are looked upon with suspicion. “Mere affection” and enjoyment of natural things do nothing to stimulate the economy. So it’s necessary to go to great lengths to make people like and pursue things that will sustain the economy instead."

>>2022515 (OP)
keep biking
drivers going to be fucking pissed when they realize any lane i'm in becomes a bike lane

>>2022518
>Plus a drivers license here is 3,5k€ and actually aquires some skill to get it.
>We dont have crazy niggers and wiggers that get one with 20 bucks and 1 hour of driving on a parking lot.
As nice as that would be here in the US, car dependency and car culture has forced our society to view driving as a "right" and not a "privilege" and so if we even try to implement such measures for the greater good, the same people who terrorize the street will be the loudest on social media regarding their "right" to drive

>>2022547
based slow roller

>>2022515 (OP)
Unless there are 2 bike lanes on each side, this won't even give them 1 more car lane, what's the point?

Sounds like he's got his head in the right place. Bike lanes are anti-bike. Forester did nothing wrong.

>>2022550
Ford is just a little dickhead child salty about having lost the Toronto mayor election countless years back, so now he's actively trying to ruin the city through provincial laws that are entirely about cities and have no business being provincial.

>>2022578
First off, Fuck Ford. I agree he's being a complete asshole and this is ridiculously stupid.
However, I think there is a legitimate, provincial/regional interest in things like transportation. Again, he's on completely the wrong fucking side of this and car-centric transportation needs to fucking go. But imagine some kind of crazy, edge-case scenario like, "a city reduces every road entering its boundaries to 1 lane in each direction, because it will fuck regional commuters and increase property values and density within city-borders."
Again, fuck Ford to hell and back for being a mouthfoaming idiot. But there is room for provincial standards in transportation within municipal boundaries. It just should be more shit like, "you need to protect right-of-ways for future transportation projects," and less "FUCK BIKES!"

>>2022550
If a bike lane replaces one of two traffic lanes you've basically halved the capacity of the road. People are so brain-rotted by their idea of "induced demand" they assume that just as traffic will magically materialize the second capacity is expanded, it will likewise poof out of existence if capacity decreases.

>>2022518
>works pretty well in europe
No it does not.
>30km/h
It's fine for residential areas, you are fucked on an arterial both if you chose to ride there or if you chose to speed limit to 30.
>3,5k€ and actually aquires some skill to get it.
I passed mine in Germany and Texas, the test was exactly the same. Texas just didn't require me to show proof of gorrillion hours of classes.
You could just do a credit check and be just as effective at filtering.
Texas also gave me equivalent of C+E right if the bat.
The negress at the DPS counter was too retarded to see Germany has reciprocity which is a clear rule. So I took the test instead as it was faster than arguing sense into her.
>driving in the parking lot
That's part one, before you drive on the road. You do your parking tests here too.

>>2022579
He does exercise that to build subways to Richmond Hill and shit

>remove bike lane
>now cyclists have to ride on the road
>traffic is slowed even than before
>does nothing to alleviate the real causes of congestion

Hey but at least he forced Loblaws to make Buck a Beer

cyclists belong on the sidewalk

>>2022515 (OP)
It's probably widely popular with all the obesefats in Toronto suburbs. This is politics by focus group, promise anything and everything as it focus groups well.

>>2022626
Someone call the Beaverton:
>Ontario Government Discovers How to Turn Cyclists into Ghosts, Reduce Traffic

>Faced with unprecedented gridlock and increasing polarization over bike lanes, Ontario is turning to an innovative solution. Government researchers have announced a new technique to efficiently turn cyclists into spectral riders and eliminate conflict on the roads.
>"Everyone knows ghosts are immaterial, so we can use the same lanes for both bikes and cars with no effect on traffic. It's a win-win," announced Transportation Minister Prabmeet Singh Sarkaria, in front of a ghost bike.
>"The secret is the bike. The connection to the bicycle at the time of death creates a phylactery which helps bind the soul to the material realm," explained one government scientist. "We'd like to eventually do the same with pedestrians, but running shoes are less effective for unexplained reasons."
>But not everyone is happy with the changes. We spoke to one driver who said, "I know if they're in the way then I can just driver over them like they aren't there, but it still feels weird seeing them biking around like that. I think they should stay off the road where I don't have to see them."

>>2022515 (OP)
faggot boomer fatass

>>2022648
>burying the 401

Wait until you see what Kevin Chevy has planned :P

>>2022515 (OP)
but bike lanes

>>2022700
Beautiful. Anything that makes motorists miserable is objectively a great thing, love to see it.

>>2022590
Texas requires a driving test?

>>2022700
Oncoming traffic looks like its flowing fine. ;^)
Is that eastbound with the DVP on-ramp closed?

>>2022705
how is driving through a 25km tunnel supposed to be enjoyable either too? shit's so retarded

>>2022621
this poster is an uber eats deliverywala from Haryana

>>2022742
who hurt you

>>2022705
>Anything that makes motorists miserable is objectively a great thing
This is at least Reddit in its purest form, they don't care about pedestrians, trains, or bicycles, they just want to ruin others' lives.

>>2022515 (OP)
Why do Canadians keep electing this retard? I only hear bad things about this guy.

>>2022515 (OP)
>elect Henry Ford's grandnephew prime minister of Canada
>get mad when he removes bicycle infrastructure
What did the leafs mean by this?

https://www.barrietoday.com/local-news/poll-most-support-the-provinces-curbs-on-new-bike-lanes-9672312 nsisters...

>>2022652
I laughed, you should actually send this into the Beaverton

>>2022759
American identify politics are bleeding over the border into Canada.
Our elections now aren't really about issues or values, and more about "owning the lefties" or "making sure the conservatices don't win".
Also in Doug Ford's case, he actually was the better candidate by comparison, the Ontario Liberals were probably one of the worst ruling parties in the province's history.

>>2022787
>not prime minister
>not related to Henry Ford outside a perhaps distant relation

>>2022869
>American identity politics
If you look at the actual polls for new bike lane support (see >>2022815) it is universally hated.
>but the conservatives
The more liberal parties still support it, except for NDP and only mildly
>but the boomers
People of all ages dislike it
>but the rich
People of all income brackets dislike it

>>2022742
you're a racist tourist.

>>2022882
i posted that as bait, it's a boomer newspaper website from barrie, which is bumfuckville compared to toronto. people from downtown hate this shit

>>2022815
>online poll
>only for bumfuckville local newspaper readers

>>2022942
Cope. The poll covered the entire Toronto area, BarrieToday and GuelphToday just retransmitted the survey from Village Media.

Its like how Reddit was big mad over the New York congestion pricing being postponed indefinitely and a straw poll of Democrat voters in NYC and found only a third opposed the delay. That's one reason why the state pushed it through anyway, if it was up to voters it would've gotten destroyed by a +20 or higher margin.

>>2022949
nobody reads village media but 95iq normies

why are you defending the choices of retarded voters? why haven't you embraced the Xipill?

>>2022949
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_Media they don't even have a Toronto Hamilton or Ottawa paper dude

>>2022515 (OP)
Do you agree that these are nasty and terrible

anyone going to the critical mass rides for this? pic unrelated

>>2023012
Nope. The average speed sucks and there are only grannies, leftists and kids there.
I hate to ride with a slow af cadence because it just feels wrong if you're not riding in your powerband

>>2023018
treat it as a leisure ride?

>>2023018
slow rides are good for recovery and bike handling
and they have nothing to do with your cadence

>>2023018
>if you're not riding in your powerband
>leglette has a narrow powerband
imagine being such a leglette you can't slow spin a mega tall gear ratio lmao

>>2022515 (OP)
Ride on the road. Keep the traffic at standstill.

>>2022518
>More and more cities here implement a 30km/h speed limit
Which means cagers will drive 30km/h minimum and try to keep it at 34km/h to just not get caught if there happens to be a radar speed check.
And going 30km/h on a 5% incline means >500W. Which rules out 99% of bike commuters the many people can't keep up the 200W needed to ride at that speed on the flat.

>>2023224
>make up arbitrary bullshit rules
>be surprised that people won't respect arbitrary bullshit rules

>>2022515 (OP)
>I NEED BIKE LANES OR ELSE I CAN'T BIKE ANYWHERE
exactly how privileged are you? Bicycles can use any part of the road - stop being such a narcissistic faggot. Last time I checked, my road bike functions perfectly well on asphalt, concrete and sidewalks. Go fuck yourself you stupid piece of shit

Doug Ford is a stupid man.

>>2022733
>how is driving through a 25km tunnel supposed to be enjoyable
Norway manages that fine.
Also, current highway probably isn't enjoyable either

>>2023524
>"studies show"
Actual studies listed/referenced:
>a project in NYC that added bike lanes but also turn lanes, which was probably the actual reason why traffic was flowing smoother—at best this is diluted
>mentions that Copenhagen added bike lanes but gives no information--how? At the expense of traffic lanes? Or not?
>brings up Paris and then finds that cars decreased between 2010 and 2018 while bicycles increased between 2018 and 2019...why the disparity? Why can't they compare numbers directly?
>mentions report directly from Toronto, where it is most relevant and the bike lanes were taken from traffic lanes, where traffic times increased on streets with bike lanes but "that doesn't count"

>>2022518
>It works pretty well in europe.

https://youtu.be/M5sjVjblARw?si=wUZa0VIb0Xc3IUuF&t=3185
https://youtu.be/Ce6zr7t9bPc?si=9rFzJNJ-At4BIsjS&t=67
>brit who's cycled all over the world
>feels safer on the shoulder of the interstate in Texas than on an average road in Britain

>>2023572
NTA. Not here to defend that, particular article.
But I was at the recent public meeting about the Bloor West lanes, and the traffic data shows a 3-4 minute increase. But it also showed more people were actually driving the speed limit (40 km/h). So, like, maybe the increase is because the average person isn't driving literally 25-50% over the speed the limit?
Maybe it's valid to increase travel times when people are fucking speeding?

>>2022700
This is clearly Bichael's fault

>>2023572
>nuh uh >:(
>wah?
>wah??
>wah???
Very convincing.

>>2023605
>cites out-of-town study where they admit that the street itself also changed to allow for more smooth-flowing traffic
>cites out-of-town study where they admit nothing
>cites out-of-town study where they don't actually compare two data points
>cites actual in-town study where it proves Doug Ford had a point, but ignores it anyway
Not the big W you think it is

>>2023605
The cagetroll strawgrasping knows no bounds.

>>2022652
These are the kind of innovative transportation ideas we need here in the States

>>2023591
Wasn't there that kid who rolled coal all over a bunch of ironman athletes

>>2023599
if you drive into downtown you're a retard and deserve to be congested desu, t. Scarborough resident

>>2023841
>Wasn't there that kid who rolled coal all over a bunch of ironman athletes
The cyclists were out on narrow country backroads. The problem wasn't that he rolled coal on them; they likely refused to let him pass, the problem was that in the process he accidentally ran over half of them in the process.

>>2023844
...so you shouldn't roll coal?

>>2023919
Shouldn't have antagonized him in the first place. Rolling coal is kind of like punching someone in the face. It's bad behavior, and can happen unprovoked. It's the difference between a black dude punching you in the face and a black dude punching you in the face after you called him a nigger, repeatedly.

>>2023844
That’s the most shameless strawgrasping I’ve ever seen lmao

>>2024154
Yes, I'm sure the cyclists were minding their own business, letting vehicles pass by and this asshole comes out of nowhere and decides to run over half of them.

>>2023599
CBC said they changed traffic signals to reduce about half the extra delay.

>>2024310
They said that in the meeting they were targeting a 1 minute increase compared to prior to the change. I doubt they have the data to back up that improvement just yet considering it just happened.
But all the data in the world won't fucking matter since the retards reject anything that doesn't conform to their starting position. They "feel slow" because they see bikes passing them. This enrages the cager, despite the fact that we will take turns passing each other for the next 2 km based on the lights.

>>2024320
It's a divide-and-rule tactic. They create drama with immigration, changes to lanes and badly timed traffic lights. It's easier to get mad/feel righteous about people you see rather than the responsible party hidden behind their machines and bureaucracy.

>>2022518
I was in the Netherlands and Germany in September, just copy what the Dutch have done. German cities and towns are way louder and traffic is way more chaotic than in the Netherlands, biking around the Netherlands was a lot of fun and I always felt relaxed walking around, Germany is so much louder it's a huge difference

why don't these asshole bikers just stay on the empty side walks
make the sidewalks 18 inches bigger so people can pass nicer...

Then again losing lanes is completely irrelevant when every traffic light reduces throughput to 1/5th of what the lane can do

>>2024419
>when you have never been to downtown toronto

Here is your bike lane.

>>2022515 (OP)
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/the-person-using-that-bike-lane-could-be-your-doctor-hundreds-rally-to-protest-ford/article_860135b4-9eb8-11ef-9d49-0be74b5e83d6.html

How was it like, for anybody who went?

>>2024452
?
Are you pretending literally every street is dundas and yonge at 4 pm ?

That’s so incredibly retarded. Can city council stop the from removing the lanes?

Yeah ok and then how many dead 11 year olds before people lampposted this fucking cunt?

>>2025593
No because the charter gave Ontario the power to do this and that's retarded

Also I wouldn't be shocked if it actually took $50 million to remove it

>>2025593
I hope they bring back the blocks.

Really feeling like more rallies and protests isn't going to do. I mean, I'll still go.
What will actually make Ford stop is if the opposition parties have November 2024, followed by December 2024, as their best fundraising months since 2018.
Where are all these fucking business owners on Bloor in the Annex? He wants to destroy your entire streetscape and turn it into a highway.
(answer is probably, "spending everything on skyrocketing commercial rents")

>>2024887
>>2025593
>>2025856
Why not just put the bike lanes to a vote?

"Remove bike lanes on _____, ______, and _______, restoring them to their original configuration." (Yes/No).

>>2026045
Because the whole thing is the wedge issue to distract the urban progressive types while the same bill that bans bike lanes also funds a new freeway that just happens to be routed through all the farmlands (soon to be rezoned to dense residential) Doug Ford's major donors bought up.

>>2026055
Praise Ford

>>2026019
the BIA made a statement saying they're against it but that's probably the furthest they can go

>>2026055
sure but obviously taking out the bike lanes fucks us over too

>>2022547
An experience coming to a road near you.

>>2026062
>These cyclists think that streets used to have just people cycling and walking before cars. They are wrong. Today I will remind them.

>>2026062
>>2026067
Who's coming on Saturday?

>>2022518
Bikefags refuse to learn traffic rules and want to be treated like special snowflakes, that's the whole crux of the issue. Otherwise they'd be like slow motorcycles and nobody would care.

>>2026067
>I have no evidence to support my fucking stupid opinion.

>>2026112
You know people used to ride horses before bikes... right?

>>2026119
You're telling me that parents used to teach their kids to ride bikes by putting them on horses first? Those things will goddamn kill you if they get spooked. I mean, look at >>2026062
Thank god we invented training wheels and balance bikes. Horses are better for eating than for riding.

>>2026112
Cars replaced horses, not bicycles, and most every city in the late 19th century/early 20th was crammed with horse and buggy (some exceptions, like some European cities or Hong Kong) before cars.

It's why sidewalks were invented, the streets were completely disgusting with water pooling and horse shit everywhere and was elevated slightly off the ground.

>>2026062
What's the context of this

>>2022515 (OP)
>Doug Ford
Didn't he die of a crack overdose ten years ago?

>build bike lanes
>nobody uses them
>get angry when they’re threatening to be removed due to wasted space
Why are /n/ retards like this? They build these things for you and you don’t even use them

>>2025593
These aren't bike lanes in Mississauga. You're allowed to park by the curb. OTM18 doesn't have a name for it. It might be "signed bicycle route with paved shoulder" except that's only for rural roads.

Maybe you're supposed to ride left of the line. I've seen it once. The "lanes" usually end at intersections where the solid line curves to hit the curb. It's training for crossing solid lines. I used to follow stop signs.

>>2026353
They are being used!
The city even installed a public bike counter, so everyone can see how many people are using the bike lane, and it's still cracking a thousand per day even as fall sets in.
The anti-bike faction just claimed the bike counter is defective and overcounting. The reality doesn't matter, only vibes.

>>2026365
How many cars? 1000 doesn't seem like very many.

>>2026366
According to the traffic studies, there was no reduction in car volumes on the newest stretch of bike lanes. So literally no cars were displaced by taking away lanes and giving them to bikes.

>>2022523
>Just widen the road plop and down a bike lane. Can even be at the cost of parking spaces idgaf.
literally what they did
wasn't worth it, hence removing them ya donkey
>>2022515 (OP)
if you can't maintian a lawful speed as is required of vehicles, buy a battery kit
idgaf

>>2026353
>>2026393
Both of you post address to prove you live in Toronto

3 days after Canada's Ontario Premier Doug Ford removed this bike lane, drivers tell us if their commute has improved
https://youtu.be/v9Fus5lFJmM

>>2026864
>driving downtown

>>2022518
>18mph
jesus christ that sounds like actual hell

>>2026019
poll just came out indicating that the opposition would have 0% of forming a minority or majority government if there was an election held today, we're fucked lol

>>2026062
I guess horses just don't like bikes.

>>2027459
Do faggot cross walks end homophobia?

>>2027465
no, but for some reason its fine to deface things that are historical or pro America but its a hate crime to deface that shit

>>2027459
London?

>>2022515 (OP)
Luigi should have killed Doug Ford instead of whatever that CEO's name was

>>2028047
Sorry, anon, getting fucked over by health insurance corpos (something everyone can identify with) instead of faggy bike lanes that only existed for a few years (something almost universally hated outside of these types of circles) is a very different thing.

The only option is to leave america and canada, they will never be car centric.

Ironic because stupid goyconservatives keep shouting "if you don't like it leave"

Well we can't leave, countries wont allow us in and even if they did we'd still need tons of money to move.

>>2028069
>getting fucked over by health insurance corpos
This problem exists mostly in a shit-tier countries like us.

>>2028069
Doug Ford also defunded the hospitals here you're retarded and fat

>>2022518
>30km/h speed limits
Jesus fucking christ you think that's something to brag about?

>>2026349
Youre thinking of his brother, Rob Ford, former mayor of TO

>>2028450
In the downtown of a city or residential streets? Are you saying this is too high to something?

btw they don't plan to remove the lanes until March so uhh hopefully we have time

>>2022515 (OP)
>Claim traffic is caused by bicycles
>And not
>You know
>Cars
We need to bring lobotomies back

Physiognomy is real. The worst drivers are Subaru drivers followed by Lexus, then Toyota Sienna. Yes, model specific for that last one.
If you drive any of those, you are a clueless asshole that needs to go faster.

>>2028508
Canada must be a different planet because here, the most dangerous are garbage trucks, then box trucks of any kind, then construction vehicles, then nissans of any kind, then bmw x-series, then diplomatic plates

Being scared of a subaru is weird as fuck

>>2028525
Buses, gravel trucks, and RVs tend to be the worst from my experience.

https://www.thetrillium.ca/news/municipalities-transit-and-infrastructure/toronto-bike-lane-removals-to-start-in-march-at-the-earliest-9961352 March 20 guys

>>2022515 (OP)
https://storymaps.com/stories/977d7a48e8104952b3843b25ddda4ec3

>>2022518
The reason for bike lanes in toronto is that traffic averages 10km/hr and bikes do 20-30. This isn't about making traffic move faster but eliminating the reminder to drivers that bikes are faster by making them wait in traffic too.

>>2023524
Of course this; Ford is just cashing in and stoking suburban culture war bullshit, largely as a way to distract from the ongoing failure of the LRT to be anywhere near completed, his shitting about at Ontario place, and whatever other fucking scam the fat grifting cunt has on the go at any given time.

>>2028525
>Being scared of a subaru is weird as fuck
Subaru Forester: Little old ladies with no peripheral vision.

>>2027459
The horses dont wanna ruin some one's art. Mama told me that horses are like people and may be the horses have respect for the art work.

>>2022518
i really like the bike priority streets we have now, 30km/h limit but additionally, other traffic is instructed to submit to bike traffic

>>2028072
>countries wont allow us in
Just get a job there. You don't need to earn much in most europoor countries, especially if you won't have a car.

>>2028457
>Are you saying this is too high to something?
no, that's way too low.

>>2022515 (OP)
https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1005667/ontario-taking-bike-lanes-off-torontos-busiest-streets

Doug Ford’s destruction of bike lanes and undermining of public transit is a modern manifestation of the same forces that prioritized cars, oil, and industry as tools of control. By forcing people into cars, Ford ensures continued reliance on fossil fuels—a resource that sustains global inequality, militarization, and environmental devastation. This car-centric agenda isn’t just bad policy; it’s an extension of the same extractive, oppressive systems that have their roots in colonialism, white supremacy, and the ideologies that drove Hitler’s war machine.

>>2032037
But cyclists are more white than drivers.

>>2022518
bikes are only popular in holland because its tiny and flat

Maybe Ford might get too busy with Trump and the tariffs to bother with this bike lane shit?

>>2032037
I hope for your sake this is a copypasta.

>>2022515 (OP)
If you're European (which you probably are if you had cycle lanes in the first place.) just use the road. If someone hits me they can pay for my mortgage for a few years.

>>2027465
I guess those horses are terrified of sodomite flag. Actual phobia.

>>2022759
Canadians don't participate in their own politics. The average Canadian knows next to nothing about domestic politics and even Canadian news outlets talk about Trump more than anything happening at home. This leads to poor voter turnout and wins for Ford. The Canadian right wing (who aren't really conservative for reasons I won't get into) put far more attention and effort into politics than the left (who aren't Liberals even if they use that word to describe themselves) and generally feel more in touch with their national, provincial, and municipal identities.

The rise of smartphones (especially The App Store and Google Play) kickstarted a wave of cultural Americanisation that hit the hardest in Canada and the UK. A lot of this has to do with the fact that the internet exposes Canadians to less of their own media and culture than TV, radio, etc.

>>2032037
Torontonian here.

>>2034073
>Torontonian here.
Skeptical, you're sure you're actually living within the city proper and aren't lying about it while being suburban scum?

>>2022515 (OP)
And my city is planning on adding bike lanes??? Way to go Ohio.

>>2031923
>submit to bike traffic
The Left is mentally ill.

>>2034074
Downtowner --
Voted for Rob Ford and everything

>>2034118
>Downtowner
Got it so you're a schizo troll
(nobody would call themselves that)

/o/ get out

>>2034254
>The city of Toronto is not built with cyclists in mind. It's too big, too sprawling, and the infrastructure cannot reasonably accommodate any significant amount of cycling. In some cities in Europe, cycling works extraordinarily well, because the infrastructure and city planning was done before the invention of the internal combustion engine. North America is a completely different animal, cycling does not, cannot, and will not work here.
Lol. Mate, even Etobicoke has cyclists.
I'm not even talking about the Lakeshore, which obviously does. I'm talking about Rexdale. I can tell they're still riding in the winter, too, from the tracks in the snow.
And remember, there is ALWAYS a bike a lane. It's whatever lane I'm in. The only question is whether I'm slowing down the cars trying to drive behind me or not.

>>2034254
t. Commutes here from Orangeville

The cars get parking lots and the cyclists get chains

>>2034191
go train? what happens when you want to go some place that isn't in walking distance of union station?

>>2027459
kek based horsies

>>2022515 (OP)
>>2022516
makes a lot of sense tbqh. the throughput of roads is much greater when the roads are used by automobiles instead of bicycles.

>>2022518
>30km/h speed limit
aka 18 mph

that's absurd, I don't even go that slow in parking lots let alone on roads.

>>2026062
BASED BASED BASED

>>2026359

mmmhh...

show me more empty side walks. Something doesn't seem right.

>>2034608
Are you retarded

>>2022515 (OP)
The exclusion of the empty bike racks etched in steel like cold screams is deliberate, methodical, and efficient.

Election later this week; don't vote for Doug Ford, vote for someone that gives a shit and itsn't just out to line his pockets or those of his rich developer buddies.

>>2034801
like the 905 gives a shit

>>2022515 (OP)
So how many of you are going to the bike lane protests

>>2034801
>why is the price of housing so high
>also FUCK the developers

typical retard ndp voter

>>2034831
>dashaposting
consider taking your own life

>>2022515 (OP)
Golden Horseshoe voters have spoken, no more Toronto, Hamilton, Guelph, Kitchener, Waterloo, Niagara Falls, St. Catharines bike faggots getting in the way of my SUV.

>>2035315
>posts image that isn't even the current election results
LLM much?

>>2035226
Dasha is based retard

https://x.com/dash_eats/status/1893338581265011137

>>2035331
>has a twitter account
>based
does not compute

>>2022515 (OP)
Toronto is fucked, it's eating itself out of useless policy-making struggling to pretend its that liberal and free spirit thing of the past. The city, just like the province, has become its worse case scenario by chasing that ill-dream of becoming the Canadian New York.

>>2035338
>does not compute

reddit

>>2035342
I remember visiting Hamilton last year and being amazed that thye've got better urban planning at parts of the city than we do. hell, EDMONTON is doing better at streetscaping its downtown

>>2035364
>posts social media link
>accuses others of being reddit
glass house

>>2035482
You're the one who did a redditism, not me

>>2035485
it's cute that you're not aware of a time before reddit

>>2022515 (OP)
nothing

>>2036510
This is a smug american eugenicist enforcing exclusion.

>>2022515 (OP)
Build columns for rail transportation there

>>2035489
okay so that just makes you proto-reddit then dork

food not ford

>>2025986
Wtf are the blocks for

>>2038112
There was a hilarious period in 2019 where the city was trying to crack down on this one cannabis cafe. But because it was so profitable, the cafe just immediately reopened after every bust.
The blocks were the last thing the city tried to actually keep them from operating. They broke out the folding tables and ran on the sidewalk instead.
IIRC one of their locations is still open to this day.

>>2038112
pools closed

>>2024458
This is bad or? One simple piece of debris does not make it a bad lane.

>>2022515 (OP)
Just use the road? Here in Brazil bikers do it all the time.

>>2038116
Amazing, why didn't they just appoint some random cop to sit in his cruiser next to the place and shoot anyone who tried to buy something?

>>2038191
They used to just take you to cherry beach and beat the shit out of you.

>>2038187
are brazilian drivers less insane than north american ones

>>2038112
Untelevised cage match between Doug and Olivia.

>>2022515 (OP)
>Damn wtf are we supposed to do
Make idiots like doug ford uncomfortable

>>2023844
I really dont see the point of your arguing in favor if antisocial behavior like that
If you cant safely pass an obstruction you stay behind it
Also faghots modifying ther cars puposely to puff out coal deserve to have their driving licenses threatened

>>2038290
4chan contrarianism, pure and simple

>>2022544
That was such an amazing book, especially when you realize how long ago it was written


how did he know?

also peanus weanus

>>2022515 (OP)
>Toronto
>Ford
You'll cowards don't even smoke crack

>>2022515 (OP)
is stantec really uninvolving itself from the tearouts

>>2038765
lmao they got protested into withdrawing?

>>2022515 (OP)

It's a gay city cuck thing. Cyclists have too much freedom. The homo bosses want to force them to use buses, or even to buy a car. This is why molten idols (cars) are forbidden in the Bible. People all having cars is just as bad as praying to a false idol. It warps society in a bad way.

>>2038417
divination.
And also premediated social engineering from ungodly occults

>>2038552
>Detriot
>Baltimore
>Cleveland
>entirety of Los Angeles
>New Yorks MTA
Lol no

>>2022515 (OP)
>Damn wtf are we supposed to do
Pretty sure you need to do Doug Ford.

>>2038945
they said they're only doing 1km. I don't believe it

>>2022518
>It works pretty well in europe.
It doesn't. You will get hit by a car overtaking you.
>More and more cities here implement a 30km/h speed limit
Which nobody obeys, and everyone goes 60km/h anyway.

>>2038290
Cyclists will say this but the second there's anything the bike lane, pedestrians, cars, etc. those obstructions deserve to be run down/vandalized/destroyed/etc.

>>2039897
>don't use this special 'car lane' it's not for you, we'll kill you if you do that
>here's a special 'bike lane' that you can use
>*blocks bike lane with car*
>oops ha ha my bad, maybe you should just ride on the sidewalk you stupid baby
if you just let everyone use the same lane, then people could park in that lane, and you could share in the joy, how about that? like that idea?

this is why people think bike lanes are a scam, you just think it's free parking

>>2039898
There is just probably a few cars that will do something stupid like park in a bike lane (that has been around for a while, not some urban conversion project). The point is that more often than not, cyclists have no sense of common courtesy yet demand it when on the streets.

>>2039899
>The point is that more often than not, cyclists have no sense of common courtesy yet demand it when on the streets.
so like drivists and walkists? literally every single human alive gets irritable when their intended route is obstructed unexpectedly, but for some reason when a cyclist does it it's irrefutable evidence they deserve the death penalty for road raging on their little 20 pound toy

got this email

what are our odds friendos

https://www.cycleto.ca/fuelled_by_spite

>>2034073
uh, fash bros what is this?

>>2026099
>Bikefags refuse to learn traffic rules
untrue for most of them, but the minority that disregards a lot of traffic rules on my nerves a lot. while it's less dangerous for a cyclist to run a red light than a motorist, it's still wrong and introduces unnecessary risk. a lot of cyclists also drive on the left side of the street on these slim bike paths that don't let 2 bikes safely ride next to each other. it's annoying enough as a pedestrian when you have to look both ways to cross what's supposed to be a one-way path, but outright dangerous when I cycle and one of these fucks drives straight at me.
but it's an issue with traffic enforcement. there's simply no traffic cops present

>>2040285
>traffic rules on my nerves a lot
*traffic rules gets on my nerves a lot

>>2040285
jej I emailed a councilor moaning about shite drivers & they said email the cops
>you & i both know they do fuck all for their budget
was my reply to the councilor staffer

>>2040285

We don't worry about the gas chamber since we cant see the gas. The gas chamber operators can see a helmet.

The gas chamber operator can very easily see what ever this thing is from the inside of a 5000 pound gas chamber.

>>2040333
can't you just be mentally ill somewhere else?

>>2040343
i outta label u a schizo and burn u in the camps

>>2040345
keep acting like that and people will really start to think like that about your lik

>>2022700
one person per vehicle probably.

>>2040285
That's such a bullshit take, it would be q non -problem if cars didn't consume so much Good damn space in the road, like 4-5 people can fit side by side abreast in the space it takes for a single car, which is designed to for 2 side by side but more often than not, its occupant is a single commuter. What a waste of fucking space, the best part of it all is that 80% of the time that space is wasted, it's utilized for sitting in traffic wasting gas, dirtying the air, and wasting energy to provide air conditioning or cooling. Cars are completely retarded

>>2040359
your new efficient home has arrived anon, move in

>>2040359
>it would be q non -problem if cars didn't consume so much Good damn space in the road
only to a degree. some people are retards and will wrong-way drive unless they're punished.
but you're right that these thin ass bikepaths (which cut into sidewalks so as to not annoy car drivers) are an inefficient use of space to begin with. within the city, bicycles belong on the road and not on the sidewalk. and if cars are too fast to make it safe, you need a 30km/h speed limit. it's not like you're realistically gonna go much faster in the city core because of intersections

where are you from

>>2040365
a bike is a completely free form of transportation but of course a retarded american would equate it with living in a prison. it's more freeing and relies less on the government than your car. if you mean trains, well that's because your trains are underfunded piles of shit full of degenerates because your government is retarded and corrupt.

>>2040466
>seething about Americans and freedom out of nowhere
Ok patel, i'm sure your little toy gets lots of mileage and isn't just a way to deflect from your dependency on shitty public transport that you're bound to like the good bootlicker you are.

>>2040496
you will always be stuck in a low trust society because you're too stupid to afford a car
>think on that next time you're stuck in traffic
no, i don't think i will

>>2040367
>>2040433
i meant this guy shit

>>2040497
>too stupid to afford a car
as if I'd give money to oil companies and (((insurance))) for a vehicle that's useless in any city with proper infrastructure. I'll consider it when I have kids, as they're pretty neat for vacations. but for education and work? kek
>>2040498
Germany

>>2022515 (OP)
Putting retarded Boomers and Jeets in charge of street traffic, what could go possibly wrong?

The best of both worlds.

>>2040500
>a vehicle that's useless in any city with proper infrastructure
and there goes all talk about freedom. it's funny how little lip service drones like this germ pay to it despite how often they try to bring it up.

really shows that there's zero convictions among the state dependency shill crowd, just dishonest, bold faced spam.

>>2028072
It never even began for urbanism in North America. Even at the peak of pre covid gentrification, less than a quarter of people wanted to live in an urban area, and that is probably still dropping as convenience has reduced the need to leave home. The exurbs are growing fast and there is no sign that is going to stop after 80 years of the similar trend still going.

>>2040500
Who's going to bet this servile scum is an ossi? It's a real shame soviets and burgers didn't drop sarin on them several times over.

>>2040503
urbanists and NJB shills can get fucked, but october 2021 is about as much of an outlier as it's ever going to get when it comes to a question like that

>>2040513
Barely lower than it was in 2018. It's just never been popular here.

>>2040515
it's a 21% difference, how is that barely lower? if 10,000 people (1/10th of 1%) move from NY to florida your kind acts like NY is now the mad max escape from NY universe, but 21% is "barely lower"?

>>2040513
>>2040503
suburbs and exurbs are densifying anyways in a lot of cities, they just do it haphardzly and pretty retardedly. sometimes you actually get the first steps towards building a decent city (like vancouver's suburban town centres), other times you get islands of skyscrapers in the middle of suburbia/parking lots (like vaughan)

>>2040517
It's 3% in the overall total for living preferences, stop being so myopic. Even if things returns to pre pandemic levels, you're still looking at the vast majority of people not wanting to live in urban areas.

>>2040618
23/19 is not 1.03 but your calculator might be better than mine

he's tearing out more lanes fuck

like what is taking the queen's park ones supposed to even do

https://nowtoronto.com/news/ford-government-plans-to-tear-up-more-bike-lanes-in-toronto-advocates-warn-of-serious-safety-concerns/

>>2024458
if I didn't see the buildings in the background, I could've believed this was DC for a moment

>>2040640
the retards voting him in are braindead

>>2040856
I went and saw the university lanes for the first time yesterday and I cannot believe how much press, news and attention was being wasted over like, what essentially just amounts to a curb and some bollards on a street that has a tree lined meridian anyways. like the premier of the fucking province caring about gay little shit like this is such bush league bullshit, no wonder why China's mogging us. like yeah he probably does want the attention over this and not him being bribed by developers over ontario place but it really is bleak how much of a dead and retarded system western democracy is at this point

there was also, of course, parking available and not much traffic

>>2040988
ouch

rip rim

captcha was ROADX lmao

>>2034764
You must be retarded if you think 30km/h is a reasonable speed limit.

>>2041370
30 is fine on residential streets with families

>>2041370
You're talking to cyclists. I get around just fine on my bike going 15-20 km/h.
And we're not talking about highways been capped at 30 km/h. If you need to travel long distances, you have the means to do that quickly.
I am not going to sob over some driver raging at the fact they are only driving at 20% of the speed their vehicle is capable of. There are social harms to going "as fast as practically possible," but no shit that the person travelling only cares about their personal benefit of, "I get there faster!"

>>2022515 (OP)
Throw screws all over the roads to get back at the cagers. Cost of a screw is a lot lower than repairing/replacing tyres. It's easy to fuck with road systems.

>>2041420
by that logic we should restrict cyclists to pedestrian paths and speeds of 5mph while freeing up roads to allow normal traffic movement for fast transit around and through the city, which benefits all kinds of workers and businesses rather than selfish communist NEETs with nothing better to do.

>>2042788
>selfish communist
Please explain what you think communism is.

>>2026112
are you actually stupid or just trolling
wait you still ride a children's toy, ofc you're retarded

>>2042795
Actual commie here, selfish is correct. The context here is not to give societal leeches (owner class who does not work) anything by destroying them.
It's similar to right wing ideology in the sense, just that we're correct who the leeches are and they don't.

>>2044778
what is your position on China

>>2044787
Used to be a feudal (pre-captialist) society. When the revolution happened there the Russian one was already full of revisionists, Mao made the same mistake Stalin did and let former feudal bureaucrats in positions.
Then they industrialized and today the counter revolution is complete and so called communist party leaders are owners of companies hence they're fully capitalist.
They still use some economic planning though and that's the reason they're kicking the west's ass.

>>2026129
No anon, he's going for the stupid fallacy of "this is how we've always done it" with some half-bullshit half-remembered and out-of-context idea of how it was historically

>>2022757
Nigger, did you read the OP topic
If anyone can be credibly blamed for wanting to " ruin others' lives." for their own habit (and the car infra they imagine is not even convenient with how it goes in reality outside of their minds) it's fucking cagers and fat entitled, overreaching, petty faggots like doug ford.
Here's a 38 minute analysis of all the reasons why doug ford is a dumb fat cuntservative retard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgFCQ7jEZxI

>>2038261
How'd that go for creating better societal outcomes?

>>2034441
You take a car on the less congested streets because people that don't need to be in a car - aren't - for their trip.
Or have buses/trams there, or be there with a bike in a Canada better than this.
And probably the train network would expand over the years anyways - it's a long term thing that makes the city better for everyone.

>>2022518
>Just share the normal road?
>It works pretty well in europe.
It doesn't, people die and this is not acceptable when all that has to be done is to have a separated bike path next to the road.
"just sharing the normal road" routinely kills people and ruins lives.

>>2040490
You're unreasonable, flippant and probably a little stupid.

>>2040490
why are you even on here

>>2044835
>Freedom argument
I want to expand on that. I noticed some of the people with disdain towards trains / subways, bikes / bike lanes, etc bring up government control as an argument. Doesn't the government already do that? Even in cars you are controlled. If you drive your car too fast, police will pull you over. Don't pull over, then they chase you down and forcibly ram you off the road with guns drawn. You are forced to pay for gas you need and the government in some martial law scenario could easily stop the flow of gas to vehicles. Also, large vehicles on open roads aren't exactly ideal in a guerilla style war as they'd get nailed by ATG ordinance fast. I'm less concerned about modes of transport, but more about the flow of information (Internet, censorship, etc). That is the true front line of freedom.

>>2044835
The left can't meme.

>>2046851
>You are forced to pay for gas you need and the government in some martial law scenario could easily stop the flow of gas to vehicles.
Fucking this. Without a complex, international supply chain every gasoline automobile will cease functioning in 6 months at the hard limit (as preservatives in gasoline evaporate and the fuel sours). But you'd run out of fuel much faster than that as no household is keeping six months of fuel on their premises.
I keep an entire year's spare parts for my bike in a 2 cubic foot box, and those could be stretched much longer than that by putting up with crappier shifting. And it may go slower than a car, but I can do a leisurely 60 km per day with a full camping kit basically indefinitely.
Anyone who claims to be a prepper, but doesn't have a bicycle, is a fucking moron. Even if an automobile is a key part of your survival plan, the bike can let you do short trips without burning precious fuel.

>>2046851
By freedom they really mean it's better for their body dysmorphia. That is they're fat slow weak and ugly until they get into and become the car. It's harder to become a train bus or airplane. Of course they won't admit being cartrannies.

>>2046887
You can extend gasoline life with stabilizers for up to 2 years.
Prepping for some apocalyptic scenario I'd imagine is different than a civil war scenario. I was only referencing the civil war scenario because talking about public transport, more efficient land user or anything brings worries about a technocratic police state. I just wanted to point out the flaw in a rebellion plan that depends on these vehicles. Look no further than the footage of Taliban getting BTFO away by drones while trying to escape on pickup trucks. I also forgot to mention that this is all a moot point for rural and even the more rural-leaning suburban dwellers. Even die-hard urbanists probably understand people out in the country will need vehicles for the foreseeable. Most of these changes only affect heavy commuters in cities.

https://www.torontotoday.ca/local/transportation-infrastructure/torontos-bike-lane-plan-doesnt-propose-new-lanes-first-time-years-10898634

:(

ITT

>>2048336
stonetoss is latino tho

>>2048987
is this a bot? no one asked

>>2022515 (OP)
Ride on biking trails or in a park.

>>2049067
sure, as soon as you build a biking trail or park that leads from my home to my workplace.

Bike lane ends?
Ride in the street anyways
It's that simple
It's literally not your problem that the city hires retards that can't do something as simple as planning literally just white lines painted in fucking asphalt. It's hilarious that we have bike lanes that randomly dissapear for literally no reason or without any logical consistency and the men and women of office we elect somehow think this is acceptable

>>2049071
That's cause they don't ride bikes, don't want to do anything for cyclists, and the majority of their constituents don't want them to. If there's a law saying that any road renewal must include a cycling lane, then they are forced to paint a line on any stretch that gets resurfaced. The line is the bare minimum that's legally mandated, and won't cause an outcry among cager voters cause they'll ignore it anyway. And the line will stop where the road maintenance stopped.

>>2049079
>That's cause they don't ride bikes
It's because they're sociopaths that lack empathy. You don't need to ride bikes to understand why bike lanes should exist and why it's bad that bike lanes randomly start and stop with no logical consistency

you can always tell who doesn't actually ride for transport because they think a stencil picture of a cartoon bike on the asphalt makes them safe

>>2049088
I feel way more confident riding in the road in a dedicated lane regardless of how "safer" I am, when there's no bike lane it's sometimes hard to gauge how much I'm getting in other drivers' way.

>>2049123
they are stealing your oxygen. Who are you to "get in their way"?

>>2049133
Pissing off some road raging Karen is not on my bucket list

>>2049123
You need to learn better spatial awareness then, all the painted lines are going to do is to distract you into doing something that gets you killed

>>2022515 (OP)
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYCbike/s/0URyPd9CXa

why doesn't Toronto have a license plate lookup service like this?

>>2049403
Probably because of stricter privacy rules. Also I bet these people will champion looking up license plates but whine about sites "doxxing" them.

Did /we/ win?

>>2050171
Why does taranno have such funny names for streets? Yonge, Bloor, Dumbass, it's like a monty python skit

The answer is simple as pie, we invade Israel and abolish religion. Once done we implement forced education to eradicate the fanatic remnants. At this point we should have eliminated about 2.8 billion people and as a side effect there won’t be as much traffic so they won’t have to remove the bike lanes anymore.

>>2050173
>the one guy who's pro remaining dundas because anglo names sound gay

>>2050175
I wasn't aware there was an existing culture war over this. Shame on me for not listening to manosphere podcasts

>>2050176
I thought you were from toronto because you nailed the local pronunciation because I had a different response ready but like yeah chairman chow almost did rename all of dundas (because he was an abolitionist but a passive one) but didn't because there was no money to

yonge-dundas did get renamed to sankofa square but like over 90% of people surveyed about it thought it was unbelievably retarded, even the most prog and left wing demos in the city think it's stupid lmao. like they did a survey and it was like "overwhelmingly negative across all groups in the city" and nobody calls it that

I can't be arsed to really care, yonge-dundas is a sterile joke of a """public square""" and yonge from yorkdale to queen should be pedestrianized anyways. like all this energy about the one block of pavement that didn't become an extension of eaton centre and what name to give it is really sad when across the globe yet another subway line is opening in Guangzhou

>>2050178
Yeah I'm from new yawk and I've probably spent a total of maybe 5 days in toronto in my entire life, and most of it was not recently. But I do remember the street names

Your local naming drama sounds more fun than ours, best I can do is ed koch bridge or mario cuomo senior bridge, neither of which anyone actually takes seriously

Oh I guess we had the rename columbus circle people but the new york greaseball department had a yearlong anxiety attack over it and posted heavily armed guards 24/7 to make sure nobody got any ideas and I think even the most hard core anti-columbus people were like I don't have the energy for this shit and moved on with their lives

>>2050179
bro imagine if Doug Ford had an army of hassids living downtown at his disposal lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/NYCbike/comments/1me1rtr/if_you_get_hurt_on_bedford_sue/

>>2050235
I used to go to that sub but I got in a fight with the mods (none of whom, last I checked, even live or ride a bike in NYC). It's modded by a bunch of crypto bros and a SpaceX employee from the west coast who run the sub to push whatever it is that Peter Thiel is paying them to push now

>>2022621
>cyclists belong on the sidewalk
Actually, they belong in the morgue.

Ford appealing lmfao

>>2048336
first time on /n/?

>>2022550
In a large town near me the main road used to have two lanes in each direction. They redid it so there's a middle turn lane, one lane in each direction, and bike lanes. Traffic is retarded now.

I live in Toronto and cycle a lot. The problem is that they have been building them in car-centric suburbs where they literally do just take take up a lane and nobody is ever using them. The retard libs in city hall overplayed their hand by building them in these places and now DoFo is using it as an excuse to get rid of many more of them, even some extremely high traffic ones

>>2052128
>nobody is ever using them
I fucking use them. Objective fact. I rode on on those streets before the bike lanes went in, and if it they come out I will still be riding on those streets.
The side lanes were only being used to aggressively pass, which is why they were dangerous for us biking in them in the first place. I fucking remember what it was like. People were fucking street racing at goddamn Bloor and Kingsway at night (which I'd add is also a residential fucking section of Bloor).
Fucking Kingsways Ratepayers Association morons seething that they need to drive the speed limit now.

>>2052166
did you go to critical mass

>>2022515 (OP)
Ride on the sidewalk like the subhuman non-car peasant niggers you are.
>B-b-but I could clip an old woman or whatever and bawwww
I don’t care, I hope he makes it legal to run you down with cars for sport next.