Thread 2027639

The end of ebike terrorism is in sight. Let's not count our chickens before they hatch, but I'm tentatively feeling hopefully about this. During the time that the last thread was up, hundreds of people were killed by ebike fires. We need to put a stop to this. I just hope they make sure to add prison time for people caught with unlicensed ebikes.

>>2027639 (OP)
I'm honestly okay if they do this and treat e-bikes the same as mopeds. I don't know about New York laws on registering mopeds, though. That's one thing that has varied from state to state in my experience.

>>2028189
The rule is basically if it has pedals it doesn't require registration. However the laws kind of pretend that pedal bikes max out at 25mph which is obviously not how things work in real life as anyone who has used the major greenways or bridge crossings can attest. The way I see it, the major crossings and greenways should have frequent checkpoints where anyone who isn't on a frame that looks basically like this (and has tubes that obviously can't hold a battery) gets randomly stopped and if their motorbike isn't registered it gets seized and destroyed.

I realize that set of rules actually results in mixtes, dual suspension mtbs, and d*tch bikes getting harassed and potentially seized, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

>>2027639 (OP)
>mad boomer rant
ok

>>2027639 (OP)
That argument reminds me of debating ancient cagetrolls btw, they want license plates for bicycles and complain about scratched paint while the guy they cut off has a dislocated shoulder.

>>2028226
Guess how we can tell you don't ride bikes or have any direct personal stake in cycling for transportation, exercise, or fun (pro tip: a rolling incendiary device is not a bike)

not my problem. let the government make public warehouses every 500 meters for storing lithium-ion batteries, or for cheap rent for a few hours, or produce lifepo4 which is now nowhere to be found because chinese lifepo4 is a fake in the form of cheap lithium-ion

>>2028231
I'm one of those people who wear functional clothing to still commute via bicycle in below freezing temperatures. I own a 2x10 speed gravel and a single speed lightweight racing bike. I've been on 5x critical mass this year and am member of my local bike advocacy group. So you're wrong.
I also have a higher power electric scooter I occasionally ride when I want to go somewhere fast without arriving sweaty.
"""Concerns""" about batteries in PEW are just pearl clutching bullshit. Unless it's utter trash chinesium batteries don't spontaneously combust.

>>2028278
What the fuck did you just say about me you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated at the top of my spin class in the Orangetheory Fitness, and have been involved in numerous critical mass rides, and have over 300,000 confirmed post karma on /r/urbanplanning/. I am trained in gorilla urbanism and I'm the creator of /r/YIMBY/ and a mod on /r/neoliberal/, you are nothing to me but just another cagetroll. I will get your account suspended with precision the likes of which has never before been seen on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of numtots across urbanism twitter and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can ratio you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my main account. Not only am I extensively trained in ringing my Crane Suzu bell at boomers but I have access to the entire Gazelle Bikes catalogue and I will use it to wipe your miserable ass off the gentrified parts of this city you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

>>2027639 (OP)
What does "e-bike" mean in a burger context?
In Europe only the pedelecs where the electric assist stops at 25 km/h are classified the same as bicycles. If you unironically think these things need a licence and registration then you're a fucking tyrant.

>>2027639 (OP)
This will only apply to law abiding citizens on legal ebikes. Youths and food delivery people on illegal motorbikes will not be touched.

>>2028692
Absolutely idiotic logic to tie the engine power to the supposedly "average human power". The engine is needed to get rid of the limitations imposed by geography and road quality. If a person can accelerate from a simple 6% slope to 50 km/h WITHOUT MAKING ALMOST ANY EFFORT. THEREFORE, THE LEGAL ENGINE POWER SHOULD BE SUCH AS THAT IT IS ABLE TO DRIVE A 6% HILL AT 50 KM/H, THAT IS, 1.5-3 KW DEPENDING ON THE QUALITY OF THE ROADS. According to some humanitarian european agreement adopted in the 20th century, engines up to 50 cc should not be subject to registration under any circumstances, why the fuck did they violate that?
>It is clear that bikes with motors with a power of over 50ccm or 4,000 watts are already a dangerous type of vehicle, for which, like any motorcycle, you need a license. But everything below that is already a means of transportation that does not pose any danger in the hands of a cyclist of average experience (if you do not go to extremes, as some degenerates like to do). Based on this, I would introduce a ban on motors/motors with a power of up to 1 kilowatt (since such power, directly - provokes emergency situations due to the fact that they simply may not be able to pull a raider with a bike at the right moment on default city roads with a speed limit of 40-60 km / h, and also create an emergency situation that threatens life on the road, due to the fact that they cannot keep a raider with a bayou in the flow of traffic on the roadway where there are not even pedestrian roads, which in this case is the condition under which the raider has every right, as a cyclist, to ride to the edge of the roadway, stably, due to its super-low power), and everything that is up to 4 kilowatts, I would allow without a license, like any default bicycle.

>>2028698
It seems that the European Union has recognized that bicycle paths are ineffective shit that only create the illusion of a healthy and cultured society, and will soon come to a weakening of control and simplification of ownership of an electric scooter. Gasoline scooters should generally be banned because they generate a lot of noise and exhaust in the city, and even if lithium batteries actually generate more emission due to the extraction of rare earth materials, they in any case occur in rural areas of third world countries, silence and good air in the cities are above all, so the future belongs to electric scooters and electric cars.

lowest IQ thread on 4chin right now.
thanks /n/

>>2028701
Are you for freedom, or for a anally dictatorship cybergulag with shoe registration and paid rights to wear it?
If a country requires a license and registration for 50 ccm/3kwt, then it is a dictatorship cybergulag.

>>2028702
>shoe registration and paid rights to wear it?
barefoot chads rise up

>>2028226
>they cut off
Know your place bikecuck

I want ubereats/doordash slaves out of my country, they can take their shitty ebikes with them

>>2029463
other way around for me, I want them on normal analog bikes so they can fit as fuck and be physically and hormonally primed for impregnating the local women as efficiently as possible, I think we should give them ZMA supplements in fact, the success of this country depends on regular injections of new, exogenous DNA, it's really just the e-bikes that I have a problem with

>>2028217
>The rule is basically if it has pedals it doesn't require registration.
Hah. Reminded me of how a similar thing was treated in Moscow.
>migrant delivery guys start importing cheap chinese electric scooters, no pedals at all, just a platform
>try to pretend to be bicycles, get stopped and forced onto the road
>they start mass importing these instead, stop getting bothered for riding whereever they please eventhough it's literally the same thing except with token pedals
>most of them have the seat too low and leaning too much forward to pedal, with feet always on the platform, but they still get plausible deniability points
>throught the summer of that year, more and more of them remove the pedals and wrap the cranks in tape because pedal strikes on pedals you don't control are annoying, don't get bothered because still technically a bicycle that can be pedalled
>by winter, a lot of them start removing the chain because it rusts, and some even remove the cranks altogether, baisically recreating those original scooters, but it's winter so nobody gets bothered
>by spring, these fuckers are plentiful enough that they don't get bothered for riding unregistered mopeds on sidewalks at all, some people start importing (or un-mothballing) those original scooters that got them into trouble in the first place and nobody bats an eye
>cue scooter hell we're in for the last few years
>somehow still less trouble than rental e-scooters despite these guys riding like lunatics (guess having good handling helps)
also tangentially related, why does english use the same word for a range of 2-wheeled vehicles that starts from a kids' kickscooter and ends in a burgman 650? can't they have a separate word for vehicles where you're standing on a platform and ones where you're sitting on a seat with legs on the platform?

>>2027639 (OP)
Tax grab. The hunt for multiple revenue streams never ends.

>>2029719
>burning down property that people pay taxes on to own the libs
this is up there with "superyachts are actually a boon for the working class so it's good that 10 people own the majority of the wealth on earth"

>>2029537
Same shit happens here

>e-bikes are grea- ACK
One of Viennas most famous bike shops is completely destroyed by fire caused by e-bike

>>2028189
mopeds should be considered as bikes if they go under 20kph. You want people move away from cars? Give them convenient e-mopeds that can pol useful load.

>300k pop city in Engerlund
>council has finally fucking had it and taking overpowered electric shit off delivery slaves
>no warning gib bike, 30 in two days in centre alone
It can be done

>>2028217
>The rule is basically if it has pedals it doesn't require registration.
The rule should be: If you have to pedal it, it doesn't require registration. I've seen people on e-bikes that never had to turn the pedals one revolution. Just twist the throttle and go. 40 MPH. That's a phony e-bike. I can put pedals and a chain on a Harley Sportster.

The rule should be: if it is a mode of transport other than human feet, you must register and pay taxes on it, thereby covering every mode of obnoxious tranportation that interferes with walkable cities.

>>2032887
I lean into the camp that low-power vehicles like mopeds, e-bikes, etc should have a specific licensing system, but purely human powered vehicles should not. Like maybe a one-time registration through the state, and they get a specialized plate. Require that for any power-assisted vehicle (including pedal assisted ebikes, atvs, golf carts, e-unis, etc) to be used on the road, and require actual license plates on anything that puts out more than "X" ft-lbs of torque, or "X" horsepower. This class of vehicles would not require a formal driver's license to use.
In theory, this means a kid fucking around on an unregistered pit bike in his neighborhood could get ticketed, but if I know cops in the US, the law is most likely not going to get enforced unless someone's in a high-traffic area or being otherwise unsafe. It also has the other side of things where if you're somewhere that has different laws, but it's registered as that vehicle in your locality, it can insulate you from a license you may not be approved for (i.e. no motorcycle permit but a cop calls your ebike a motorcycle).

>>2028698
Bot or just unhinged? Your reply is a complete non sequitur

>>2027639 (OP)
Apparently that also applies to objects where assistance kicks in when you pedal and you can't go faster than you can pedal, not just to things with independent throttles. That's stupid.
I guess they're trying to track ownership so they can blame people for starting fires rather than actually do anything about traffic, but when it comes to batteries, I'm pretty sure the consensus has been that it's almost always the manufacturer's fault if a battery catches fire.

>>2028698
meds

>>2027639 (OP)
GOOD. We need to keep taxing the poor and middle class for their stupid attempts at improving their lives.
GET back in the car and feed us.
>>2032887
kys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho_lrPU7dPU
Normal speed for bike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dImwtRlDtGs
Slow e-bike

E bikes shouldn't be regulated

>>2028696
so like gun laws?

>>2034306 (me)
You know, if they really want to hold people accountable for battery fires, maybe they should ban imports of batteries and subsidize a domestic battery supply chain. The quality may be worse, and the price may be triple, but at least the courts can actually make someone pay for it who isn't the owner of the bike.

>>2028699
fox grapes

Ever notice how subway cars where there's a guy with an ebike nobody wants to get on them? You don't see that issue with normal bikes.

>>2027639 (OP)

To be fair I think it should be legal to shoot people riding these.

E-bikes are targeted in America because they expose the lie that cars are necessary.

America targets e-bikers because if too many people start riding, the industries that profit from car dependency lose their grip. They cannot afford to let that happen.

What's a good starter e-bike if I don't want to die in a chinese fire?

>>2037423
sure bro, let me just e-bike my way to work 40 miles every day in the snow and rain instead of in my car with my heated leather seats and surround sound system

>>2029537
Proper wheel and steering geometry helps a lot.
As much as i love e-kickbikes, the geometry and lack of suspension is horrible n the wheels they got.

>>2037424
store the battery on the balcony and lower down it using a winch

>>2028692
They ABSOLUTELY NEED, thanks to cunts riding and parking them all over the place.
Death to e-shiters.

>>2028699
>Rural areas
>Thurd world
Something something polluter-payer

>>2037768
If you expect me to register my e-bike I would just sell it and buy a Cybertruck.

>>2037770
>You
Kys, e-fsggot

how many can we rescue from the gas chambers with 4000 lithium cells?

>>2037770
I actually saw a boomer couple on ebikes last weekend loading them onto their incel camino

This is ridiculous. Instead of throwing more bureaucracy and surveillance at everything and stuffing people into prisons, they could just subsidize safe equipment to price parity with the bullshit. Market would clean it up real fast, adoption would increase, everyone wins.

>>2041636
This is coming from an experienced NYC courier who hates riding eBikes unless working cargo, for the record

>>2041636
>everyone wins
Not when you include the oil barons who own the politicians into the equation

>>2041636
>subsidize safe equipment
Sounds like communism. Where would be the incentive to not burn down your house if the nanny state got invovled?

>>2037424
your legs and a shock collar for dogs to shock you when you go slow

Rolling a red with an ebike now gets you criminal charges in NYC not just a traffic violation

>>2029537
It’s a push scooter and a motor scooter the same way it’s a push bike and a motor bike

>>2032887
Ummmm based alert ???

>>2028189
scum. in the uk i have to pay so much to have a moped but a nigger can ride a bike like that and be ok. why cant i ride a bike like that and not be pulled over? sick of it. fucking cops are anti fun cunts. fuck niggers too.

ebike is a slur.

Call it what it is and call it a wheel chair for the future.

>>2047885
Wait, cops in the UK only pull over white people? Dare I say based?

>>2027639 (OP)
First, a license, or even a registration, won't prevent Ebike fires.
Second, most of the time when a battery catches fire is because of the heat and so during two situations ,one: discharging, two: charging (most of the time is during the charge) and when a battery catches a fire during discharge anyway you are outside so it's not a big hazard. It also come from two factors, one a defective battery and two a shitty charger. The big hazard is when you charge your battery at home often during the night with no survey so the best way to prevent this is to regulate chargers. Like forbid an over 6A charger for the pleb or forbid chinese imported chargers or ask for a license to every charger's builders and so a control to what charger is sell or imported, with only that you've fixed a big part of the problem because even a shitty battery in short circuit with a low charge don't catches a fire or not so strongly than a full or over charged battery. To be precise, the best protective element is the BMS, but it is part of the battery and is therefore very difficult to control what BMS is in every battery. A good smart charger with all the protections included is the best way to avoid most problems.
Ideally you should get a charger that correspond to your battery but it's not gonna happen soon. To give you an exemple i have myself build my own battery for my bike and regarding my calculation i can get a 9A charger but i get a 5A charger to be secure because charging in 2 hours or 4 is not a big deal, plus a low charge is better for the batterie cel. The thing is that you can't ask everybody to be smart so for me the charger regulation is the way to go.

>>2027639 (OP)
I would dearly LOVE it if E-Bikes and E-scooters were required to be licensed and insured.

The people that ride them are absolute menaces.
I'd seen people hit and hurt by them before.
But now this is personal to me, I was recently riding my classic 20" single speed Italian Cinzia city bike, coming home from the ride I was 2 minutes from home when an E-scooter rider was at absolutely flying speed paying no attention to anything but his phone, he panicked/lost control and veered into me headfirst.
His scooter destroyed my bike, just exploded it, but worse was I am seriously injured with bruises and the revving E-scooter wheel took ALL the skin off my shin and calf.

Bastard took off running with his e-scooter leaving me there bleeding in the road, I feel that if there were a license at least I could've gotten a plate number to track him down.
As it is I'm just SOL.

>>2029537
The scooter word is linked to step-through. Anything that looks like step through rather than leg over. Easy mount-up, IDK why but that is the reasoning.

From LA to PA. Thoughts on the route?

Ebikers all ride like assholes. So, I hope for this to happen.

>>2049980
Take a boat to Vancouver, ride to Toronto, then take a boat to Erie, PA.
That way you don't have to ride in the US and might even survive the trip.

>>2027639 (OP)
Fuck, yeah! Casuals get the rope. Motor vehicles are motor vehicles.

ebikes go 7 times as far on 1 gallon of gasonline.

>>2048524
Based e-scooter CHAD annihilating the fixie

all ebikes should be licensed, insuranced, and require dash cams

>>2050961
Gas chamber bro has hit the thread

>>2028278
Jesus Christ just say youre gay and live on the West Coast so you can skip writing the fucking novel next time

>>2050961
>Vehicle designed to carry family of four has more weight the ebike meant to carry faggot of one
Wow!

>>2051147
would

>>2052353
Cars have one person inside on the vast majority of trips.

65 mph. Is it a motorcycle or a moped?

>>2052471
Dorkmobile, complete with jeans flapping around pencil legs.

>>2050961
Reminder that there's literally 0 proof of Nazi gas vans ever existing. Every photo of a "Nazi gas van" is just a regular furniture van and this is openly admitted. Soviet gas vans are very well documented, however.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_van

>>2027639 (OP)
>>2028189
>>2028217
>I WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO EXTORT MORE TAXES FROM ME!!!
Why must we regulate all freedom away? Do you not realize all talk of ebike licensing, regulation, banning and so forth comes from the governments frustration that ebikes currently provide a decent mode of transport for a low, and untaxed price?
Remember that 55mph speed limits exist because it raises tax, not safety.

>>2047885
>>2047968
>stops you riding an ebike
>simultaneously neglects countless bike thefts
UK police a scum worthy of execution.

>>2048003
Or just accept that people will occasionally burn their house down.

>>2048003
Surely you realize that getting on the slippery slope of charger regulation will certainly lead to you being forbidden from creating and using custom batteries, ruining your hobby? People used to treat motorbikes and automobiles like this before the state regulated and taxed away any choice.

>>2048524
Guns solve this problem.

>>2053072
>let's just encourage retards to shoot each other over nothing because muh freedom
Yeah nah

>>2050961
My motorcycle gets 80mpg. There are plenty that get in the 120mpg range.
My car gets better than 30mpg. Stone age image

>>2027639 (OP)
NUKE JEWYORK NOW

>>2053077
Well if getting hit head on and the skin torn from your leg is "nothing" then I guess you don't need to register e-scooters either.

>>2053068
55mph speed limit exists because of the oil crisis, smart guy

They're afraid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa8-DFfuoqE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB6hBLmBhPA

tldw shills are only now realizing that ebike owners aren't actually cyclists and only have ebikes as cope for their inability to access better transportation options so the only thing cyclists can do to prevent the inevitable wave of new laws and regulations is to sperg out and go Karen-mode at anyone with a fast ebike.

>>2027639 (OP)
ok, now make all apple shit also need license

>>2053342
If the chink batteries they put in the good, expensive tech can do that just imagine what the battery on your $150 conversion kit can do.

>>2048524
>I would dearly LOVE it if E-Bikes and E-scooters were required to be licensed and insured
>licensed
sure
>insured
no way kike

>>2053444
That's how it's going to go down though. People will finally get fed up with retards going 30 down the MUP on walmart bikes with chink hub motors and giant batteries held on with zip ties and duct tape and demand the government do something. Regulating motor wattage and limiters and shit like that is totally ineffective without mandatory inspections and speed limits won't be effective without licensing and insurance - most of the deterrence of an automotive speeding ticket is the threat of insurance hikes or suspended licenses, not the actual fine. Then the final stage is everyone abandons ebikes because they were always an objectively terrible form of transportation and the only lure of them in the first place was dodging the regulations governing every other form of motorized transportation.

>>2028734
Found the fatty.

>>2037420
Wow, lots of fatties in this here thread.

>>2053621
>>2053622
Go to the gym, poorfag.

>>2048524
Based scooters cleaning up the ecosystem, two nuisances at a time.

>>2053330
Dunno why people are making this so complicated. Just put a speed limit.
>But I'm a cyclist and I want go to fast
So do motorists. Speed is dangerous. Everyone is safer at lower speeds.
Otherwise, there's no problems with these bikes. Hell, force people to pay 20 USD for a little plaque at the back if you want regulation.

>>2053663
There is a speed limit coming soon to NYC

>>2027639 (OP)
>blaim registration instead of unstable lithium ion batteries with a lifespan under 5 years

>>2028692
In shartistan they can go like 50+ of your poverty units per hour in pedal assist or throttle and be considered a bike and ride in bike lanes. Some states have defined them as limited to 20 miles per hour top speed to be considered a bicycle. The problem is chinkshit will be sold as s 20 mph class 1 but can be unlocked to 35 mph by the user. It's the ebike wild west here.

>>2031850
this is how it works in canada. before the e-bike craze, the mark of a true degen was scooting around on an electric vespa knockoff because YOU JUST KNOW they lost their license but are too lazy to actually pedal.

it varies slightly by province and municipalities have their own by-laws, but the rule of thumb is that if it's less than 50cc or is entirely electric, it's not a real vehicle and doesnt need a license. modern high powered electric bikes muddy the waters a bit but I gave my province's motor vehicles act a skim the other day and basically if it's slow enough it counts as a bike. But also you can get real bigboy moving violations on bikes now that affect you if you have a license.

>>2048524
privately owned e-bikes and even those shitty battery razer scooters are okay, but the rideshare ones are always ridden by menaces and they get left around as litter. cities should ban those apps

Another one goes up in flames. We need to bring back the 90s and 00s when bike messengerism was a noble profession that didn't intentionally kill innocent people to avoid having to pedal

Some citibikes are now capped at 15mph. I've also noticed delivery bikes going slower. But I've also seen riders on citibikes easily keeping up with me at 18+mph. So it must be a firmware update that takes a while to roll out.

>>2027639 (OP)
Great! But I have some thoughts.

why can people use crosswalks without a pedestrian license and pedestrian insurance? If they use the signal improperly they could cause a car accident and cause people to die or be hurt.

Why do we not have renting licenses? Shouldn't people have to prove they know how the rent process works so that landlords can be assured that their slaves will pay them on time?

Why do we let people post on 4chan without a posting license? They could spread misinformation, or post a low quality image like OP which breaks rule #7

So many licenses need to be written to law! Porn! Grocery stores! Bowling! Karaoke! Bus riding! Uber! Gaming! Buttfucking!

>>2057476
If we end up having to get sidewalk licenses because ebike "people" can't control their electric motorcycles, it will be your fault

>>2057476
There is an inviolable human right to travel peaceably in public
THE human way to travel peaceably is walking
Every technological improvement on walking is not your God given way to travel, so can be meaningfully restricted into a privilege. Walking cannot be restricted this way.

>>2031427
Their greed was their undoing. I hope they learned their lesson.