I guess it's finally time for new thread.
what are your touring plans for 2025? cooking up some months long big adventure or just few small trips every now and then?
maybe you're already on a tour or just finished one recently?
I'll be going across the Europe to Santiago de Compostela, starting in April.

i'm planning to visit my sister in varna this year

Last year I did the mini tour (?) of Mindanao that I planned which was a short 300km ride for 2 days. Komoot sucks balls when it comes to planning and giving accurate gradients.
It was really fun and was surprisingly safe and I was lucky enough not to bump into rebels and such.
I'll be planning another one soon but idk how it'll go. I found out I need time to prepare.

>>2032041
you can't properly bike in romania, you're liable to get run over. from what I could research, there is a rich bike path network in germany, austria and it goes along the danube all the way to hungary, and there are some safe roads in hungary and serbia as well, but romania has none of those. I suppose if you stay on the very small roads you won't encounter a lot of traffic and heavy vehicles, but you can't avoid the main roads completely. you can take the train here and there, that's what I would do if I were you. and the serbian border / danubian region is a death trap, it's a very scenic route and I've wanted to do it for a long time, but the winding road offers poor visibility to the retarded speeding drivers and it's very dangerous, I advise against it, which is a shame since the views are superb.

also you're going to get obliterated by romanian mosquitos in the summer, try doing it in may when it's not too hot out, and you can actually ride without sweating like a pig.

>>2032041
cтoй cи тaм пeдepacт

I took the ol Gunnar out for a week in December, pretty sweet.

Gravelkangz got one glass puncture, other than that, no drama

nice spot for a flat too

what do you guys think?
first going to Tuscany, visit a friend.
then to the atlantic and after that south and once I'm there it's either Morocco or slowly going back home, wandering in Spain and France.

>>2032090
damn, that's nice. where is it? I hope you jumped in there

>>2032274
coromandel peninsula
>hope you jumped in there
ofc

>>2032253
no advice but i'd love to do that

>>2032057
I've crossed Romania by bicycle three times and you're FULL of shit. It's never been easier now that virtually all roads are in perfect condition. Lots of options to avoid the highways. Even the shepherd dogs that used to chase you a few hundred meters downhill are pretty chill now. Great country to cycle, one of my favorites in Europe.

>and the serbian border / danubian region is a death trap
The Serbian side of the Iron Gates NP road barely has ANY traffic, is in good condition and super-scenic. What the fuck are you talking about?
The Danube bike trail is boring as all fuck by the way.

That being said

>>2032041
this route looks like low-effort junk, crossing some of the most boring areas you could possibly pick in a region that is generally very scenic.

>>2032482
This post sponsored by gypsy bike thieves.

>>2032485
>>2032482
yeah the guy is full of shit. as a local bikenigger I'm pretty sure I know what I am talking about, romanian driver have zero regard for human life, for pedestrians as well, and they have minus infinity regard for cyclists. almost every single driver that passes you has to fight a primal urge in order to not run you over.

>>2032913
>romanian driver have zero regard for human life
Sure within Europe they're definitely below average drivers but using that as a reason to avoid cycling in Romania altogether is beyond fucking retarded. By that metric you'd have to avoid most of the world. Peak cuck attitude. These days you can easily cross the entire country on well-paved roads without taking any high-traffic routes anyway.

t. been to all 41 Romanian counties + Bucharest by bicycle.

>>2032044

>>2032044
how's the air quality in mindanao? in luzon it's abysmal and I would never have dreamed of riding a bike in that cunt

why is it so uncommon to see front racks with baskets? and, how comfortable or uncomfortable is it to have two 1.5 liter bottles in stem bags which are connected to the handlebar and fork via voila straps?

>>2032926
>Harghita
>Romania

ok my guy, first of all that's bum fuck nowhere, the traffic is very light there, it does not compare with the south, where the original poster said wants to bike. trust me, there are no proper ways to bike in these parts, the only roads here are high ways and express roads. you will find some very inconvenient zig zaggin comunal road that will lead you back to the main express road, but not before circling around the same spot for an hour like an idiot.

>cuck
have fun suffering broken limbs, possibly paralysis. in the meanwhile you could bike the paths in germany, france or italy, why bother with romania

>>2033003
in the big cities it is less so compared to Metro Manila because of car dependency. But in rural areas it's fresh as you can imagine. The only problem with riding in remote places is the abundance of trucks and buses that really come close to you in highways. If the place you visit has a big cycling community they would be more respectful and you feel safer when cycling.

I live in an agricultural city and once you move further away from the center the air quality is like night and day. But safety and access to things is a concern.

reporting in

>>2033039
Again, I've been to every single county of Romania including Bucharest by bicycle, without breaking a single bone. I cycled from Bucharest to Turnu Magurele without problems. Who gives le fuck that you have to cycle 20km more avoiding the highway?

>hargitha
>bumfuck nowhere

I can assure you vast swathes of Wallachia are way more rural and desolate than based Székelyföld.

>>2033115
I'm not saying you can't do it, I'm saying the risk outweighs the reward.

>>2033099
wish I could go touring with my buddy. she's gone now but her mother looked like yours.
cool setup

bike friends should i get the ortleib roller core or the altura sonic?

>>2033099
very based

i wonder if theres a way to get him in front on hills with a rope helping to pull the rig

>>2032997
LOVE that rig, looks so cool
the taper and rake on the fork with the spacing on the disc caliper looks wild

If you're gonna stick with the brooks i would look for a silver post, silver rails, silver post.

i would also swap the pump to the seat tube for looks.
saddlebag + rack always looks kinda fucky too what whatever i'm nitpicking

>>2032926
also a sick bike. It's kinda nostalgic now to see a trad style setup.

>>2033280
You will get attacked by other dogs, bring bear spray

>>2033280

>>2033281
there are better and ways to defend yourself against dogs than carrying bear spray, for instance, https://files.catbox.moe/lbdhy0.mp4

>>2033281
https://files.catbox.moe/8oyoe0.mp4

>>2033287
Fuck that makes me sad.
A relationship between a dog and a man is something special anons.

>>2033311
i would have no problem with carrying a big zip lock bag filled with dog food. the only issue would be water capacity. maybe two collapsible 3L hydration packs reserved for dog, with a dog bowl, also collapsible, would do the trick.

>>2033275
>If you're gonna stick with the brooks i would look for a silver post, silver rails, silver post.
I'm looking to buy a titanium seatpost but I'm having second thoughts because there's still a risk of corrosion with cromo steel.

The rear rack is a temporary thing until I can get a hold of a locally made polished steel rack.

Yeah, the saddle bag is just there for quick access for tools. Thinking of actually just getting a frame bag to hold more stuff but idk where to put my water bottles and I'm afraid to use the mounts on the carbon fork.

>>2033312
I go on multi day rides with my dog and water isnt usually the problem. It depends where youre touring but here i have a lot of streams and lakes around me.
Dogfood isnt that heavy for a few days, my dog weighs around 25kg and he usually needs about 500g of meat/day.
Im not in the desert so shops are easily found every few kilometers.

>>2033311
don't be sad for the end
be joy for the good times

a bright candle burns through

>>2033317
>I'm looking to buy a titanium seatpost but I'm having second thoughts because there's still a risk of corrosion with cromo steel.
can't say that i have even ever seen a titanium seatpost more than a couple times and i have seen a lot of bikes. I think that probably means that it is not a good material for seatposts and i don't care to look it up and read autism at the moment but i know that is the prevailing attitude towards titanium forks so maybe it's the same.
what is the corrosion risk? Is it anything beyond dissimilar metals? Because the usual galvanic corrosion between alluminium and steel is really a nonissue if you're not a totally neglectful shithead with your bike. A 10 second wipe and grease every year will keep it at bay.
Just get a shiny aluminium one. Personally i like the cheap one bolt type.

>polished steel rack.
buy a tubus one from germany bro. They are the best. Your brakes luckily do not marr a rack whatsoever so the classic designs will work well for you.
The dual rail design of your current rack is actually quite good. But racks like that designed to be flatpacked cannot be as stiff/good as one piece racks and even what surly does with adjustable lowers is imo quite bad.
You could also go for a total meme rack the mega light svelte ones they do. In Ti even.

>idk where to put my water bottles and I'm afraid to use the mounts on the carbon fork.
your fork doesn't even have bottle cage bosses, does it? Looks to me like just a midfork boss. On one hand you'd think that means it's rated to be loaded with ~10kg of front pannier load. But I wouldn't clamp to a carbon fork. Get lowriders? Zip tie baskets on them.

Clamp a bottle cage under your downtube.

>>2033275
>also a sick bike.
Thank you. I've since upgraded to red back panniers for a more cohesive look.

Currently fucking around in Norway.

>>2033099
nice doggo


I'm building up a dropbar tourer.
which one would you choose
>gravel groupset and hydraulic brakes
>friction shifters (barcons), mechanical discs and some common groupset

I read that friction shifters work with anything, so I think that if something breaks it would be easier to handle.
I have hydraulic brakes and they're mostly fine but pistons get sticky every now and then. I don't think I can fix those on the road.

>>2033389
both make sense

i'd go downtube shifters over barcons if you do go that route though. They're more reliable and make packing the bike easier.

Also better to get ones with rear index and friction modes, indexed shifting is great, if it goes out or you have to modify the bike with different stuff, then just switch to friction.

>>2033375
gorgeous
i'd love to go there one day or just try winter touring in general
whats the hardest part of it?

>>2032253
Have you ever done something like this? I have a similar plan but I'm not European, for what I understand camping is way more regulated in most countries that I am used to. It seems kinda boring having to cap on designated sites.

>>2033389
Friction and trp hydraulic brakes

>>2033417
this

>>2033410
this long? no.
>camping is way more regulated in most countries
nah, you'll be fine. just find some secluded spot and don't make big bonfire. no one is gonna call the cops on you. I think.

>>2033417
I hope you mean hylex (hydro) and not hyrd ("hydro")

anyone else just patiently waiting to get laid off so they can begin their trip? what are some things I can do or say to force my company to let me go while retaining unemployment benefits?

>>2033431
>what are some things I can do or say to force my company to let me go w
just have any job description more advanced than "burger flipper" and let the HR department know that you

1. had at least 1 nonwhite ancestor at the great grandparent level or more recent. or
2. are a woman, or
3. are gay, or
4. are not a supporter of adolf hitler or his policies

ok see you guys in 3 days

>>2033440
you really misread that post lmao

>>2033440
Burgers?

has anon shared some if not all of american cycling association's gpx files?

>>2033397
>whats the hardest part of it?
About winter touring? For me it's probably the short days, particularly when you're somewhere far North. Not a lot of sunlight. I find it extremely hard to get out of my sleeping bag in the morning and dread cycling through the dark after 6pm.
The cold itself is very manageable if you're well-prepared. Hands can freeze fast as fuck if you're not careful, which is annoying. Temps just above 0°C coupled with rain are the worst. Had -9°C degree here yesterday, the lowest temp I've experienced on this trip so far. But sunny weather, not a single cloud, so it wasn't a big deal.

>>2033932
man sounds difficult but how beautiful

>>2033944
>man sounds difficult

It's okay.

>>2032057
>there is a rich bike path network in germany, austria and it goes along the danube all the way to hungary,
>there is a rich bike path network in germany, austria and it goes along the danube all the way to hungary,
There is, I have ridden the whole length of the Danube cycle route from its source in Donaueschingen to Bratislava in Slovakia. I did it in stages over three years, from 2021-2023 and it has been one of the most amazing experiences of my life. I have tens of thousand of photos of the trip and I still like to go over all the photos of one stage or another and relive the trip.

Am I making a big mistake riding with a narrower dropbar? I'm thinking of going on a short 160km trip soon.
>46cm hoods to 40cm on the hoods

>>2033375
looks like you still sleeep without the tent?

>>2034160
depends

bars like that are designed for the drop position to be your primary position for control, and the hoods are an aero position for riding into the wind.
That's a good setup for touring but the drops need to be high enough to be comfortable for technical maneuvering. Probably means having the tops of the drops above the height of your saddle.

Modern road setup religates the drops to an aero position for descending and sprinting, not really comfortable to ride for any distance and not high enough for you to even really look up. While the hoods are your primary position for most all else.

>>2033410
>>2033420
It's really a case of "it's only a crime if you get caught" .
I've hiked through France and some of Spain over and over, camped in abandonned hangars, wood clearings, fieldside hedges and whatnot and never had a problem.
Main thing that could give you away would be building a fire and having someone call the cops on you. Depending on the area they really don't take any chances on wildfires and they do not care that you've done it tons of time and you know what you're doing. So travel with a gas can instead for your cooking.
And even if you're worried, you can always just ask locals if you can pitch your tent in their field or gardens.
The designated camping areas have the advantage of often having build fire pits sometimes, and (might change depending on the country) are mandated to have a fresh water access and a bathroom.

>>2033410
protip :

if you freedom camp, clean the area. Pick up all the rubbish. Yeah it's maybe not viable to take big stuff out on a bicycle or clean up literal shit but you can definitely go around with a ziplock bag and grap some plastic wrappers etc.

locals will blame you for it, even if it's not yours
likewise they might realise that you've done it, and appreciate that, and it could even get you out of trouble if someone says oi what are you doing here cunt and you can tell them you cleaned the place up and are gonna leave it nicer than you found it.

Laws are not even real in most cases if you behave respectfully.

>>2034418
Yup.

>>2033317
You can always opt to go with two stem bags for water. You also look like you have enough room that if you swapped the seat post bottle cage for a larger cargo style cage or something else that can store a 1-1.5L bottle. A further alternative would be trade out the dry bag on the rear rack for set of waterproof panniers and then strap a larger container to the top of the rack. You could easy fit 2L that way as well. There's also room to give in the bag if you just wanted to strap a container on top of it. You could potentially even get stem bags and hang bottles from the rack like panniers. As far as moving the tools you could go with a long but shallow bag, a top tube bag near the seat post, or move it to the down tube. Or if it's not hurting anything just keep it in the saddle bag.

>>2034483
This guy thinks he is a regular steve wallis

>>2034449
really? how high are we talking about? should I get a tall quill stem like the nitto technomic and level it around saddle height or something?

>>2034497
I've been meaning to get another stem bag. Thanks I'll try the setups you guys recommended.

>>2034449
>the drops need to be high enough to be comfortable for technical maneuvering. Probably means having the tops of the drops above the height of your saddle.
>>2034952
>really? how high are we talking about?

picrel will be good for light (credit card) bike touring right? its a used cube nuroad FE for 400 euros. It comes with a dynamo hub and a rear carrier
here are the specs https://archiv.cube.eu/en/2023/680055

I like the idea of just packing some clothes and tools and riding all day, then sleeping in a hotel 1-2 days and repeat
I am only worried about getting run over lmfao, but I think thats because I live near industrial areas and there are shitloads of trucks

>>2035063

Disc brakes + QR skewers are a terrible combination - you will never be able to get the brakes to stop rubbing. There's a reason why thru-axles are the standard, I wouldn't even consider a QR skewer disc brake bike for normal riding, let alone for touring where you want everything to be reliable and require minimal tools / maintenance / adjustment / etc.

>>2035329
There were ~15 years of disc brakes (at the high end, longer for mass adoption) with quick release skewers.

They didn't work?

And what you're suggesting is ... that flex in the hub/ axle is the significant contributing factor to brake rub? I'd like to hear you try to explain it further.

>>2035063
pretty good imo

34x34 low gear is not adequate for fully loaded touring but for light stuff it's good enough. Claris is reasonably good. The compatibility is fantastic, down the line you could just bang on an XT derailer and an 11-40 cassette. Problem area is those STI shifters and those front derailleurs are pretty annoying to change cables on but not a huge deal if it's setup well you shouldn't have to futz with it. If you went on a longer trip i'd suggest you re-cable to learn it before you go.

The carbon fork is nice spec at that pricepoint but unfortunately it's german so they allow one boss for lowriders but not two for oversized cages. Lowriders are overkill for light touring, weight, and a big aero penalty, but having no front load is bad for weight distribution especially climbing hills. I would consider a light lowrider rack, and strap stuff to it or maybe a minirack with arms down to the bosses or just strap something on your bars.

I like the colour.

If the brakes suck, swapping to a different (new) mech disc setup shouldn't be that expensive if you do it yourself and yeah, it's not the most modern tech but people are just retards if they say it outright doesn't work.

The only major issue that there may be and there's nothing to believe this just maybe is make sure you buy a bike that is easily adaptable fit wise to have a reasonably upright position.

Do it, touring is awesome.

>>2035063
>someone sold used one for 400 euro
god damn it anon, damn good deal, i'd take that deal if someone offered me one, i bought mine nuroad PRO fe 2020 with tiagra fresh from the cube for 1200 euro, took it out with a credit, but i never had a buyers remorse, i did 25k km with it, changed drivetrain 2 times every 12k, and am very fuckin happy cause of that bike, lost 38kg thanks to cycling, and that gravel was life changing to me, from 120kg to 82kg in 3 years.
i did 300km in one day on that gravel so i think yea, nuroads are pretty fucking good
do you know how much that guy drove with the bike ? does he have papers for the bike ? is the cassete and crankset in good shape ? how's the chain ?

>>2035330
the disc brake cult is the worst

>>2035063
>>2035334
oh yea i forgot, changing tubes/tires is a fucking bitch ass thing that i dont wish on my worst enemy to do, get yourself the strongest hardest tire levers you can find, you gotta learn how to change that fuckass tire, i dont have this problem on my roadie, on it i can just swap tube in less than 5 minutes and go on the road, but on gravel ? be prepared for wrestling with the tire

>>2035063
>>2035332
>34x34 low gear
I have that ratio and I load it with $100 dollar grocery runs and I really only notice it being a little tough on the killer hill (I'm in the foothills of a mountain range)
so, depending on anon's leg strength and the terrain, it's probably cool unless he's super weak and touring the alps

>>2035340
Yeah you really do not want that on a touring bike where calling for a ride is not an option.

ime it's kinda random which tire/rim combos are a bitch, so he's probably fine and you're probably unlucky.
I've had a few sets of g-ones and never found them that difficult.

The stuff most likely to be difficult is 'tubeless compatible', both tires and rims, super heavy duty tires like marathon plus, and exotic open tubs like challenge.

Birzman green levers are my fav. Bit thinner than pedros but very strong. Agree to get some nice ones.

>>2035344
for wire bead tires, I've only ever needed two random levers at worst, and usually just my hands or one lever.
got my first kevlar bead tires and with my thin-ass tpu tubes, the levers were fucking up the installation by scraping the sides of the tube. I've changed a million tires with butyl tubes with no issues, but I was tearing my TPUs up with regular levers in conjunction with the fucking super tight tolerances of the kevlar beads
tr;dl I bought a set of 2 Pedros levers and it instantly eliminated all the issues I was having.

I never thought levers were anything but cheap plastic but my Conti gp5k's taught me different

>>2035330

>There were ~15 years of disc brakes (at the high end, longer for mass adoption) with quick release skewers.

No, there wasn't, lol.

And I will explain: The reason thru axles were invented, the reason they are completely ubiquotous on disc brake bikes, is because they are a far more precise and consistent way of fitting the wheel to the bike with the correct alignment.
With a QR setup, the dropouts *have* to be a sloppy fit for the hub, to allow the wheel to slide in and then the QR skewer to squeeze everything together and hold the wheel in place, and this usually doesn't matter, because 1-2 mm of misalignment here or there makes no difference for rim brakes.
For disc brakes, the pads are 1 mm or less from the rotor, and the alignment and tolerances are much much tighter (hence why everyone has problems with rubbing, warping, etc.), so the relatively low tolerances and imperfect alignment of the QR system means every time you take a wheel on or off, slide things in and out, and squeeze everything together again, the wheel is now in a slightly different position and you have to re-align - not a problem with thru-axles with more precise alignment thanks to the threaded interface.

This is literally the entire reason thru-axles exist and if you don't even know how a QR skewer or thru-axle works you shouldn't be giving bike advice on the internet.

>Muh stiffness flex blah blah blah

You fell for the marketing, retard. There is absolutely no difference in stiffness between the two systems.

>>2035367
Sorry, but where exactly is the variable alignment on a modern vertical dropout (or a nicer old bike with set screws, or a fork end)?

How exactly does the alignment change on wheel installs? The wheel butts up against a precise spot on the frame on both sides, that's where it installs every time. The hub width doesn't change either.

And even -if- what you are saying were true, disc systems do not rely on the brake mounts being precisely aligned with the wheel/rotor, that's why they have those connical washers which allow for adjustment in every direction, and it's standard practice when setting up disc brakes to loosen the attachment bolts, pull the lever, and then tighten the bolts to align the caliper.

So even if wheel installs put out the alignment it would take 10 seconds to fix it simply by loosening the bolts, pulling the lever, and then tightening the bolts. Seeing as regularly removing your wheels is a pretty niche use case, why would that even be a problem?

>>2035367
>>There were ~15 years of disc brakes (at the high end, longer for mass adoption) with quick release skewers.
>No, there wasn't, lol.

Shimano XT got discs in 1998 and XT got thru axles in 2016


So.... ? what?

>>2035375
>>2035377

I wasn't offering you my opinion, lol, I was explaining the actual reason why disc brake bikes use thru-axles over QR skewers. You randomly deciding that in your opinion it's not a big deal is completely irrelevant. Enjoy, I guess.

For the guy asking about buying the bike, take whatever advice you want, but DYOR, and you will see that no major manufacturer sells any disc brake bikes with QR skewers at anything other than the extreme budget level, and for good reason. Disc brake bikes with QR skewers are BSOs.

>>2035329
>Disc brakes + QR skewers are a terrible combination - you will never be able to get the brakes to stop rubbing.

>>2035378
uh huh, so that was bullshit?
You act like it's a big deal, but actually, it isn't.

Thru axle is obviously superior, and for -new- bikes it's a signifier of overall quality, like you say, but he isn't asking about a new bike.

You're just telling lies and talking shit.

>>2035329
I have QR + hydraulic disk brakes on my hardtail, havent had any issues
what you are saying is I should pay 2-3 times more just because you think the pads are 1 mm or less to the disc? and as if that cant be adjusted?
>>2035332
yeah I am worried about the gears, my mtb has lower gears (I think the cube goes 11kph on lower gear vs 6 kph on my mtb with same cadance) and I go into the lowest gear often when I am tired and not feeling it
the fork mounts I also saw are fucked but eh, gotta have some compromise
>>2035334
the bike is sold from a shop that imports 2nd hand bikes from other countries, I dont think they realise what they got, I will go check it out next week when I get my salary
>>2035341
I dont live in the alps, I am fat however
>>2035378
people were using QR for ages, do you think they all had brake rub?
and you dont even mention the applied force vector on a disc brake vs a rim brake favoring thru axles
I think you are talking shit

How unrealistic is this estimation? From Vigo Spain to Athens and camping.

>>2035638
Vigo to Athens is a lot more than 2800km though, unless you shorten the trip with ferry rides. Barcelona > Civitavecchia is ridiculously cheap and covers an insane distance. Ferries from Italy to the Balkans and Greece are very affordable too.

I could easily do it on that budget but I rarely pay for accomodation or camp sites and only eat grocery store junk food.

>>2035367
Hydro dick breaks are self-adjusting anon.

>>2035378
>Disc brake bikes with QR skewers are BSOs.
big if true

>>2035391
>people were using QR for ages, do you think they all had brake rub?
nta but yeah, mostly they did

How would you setup a road bike with no mounting holes? Mine has a narrow dropbar so only a small bag in front. Frame bag and a big ass saddlebag at the front for 1-3 day trip?

>>2035895
I would use a tailfin or seatpost bag

>>2035895
>Frame bag
no
>big ass saddlebag
yeah
>at the front
no, at the back, under the saddle.
and don't go for overpriced shit like tailfin

Are there any countries where you can cycle without traffic lights? Bonus points if its in cities.

>>2035913

>>2035914
requires government tour

>>2035917

>>2035895
Tubus and others make mounts that clamp on to your stays and fork blades. I have p-clamps on a rack that have never given me trouble, but I've had p-clamps fail on the rack I loaded heavily and most often. the tubus adapters I got afterwards are rock solid for the better part of a decade now.

>>2034974
I see. So I have to get a taller quill stem or is pic related better? Although having the former would allow me to fine tune it better. But it seems Nitto is the only one who makes them anymore.

>>2035895
Everybody else has given the obvious answers so let me float a couple of galaxy brained weird ones:
https://old.reddit.com/r/bikepacking/comments/14mc5u4/whats_your_opinion_on_my_budget_tailfin_rackold/ inb4 reddit
Used BOB trailer, depends on your rear wheel but seems like it should be relatively gentle on handling and relatively easy-on/easy-off/easy to pack compared to bikepacking bags

finally the weather was nice enough when I just happen to have some free time, so I took a few days trip to visit local desert.

>>2038871
but first I got to fool around in the nearby hilly area with some rocks

>>2038872
and tons of sand (duh, it's near a desert)

>>2038873

>>2038875
some of the rocks formed old castles

>>2038876
choo choo
some very old litter in the forest

>>2038873
there were also some nice paths

and the desert in all it's glory

>>2038880
more glory

>>2038881
they're making a path that will go around the desert, full circle. pretty nice, it's not fully done yet.

>>2038882
I also got lucky and it was full moon.
night on a desert with clear skies and full moon! sweet! and cold as fuck.
unfortunately all pictures from night look like shit.

>>2038883
and a morning shot. the platform was covered in hoarfrost, I even checked the weather the day before and it said there will be 6C-7C at night, man deserts are unpredictable.
that is all.

>>2033099
Omg thats the best thing ive seen on this godforsaken site! Look at the puppy!

>>2035895
I took a full carbon with 25s on a rails to trails ride. 250sih miles and 5 overnights.

sleeping bag went in the front.
extra drybag of food and misc was also off the front (heaviest bag by far).
toptube bag for tools and hygeine stuff.
and buttbag had my clothes, hammock and more misc.

If i did it again i'd like to do a tent. tentpoles can strap alongside the toptube, and the rainfly/base can be seperated to fit between the front and rear bags. I could add a small triangle bag towards the front if i find out i need more storage.

It's my first time here, I come from /k/ and I'm looking for a shtf bike, what would you recommend? I guess a touring bike with as little components as possible would be ideal righr? I want some recomendations since I don't ride a bike since I'm a teenager.

>>2039619
do you want a bike that is reliable/maintanance free, or a bike that has easily available components and fixable easily

im (>>2035063) back
bought a cheap bike from a native manufacturer, rode some kilometers
thinking of doing a little credit card biketrip of 2 days of 60km a day, 2 nights rest, 2 days of 60km a day back this weekend
my list of things to pack
>multitool, tire levers, pump, tire patch kit, 1-2 inner tubes
>some clothes, wipes, battery bank
>bike lock
>food and water (tons of it) and powdered electrolyte drink to mix in it
I have a saddle bag, a frame bag, a handlebar bag and a small backpack, thinking of stuffing backpack with water and clothes
my main problem will be water, I really dont want to stop, I have quite a few water bottles, will probly hang em in side pockets of backpack

am I missing something?

>>2039630
>do you want a bike that is reliable/maintanance free, or a bike that has easily available components and fixable easily
I have a motorycle and I have no problem wrenching on it, so working on a bycicli doesn't sound bad as long as I can find components

>>2039632
probably a fixed gear bike with cantilever/V brakes would be best, you can carve brake pads out of everything, no gears means no derailleurs, just get an old steel mtb, then you could weld the frame if anything happens easily
belt drives are nice, no lube, self cleaning, but you are a shizo so you are better off with a chain, as they are much easier to find

>>2039633
I forgot to add, I live in Spain and it's fll of mountains here. I used to ride a fixie to workout but it's not energy efficent here. I was looking for something modern with reliable shitfting and made or aluminium.

>>2039631
ok im back
due to some work shit, I couldnt do the trip last weekend, I am going tomorrow, its probably going to rain
I am ditching the battery pack
>multitool, tire levers, pump, inner tube (maybe 2), chain lube
>2 sets of clothes packed in backpack, and 3 sets of undies/socks
>2 extra bottles on side of backpack
>a few energy gel bars, and isotonic powder
god damn it should be a 3-4 hour ride each day, I dont know why I am so worried, only issue is carrying clothes and if it rains idk what I will do

>>2041126
>I am going tomorrow, its probably going to rain

don't. it's gonna suck.

>>2041126
also you REALLY don't need all that gear and clothing for a two-day trip

and cycling with a backpack is awful

>>2041160
>>2041161
seems like it wont rain, thinking of copping a raincoat from decathlon
and I wont be home for 5 nights total, its 4 days of 60km each day
and I know backpacks suck, but its a small hiking backpack, I have done 1 hour trips with it and its fine

>>2041168
ok so I arrived at the first hotel
almost 60km, total just a bit under 5 hours, ride time 3 hours 36 mins
I bonked hard, I should have stopped somewhere to eat, ran out of water too
they let me put my bike inside the cheap hotel room, so thats okay

the added weight really shows, I am ditching the bike lock and some clothes on the way back
gonna get shitfaced at the restourant in the hotel, there is a prom party hosted here tho....

>>2041126
>if it rains idk what I will do
simply getting wet is an option too, you know?
I worked as a messenger for a year, at some point I stopped bothering with rain clothes.
Either you get wet from rain or from condensation.
That's not a problem, as long as you don't get too cold. Ideal clothes are lycra, of course. But anything that dries quickly is fine.
I've done weeks-long tours with just 3 sets of clothes. 1 for on the bike, 1 for city visits and 1 for sleeping.

>>2041194
go take a shower and enjoy prom night.
remember: no one knows you and you'll never see them again after tomorrow.

>>2041207
I have driven rain, I have ran in rain, I know one can only get so wet, I am worried about bike drivetrain getting fucked and my backpack with all my shit in it
yeah but where did u wash ur clothes I basically brought an extra set for cold weather
>>2041209
bro that was the shittiest ""prom"" I was ever to
the culture here is you (as a 18 y/o finishing school) gather all your reletives in a restaurant and basically collect gifts from grandparents and cousins. Then you go to your actual prom with class mates, then go to a vacation to like greece with them.
I was at place hosting the collecting money part and it was shit, I drank 2 large vodkas, ordered way more than I could eat, fed the local stray (and a dog cus cat overfed), then wandered 40 mins around town looking for an open shop to buy some vodka to get shitfaced and pass out
it wasnt enough, I am gonna go to sleep semi sober lmfao

all is ready for tomorrows 60km, hope I get enough sleep tonight
ciao

>>2041210
You shower or swim in your cycling clothes, wring them out, put them on wet in the morning and go fast till you're not cold anymore.
Or you wash them in a sink with hand soap.
The sleeping and city clothes, you properly wash and dry once a week in a laundromat, hostel or campsite when you have a rest day.

>>2033099
those 4 ortlieb bags have to be worth more than your entire bike.

you may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like

>>2031994 (OP)
touring through Germany and France
on a VSF Fahrradmanufaktur and a Peugeot

>>2041214
cool setup , I like the cockpit

>>2033431
Talk about your wage, try and create a union.

>>2032041
I live pretty close to the first part of your route between Munich and Salzburg. I cant really tell which roads you chose there, but I would recommend that you take the Mangfall cycle route from Munich to Rosenheim (which is very nice, I have ridden it several times already) and the Salinenradweg cycle route from Rosenheim to just west of Salzburg instead. The former has the designation "Ma" on waymarkedtrails org, the latter has the designation "Sal". I havent ridden that latter one yet but It can only be better than what you have planned. You can download ready made gpx files for both cycle routes directly from waymarkedtrails.org.

>>2041225
After that retarded test, I eventually settled on a comfy cruiser setup.

>>2041271
gotcha, cool.
I settled on swept bars set slightly lower than the saddle on a normal reach quill but with this thing to get a forward position.

>>2033410
I wild camped in Germany, Italy, Spain, France, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and the Netherlands.
I'm probably forgetting one or two countries.
Never had an issue, ever.
Be respectful, be polite, be clean, be able to speak a few words in the local language, be white, and you won't have a problem.

>>2032091
THAT LOOK SO NICE :)

I live in south of NA which
>not bike friendly, driveroids everywhere
>everyone is poor so everyone is mentally boomed from the stress of being poor in our society, less likely to drive like actual functioning human and they just zoom past me at 70 mph


Nonetheless ive been taking bike out for 2-3 hours daily preparing to live full time on it. I hate leaning forward on drop bars to ride and not being able to just sit straight and enjoy view, but other than that its very fun

Zero neighbors have any racks or panniers for sale though and LBSes think im rich or something. 200 for ortlieb quick rack is insane. Dont trust ordering online for reasons. Do any of you have any extra rack/bags you aren’t using? I can buy it off you with paypal and cover shipping, just need a cheaper start point instead of ziptying buckets to my rig.

>>2031994 (OP)
why would you pile so much garbage onto your bike but not have a kickstand

>>2041353
they do have kickstands they're made of wood, see those stick-looking things?

>>2032092
you should get a small folding table, really helps with camp cooking.

>>2041353
grams

>>2041424
and a couple of chairs, maybe a few pillows, and a chandelier

mfw none of my irl friends are into bikes and I just want to go on a comfy little bikepacking trip with a buddy.

>>2041466
that sounds so gay

>ditch the backpack on the way back
>stuff a set of undies and socks
>get rained on a bit, but catch tailwind on pretty much the whole route
>do 4km 5 (54km) less but in almost 3 hours less
ok this was kinda fun

>>2041489
Oh no anon, you don't lay your gravel bike down on the drive side!
Your derailleur is now bent and you'll need a new bike! (That'll be $2500 please)

>>2041490
omg im sorry, I need new bike anyway because QR is absolute shit, mech brakes are for suicidal people, and aluminium is for retards
oh and I NEED a 14 speed rear cassete and wireless shifting

>>2041492
Paid a grand for an aluminum gravel bike am i a retard?

>>2041499
No. I paid more than a grand for a gravel bike with rim brakes and only one gear.

>>2041500
thanks i panicked a little its the most spensive thing ive ever owned

>>2041492
>mech brakes, QR, alu
I know how it feels. but at least I can buy touring gear on this POS and move it all over to a grail bike when i'm not poor (something from lauf or argon18), at least this thing was only $500

I calculated it with a spreadsheet. 28 pounds of gear including tent, racks, panniers, bike tools and maint/repair, clothes, propane stove, and pad/bag add up to around 2500.


However I cant even get hired by the local subways in this dead-ass city. Any suggestions on making money? Trying to leave the rat race but I even have to pay to do that apparently.

>>2041528
you can bikepack on any budget, it's just gonna be heavy and slow with lots of DIY for racks and panniers. as for that i got no idea, you say it's a dead ass city but has a subway? you in russia or something?

>>2041536
subway the american fast food joint not the underground transportation

reluctant to try out DIY panniers since they don’t seem reliable and have read stories about scratched paint, but it’s looking like that’s the only real option.

i’ll do more research

>>2041540
there's also FB marketplace, I can easily get 2 racks and 4 panniers for under $150 but if you are in a dead ass place then I doubt you have that selection

>>2041541
birmingham AL :skull: nothing within 50 miles

ok so I have been home since yesterday
>1st day 59.8km, total near 5 hours, start late, sun absolutely fucked, run out of water, get sunburnt like mad on my left leg and top of both arms, sleep in shitty ass hotel
>second day 58km, 6 hours and half total, head wind all the way, go to friends, get shitfaced
>third day go around town, eat at amazing and cheap restourant, sleep
>forth day 54km, a bit over 3 and a half hours, 3 times rain stops and starts, get soaked, tailwind all the way, ditch backpack only bring undies and socks, arrive at nice little villa earlier than expected, no shops or restaurants, wash clothes and take a nap, go to tiny dream store soaked cus clothes couldnt dry, drink half a liter of vodka, eat chips, peanuts and random bullshit
>5th day 72.5km, 4 hours 38 mins, tailwind, bonk midway, stop at gas station and buy some drinks and regain, go 70kph infront of cops standing by speed camera in 40kph zone cus fuck cops, last 10km of ride I notice white bubbles on forearm, get home its actually blisters from a 2nd degree sunburn
the last 2 days with tailwind were fun, the rest - pain

>>2041724
>hotel

Not actually bikepacking

>a fucking villa


Take your credit card and your patagonia underwear and go…I dont know eat a habanero pepper or something.

>ate at restaurant and gas station too, no packed food

Where’s your spirit, man?
then again at least you actually went /out/ a little so i guess you get points for that.

Next time sunscreen up, whiteanon

>>2041728
didnt anon just say he was credit card bike packing. just control-f'd and yep.
>>2035063
>>2039631
>>2035063
he said it three fucking times. lay off. prolly bikes more than you

>>2041730
hey cmon i gave him a LITTLE bit of credit at the end even though he spent 2/4 days of his credit trip drunk because he’s addicted to alcohol. Lemme rib a little. no verification required

when did the prude patrol invade /n/? first some weirdo crying about a woman in a bathing suit in the BQG and now someone mad about drinking alcohol ITT

>>2041747
back when we were unmoderated, there was a constant girls-on-bikes thread which was full of nudes

>>2041756
Maybe it's a new psyop since there's a push to ban porn and install snitch software on all the phones, they want to make it seem like a popular set of laws

>>2041728
y u so mean

>>2041765
i am sorry anon

>>2041215
how you pedal both at the same time?

>>2041857
I know this concept may sound foreign to you but I toured with a friend.

>>2041893
dont be a cunt, just say, the other bike was a friend’s.

>>2041893
how often did you stop to kiss eachother? on the lips

>>2032041
If you make a small detour through southern Styria on your way through Austria, you can have coffee or a cold beer at my place.

>>2041903
Every morning, after I polished his helmet and he applied my chamois butter, so I don't get sore from all the hard riding.
no homo though

how much liter capacity do you need for a full camping setup

>>2042052
I go with 2x750ml in the bottle mounts during the day.
When the first one is empty I start to think about where the next water source is.
In the evening, a few km before setting up camp, I fill a bladder with 5l for cooking and washing.

>>2042059
no i mean the capacity in bags if you were bikepacking and didn't have a rack to stack stuff on

>>2042061
I never needed more than 2 Ortlieb bags (so 40l) and a small frame bag for tools.
But I don't tour without a rack you can stuff things on. That's where I put my tent and foam pad.

>>2042052
Depends on how much shit you want to take with you and where you are going

If you just want a few snacks, essential tools, summer clothes, summer sleeping bag and ultralight tent for summer trip in a civilized place you'll probably fit that into 40 liters rear panniers although I would go for 60 since they aren't that much bigger and heavier while having +50% of space.

On the other hand if you want a camping stove with fuel, plenty of food, full set of tools, clothes for both cold and hot, warm sleeping bag, decently sized tent, decently large powerbank and full medkit for a long mountain trip with rare access to civilization you'll need at very least 100 liters, likely more that that you'll want set of both rear and front panniers, maybe a frame bag, add handlebar bag (you might want that regardless, it's great for quick access items) and put a tent on the rear rack in waterproof bag.

Asking here since you guys are used to carrying weight..

I'm 6'5" and 270lb.. I want to build a really sturdy 700c wheelset for my commuter bike. What should I be taking into account? Should I just look for a touring rim with a high spoke count and purchase heavy duty spokes or something?

>>2042121
36 spokes, wide tires and stop worrying.

>>2042123
i only started worrying after borking wheels. i also get pinch flats a lot, no matter what I do. maybe i'm retarded, but also maybe the advice given isn't coming from 300lb folks with actual experience.

>>2042121
6'3" 200 here, commuter bike but also gets loaded with $100 of groceries weekly.
I have an old set of Araya rims (aluminum) on 32 regular spokes. 32mm wide road tires.
having them properly tensioned and trued makes more of a difference than custom wheels, imo.

but if you are going to build a wheelset, Sunrim CR-18 are extremely good and actually pretty light (they're also pretty inexpensive.) I have another bike with them but also 32 spoke. you can get more, not a bad idea for your weight, but I'd regard the extra spokes as insurance, not a necessity. standard gauge spokes.

What are the largest, most durable tires I can get on my CTY 1.1? Yes I know I can google the literal size limit, but I still need brand suggestions.


Also no tubeless; regular tires will do. Thank you

Can someone redpill me on sweden, particularly up to the Kramfors area? I'm planning to go there from germany, perhaps take the ferry or have the train bring me over the bridge (I believe thats am option while cyclists and pedestrians arent welcome on the bridges).
Any experiences?

Sorry if this is too larp-y but I have a commuter e-bike and I want to do some longer rides/touring on it. I know it's not bikepacking and I'll be staying at hotels or similar along the way so I can recharge batteries and not have to carry too much stuff with me. I'd be taking what I can carry in two big pannier bags and a backpack, riding up to 100km per day.

My question here is, what should I be worried about breaking down on the road and stranding me? I have a spare chain and tire tube already, but do I need to worry about the brakes/casette/derailleur/other stuff? What repair tools/parts should I take with me besides an allen wrench set, the chain and tube?

>>2042406
Generally: Those things are reliable and do last. Worst case you'll end up either stuck in a gwar that gets you to the next LBS, or pushing, or abandoning bike to travel and get stuff. Of course, if you find yourself deep in the atacama desert you might think about bringing spares. But going of off what you said you want to do I guess you wont. And in that case: Those spares are bulky and weigh you down. You will find you haven't needed them in years. Do your maintenance in advance, for example replace a cable when it starts fraying and don't just wait for it to snap.
Most road side repairs concern your tires. Bring all tools you need to take the wheel out and tire off. Bring tubes and patches, regardless of tubeless or not. Bring a pump obviously. Dry run this to be sure you're not missing something.
Bring one of each length of spoke, with nipple and the key.
Consider replacing things on your bike with tool-less alternatives like seat post clamp.
Have a look at other fasteners on your bike, while you dont expect to fiddle with them you might find the need to. Are they all hex or torx? If not, check if its feasible to convert all fasteners to one system. Bring a small ratchet or one of those miniature breaker bars and a set of hits you specifically curated for your bike. There no pooint bringing a tool that doesnt drive any fastener on your bike.
Bring chain lube.
That's about it.
It is normal to be anxious and want to prepare for any situation imaginable. But you will sooj find those situations will remain imaginations and there is a vast gap between the things you felt you want to bring and those things you actually ever needed to use on the roadside.
So:
Tubes.
Spokes with nipples.
Tire lever.
Patch kit.
Tape.
Pump.
Wahtever tools are needed to release wheels.
If you want a curated mini toolset to deal with all remaining fasteners.

>>2042417
Excellent reply, thank you

>>2042417
nta but this was wonderful. tysm for going to indepth.

ebike posts go on the ebike board
>>>/o/

>>2042422
If I made the exact same post but said bike instead of e-bike would that prevent your seething

Why don't touring/bikepacking bikes ever have fenders, even small MTB ones? Do they like getting covered in filth?

>>2042427
yes, they do. next question.

>>2042423
well desu I >>2042417 was on the edge of saying something but sometimes I just like to not be abrasive.
Also I wanted to add I forgot the spoke key in the concluding list of things. No point bringing the spokes and nipples without that one. Also more often than not you'll find yourself using it to straighten a wheel or tension loose spokes than actually replacing spokes. Just dont sweat it, go out there and ride.

don't fall out

>>2041540
>scratched paint

Just picked up my new steed the other day, going to build it into a backcountry/backroad touring rig. Fishing and hunting trips too

>>2045905
>claris
>mech brakes
>QR
im sorry

also those bottle cages will probably interfere with a top tube bag if you will get one
and the front fork doesnt seem to have enough holes in it

>>2042052
Depends on your gear. My full winter hiking gear setup plus a few days food fits in a 35L bag which is pretty much the same stuff as a bike tour just minus a small tool bag. Seeing these world tourers with like 120L of bag space is crazy. Wtf so they have in there? It must be so heavy.

>>2041214
whats going on with the back bag there and how much does it weight
i need to strap a full 2 person tent some mat and maybe a sleeping bag somewhere on the bike in a smilar fashion to start doing overnights
currently my bike has no racks and nothing reasonable is available to me

I know it might be better to ask >>/out/ ut I feel at home on >>/n/ so, what do you guys do against ticks?

>>2046358
Keep in mind they carry everything they need to live for multiple years, not just to survive and keep moving.
Also, things to document and share their trip.
Laptop, drone, camera, lenses, batteries, solar cell...

>>2046504
That's a 3 person tent, around 4kg.
But it's not a feasible setup, the straps run through the bag, it doesn't hold for long, and it pushes against the rear cable.

If you want to bring a tent, just mount a proper rear rack.

>>2046520
nothing

>>2046520
I play the ground with vegetation is lava game

>>2046530
I take my hammock, scout out a nice place, push the bike there and before I get set up at least 5 are crawling on my legs already.
I then leave. I can't imagine I'll be sleeping knowing they're everywhere and coming for me.
So what do?

>>2046526
A credit card?

>>2034486
how do you sleep without a tent

>>2046631
?

>put sleeping pad on the ground
>put sleeping bag on top of it
>enter sleeping bag
>sleep

>>2046631
in a hammock
easy as
>inb4 no trees
literally takes 4 stakes and 2 sticks

>>2046757
impressive very impressive
what about rain and bugs though

>>2046763
>rain
find a place with a roof of sorts. depends on the country really. in the nordic countries you have tons of dedicated shelters, pic related. for most of central and western europe, cemeteries and churches are my go-top option. almost every single village in hungary for instance has its own cemetery, which often have a shed or a little building for funerals featuring a canopy. hiking shelters and observation towers are good. spain has a surprising amount of bird blinds which are amazing for spending the night. rural bus stops can work.

>bugs
not an issue. in the middle of summer mosquitoes can be rough i guess.

is this rack worth fucking with

>>2046793
idk adjustable legs make me go eww. one more thing that could fail

>>2046793
how bout a fucking name and price?
don't make people do the leg work if you want help.
Also not worth it, since it isn't a Tubus Cargo or Fly

I’m liking practicing on my Marin Fairfax 1(2024) but seeing how THICK and GIRTHY other anons bikes are has me worried. Is this bike even capable of long term bikepacking use or did I fuck up? It’s gonna have to carry 200 pounds of me, plus I assume 70 to 90 pounds of gear. All year. The site SAYS it’s rated for 300 total pounds, but I look at your bikes and they actually look like bikes that are supposed to go /out/ meanwhile im on something with skinny frame tubes and teeny tiny default road tires. Any advice changing this to a more gravely setup or am I fucked?


I already checked youtube and there’s like almost no videos for this bike model which is odd.

>>2046812
If the manufacturer says it's rated for 300 pounds, you're good. Go close to the max tire pressure printed on the sidewall, have someone check that your wheels are true, and make sure all bolts and nuts are tightened correctly. Bring extra spokes on your when you're that close to the weight limit.

>>2046815
thank god. I did get it tuned up and trued and wheels pumped to 80 psi and all. even put some nice 50 dollar usb lights on there. ok. so at least that’s done. Gonna try and walk 5 miles/10ksteps/day, lose some more weight so im not riding that limit so close.

>>2046797
decathlon special elops 900 idk

>>2046812
>QR
>Shitmano
>flat bars
Should’ve got an MTB dickhead, your hybridslop is useless for bikepacking.

Well shitfuck. Damn. Is there literally anything i can do? i definitely cant afford another bike .

>>2046832
shut up, hybrids are exactly the right bicycle for touring. When your bike is loaded, you won't ever ride trails that require a mountainbike anyway. All an MTB does on your is sap your power to make bike go bouncy.

>>2046846
I would worry a hybrid would have flimsy rims unless it was built as a dedicated commuter

>>2046846
I'm with this guy regarding (suspension) MTBs just sapping power for nothing. On top of that MTB handling and geometry would just suck ass.
>>2046847
Im with this guy when I look at what is mostly marketed as 'hybrids' today, they seem to be mostly identical to what many would call a 'fitness bike' and as such for light duty and 120kg system weight.
But choosing a MTB just because of the rims it usually comes with would be peak retard. Any god touring bike has decent wheels and if you're really into something you have too many preconceptions about the matter anyways to not go with a completely custom setup.
Oh unless you're like me and always on that one random bike you just happen to have.

>>2046850
honestly, bike type is overrated as hell anyway. You can mount fenders and racks on almost any bike. The most important thing is that the bike fits you well and isn't complete garbage.
I commute, shop and tour on a track bike, and it works well. Used to do it on a road bike with downtube shifters and did some easy trails on 23mm tires, too.
A bike is a bike.

>>2046854
I specifically chose a touring bike for peace of mind when im 100km away from home going down a rough back road with a full load of camping gear. Would just "any bike" be fine? Maybe, but I've ridden enough bikes to care about geometry at least, and I'd rather my bike be a little heavier than average so I don't have to worry about over stressing anything.

>>2046854
just that its most likely not a 'track bike' but a fixie fad bike.
No offense. I got two fixie fad bikes myself but you see, it begs the question:
What makes a 'track bike'?
Is it one that falls into the current UCI regulations for velodrome events? In that case your frame needs the sticker and the bike needs to satisfy various other requirements.
Then what about bikes older than the frame type approval meme? It would probably come down to the fact that they were legal in their respective time. But how about later reproductions of those bikes or even bikes that merely try to imitate the characteristics? Is a bike that is made today but wouldn't be allowed in a sanctioned event a 'track bike' really?
If you the only requirement was hat the bike in question was ridden on the velodrome it would, in my case, makw my IGH commuter and one of my fixies a 'track bike' but the other fixie not.
Honestly. The whole tarck hype is just gibberish in most cases. If youre currently competing and have a track bike for that. Then it's a track bike. I know no one to whom this applies who also uses their designated track bike on the road.
Else it's a fixie and people are just pushing the tarck meme hars because of the ideals or whatever that they associate with mostly the sprint event.
Which again is funny as fuck because you see so many people who are on fixies that mostly mimic 80s pursuit geometry and handling and adorn it with sprint bars. Such things.
It's just that I always foubd the term kinda weird in most cases where its used.
I'm 100% with your general sentiment. I tend to preach the 23mm tires work on dirt, as long as its dry and you dont come hot right into a deep patch of sand or loose gravel. Suspension is usually a meme because you either really need it for sports and have actual suspension. Or its just dead weight, makes the bike funny and wouldn't work in serious DH anyways.
Then again if you have the choice anyways: Get the right bike. It's better.

>>2046872
sir i have no idea what all that means im just trying to figure out if like one poster said i wasted 500 bucks or if another poster said, that guy was full of shit

the frame is aluminum and the fork is steel if that matters. no idea what kind of wheel, as opposed to tire, it is as it didnt come with an owners manual but i can buy more spokes if it wont be throwing money away

>>2046877
You havent wasted money. You have a bike now. Use it. You'll be amazed once you see what it can do for you and emboldened to do even more with it. Use it until it breaks (it wont). If you find your bicycles limits come back here and ask again with your specific problem. Easy as, right?
People are too worried about havibg the right tool and it paralyzes them.

>>2046872
It's a bike that was manufactured for track racing, and in its default configuration was legal to ride in a track race.
It had a fork with a pre-drilled and painted-over hole for caliper brakes, which I drilled out and mounted a front brake.
Then I mounted a rack using aluminium clamps, and reduced the gear ratio.
So currently, I couldn't ride it on the track. It's still fundamentally a track bike, since the geometry, wheelset, tires, handlebars, in short, everything that determines how it rides, is unchanged, and I could return it back to track-legal config in about 5 minutes.

>>2046877
you haven't wasted 500 bucks until your wheels actually get bent from touring, which they won't.
And even then, you still haven't wasted 500 bucks. Only if that happens, which again, it won't, you'd have to spend another 300 bucks or so to get a stronger wheelset.
Make sure your bike is in good shape, then head into the woods, and be surprised how much those "flimsy" wheels can take.

>>2046882
>>2046884

Based anons not letting me fall victim to doomer mindset. i will consoom some ortliebs and go

>>2046883
Good then it is a track bike but as I mentioned that is insanely rare and I so far knew zero people who would take their track bike on the streets. But I know plenty, including myself, who would or do take a decomissioned track bike out on the streets, usually since it fell victim to UCI. This set would IMO be the second best definition of what a track bike is.

Purchased a $50 junker steel frame 90s Avanti to do up for three months in Japan and jfc what happened to drivetrain components? Why is shit all so INSANELY expensive? I’m coming into bikepacking from a thru hiking background, so been years since I’ve looked at bike component prices. This shit is whack. Thousand dollar+ groupsets? wtf are these niggers smoking? And I see they are putting wireless electro battery junk on them too, Jesus wept. Even a basic Shimano Alivio setup is still fucking expensive by the time you add everything up. Almost makes me want to spend the extra money on a rohloff hub to never deal with a d*rallieur ever again.

>>2047365
building up a frame is $$$. you get the best deals buying complete bikes because the bike companies buy thousands of components and tires, cables, wheels and what have you, so they get a discount on all that stuff. buying stuff individually has a bunch of middlemen and they're all trying to get paid the most.

>>2047371
>>2047365
although if you can build your own wheels from individual hubs, spokes, and rims, you can save money that way assuming you want something beyond basic bitch wheels. building wheels, especially building them well, is labor intensive so if you do it in your free time you can potentially save.

>>2046764
Anon, I think I have read alot of (You)r posts and for a long time wanted to tell you I admire the attitude. I could never just pitch camp in a cementary or whatever. I'm always way too busy scouting out some piece of woodland one can't look into but thats not too thick either and pitch my hammock there, after checking for indicators of hunting activity. Usually I will then discover the place I chose is tick infested. I just dont want anyone, passersby, forester, hunter, land owner, farmer or police to wake me up and ask me what I am doing and that I cant be here and should move on etc.
I need more of that 0 fucks energy you have.
I think I recognize you and the trips you posted about. Inspirational stuff.

>>2047365
you don't buy groupsets whole and new. Better to buy a used bike and upgrade it with used parts. The value loss of used components is insane.

>>2047365
>entire groupset costs $1000
>wtf??? now I have to buy a $1700 hub!!!

>>2048174
By the time you throw in a few broken derailleurs, replacement chain rings, time spent cursing the fucking thing re aligning, constantly cleaning it and picking shit out of it, IGHs that just werk and need a 5 minute oil change every now and then are looking very competitive indeed.

>>2046836
>>2046812
marin bikes are based so it's probably fine for shorter trips but if you wanted to stay out for months should've gone with a typical surly type build
and cyclists are usually around 60kgs